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  • daverock
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    PT - thanks for you post. I know quite a few people with very strong opinions, though - I listened to someone ranting and raving about Boris Johnson only yesterday. Would that be a suitable thing to post about? God help us if it is ! The last demonstration I went on was only last month, too - but again - I don't see this as a platform for going on about it.

    Oro...well. Surely there is a difference between someone discussing non Dead related music on here as opposed to venting their political angst. I have discovered all sorts of bands and musicians on here that I would never otherwise have come across. John Coltrane's "Ascension" was the last one. But if you feel like puking, then that's okay with me. Hawkwind apparently used to provoke it in the unwary,with their use of lasers and lights around the time of "Silver Machine". So you would be in good company - hey...over there, though.

    Ist show - good man - cheers. Definitely more 1978! I gave the bonus disc of the From Egypt With Love shows a spin last night - great stuff.

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    ....that there would be backlash. But everything I said was true. Is this primarily a music related forum? Yes. Do we also talk about a myriad of other topics. A resounding yes.
    If some of you were "offended" in some way, believe me. That was not my intent. Im just being honest. The last five years has put a definite strain on what is considered American democracy and the rift is growing wider in my opinion. Prior to then, I rarely payed attention to politics at all. But things have changed. I have lost friends and family over this shit. My workplace got toxic after 1/6. Some thought is was "funny" and approved of it. And all because some narcissistic egomaniac is a sore loser. It baffles my mind. Not everything is sunflowers and patchouli oil. Just my two cents. Take it for what you will. And my timing for going there is on point.
    And yes, Gainesville would be welcome.

  • Strang3stofplaces
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    Just cause I don't post often here doesn't give me any less of a right to complain. The internet is a seemingly endless place, and there are probably better places to get out the vote than on a forum for Dave's Picks 44. I didn't say you can't talk about it, and if you want to talk about anything go ahead with it. But jeez, I just come here to discuss Dave's 44, or the series as a whole, or whatever the topic is and that is just so damn rarely what's being discussed. If you want to promote the political right of voting, go out and do that, however you'd like. If this is the preferred place for it, sucks for me and all the people who'd like to confine it to the band and the music, don't it? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, but you don't go into a church talking about quantum physics or NASA talking about how God is the reason the space shuttle landed on the moon. All I'm saying there.

    That being said, late 72 would be great, as late as possible with that NYE show being particularly hot.

    And don't mistake my words as being aggressive, although they may be charged.

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    What aaaaabout Gainesville?

    It’s been 36 picks since the last 1980 show. 24 since 81, and 20 since he decided a 72 DaP.

    Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
    (First #) = Year:
    (2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
    (3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
    (4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

    80: 1 / 36 / #8
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    81: 1 / 24 / #20
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    72: 3 / 20 / #24
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    71: 3 / 18 / #26
    76: 3 / 16 / #28
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    70: 2 / 14 / #30
    79: 1 / 13 / #31
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    84: 1 / 9 / #35 (1+)
    87: 1(2) / 8 / #36 (2)
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    78: 4 / 7 / #37
    73: 5 / 6 / #38 (1+)
    83: 2 / 5 / #39
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    77: 6 / 3 / #41
    74: 6 / 2 / #42 (1+)
    69: 3 / 1 /#43 (2)
    90: 2(3) / - / #44
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    No Picks from:
    66-68, 75
    82, 85, 86,
    88, 89, 91-95

  • PT Barnum
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    I don't want to piss anyone off but

    for someone who doesn't comment much on these boards, you sure got a lot to say about what we can talk about here. NO censorship means just that, NO, so if you want to talk fishin' I guess that will be ok. I think Jerry stated that the political stuff is what was f**ked up about the 60's so now they might be a bit more political, I mean you never saw Jerry holding a blue or God forbid a red vote sign. The remaining members sans Phil have been a lot more vocal about voting and being political. All good, there are a lot of Deadheads and getting the word out about voting is ok in my book.
    As far as the next pick, some late 72 would be just fine Dave, thanks. Or some more 1980 Gainesville would be nice too.

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    Nuratlee, I will search…

    Stangestofplaces. Glad you understand,just trying to be informative.
    I can certainly understand if you don’t like it, just seems like often there are folks who don’t understand the limitations involved and thus feel the team derelict in some way. I think they usually do a great job with what they have to work with. I mean even with all the inherent idiosyncrasies, all things considered I think they sound pretty dern good!
    I just wish they’d release more multis!
    Smithers release the…

    EDIT: HF, dig the new shades!
    The kids are fine and hopefully will be on their way back home on Wednesday…

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    Check PMs. Thx
    Cheers

    For DaP 45: More '78 please, and thank you.

