Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • hendrixfreak
    Joined:
    Earliest memories of music...

    My folks had a vintage turntable and a large speaker encased in a piece of furniture my dad nicknamed "Lenin's Tomb." Shoebox shape, they had lamps on it. This is circa 1962. They had some classical albums, but it was the soundtracks to Broadway shows that I liked most, due to the catchy melodies. I remember Camelot among them. Also Herb Alpert. When the Beatles hit around 1964, I was six going on seven and the grocery store had bins at checkout with the first Beatles album. I begged my mom to buy it for me (even though we were taught to not want things - parents grew up in the Depression), $1.98 I seem to recall. At home, I put the sacred record on the turntable and put the volume low (a) to not bother anyone, but (b) also because this was powerful, radical stuff and I felt conspicuous for getting excited over it. Then I'd sit by Lenin's Tomb and quietly rock out.

    A year or so later, they started coming out with handheld transistor radios and a Washington's Birthday sale had 'em for like $10. Again, I begged! I would hide it under my pillow when it was bedtime and sit up listening to AM radio stations out of NYC, dominated by Beatles and Stones but also Ray Charles, Temptations, Motown, Aretha -- the works.

    By around '71 (now age 13) the Chambers Brothers were playing nearby and I got my mom to drive me to the show with two friends and pick us up afterwards. The Brothers played "Time" and other hits and I was hooked on live music. I later found out that Duane and the ABB had played there around the same time, but they were not on AM radio and I had yet to delve seriously. (Opportunity lost, like missing 6-10-73!)

    Although, my entree to the blues (my real home) was looking at the credits on Beatles and Rolling Stones albums. I could understand credits like Jagger-Richards or Lennon-McCartney, but "McKinley Morganfield"? "Chester Burnett"?? Well, I figured it out and by age 14 was mixing my purchases between transient pop of the day with Chess records.

    The following year, one month after turning 15, I went to my first GD show and, man, it was like some kinda crazy carnival that I marveled at but didn't quite get. Everyone seemed to be in such a strange mood... I knew drugs were involved (older brother) but was yet to be "experienced." (I think spring '73 began my "experienced" years -- hey, that's 50 years ago coming up!) As I've said before, after a couple hours of loud rock 'n roll by the Dead, I was good to go home, but the band kept playing and playing!! Good early training. Eventually, I caught on.

    Like most of my posts, perhaps TMI. But it's Sunday morning and the coffee (w/Jameson) is good. Cheers!

  • daverock
    Joined:
    Dylan on The Dead

    Excellent article on The Dead in Bob Dylan's recent book "The Philosophy of Modern Song". It's nominally about "Truckin'" but it also touches on why the Dead were a dance band rather than a rock band, and touches on the players various styles. If you want to know how different women looked from the stage when playing with The Stones and The Dead, he tells you that, too. He may not tell you anything you don't already know, but I have rarely seen it put so well.

    Regarding the actual song, "The guy singing the song acts and talks like who he is, and not the way others would want him to talk and act." Way to go.

    MR ONES - yes, both Live+ and Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop are top drawer. I think it was the way he played that was so magical, irrespective of the song or musical form he chose to unleash it in.

    Deadfeati - that is quite something, seeing Gene Krupa live. I wouldn't think there are many around now who could lay claim to that.

  • Vguy72
    Joined:
    I enjoy and appreciate a few things in life....

    ....but music is tops.
    Chicken noodle soup is currently second because I'm eating some.
    My Charger friends are awfully silent. Except one, who is asking for the coaches head on a stake.
    There's always one.

