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I have family in Quincy - I’ll have to coordinate a visit sometime when both the Bruins and Red Sox have games! A great sports town. As for Marchand, he is one of those nasty pricks you hated playing against, always with the jabs, a little loose with his stick, an elbow or three, but a guy you would definitely love on your team. Philly had that guy years ago you may remember, Ken Linesman, dubbed “The Rat”, because he was Marchand Extra Strength. But a great guy to have in your lineup!

To non-hockey Dead fans, we return you to your regular broadcast.

I've been to both Red Sox and Bruins games many times. Both are a blast and well worth attending.

As for Marchand, I may be in the minority here, but no way do I want him on my team. Unlike Linesman, the Rat, he is too talented for those antics. Linesman had to resort to that style of play because just he wasn't that good. Don't forget guys like Darius Kasparaitis from Pittsburgh either.

So, if you want to know why I don't want a guy like that on my team, go watch the end of the first period during game 7 of the 2109 Stanley Cup final. Marchand jumped off the ice and bailed on his team.

Laughing/enjoying you two guys with the B talk.
Back in early 70s my Grampy took me to an Orioles double header at Fenway.
Being from WNY and no home team, I was a Cardinals fan for various reasons, and liked the Os…
So there I am with my fake Cardinals batting helmet and an Orioles pennet!
Well the locals made a big deal outta it: totally just teasing me etc, all good fun, the world was different and I was little.
So while this is happening, the old man starts denying that I’m with him lol.
Like “Boooo, Cards/Os, this is Boston” etc, and the old man’s like “he’s not with me” etc
Now if it had been a Bills game, who knows lol
Only time I went to a Donkeys game it was against the Chargers, and we were all rooting for the Bolts.
Mostly good fun, think there might of been one drunk dipshit being stupid, but we just made fun of him and had all our neighbors laughing! Being hammered helped lol.

Marchand…the human hemorrhoid on skates!
Yeah, why does he have to be a dirty goon with all that talent?

Jack - I forgot about Marchand’s little baby cry act after Game 7. A poor sport, and a dirty SOB, for sure, but I’d like him for at least a playoff run.

Oro - The most even tempered fans I ever saw were in Buffalo, for the Bills or the Sabres. Just a pretty friendly bunch, all round. The same for concerts in WNY - a very chill group of people, I always love going there, and not just for the wings! The harshest thing was that crazy cold wind directly from the Arctic to Ralph Wilson Stadium - holy shite!!! Whatever did Buffalo do to piss off the weather gods so bad!?!? Earthquakes and biblical winter storms this year alone!! I get why you ventured West, South-West! :)

I ment if seeing Da Bills in Boston at a Pats home game lol That might get fun!

Ps, not quite warm enough for hockey season here yet ; )

So lets go, Dave!

....I think that's Swedish for, "what are you waiting for!!"
A friend of mine invited me to the VGK/Canes game tomorrow knight for free.
Who am I to say no?

Immediate sell out. Complete Oct 1974 Winter land audio & video, immediate sell out.

....I think ANY 1970 board show would sell out before they even went on sale.
Remember when the Get Shown The Light box was released and it broke the internet? I do!
I got #333.
Magical number.

What a show! In the conversation for greatest show of all time. Definitely the coolest 1st set opener of all time. That 1st set must of left people going Wow, that was incredible!

*****
October 30th, 1971
Taft. Auditorium
Cincinnati
*With NRPS & Jerry playing ‘Pedal steel guitar’ before the Dead’s performance with ‘new riders of the purple Sage’!
Very heavy Grateful Dead! Everything seems so soulful! I love it! Heavenly!
Have a grateful day everyone! Peace be with you all!
“Keith is brilliant, primo playing! Jerry is just nailing it thru out the entire performance! Man, it’s just so beautiful! Good Ol’ Grateful Dead!
💀🌹

....game tonight for free.
Who am I to say no?
Happy 50th anniversary to Dark Side Of The Moon btw.