  • Strang3stofplaces
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    Grateful Dead being a political band

    Just to clarify my thoughts on this, they definitely were political, certainly not to the tune of endorsing a political party or another, but think about 5/6/70, free concert held at MIT after Kent State or the whole save the rainforest campaign in the late 80s. Being political does not solely confine itself to the nature of voting. Regardless, this forum is literally for discussing the music and not to serve the purpose of being a digital stump speech. So please, start another website or forum somewhere else if that's what you want to get your rocks off on. I very rarely have posted here but often check em out to see what might be being discussed, i.e. the music, and it is increasingly rare that that is the topic at the moment. To transition to that, how about this? What are some the hopes for the next Dave's? Due to be announced with the almanac in the next week or so. Personally, I'm hoping 46 will be 6/10/73 (arguably the best setlist ever) with a bonus disc of 6/9/73.

    And orobouros, thanks for the clarification on the mix levels being due to the 2 track source, and I definitely get the whole first song not usually being reflective of the levels of the whole show.

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    It would be great isn't it?? I don't know if this means everything can be a "multi-track" recording now?

    There are several interviews about this floating out there. Try searching for "Peter Jackson Beatles Get Back Interview" and "Giles Martin Beatles Revolver interview". They should talk about this technology in those interviews. Enjoy!

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    Fascinating!
    Never heard of this, do you know offhand where we could learn more?
    Sounds like prime geek feast!
    That certainly could be a game changer.

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....been slacking, so I decided on GD 6.22.73 Vancouver. It's fours discs. One for each bedroom.
Regarding vax-deniers. Yeah. I have a strong opinion regarding them. My body my choice, unless it's regarding abortions, then "how dare you!"
Lame.
There is a reason there wasn't a red wave. Conservatives are out of touch and want it to be the 50's again.
Not happening. Maybe put forth some legislation that helps the younger generation. Stuff other than "owning the libs" and "these books are toxic" and "go woke go broke" and "religion ahead of politics" and "liberals are grooming your kids to become gay."
Some guy in Texas put forth a bill banning social media to people under 18 years old ffs. How do you plan to enforce that?
Smaller government my ass.
I could go on and on and on.
My political post of the month.

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Get scored on by Saad while CO has a power play.
Sad alright. Then they waste the rest of the PP.
Then a quick goal to even it up. Where was that for 3 periods?
OT. Better put on some Dead for luck.
My STL buddy will never let me live it down.
Cheers
Oh, and the Donkeys are getting their clock cleaned by KC. Maybe next year already.

Metallica albums 2, 3, 4 please
Megadeth whatever I have heard so far

mix 'em up into one big pan of specialized brownies with vanilla frosting, give me a glass of milk, and lemme rock. (get it? get it? "Lemmy" rock? HAHAHAHAHA!!) Ha....

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Just because.

Paul Weller-Wild Wood
Paul Weller-Paul Weller
Chrome Universal-A Survey Of Modern Pedal Steel
Kantner/Starship-Blows Against The Empire
REM Live-2-disc set from 2007

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Give 9/6/80 a listen. Hot.

Any of you esteemed folks have the good fortune of having attended?

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Lewiston? You bet, my friends and I were there for this very very fine show. End of summer, outdoors, Maine, other fine musicians (if I recall correctly, Levon Helm and Roy Buchanon), and our heros, the Grateful Dead. Big fun!!! Looking back over 22 years of going to shows, this one was one of the most enjoyable........

At the time, it seemed like a very long show. So-so soundboards of the first set have circulated for a long, long time, never run across top notch soundboards of the whole show. It would make a very nice nice official release some day!

Every day that is born into the world comes like a burst of music and rings the whole day through, and you make of it a dance, a dirge, or a life march, as you will......

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My final Dead concert, indeed a very fine one, outdoors on a very warm late summer day. We were down front for a while, local friends worked as security for the show, shout out to Dave A. The atmosphere was fantastic, a long lovely afternoon into evening event, we were practically weeping with joy. A little like the Dead were playing in my back yard. Also my farewell to Maine, moved to Vermont right after. The so called state fairgrounds was a harness racing track, about to become obsolete because of Scarborough Downs. Knew Lewiston well, years as a student at Bates in the early 70s, a fair share of that at Lou's Place, the pub just next door to the track. Makes me smile to know that Doc11, whom I have never met was at this event and as well, Doc ran around this very area I inhabit now many moons ago while he was at Dartmouth. Fresh snow yesterday Doc, hope its not too hot down there in FL.

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Your final GD show?

After Lewiston, I would have gone to a few others. But I don't know your whole story.