  • proudfoot
    Joined:
    Recommended cinema

    The Banshees of Inishiren

    Heavy flick

  • proudfoot
    Joined:
    Sportskickindanads

    Seahawks lose (no shock)

    Chargers blow 27 point lead

    Rrrrrright in the tenders

    Thats a looong flight home

  • Mr. Ones
    Joined:
    Jeff Beck/Music is Life

    Fantastic comments from everyone on here. Regarding Jef Beck, I always favored the trio of albums beginning with Blow By Blow thru Live with Jan Hammer Group. Of course, there are many, many more excellent releases, Who Else, mentioned by DAVEROCK, Live +, and Jeff Beck’s Guitar Shop to name just 3. As far as songs, I HAVE to put in a good word for ‘Cause We’ve Ended As Lovers, a killer cover of a great Stevie Wonder song, Led Boots, Diamond Dust and Big Block. Too many really, to choose just a handful.
    This will probably come as no surprise to anyone when I talk about how much I love music and what it means to me. I guess the shortest way to put it, is that life before the Beatles was black & white. After the Beatles, my life went full technicolor, without doubt.
    I can get goose bumps just from a well placed chord, a vocal harmony, or a well written lyric.
    I don’t believe life for me, would be worth living without music. I feel blessed.

  • Vguy72
    Joined:
    Better late....

    ....than never deadfeat.

  • deadfeat1
    Joined:
    Gene Krupa and 1/5/79

    I'm always a little late here, but here goes...

    I saw Gene Krupa when I was about eleven years old. Was with my family on one of our trips to the New York's World Fair. We were walking around at night and stumbled upon Krupa playing at the Metropole Cafe. Stood in the doorway and watched him pound it out. All I can say is wow - one of my all time favorite musical memories...

    1/5/79 - The Spectrum - I remember that a good time was had by all and it snowed - only audience tapes of the show as far as I know

    Last five-ish - The Dead - Closing of Winterland - What a fine performance and excellent recording!
    Still listening to Dave's 43 and 44
    Working my way thru In and Out of the Garden -
    Non Dead - The Kinks - On the Road
    Hendrix - Groovy Children
    Africa 2 - A compilation that came highly recommended, but was somewhat redundant for my tastes -
    good dance grooves though
    Melissa Aldana - 12 Stars
    Tom Petty - Live at the Fillmore

    Still in a sipping, not chugging listening style...

    Be well and enjoy the music!

    And of course playing homage to Jeff Beck listening to a variety of his recordings - Always liked Beck-Ola

  • Vguy72
    Joined:
    Susan Tedeschi and Derek Trucks....

    .... are going to perform the national anthem at tonight's Jags/Chargers game. Pretty cool.
    Shakedown Street going into commercial during the Seahawks/Niners game!
    I bet Fox plays some Phish too.

  • Dennis
    Joined:
    HF - Life without Music

    Harry Chapin sums it up best

    Old friends, they mean much more to me than the new friends,
    Cause they can see where you are,
    And they know where you've been.
    Music, has been my oldest friend, my fiercest foe,
    Cause it can take me so high,
    (High...) Yes it can make me so low.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

3 years 6 months
user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

In reply to by proudfoot

Permalink

....methinks all of us agree.
Edit.
Baby Blue encore. 😁

I didn't realize the cause..

Canada is exporting unwanted snow and weaponizing terrible storm systems the likes of Alberta Clippers and Polar Vortexes, then unleashing them here in the US.

I'm going to build a wall to keep this unwanted activity out. It seems they are only exporting their bad weather, so they have extra time to blow leaves and have fall and early spring lakefront picnics. Who's with me?

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months
Permalink

dmcvt - you mentioned the Euro 72 shows. The run can be found on Spotify.

user picture

Member for

10 years 8 months
Permalink

When I met the cat in a liquor store parking lot in October I thought I detected a certain level of je ne sais quoi -- which, in French, literally means "this guy is %$@#! nuts! -- and just so you know, my dad grew up in Rochester and I was born in Manhattan. So's I KNOW New Yawk...

And folks, Vguy's fingers do the talking... when I met the man at the Rocks this past summer, he smiled, he cackled, he shared a doob, he fist-bumped at least a dozen people, then I had to chase him down. Imagine you're at Red Rocks, it's packed with people, and you're running up a set of stairs yelling "VGUY! IT'S ME, HENDRIXFREAK"! (Not exactly "Hey Bob, it's Joe"...) Well I got a few looks... But thinking back, Vguy said little. (I must have been babbling, especially after a couple tokes...) And I knew I had to make it to the other side of the amphitheater to hunt down Nappyrags before the TTB came on stage, so we had little time. Anyway, in print, the man is downright loquacious! (Points? Do I get points for weaving in "loquacious"?)