Was a great year for rock music generally. Maybe the last one from those who started in the 60's - it started getting a bit tired for the next two years until punk came along with size 12 boots in 76.

It's hard to know what releases will sell out, and there is no shortage of good suggestions for more new releases. But, for me, the waiting is the hardest part. In a few years, provided I am still on this planet, will I finally get to hear a remixed full Terrapin Suite? (um, probably). Blues for Allah's Unusual Occurrences in the Desert? Sandcastles and Glass Camels? You get the drift. Anniversaries are wonderful for celebrating loved ones, or to give out an award. But is it really necessary to wait for the "exact date?". What about "Deluxe / Commemorative Editions or smaller box sets (a few albums) for each era instead?

I really love all my Daves-Dicks titles, and even had over 700 tapes at one time. But creating something new from something old? The first time I heard the opening notes of the latest American Beauty remix, it brought a tear to my eye. I didn't expect that from an album I've heard so many times. But, as for Terrapin, Keith Olsen recently passed, so he won't be able to do revisit his work. But a fresh mix of somewhat unique tracks? Yes please. And then, a few more live releases from the early days.

On a somewhat related note, I also wonder about any official releases of the band Reconstruction, the fast, jazzier JGB from 1979, although Legion's pace is just exactly perfect for me. I could listen to it all day (and I do sometimes). And I also recall David Grisman mentioned he had many more hours of "just playing", akin to the "So What" release. So, it's like the banana box quandary. There's so much music out there, in proverbial banana boxes yet to be re-discovered. I recently spent a "lifetime" during the pandemic on Bill Graham's "Wolfgang's Vault", with so many great artists and shows. I searched all of the Great American Music Hall Shows (So many Jazz and Folk Greats), every Record Plant, Fillmore. And then Joe Pass, John Fahey, Bill Evans, Booker T, and finally the various CSNY incarnations. Many of the shows still have the original between-song banter. For some recordings, it pointed me to better versions out there. But I only captured a small fraction. So much great music, just not in "the vault". Well, back to my main point, maybe I can wait just a tiny bit longer for those studio remasters, but then again, who am I fooling here? For now, I will just listen to the 2-20-77 Terrapin Session on Archive and imagine what may be someday. So, I will wait for the next box set, as I remain thankful for all the great music we get to hear every day.

I wouldn't have thought it was necessary to wait for the exact date to release a commemorative edition of an old album. Other bands release them as and when they see fit - I've just had a look at the remastered box set of "Goats Head Soup" I have here, and that came out in 2020, despite the original coming out in 1973. There are scores of others who do this - too many to list. Even those without classic albums do it.

I wouldn't have thought every album warrants a remastered box set package either. Certainly every one up to now has. And "Blues For Allah" does, I would say. But I'm not so sure either "Wake of the Flood " or "Mars Hotel" do. Maybe "Terrapin Station", although side 1 is no great shakes. But "Go To Heaven"? Leave it out. I guess it's down to personal choice which ones have classic status and which ones don't.

Jazzy jammin band indeed! I've been waiting on an official release for YEARS.

I’ve sometimes thought that 1972 might’ve been the Greatest Year in the History of Rock. Several of the greatest bands and artists made their greatest albums: The Stones’ Exile, Bowie’s Ziggy Stardust, Sabbath’s Vol 4, Can’s Ege Bamyasi, not to mention Lou Reed’s Transformer, Neil Young’s Harvest, Rundgren's Something/Anything. Stevie Wonder’s Talking Book, the Allmans Eat a Peach. And of course Europe ’72. And they were all touring.

But then there’s 1973: Dark Side of the Moon, Houses of the Holy, Quadrophenia, Stevie’s Innervisions, King Crimson Larks Tongues in Aspic, the Stooges Raw Power, Sextant AND Chameleon from Herbie H, Birds of Fire from Mahavishnu, Toots and Maytals Funky Kingston. And Bear’s Choice and Wake of the Flood.