Anyway...September 6, 1980. A date that will live in utter joy.

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Jam after Alligator. Sixtus put me on this one a while back. Good call.

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A Winter land 1977/1978 box set is a possibility. There are shows from March and December for 1977 and shows from October 1978. They could combine both years, good shows.

Hard to say exactly why, Proudfoot, fell off the bus after I moved in 1980. The repertoire had changed, the jams not as compelling to me. Deep into jazz, a different vibe, what was happening with Jerry and shakedown scene was concerning, etc. People in the music business told crazy stories familiar by now. The death of Lowell George in 1979 had hit too close to home, more than I can say. Who knew George would show up on Gomer Pyle a couple days after the release of the Dead's first album? Eventually the early Dicks Picks brought me back on. One toe in that water, next thing I knew... and now, BTK has me thinking Winterland... setting the wayback machine for March 18, 1967, it runs fast, Bobby sounds so young, up front... Smokestack, Viola, lots of Pig, so primal.

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Like everyone else here, Lewiston would make a GRATE official release.

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This is a cool show that would make a great release. It has version of the Golden Road, not many of those out there.

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Sorry about your boy, Eichel. That was a bad trade.

Lewiston. What a great show. One of the first tapes I ever had. Right after Cornell. Maine is probably my favorite state to see a show. Never had a bad time there.

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....lower body injury. He'll be back. But yeah. The injuries in general are piling up. Went to the game against the Flyers Friday.
And the Dolphins continue to Dolphin. To say I've seen this movie before is an understatement.
100% behind an official Lewiston release. Grate show. Long too.

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I used to have a hissy tape of this show back in the day. Hopefully it wouldn't put them off releasing shows of this vintage if they had them, but in less than optimum sound quality. Hopefully it wouldn't put people off buying them too. Golden Road is right.

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3-18-67 is in the Vault in outstanding sound quality, based on The Same Thing by Pig from that show released on the 5-disc So Many Roads box.

What would be so wrong about releasing 3-18-67 (87 minutes) and a fall '67 show of similar length, toss in a stray dog track (no full show) and call it a DaP?

Otherwise that early stuff is gonna languish in the Vault without a plan.

In other words, I COMMAND YOU OH DAVE L!!

I tend to forget about that "So Many Roads" box. 3/18/67 would make a perfect Dave's Picks with another show attached from 1967. I'd be more for that than another 1977 show. Or another two 1977 shows for that matter.

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no Jimmy Herring but everyone else in attendance at the Xmas Jam in Asheville. Check out the setlist for Phil and Phriends at Jambands. com

Open Sesame Dave L, the genie has been commanded, time to release a few of these early primals as a 3CD collage, DaP46?, we know they will clean up as HF documents. Less than a week after I saw Jimi at the Washington Hilton in DC, March 1968, he was cutting his teeth on guitar strings up in Lewiston, Maine at the Armory.

I still say lump it all in a big primal box (67-70) and get it out before we croak!
Times running out, screw this trickling out the vault!
Smithers, release the reels!

Yeah DR, anything but 77 at this point…

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Bro, I did a feature article on that show for Univibes: The International Jimi Hendrix Magazine by interviewing a few folks who attended, plus photographer John Gossage who shot the heck out of it. I have three of his excellent B&W pics framed on my living room wall.

Do you remember the "Chicken Man" incident?

Don't believe we have a legit tape of that show, tho a boot purports to be it.

Roy Buchanan attended one of the shows, but accounts that claim he and Jimi jammed later have been credibly refuted.

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Just watched a very cool documentary about Paul Butterfield and his band called "Horn from the Heart." Highly recommend this on the utuube. Lots of interviews with band mates Elvin Bishop and others tell a great story.

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NiteCat, that Paul Butterfield documentary sounds very cool, Butter field is one of my favorite harp players. Thanks, I will definitely check that out!

