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    What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    ...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

    Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

    I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    In the late 90s Pete Rowan was the featured musician on a multi-day float trip with the local river company on the mighty San Juan River. Folks brought their instruments and there was jamming around the campfire every night. After the trip he graciously played a free show in the tiny Nadabar for us folks in town. At one point he started talking about Muley Point, which has one of the most iconic and spectacular views in the southwest, looking south from atop the edge of Cedar Mesa across the Goosenecks of the San Juan to the Navajo Nation including Douglas Mesa, Monument Valley, and beyond. And he finishes with something to the effect that "I wrote this song while I was camped up on Muley Point years ago." And then he played Land of the Navajo.

    Midnight Moonlight holds a special place for me in those Old and in the Way songs. Listening to some of that Boarding House music right now. Nice unexpected music detour for a gray afternoon.

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    Anyone have any books by Ray Robertson? Which ones should I read, please?

    Opera is fine by me, but it has to be live. My wife humors me by coming along, but I'm the one who listens to classical music all day (with breaks for GD, Dylan, and Jazz).

    Sluggish sales? Let's be honest--we have TONS of GD already, so it does become difficult to get too wound up over new releases, unless the release is from a lightly-mined era, or is from recently-recovered tapes of a true classic show. Some of these recent boxed sets might have been better off with just a couple of the gem shows being Dave's Picks instead?

    And yes, if I watch sports (which is mostly soccer), I mute the announcers. It's always fun when the music I'm playing suddenly synchronizes with the on-field action!

    Be kind, rewind.

    p.s. DMCVT, I LOVE that! :) Just took the entire family to Carmen last spring. I've seen it two or three times now . . .

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    Confession time... as an all music lover, have enjoyed opera and as a kiddo, sung in the street urchin chorus for Bizet's Carmen performed at the Carter Barron Amphitheater in DC. Loved the Who's Tommy when it came out fifty years ago, of course. OK now I feel much better, back to my regular programming.

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    53 years ago today, the Grateful Dead were busted down in New Orleans, down on Bourbon Street. They wouldn't play in New Orleans until 1980, when they played a couple of acoustic/electric shows, that would make a nice release.

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    Yes, interesting to hear all the theories.
    However, there wasn't a change in eBay reporting. The change was at the Federal level and was included in The American Rescue Plan.
    All payment platforms, which include eBay, PayPal, Venmo, etc. are required to report to the IRS and the account holder all payments over $600 for the year. The old threshold was $20,000. This is a huge change. It means if you sell your daughter's bike on Craigslist and you get paid through PayPal and it is over $600, it will be reported to the IRS. It would also include your buddies paying you for dinners or drinks through Venmo if it exceeds that $600 for the enter year. This has caused a huge disruption with these platforms, including Ebay. It was such a big issue, the IRS decided not to enforce it for 2022, but warned everyone would have to comply in 2023.

    Okay, I am sure this is really boring, but sure it impacts all types of sales, including Ebay.

    We will have to wait and when #45 eventually sells out. I see the LTTR and the MSG box sets are both still for sale.

    Hope you all receive your #45 soon.

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    just ripped in set 1 10-1 promised land and TLEO are from Audience tapes they say the deads masters for those 2 songs were unsalvageable.

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    Interesting to read the different views on the failure to sell out, I do hope it is down to fatigue, either of the 70's generally, or 77 specifically. That said, I do fear PT Barnum maybe nearer the mark and always wondered if the increase to 25k was, perhaps, a step too far.

    What is clear is that whole model is based on each volume selling out. Not necessarily immediately, but reasonably promptly. As soon as volumes stop selling out we descend into the vicious spiral of cherry picking increasing while subscriptions fall. Cherry picking is fine in theory, why shouldn't people only buy the volumes they want? Because it means fewer units sold and consequently the model becoming unsustainable without reducing the numbers.

    I'm not familiar with the new ebay restrictions mentioned, but I've always found it a little ironic that the resellers have always taken quite a bit of stick here, when the reality is that reselling has been absolutely critical to the success of Dave's Picks, building demand and driving numbers up and making it what it is to day. It's worth remembering that each Dave's Picks now sells about four times what the Road Trips releases used to sell and about half of those were full shows.