I mean, holy shit. There’s a reason people say music was better back in the day. And being as I was just then getting into music, I just assumed it would always be that way. Little did I know ...

I have to admit having a soft spot for Wake. I admit it’s not that great of a record, but man did I love it when it came out. I’m assuming they’ll do some sort of anniversary release, hopefully with a live show. I think Blues for Allah is really the one to look forward to: given that it was basically put together entirely in the studio (and given that it’s one their very best studio albums, IMO) there’s probably a fair number of outtakes and jams they could release.

And Daverock’s totally right: you don’t HAVE to wait for an anniversary to release this stuff. Other bands and artists with extensive archival release programs (Allmans, Neil, Crimson, to name a few) just release stuff whenever the hell they want. So what I’m saying is: Hey, Dave? Just go nuts, OK?

I found a grateful dead TI 3 cd-33 track set, shipping is only 4 clams. I'm sure most of you have it already.

The bean counters don’t care about releasing “anniversary editions” on time for significant albums. Even when they attempt to do that, it seems something always ‘comes up’ that delays the release. Pink Floyd Animals ring a bell??
As long as they get their sales, they don’t give a flying crap about a ‘commemorative release’.

I’m kind of with DAVEROCK about the Dead titles. Mars Hotel & Go To Heaven get NO play in this house. Of course, if they came with a complete concert as ‘bonus material’, the Dead will get my money. I’m all in for Wake, Allah, & Terrapin. I’m 1/2 in for Shakedown.
Right now, I’m ready to get my latest Zappa release on Friday. Mudd Club/Munich, 1980. No matter how much music I own, I ALWAYS need more!!

....and Go To Heaven is a grate album.
Where am I?

I guess we are discussing what albums deserve a special re-release (or 50'th) party? I don't think we get to choose. It's really just marketing mumbojumbo, buy it if you like.. or not..

But perhaps there is a historical perspective that could or should be recognized.

They were a live band, but their albums, I think, are historically under-rated and worthy. Some are even classics but rarely did well at the box office on release day. Perhaps their weakness was their leaderless approach.. Keith and Donna both have a song, Brent has several, Garcia and Weir have the most but with few exceptions (Anthem comes to mind) their albums lack a cohesive story because everyone had their finger in the pie. And so it is, that's who they were and why their live jams soared so high, they listened to each other.

To me, their creative peak was 67 through 69 maybe into 1970, but I think their song writing peak came after that, certainly including WMD and AB, but add all the 'GD records' albums to that list (Wake through Blues for Allah) and I would extend that into the Arista period. I really do like Anthem though; it might just be my fav. I don't know man, Eyes of the World comes to mind, Stella Blue, WRS, Wake might or might not be a great album but it's an album thjta has great songs on it. It's really been decades since I listened to it start to finish, but songs come on the radio and that's enough for me.

Unbroken Chain might just be one of the best album songs they ever wrote and released. It took them another 20 years to figure out how to play it live (and by then, it was really too late).

I treat their albums like kids.. no favorites, but from day to day we enjoy some more than others. Even albums I used to loath surprise me sometimes. No, sadly.. (or perhaps gladly), the Grateful Dead did not produce Steely Dan or Beatles type albums. But they sure did make my jaw drop to the ground live and their albums, I believe, are a tad under-rated.

No offense meant, just a counter point. As you were.

It's obviously very subjective, our liking of certain albums. For me, the ones between and including the First album and Europe 72 are all massively underrated. Anthem and American Beauty are my favourites - but they are all excellent. Blues For Allah too. Many of those albums have the best versions - or should I say my personal favourite versions of songs that I have ever heard. Live Dead and American Beauty both contain many all time best versions of songs for me.
But after that, although some albums may contain great songs, they are nearly always surpassed by live versions of those songs. Wake of the Flood - I think all that was better played live.
Mars Hotel is more interesting for the Phil Lesh songs-especially Unbroken Chain. And I liked the spooky feel of China Doll. But it's also got a couple of howlers on it. I never feel like listening to it. Or Wake, or the post Blues For Allah ones.