Meteors are out tonight... Have told some of this story before here, so please forgive repeat and long version... hung with a group of high school friends deep into music, tuned in and up to speed with what was going on... one was Bob Ewan, who became Bobby Radcliff, blues guitarist, after he went to Chicago to study with Magic Sam. Somehow Bob got picked to drive Jimi Hendrix around DC for his first visit in August 1967 when he played the Ambassador Theater. Bob was fifteen at the time, so did not have his drivers license. Listened to Are You Experienced summer into fall 67 with rapture, could not believe what Jimi was doing on guitar. After Axis was released late in 67, when friends heard Jimi was coming back to DC, we bought tickets ($4) to the March 10th 1968 Hilton show. My father drove us down there, no license yet, we ate red Lebanese hash before hand because reefer at the time really stank, so obvious. General admission on folding chairs in the ballroom, we were about tenth row. Soft Machine opened the show, there was a light show called the Mark Boyle Sense Laboratory, brief pause then Jimi, Mitch and Noel came out and the place went nuts. Yes, at one point a guy with a chicken head mask climbed on stage and tackled Jimi who kept playing as if nothing happened. We were convinced it was staged, part of of the show. There are recordings of this show, horrible audio quality, the entire set was only about 45 minutes. A detailed account of how the chicken head thing came to happen was published not long ago by the Washington Post, a prank by college kids. Saw Jimi again later on at the Baltimore Civic Center, no chicken head. Will surf the web for those photos... began to take my camera to many shows not long after, have good photos of Roy B, decent ones of my first Dead show at Baltimore Civic Center spring 1973... many others, checked but could not find probable you in the Friday afternoon Watkins Glen shots.

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One of the earliest excerpts of 1966 I have heard/seen is the dvd of the Acid Test from 1/8/66. Plenty of live Dead, and a bit of hickey between Pigpen and the Pranksters - "Hey man, stop yo babbling and fix these microphones". Really good sound quality - if it's on youtube, definitely worth checking out. It would be a great addition if this film, and any others like it, could be included in a box of early Dead.

Those Soft Machine shows with the Mark Boyle light show circa 1968 are legendary in their own right. Together with Pink Floyd, Soft Machine seem to have been one of the main live bands of early British psych. Never really given due credit.

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Stop press its 09/09/72 👍🏻

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Yep, I just saw my email from Dead.net. DaP 46 looks great. I think several of you were calling for a fall 1972 show so there it is . I have not heard 9/9/72 so I am going to hold off until I get my copy in the mail. It seems like 9/19/72 only has audience sources in circulation (I could be wrong) so that will be nice to get some snippets from that show. We already got the big jam form 9/3/72 so bonus disc will round out some of that.

At this point for me, I am open to any show that is released from any era. However, I will not lie about the fact that I am extra excited for DaP 45 & 46 as 1977 and 1972 are my favorite years of the GD. Maybe number 47 will be an 85 show (or two). That would hit the sweet spot for me. However it doesn't really matter anyway.

Once again, thank you Dave L and crew!

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Sept '72 is as good as it gets without the grease, so this will be a huge release.

However, the release of portions of my first show (9-19-72) confirms that they've given up the search for the missing reel and I have to surmise that the OSF now knows the contents of the banana boxes and the missing 9-19-72 reel is not there.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to enjoy four hours of Sept '72 and the several hundred other shows I have in pristine sound quality............... you win some, you lose some. Though a portion of my first show is hardly losing.

P.S. Wonder what this selection means for the year's box set? Not gonna be fall '72. So, maybe a 50th Summer '73? Plenty of material, between entire barn-burning shows and uneven though iconic shows (Watkins Glen main performance).

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Let me take your coat for you, welcome, welcome. We haven't seen the likes of you since the St. Louis box set, and even that wasn't enough.

Any '72 is great '72. Still, I wondered why he chose the Palladium show from the 9th as opposed to the next night w/Dark Star. The Dark Star fanatic in me always wants the Dark Star show, and Dave certainly likes a good Dark Star. I have a solid SBD from the 10th. So I checked out archive.org and learned David Crosby was a guest on the 10th. I have a feeling that played a lrole in the release decision. First world issues.

I'm usually not too keen when they include duplicate songs on the Bonus Disc, but I would be happy with both Bird Songs from the two incomplete shows, 9/3 & 9/19. That would give us three 1972 Bird Songs in one release. YES. I am o-freaking-kay with that. They were playing the most killer Bird Songs in this timeframe. It would certainly make up for 4 discs of 1972 and no Dark Star.

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I don’t know this show but I’ve NEVER heard anyone discuss it.
I mean we have some serious fall 72 nuts here (yeah, I’m looking at you Mr PC), and out of all the shows folks discuss I’ve never heard a word about it?
So that and no Dark Star has me worried that once again he’s picked a good city and street, but gone to the wrong house! I’m sure I’ll dig it, I always do, but with no Dark Star etc Im not sure how much rotation it’ll get?
First world whining to be sure lol

Good stories DMCVT, keep ‘em coming por favor!

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Great that another show from this timespan is being released. I would get anything from this era without hesitating. Pity it's coming out under the Dave's Picks banner though, with a bonus disc that you can only buy if you subscribe. Needless to say, I would love to get the bonus disc, but I wouldn't buy the two October 77 shows if I had the choice, and not knowing what is in the pipeline, I can't be sure number 47 and 48 would be to my liking, either. So I guess I have to decide if it's worth subscribing and getting shows I don't want, for the one bonus disc I do. I don't like this buy one, get one free approach at all.