    On a more optimistic not, didn't volume 41 take a while to sell out?

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    Assessing sales and what it means is always tricky.
    Hobo Song and Land of the Navaho always get me.
    So The Who pulled it off with Tommy, why not? I could see some story pulled from the ballads and expanded into an opera. So many, Jack Straw comes to mind in a dust bowl hobo storyline. Or Terrapin with the Lady & The Fan story.
    The GD Movie's first few minutes of animation work for me as almost a visual opera but I'm a cartoon child and all the classical music I know is from the Loony Tunes cartoons. And all my knowledge of ancient history comes from Fractured Fairy Tales with the voice of Edward Everett Horton.
    Cheers
    That New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival line-up is humongus (or is that humungus?)!

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    It may be better that they take a while to sell out, so non subscribers ( mentioning no names) can pick up a copy. It would be more worrying if they sold out on day one, before everybody that wants a copy can get one. That would light up the board, if that happened ! But all the Dave's Picks have sold out reasonably quickly, which is the main thing. So maybe they have got it right after all.
    It wouldn't do any harm to move out of the 70's, though. My preference would be to go back to the 1960's, but there are surely others would be just as keen for the series to move on into the 80's and 90's. I personally might not buy them, but I am sure there are many that would.

    The Dead might not have played opera, but they look as if they going out to hear one on the cover of "Go To Heaven."

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    Opera &GD, etc.

    If only the GD would have done an opera! (kidding). I have seen a few and get them although they are not usually my thing. I had a colleague who's side hustle was support and production of Operas, he took us to see one of Mozart's Magic Flute once, a project he helped see through. It was fun enough.

    My favorite opera moment has to be Tim Robbins playing \Mozart, the Marriage of Figaro over the PA in the Shawshank Redemption. A pretty powerful moment in that film and a testament that Music can heal. For me, a great song to pull me through tough times is The Hobo Song. An up-tempo bluegrass song, the words, however, speak of deep despair.

    I guess I am in the minority, I don't blame EBay taxes for Dave's 45 still being available. For some reason, the Fall '77 shows seem to be less desirable than Spring and Summer. I think the perceived drop in demand has more to do with an impending recession and resulting less disposable income for many, but the real reason is the 25,000 subscription number. Remember.. the first year the subscription was capped at 12,000 copies. Even us diehards openly discuss not needing every single release. As much as I love 1977 GD, I have listened to it a ton.

    It is going to be hard for Rhino and the GD to keep the hype going at 25k copies. Treading carefully as they must, the greatest hype period was probably in 2015 with Fare The Well, etc.

    One last comment, the first release each year always takes longer to sell out. Not sure exactly why.. perhaps it's because each year attracts a churn of new Deadheads that got on the bus late and buy a few ala carte CDs while the people that drop off the wheel and quit subscribing affect subscription numbers, which they can control somewhat and the impact is largely hidden to us.

    I don't think it's primarily an EBay phenomenon, but I could be wrong.

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What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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I eventually paid (in France) like 15 bucks, and it ’s my own fault because I would have paid half on line. Wallet is the best place to learn.
Some of you heard this story: In heaven French do the cooking, the policemen are English, German organize everything and Italian do the entertainment.
In hell English do the cooking, the policemen are French, Italian organize everything, German do the entertainment and …Swiss do the shipping.
Anyway collecting dead shows is no more a merry prankster thing.

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Never enough 77.
(whispers)
Never...

Though more of the under-represented years would be nice (if the PB&J are listening).

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Harem Scarem. RGM reissue from 1991, never been on vinyl.
Never heard of them. Any thoughts?
Some connection with this album and a TV show.
Cheers, eh?

RV3's new series of releases "Brent's Picks"?

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March & December, still some good music left.

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Sheik- I like that line about how the English do the cooking in hell. They could also manage the railways and decide what the drug laws should be.

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The Dutch would be responsible for administration.

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Winterland 77 March/December would be a nice haul for sure.
Likewise the remaining Palladium 77 run.
A do-over 5/22 full show release would be swell as well.

Also, an October 74 Winterland box.

Also...

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10/9 and 10/10 would make a nice two-fer. Great auds of both days available on the Archive.

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In the last 15-16 months, 9 Brent shows have been released.
MSG Box
DaP 40, 44

2 more shows with DaP 36.
And the Giants Stadium Box a few years ago.