Fantastic show to end an incredible run. I wonder when the record is coming out.? Thank God that these tapes didn't get erased like some of the 1980 Warfield tapes did.

I'll take the plunge on GD records and re-issues.

I'm an Anthem thru Blues for Allah man. Never bought another studio album after Blues. Full disclosure: I've made road CD setlists of the very best post-Blues albums.

Wake of the Flood is a special one for me because I tripped out heavily from fall '72 to fall '73 on the songs from that album played live at -- let's see -- seven shows in that period. Not a big number, but a heavy impact of the band's live prime on a 15-16 year old fan who hitchhiked hundreds of miles for many of those shows. I acknowledge that the production on Wake is not as powerful as, say, Mars Hotel -- wonder if a remix/remaster might put a bit of muscle into the sound?

In any case, I never get into rankings or desert island choices because the album I'm listening to at the moment is the best and I don't do cruises, and if I did, what would I be doing with records in my luggage? If you're taking records to a desert island, ya bettah have a generator and a killer sound system, eh?

Also, as pointed out by my fellow sages here, WotF will be re-released this year no matter what we say. The only questions are: will it be remixed? will there be related studio jams released? what will the live companion tracks consist of? And, of course, what's the price tag?

Here we are, 50 years later, and I'm eagerly awaiting answers to these questions. (As well as, what's in the new box, Dave?)

Thanks for the pointer towards Bill Grahams vault. That's a lot of shit!!!

I will need time to examine.

Agree on Unbroken Chain, ALWAYS loved that cut. That long whistling sound that moves from left to right :-)
Great imagining on that bad boy,,,,, truley great studio work.

Also hard to beat the studio work on Terrapin.

....back to anniversary release discussions!

One of the giants of jazz, words are not enough to describe his extraordinary contributions. Very fortunate to have seen and heard him play live under difficult circumstances. Eons ago Miles Davis was a no show at a concert in a remote location in New Hamster, so Shorter had to step up to lead the band in front of a very disappointed audience. Three songs later, he was blowing us away. I had seen Miles earlier so it was specially impressive to see Shorter wrestle with the restless audience expectations and triumph. Among his best: Super Nova, Adam's Apple, Speak No Evil.

One of the best shows I ever saw was Wayne Shorter. An incredible legacy he leaves, be it his solo work (Juju & Speak No Evil are Must Haves), with the Jazz Messengers, Weather Report, Joni in her Jazz phase, and of course, his work with Miles. RIP, good sir.

I saw him play a benefit show up in Oakland on 1/23/88 with Garcia ,Weir, Santana, Boz, Scaggs,Tower of Power , Bonnie Rait and a bunch of other musicans. It wad a cool show.

This is Wayne Shorter's musical world. Everybody else is just living in it.

These days, we're pretty used to hearing about the death of this or that celebrity on a weekly, if not daily basis. But this is different. Wayne's death truly marks the end of an era. The musical universe would not be the same without the work he did with Blakey, Miles, all the Blue Note recordings he made under his own name and with people like Lee Morgan, Herbie Hancock, Freddie Hubbard, and others, the stuff he did with Weather Report. All those amazing compositions (many of which I still can't figure out, even after playing them for 20+ years.) So many amazing solos and gigs. Glad I got to see him six or eight times, always great. Just a giant intellect, giant player, giant human being.

Nam myoho renge kyo.

....bought Tix for Widespread Panic for this Saturday when they first went on sale. They are playing three shows, but went with that because it's not on a school night.
Two weeks later, The Flaming Lips announced they are playing the same evening here at a different venue, but only one show.
No refunds.
I've seen WP twice. Never the Lips. Love both bands equally.
Ugh....timing.

if youve never seen em and if you have seen WP

Nashville Pussy high as hell
Led Zeppelin presence
Motorhead snake bite love
Motorhead inferno
Om advaitic songs

12 31 72
9 6 80
4 17 69
11 8 69
Davz 45

Wayne Shorter!!!!!!