I know I could subscribe and then sell the ones I don't want online - but I have never sold anything this way, and can't really be bothered looking into how you do it.

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that a fall '72 box was "inevitable" -- I believe that's the word he used. And, yes, I leapt to the bait like a trout to the fly! Dave said that maybe 4-5 years ago and, knowing Dave as well as I do (I don't know the guy at all), he says all kinds of things but that doesn't mean they're gonna happen. So, a mere 4-5 hours of sacred Sept '72 will just have to suffice until such time as "They" decide on a fall '72 box.

So, what's the speculation or wish list for the coming year's box? "They" gotta do a Wake of the Flood 50th, right? Is the bonus show with that all the '73 they're gonna muster in 2023? Perhaps.

That is all.

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So, following up the excellent and dud-free 2022 sub series, we're starting off 2023 with 2 shows from '77 and then 4 discs from fall '72? Yes, please.

Announcing releases from '77 and '72 certainly seems like a good way to drive up subscription sales. You guys are a lot more knowledgeable than I am about what's good and still in the vault from those periods, but all I can say is I've never heard a "bad" show from either year.

Box sets? I have no idea how or if what's issued on the DaP series impacts their thinking about possible boxes. But I sure like some of the suggestions I'm hearing. A summer '73 box? Or a '60s set? Just take all my money, now.

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King Crimson: The Great Deceiver
Blind Willie McTell: Death Cell Blues
Neil Young: Noise & Flowers
Jefferson Airplane: After Bathing at Baxter's
John McLaughlin: Extrapolation

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I once pooh-pooh'd all the speculation on what's next, and now, for some reason, I'm the very worst speculator. And obviously my "great ideas" are pretty obvious attempts at mining the Vault. Primal box? Pretty easy to want that. Summer '73 box? Obvious. I mean, what the hay, how about '69 box?

And I sit here with several prodigous stacks of CDs ordered in the past two months. Tampa Red, BB King's earliest singles, a couple Dylan that previously escaped me, Pee Wee Crayton, Lonnie Johnson, Rev. Gary Davis -- I'm up to my keister in music.

But with the GD, it's more of a downright mania.....

So the next time I write "That is all," brace yourself for more to come.

Mmk. I don't think I have ever heard it, bring it on.

"first thing you learn" (though) "is that you always gotta wait"

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Is anyone else having trouble checking your order status? I ordered my subscription right away when it was announced. Now it does not recognize my order number, email, or zip code.

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Hey SGD1977, I had the same problem until I entered the 9-digit zip code (5 + 4) that I was prompted to use when I first placed my order for both the Dave's subscription and also for Ace. Hope maybe that'll help. Onward.

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Hey rockers!!!

People come to music to seek oblivion: is that not also a form of deception?

I listened to the highlights of 9/9/72 on my commute home. Very fine stuff, especially Bird Song and Truckin'. It is definitely "of a kind" with the other shows from the Fall of 1972. Which means it's really really good music, enjoyable, and worthy of release.

Is it classic? Well, maybe not, but that's OK. Is it a step down from the creamy intensity of the Europe 72 tour? Well, maybe, but that's OK too. I predict that fans of this time period will really like it.

As far as releasing "fragments" of shows, I'm OK with that. It's a remnant, a holdover from my years of trading tapes. We often had only fragments of shows, but enjoyed them anyways. Just because something is "incomplete", does that mean it shouldn't be released so we can enjoy it? Decide for yourselves......

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.... I'm Ok with any release really. Feed me Seymour.
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Gonna check out Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio tonight. Stop motion is my kryptonite and Del Toro is incredible.

Glad to hear that others are not opposed. I’ve never had a problem with it.

Now send us 9/19/70. Just be sure to include the DS and Not Fade. Thank you.

Someone brought up the So Many Roads box recently. That is an absolutely fantastic release and is nothing but fragments.

As is Ladies and Gentleman . . .

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Fragments of of 1967, 68, 69, & 70, would make a killer box set!

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Just read on that one particular site that someone had an email exchange with Dave L years ago in which DL responded that they have 5 of 6 reels of 9-19-72 in the Vault, missing one reel.

Aaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just doing a tragic operatic turn this morning. I suppose if that one reel shows up they could put out the whole show. But if it doesn't, how about 5 of 6 reels??

Now, THAT's a fragment!

Oh yeah, got on here to write: fragments = good. But include shows for which they have nearly complete reels. 5 of 6 is good with me.

Why is it that my first show is so important? Is it like losing one's virginity?

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