Anyhoo, couldn't sleep past 4:11 am this morning (why couldn't it have been 420??), so I turned on a light and read to the end of a killer book: Bob Dylan: On a Couch & Fifty Cents a Day by Peter McKenzie, whose mom and dad took in Dylan in summer '61. Dylan slept on their couch for months and made a few still unheard tapes while a guest. The "Dylan People" -- meaning those who crave every taped burp and fart -- are going wild over this news.

Anyway, I just rec'd the John Mayall box set of his first 10 years in the biz -- 35 CDs and a hardcover book priced at $350 (tempted but of course no go), but a friend tipped me off that a discount house had a limited number for sale for $80! How fast could I press the "Spend" button??? Anyway, someone caught Mayall and his band at Klook's Kleek in London in December '64 and the tape is freakin' well made, you can hear every detail of each drum component, guitar, vocal, harp, sax, organ and even bass. Between that box and the Dylan '66 box, I've got something to do between now and spring.

And only one cup of joe so far................ And Jim, no need for a northern wall -- the Canadians have seen quite enough these past six years; no Canadian wants in, thus they send the snow. Mmmm, craving a doughnut right now...

Well.. that made me chuckle. A sincere apology to our Northern friends and neighbors.

I think it was Garcia who commented in an interview something to the effect ...the music thing is a just a ruse, we're in this for the comedy... There is a comedian named Jerry Garcia from Southern California. I'm guessing the other Jerry would approve.

And we Western New Yaawwkers prefer to be called “Southern Canadian” to disassociate ourselves from the aaa, “other NY” lol.
Oh, and the accent, often hard to pinpoint, is a Great Lakes accent, similar to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee etc
Dooooooaaaaanuuttsss, did someone say donuts?
Horts eh!

user picture

Member for

10 years
Permalink

First we sent the Americans William Shatner. Then Justin Bieber. Still not enough.
Now…the snow. The Snow! (Maniacal Laughter!). Bury Hamburg! Swamp Orchard Park! Buffalo, a winter deluge! (More maniacal laughter)

PS - Please return Shania Twain. Still hot.

Oh, the horror!

I'm doubling down on my building a wall idea. We need to encapsulate the whole country in a giant glass bubble. Before you laugh.. this has been done before with much success (1), and... we cannot take the risk for another Beib infecting our already challenged gene pool.

(1) Source: The Simpsons Movie

# Deport Justin Bieber

How does any of this tie into the GD? During Homers Beer Detox episode, Homer is shown shackled to chair listening to the album "Long Strange Trip To Shelbyville" where he listens to Shakedown Street for three days as a detox technique lamenting, "and they're only on the second verse"

Just squeezed in a shortie listen to 7/9/89 Giants Stadium. The sequence from Brown Eyed Women through I Know You Rider gets me every time. Recommended summer show from an under rated box that will help thaw the ice that might be building up in your joints. If that doesn't work I hear it was blistering hot out when the GD joined Willie at 7/1/78, Arrowhead Stadium.

Ok, I'm done for the day, back to more thoughtful posters and more insightful analyses of music, culture and all things Grateful Dead.

Edit:
Deescalation - I just found this out. In 2003 Homer Simpson was made an honorary citizen of Winnipeg, Canada. Call it even?

With all the talk about the road trips releases, I decided to play the 71 Austin show in my car last night. This morning on my way to the grocery store the Not Fade Away jam is playing. Since it’s in the middle of the song I decided to hit rewind. Nothing happens. So, I keep pushing rewind. Still nothing. WTF? It turns out that they are playing the same song on Sirius.

user picture

Member for

10 years 8 months
Permalink

Did you say "seal Canada under a giant GAS bubble"??

I'm down with deporting Beiber but NOT Shania Twain, Neil Young or Joni Mitchell.

So, That Mike (didn't realize you're Canadian, hope I haven't written anything offensive, YET), I propose to send one thousand donuts and Justin Beiber and we SWEAR we won't be on your doorstep begging for citizenship anytime in the next (oh boy, this is dicey), say, 6-12 months? If you need a sweetner, ha ha, we'll make 'em glazed donuts.