There is no shortage of Brent releases.

There is a shortage of Bruce releases.

There is a shortage of video releases.

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The View From The Vault Series gave us some Bruce plus video.

Dave/Rhino,
Time for more video.
Thanks for 6-17-91 on Blu-ray, but don’t stop there.

We need all the video from:
Oct. 74, Oct. 80, European tours, Alpine 89, Tinley Park 90.

Then some selections from 91 starting with Soldier Field.

Thanks in advance.

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without a shipping issue, I’ve had to endure two debacles in a row.

So DaP45 finally arrived today. I have been listening to it all evening.

Remember the scene in the movie Big where all the executives and Josh (Tom Hanks) are meeting to evaluate the merits of the new company toy. At the end of the discussion Josh meekly raises his hand and says, “I don’t get it.”

That’s how I feel about this release.

....I'm not going to mention any names, but how about some 1991-1995?
Guess most of them wouldn't cut the mustard, but I saw plenty of shows then, and I recall some being pretty damn good.
A Vegas Box would be much welcome.
Throw in some dice and playing cards. Limited to seven come eleven of course.
One can hope!
The Sphere is being lit up btw. Test runs.
Edit....what don't you get AJS? Why it was released at all? 🤔
I'm open to a discourse.

Ha...

I have mine but have not had the opportunity to listen. I reserve the right to resurrect my view on 1977 GD upon my listen. 77 shows remind me of my supermodel ex-girlfriend. Practically perfect yet somehow not altogether satisfying.

I'm sure it's absolutely killer. First world problems to be sure.

As you were.

Edit: I really have nothing against '77 GD. When I am in the mood it does magic.

Saw a few really solid shows between 91-95, with 10/19/94 at MSG being one of the best.

Was psyched that they released the Feels Like>Bertha from that show as part of this year’s 30 Daze line up.

The 10/1/94 Boston gig they included in the 30 trips box is also pretty fab.

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Sir James probably summed it up best. It’s oddly unsatisfying.

There’s nothing bad about it, but there’s also nothing overly exciting about it. I thought that even the sound quality was just average.

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I'd simply like more '68, '69 and '70.

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A live concert can be enjoyed at the time of being there, but that doesn't mean it would make a satisfying recording.
Actually, that applies to releases from all eras, from all bands. But it was posts from people who enjoyed Dead shows between 91-95, and suggested some of those be released that reminded me of the fact.

It works the other way round, too. Some live shows I have been to I haven't enjoyed - but listening to recordings of them later, I realised they were better than I thought they'd been. Even Jerry commented on this phenomena- I think it's in The Dead Movie he recalls not liking their performance on 2/14/68 and throwing Phil down some stairs as a response. He listened to them later, and found them to be... "crackling with energy" I think was the phrase.

From my vast experience of going to Dead shows, I would say there was hardly any relation between being there and listening to live recordings.

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"in Hell": this story is very "cliché". I heard it on a richard Thompson Dvd, maybe 2000 years of pop music...
Yesterday I was a bit annoyed cause I spent time on the phone and car to get this package. Things have changed since the elephant administration...4 or 5 years ago? I felt like paying tax for a boxset for two shows.

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it depends of the mood you are in. But most of gd recordings are great, even the 82 cassettes. (dickP32)
If you listen Dylan 's fragments bootleg series vol 17, you can measure the greatness of gd recordings. I had to listen live cd4 more times to appreciate, but there's nothing like the other studio takes. the Dead has built the best show catalogue of all time.

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Hey rockers.............

My parents used to say, "If you can't say anything good about something, don't say anything at all". That's why I'm here not saying anything about anything...................

Portland? Don't get the buzz about all that, but we got our annual 77 so let's move on. But not on to 91-95. Some February 1973 would hit the spot...........

Heaven is my current wife, hell is my ex-wife, purgatory is alimony.............

Rock on,

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Dead releases are like Texas weather, don't like it, wait, it'll change.

There is something for everyone, but everyone won't like everything.