Just so you know, offering donuts to Canadians would be roughly akin to offering thousands of pizzas to Americans -- insulting? yes! cliched? yes yes! stupid? hey, it's HF!

As for GD content, boy that was some band, huh?

So goes another beautiful Sunday with blue skies on the banana belt (front range of Colorado), so I think I'll get tokin' , crack a beer and play some gee-tar -- how 'bout the traditional version of "Cocaine Blues"?

Cocaine for horses, not for men
Doctor say it'll kill me but he don't say when
Cocaine, all around my brain....

At least that's true about 25 years ago when I slipped its grip and inadvertently entered the "Opioid Years," but that's a whole 'nother story......

....yeah. Best not to dwell on that.
Just like I don't like to bring up my meth years. Boooo.
2002-2004 are years I'm not proud of.
A very evil drug.
My wife and I dug in hard regarding that crap and almost cost us our marriage.
But we turned it around.
Don't. Do. It.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

11 years 2 months

In reply to by Vguy72

Permalink

Hi MaryE, hoping you can help, I received my shipping notice with a tracking number on Oct. 27th. The shipping number has yet to show anything and I haven’t received my Daves 44. It’s not international, I live in Massachusetts…..Any other Massachusetts folks not get theirs?

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

In reply to by annalee10

Permalink

You said your first show was 4 19 82?

Impressive

I am listening to it at the tail end of a GD bender.

I am at the point where I KNOW I gotta put 'em aside for a bit

:(((

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

In reply to by proudfoot

Permalink

Yep.. first show. Very limited exposure to the GD prior to the mind warp we experienced that night, a single listen to Terrapin Station plus the usual radio songs. They played Terrapin right when things started to get weird. Then that Raven Space pushed us over the edge. To Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite.

Good clean fun, oh.. and it had a Cumberland. A scary fun time was had by all.

Speaking of the Terrapins... they almost pulled it off yesterday. The Dead played on campus at Cole Field House on 3/7/81, the show just before the MSG shows that kick off the Garden Box Set. Surprisingly, they did not play Terrapin Station nor Cumberland Blues at this show, the two (sort of) MD themed songs in their cannon.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

10 years 6 months

In reply to by annalee10

Permalink

Still missing mine in MD. My tracking number never worked. Something funny's going on. I'm guessing it was a warehouse issue. Customer service has been unresponsive.

Oh, and the two recent upgrades of 5/1169 and 12/19/69 making the rounds absolutely smoke. Fans of Dave's 43 - and who wasn't? - would be wise to seek them out.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

10 years 6 months

In reply to by Angry Jack Straw

Permalink

AJS, the universe was telling you something. Use the numbers from that release for your next powerball ticket.

Road Trips 4
Volume 3
Month 11
Date 15
Year 71
Tune # 21

But if you win, you have to split the proceeds.

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

send me a PM with the details and I'll see what the Doc can discover.
user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

In reply to by lebowski99

Permalink

as I go into a "no GD for a while" phase, I have the following on the "last 5" list

Melvins: Nude with Boots
Stalag 13: In Control
Kraftwerk: Tour De France
Kraftwerk: Europe Endless
Nazareth: Hair of the Dog

my recent GD bender:
7/6/84
7/4/84
5/6/80 RT
5/7/80 RT
4/18/82
4/19/82
11/13/72
11/14/72
11/15/72
10/30/72
9/14/78
9/15/78

user picture

Member for

12 years 1 month

In reply to by lebowski99

Permalink

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I don't play the lottery.

I have an understanding with the manager of the convenience store. Whenever there is a long line of people (invariably either purchasing or checking their lottery numbers), I just walk out with my morning coffee. Of course I square up the next time I visit.

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

In reply to by proudfoot

Permalink

Stretching, don’t forget to stretch before and after, don’t wanna pull any muscles!
I always seem to get burned out on Dead at the end of the year.
Good thing Xmass music is the ultimate cleanse lol.

Hey, how’s the Covid treating you? Hope your better!

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

11 years 2 months

In reply to by marye

Permalink

I tried to pm you, when I hit save it says can’t send message as thread has been deleted. You asked for details- I was sent a shipping notice onOct 27th, tracking has never showed anything. Customer service never responded to me( no surprise). I would appreciate some help, thanks!

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months
Permalink

Vguy, I just read your comment about "the opioid years". Sorry to hear you went through that buddy.

To all: A very close friend of mine lost his entire bank account buying Percocet off the street. Half his problem was he didn't know where to go for help and once he was hooked he could not get off them without the sort of withdrawal pain that is depicted in Trainspotting. It's no different than heroin.

If you know anybody with this problem, seek out a doctor who prescribes Suboxone. It sits on the opioid receptors but does not make you high like methadone, so you can very easily replace an expensive habit with something therapeutic and easy without feeling like s***. Suboxone is buprenorphine coupled with another drug called naloxone, which will not allow you to fall off the wagon on a moment's notice. The naloxone will cause someone to go into a state called "forced withdrawal", which basically puts you straight into opioid withdrawal, so it would be crazy to do it. You would need to plan a 3-day detox from Suboxone to get high off of an opioid. That takes the weak moment of random opportunity, stress, or peer pressure out of the picture. I don't know why they don't advertise this medication, particularly during this huge social opioid crisis that's going on, so I wanted to pass on the info. Maybe it'll help somebody you know out there.

user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

MaryE is going to need your order number……

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

In reply to by adedhed68

Permalink

I feel fine
Actually went back to work today

Only two days of Covid misery in all. I am lucky.

Not sure I can stretch things out with GD. When I get on a bender, I get on a bender.

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months

In reply to by KeithFan2112

Permalink

Just a quick one -that drug is useful in reversing the effects of an opiate overdose. Hopefully it's available to users and their families -it's a potential life saver. That, or something similar, used to be prescribed in the UK after someone had detoxed, so if that they used again they would go into immediate withdrawal. Not too popular, I have to say.

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

In reply to by daverock

Permalink

PF, I was trying to make a joke about how hard you were binging, so like an athlete I was suggesting you do some stretching so as not to pull a muscle or something ; ) Obviously the joke didn’t work ; )
Glad your feeling better!!

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months
Permalink

Still no sighting of DP44 in the UK for this viewer….

Lots of crazy UPS back and forth from US and to UK International “senders” (from 04-11 to 14-11) and not a lot else…

Slightly odd. Any ideas anyone?

user picture

Member for

12 years 2 months

In reply to by JimInMD

Permalink

I attended this show with the group of people that I usually went to shows with back in the day and one person who had never seen the Dead before. After the show the prevailing opinion amongst the group was "a good show but the band seemed a little run down". The first timer said "it was the BEST concert he had ever seen by any band" and repeatedly expressed that thought during the entire trip home. Thinking back it makes me realize how we kind of took things for granted back then, like there will always be another show or another tour to go see. Glad we have the opportunity to relive some of those times through the shows we can purchase and the thoughts of the members here.

user picture

Member for

12 years 1 month

In reply to by Doingtheneedful

Permalink

Quite a few of us have had delivery problems with this release.

I suggest the following (which is what I did):

- Contact Marye via PM with your order information.

- Replay either DaP43 or Road Trips Austin 71

While it may be good, ain't nothing on DaP44 that will come close to the level of playing on those two releases.

You can also go watch the World Cup.

Sorry for your troubles.

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

In reply to by delhead

Permalink

Plenty good to me.

Deadheads
Deadheads
Picky picky Deadheads

If your buds said that 3/9/81 and 3/10/81 were also "a little run down"...time to jettison those guys.

user picture

Member for

10 years 4 months
Permalink

Hey Nitecat, Ed Martin says, "I'm late. I'm in the weeds, but I'm working on it. Fingers crossed that I can pull it off this year!"

Always great picks, and his commentary is mighty fine too. Fingers crossed. . .

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

something seems to be haywire with the PMs all right; I've reported this. Stay tuned...
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

5 years 2 months

In reply to by Doingtheneedful

Permalink

I'm in exactly the same situation as you, Doingtheneedful - UPS tracking status the same as yours (loads of US/UK international carrier departure/arrival dates, nothing since 14 November).