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RIP Burt Bacharach
What the World needs now is Love as true today as the day he wrote it.
Via Con Dios so many tunes from out yesterdays

Lurking lately, now catching up again after last weekends deep deep freeze here in Vermont. Live about 50 air miles from Mount Washington and was paying close attention to the extreme weather, cause there's new plumbing in my unheated, fortunately below grade marginally insulated basement. It was 21 below zero last Saturday morning with 35 mph gusts that night, very happy to be earth sheltered. But all that pales infinitesimally to the tragic situation in Turkey. So though #45 was here, was not in the mood to begin paying attention until now, have not yet completed a first run. First impression was very good to excellent recording, Donna in a good place, agreed it seems a bit drum forward, seems to be slight emphasis on mid bass such there is slight percussive effect not noticed on most other recordings. This is a very minor observation. Glad to have these shows tidied up, good fun, obviously not peak 77. Easily distracted by other posts, totally agree with Oro that when the Dead went to Macintosh power amps, audio was cleaned up by a factor or at least 10X... love those old Fender tube amps when they are run right but there was tube abuse, those 6L6s, EL84s etc output tubes pushed so hard, ran so hot, their distortion figures must have been above the 1-2% range. Now to video, though the VftV series is here along with other commercially released vids, had never thought to look for the June 21, 1971 Chateau d'Herouville show and was pleased to find it this morning on utu be. House party on the lawn. Bit rough and raw, hand held cameras, for such a location, the audio is good and there's an excellent Hard to Handle, pig in fine form. Worth checking out.

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50 years ago today I wasn't at Maples Pavilion up in Palo Alto. ( I'm sure I was doing something that was just as fun), but my brother was there and he had a blast!. This show would make a great release.

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when Doc and Dennis just handled it all.

Except, what about Jer on Disc One?? He's ripping!

Haven't spun the shows yet. Just dipped toe. More toes tonight.

Arrived this morning. Good to see it in the flesh, as it were, after having looked at it's picture so many times on the board. I have only played the 1st cd, and I did enjoy it - crisp and clear with plenty of energy. It's neither more nor less than I was expecting really. Possibly a bit more. One of the benefits of reading negative reviews is that it lowers the bar a bit, so that when I do get to hear the offending show, it sounds better than I was expecting. When everyone praises a show it sometimes gives it too much to live up to. And when I do eventually get round to listening to one of those, I can then think that it's not as good as everyone says it is.

Curiously the "Promised Land "-"They Love Each Other" openers appear to be soundboard recordings on my old bootleg. The Promised Land suddenly cuts out after a minute, though.

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I have absolutely no idea how May '77 Cornell became so revered. It sounds/plays like the least interesting show in that run. Real good show. No standout.

Just two cents to augment what daverock said.

From what I've heard so far, I'm going to really enjoy the new pick and not worry how it might be assessed by others. As for ranking shows, I don't have the brain cells to spare.

Most likely because it was the first high-quality soundboard recording that was widely available to the masses. It got everybody hooked. Thank you Betty.

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This part. Exactly.

First tape I ever owned.

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Yes, this time Dave's Picks arrived in Växjö in less than two weeks!

Got it yesterday, on February 8th, and listen right now to the second CD (second set from October 1st). Good music even though shows from 1977 seems to be a little over-done by now.

I would appreciate more bits and pieces from fall 1966 to 1970 and maybe not as a Dave's Picks volume, I would appreciate a release of June 9-10, 1973.
I have a framed poster above my stereo / TV furniture with a photo of Weir, Lesh and Garcia from one of those shows. Bought it in San Francisco in August or September 1986 and have had it on different walls since I got home to Sweden again. The show from June 10 was one of my first tapes I recieved early in 1985 after having a tape traders ad in the last issue of The Golden Road fanzine in 1984.
But I would prefer something much more superior in sound quality by now. :-)

Well, anyway I'm pleased and grateful for a delivery faster than the seven or eight weeks I normally have to wait for a new DP volume! :-)

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Just for the record, I've only ever had one....................

In regards to Cornell, it was definitely NOT one of the first high quality boards available to the masses. That's a myth, there were lots of other high quality things----including early stuff. That being said, it WAS one of the first high quality 77s to enter wide circulation. But as many more 77s came out---including the shows right before and right after----some of the luster came off Cornell.

I think Cornell is similar to Veneta---it's one of those "you had to be there" types of things. And, like Veneta, good show, but one of the great great overrated Grateful Dead shows.

Just one man's opinion.......

Rock on,

Doc
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Does anyone else hear a muffled voice, like someone on a phone or behind glass say "He's just talking to 1A, come on back." during Black Peter, right at 6:45? Did it come from the disc, or did my computer pick up a nearby call or something.

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Who cares? It either moves you or it doesn't. If it moves you listen again, if it doesn't then move on to something that does. I like some of these picks more than others, but I want them all. I don't have any list of desired releases, and although I love to see shows that I attended released, they are not necessarily the releases that I go back to most often. Really, I just want shows with good sound quality, songs presented in order, and beyond that it is all subjective. One person's good release is another's ho-hum release, which is pretty clear from this thread. I like to listen to a wide variety of music, with a good chunk of it Dead, but there is so much music to listen to, and my enjoyment depends not a bit on how folks rank it.

Burt Bacharach had a ton of great stuff, including some fantastic stuff covered by Isaac Hayes that really hits the spot - Walk on By from Hot Buttered Soul, The Look of Love from ...To Be Continued, and They Long to Be from the classic Black Moses album, some really classic stuff best played a little loud on a good system. Or maybe a lot loud.

Yes, I've just heard it on "Black Peter" too. I think this show, 10/1, is pretty good overall. Some great guitar playing throughout.
I wonder also if shows like Cornell and Veneta gained a reputation because of strongly expressed and publicised opinions affirming their superiority in earlier times. And those opinions became reinforced by others until they became perceived as fact. John Dwork wrote pages and pages about Veneta in The Taping Compendium, whereas some shows on the European tour were summed up in a few paragraphs. Granted, they may not have had the full tapes for some of the European shows, but the impression given is that Veneta is the greatest show of the year - if not of all time. Maybe articles like that, blow shows..like that...out of all proportion.

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Oh, it's there on the disc. It freaked me out when I first heard it in my car zoned in on the commute to work!

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This release to me felt like an old broke in pair of jeans the first time I listened to it. It feels comfortable and makes me feel good. I've listened to it all four or five times now, minus Let it Grow and Cassidy which I generally just do not care for. Bah! Humbug! How dare he.

I have a Nash T52 Telecaster which arrived, brand new, heavily relic'd. I liken this release to it. The guitar played like butter right out of the box like an old friend I just met. I had never heard this show before, but it's what, 46 years old? Older is usually better with cars, wine, whisky, guitars, Dead shows. Hell, my wife is 50 and I wouldn't even trade her for a 20 year old. ;-p

Just a matter of taste I guess. Love this release and can't wait for the next one.

Peace everyone... well, almost.

\m/

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Ho
Lee
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I give up on y'all

I really gotta quit coming to these posting thingies....

Cornell

Great sound and the greatest orgasmic Morning Dew of all time

"You told me goodbye
How was I to know
You didnt mean goodbye
You meant please
Dont let me go"

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....I like the '83 Santa Fe shows. Like. A lot. Definitely whatever rated lol.
I'm just here hoping for a Dave's that is numbered under four digits. One day.
And LedDed. I wouldn't trade my 50+ year old wife for a 20 year old either.
She's hotter and smarter anyways.

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Hey, Nineteen
No, we got nothing in common
No, we can't dance together
No, we can't talk at all
Please take me along, when you slide on down

Yngwie Malmsteen - Relentless
The Flaming Lips - At War With The Mystics
GD - 10.2.77 Portland, OR
The Cult - Love
Deep Purple - Deep Purple In Rock
List works imo....

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....Yo La Tengo just dropped a record. Like, forty minutes ago.
Yessssss

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It always strikes me as ludicrous when people think they have nothing in common with others who disagree with them. The commonality lies in the fact that people understand each other, not that they agree. If I told my neighbour that I thought Veneta or Cornell were overrated, she would neither know nor care what I was talking about. If I said the same thing on here - I'm not assuming anyone would care - but at least a lot of people would understand what I was saying. Whether anyone agreed or not would be interesting to me - but not divisive.

Ledded - that Nash tele sounds alright. I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of that.

I am sure the 50 year old wives find it reassuring that they wouldn't be swopped for 20 years olds. What about when they are 60, though? With a 30 year old ?

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