I received my initial 'on its way' e-mail from the Grateful Dead Store on 22 October, so this is the longest wait of any Dave's Picks subscription (and I've subscribed to all 11 years).

Starting to get worried on this one, especially if Customer Services are proving unresponsive about non-delivery.

I think I saw Colin Gould in the UK said his DP44 arrived last week, so one/some have got through.

user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Thanks for the update on 31 unofficial days. Let me know if you see where it is.

Neil Young is doing a three night theater run of his 1971 documentary about the making of "harvest" in early December.

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months
Permalink

No sooner than spoken, who should appear? But five travelling bards and their bellowing good cheer…

In other words it was on my porch floor when I got home this evening.

Usually the way… It definitely took a little longer this time, but then I recall being mostly pleasantly surprised by how rapidly other shows arrived.

Thanks as always to the Dave’s’ crew, and hopefully a fillip for anyone else over these waters still in expectation.

Take care all.

xxx

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months
Permalink

Received here ok in the U.K. a few days ago. Mind you, a t shirt I bought from dead net store has somehow been posted via the U.S. to London Heathrow and has disappeared again for two weeks only for it to be, according to USPS, on its way to its final destination (i.e. me in Nottingham) via Korea! Go figure. I guess it’s lost.

user picture

Member for

7 years 3 months
Permalink

I just have to publicly thank Marye for correcting a serious issue with my latest order. She’s toppermost of the poppermost!!

Decided to dig into RT’s Penn St./Cornell May 1980. What could possibly go wrong??

I just also want to say that in these sometimes horrific times, I would like to wish my American friends a safe, healthy, and Happy Thanksgiving Holiday. To the North & East, best wishes to all, we need to take care of each other, now more than ever. I much appreciate the feedback coming from Canada & Europe!!

Music is (still) the Best!!

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

In reply to by Mr. Ones

Permalink

....in Australia, and Rich Robinson decided to let him meet the foot of his guitar.
Good on you Rich. Hope you broke his jaw. Same thing happened at a Maiden concert.
You will never regret being kind 👍
Some people suck man.
Let the music play. No one cares if you get your stupid likes.
Gen X checking in. Get off my browser.

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

In reply to by delhead

Permalink

An interesting show.

Performances being equal, I find myself liking shows where the recording / sound is great and not liking shows where the sound is subpar, again performances being more or less equal. This is probably normal.. like when a terrific recording suddenly appears and a show we thought was meh becomes a classic.

My dad used to take me to Cole Field House in the mid 70's to see the Terps play. It was loud, the acoustics boomy, full of reverb and echos. I have a soundboard of that 81 show (supposedly) and it sounds like a boomy audience tape. They just can't seem to work out the sound demons.

I can only assume the acoustics played a role in how you all perceived the show and your buddy had nothing to measure it against.

Back to your buddy that raved about the show the whole way home, great story.. but I have to ask, which one of you dosed the poor soul and did you drop him off in his front yard wearing nothing but a wrist watch? Just curious. A tip of the glass to the next pole guy.

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months

In reply to by Mr. Ones

Permalink

I'd also like to thank Marye and the mysterious Doc for sorting out a problem I had with an order recently. Reassuring for future orders - of which I am sure there will be many.

Wait Jim, were you there? Thought no one knew about that...

The first timer's frame of reference was he had seen the Police a few days earlier. Having never seen the Police myself I don't know how they compared to the Dead and if that influenced his opinion.

user picture

Member for

6 years 8 months
Permalink

Thanks to those folks in the UK posting about the arrival of DaP 44. In the beforetimes, my Dave's Picks would promptly arrive two weeks after the shipping notice. Now they take an indeterminate 5-7 weeks, and I usually get them a few days after the European crew. So news of their landing overseas eases my mind. If I can only can manage patience for another week or so. (I'll occupy my time by re-listening to days 5 and 7 of 30Days.)

product sku
081227881580
Product Magento URL
https://store.dead.net/en/grateful-dead-1/daves-picks-vol.-44-autzen-stadium-eugene-or-62390/081227881580.html