I never saw him, just listened to him on various albums. The ones I have most played have been the Miles Davis Quintet box set from 1965- 1968, covering the albums from ESP to Miles In The Sky-with various tracks from compilation albums, outtakes etc. Bamboozling, but great. Some great live cds from the same band and timespan, too - my favourite there being the Bootleg Series 1. - Live in Europe 1967. "Live At The Plugged Nickel", from 1965, is another classic.
He also played on The Stones "How Do I Stop" off Bridges To Babylon.
He doesn't feature on my last 5 though - dig this -
Flying Teapot - Gong
Future Days - Can
Kings of Oblivion - Pink Fairies
Wattstax Complete Concert cd1. - Various
Live at the BBC 1973 - Focus

Jolene (vinyl)
Blood on the Tracks (vinyl)
Dave's Picks 45 (still can't get enough of these shows)
5/9/77 (the new 77 shows sent me down a rabbit hole)
5/7/77

hope everyone has a great weekend. All this talk of hockey makes me jealous and slightly bitter that the Flyers are a shell of their former selves. Used to be a proud franchise that you could count on being in the playoffs most years but now they are so bad and so boring (and have been for a decade) that they are practically irrelevant in this town.

Only got to see him once in 1983.
Small venue called the Rainbow Music Hall at Monaco & Evans in Denver. Ticket says $10.20; how did they make a living at that price? Victor Bailey on bass by then. Excellent show and close up being a small venue. Band was on, especially Joe Z. Wayne was great but somewhat subdued, but they did do a couple of his own songs that I did not recognize. Went with some rockers who had never seen good jazz. They were suitably impressed.
Cheers to Wayne

DaP 15, 4-22-78 last listen

Take heart - Philly is a great sports town. The Flyers will rebuild, and they certainly always have a few elite players that make them watchable. If nothing else, they have the best coach in the league for sound bites. The stuff that Torts says is hilarious, and his blow ups with the press should be released on DVD. This guy could start a fist fight in an empty room. Better days ahead.

As for this DaP release, you are right - it’s fantastic. Two shows of pretty prime Dead. Pennies from Heaven. Or is that Go To Heaven?

Wow, we just talked about this tune at the store last night.

I was like, I only know one Dolly song,,,, Coat of Many Colors.

My bud like, you have to know Jolene?!?

I said no, we played. But while searching "the Tube", found a group called "The Petersens". A family group doing Jolene. The woman singer (one of the Petersens) had a very nice voice.

Bored, check the tube for the petersens and Jolene. ( Filmed in the family living room)

Jolene is my favorite Dolly Parton album - the only complaint is every song is under 3 minutes so just as i'm getting settled i have to get up again (i know, first world problems).

Back in 2005 (i think?) I went to a White Stripes concert in Berkeley and they played the song Jolene. Thought it was pretty cool.

What an incredible musician. I saw him play at the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley many years ago.

....open for the Dead at Laguna Seca in '88.

Sorry to hear about David Lindley. I saw him with Jackson Browne in 75ish, playing guitar, fiddle, lap steel, pretty well anything with strings! The man had great chops.

“ Let the music keep our spirits high
Let the buildings keep our children dry
Let creation reveal it's secrets by and by, by and by
When the light that's lost within us reaches the sky”
Before The Deluge

David Lindley!

I can't top what has been said about Wayne RIP kind sir, you were one of a kind. David Lindley was and still is one of those guys when you first heard him you were like, whoa who is that? So good, great sense of humor and El Ray-0 X was a great band. Never forget that first time I heard David Lindley play, and what a voice too. Love ya man, rest in peace my brother.
Last five:
El Ray-O X
Traffic first
Back Street Crawler The Band plays on
Arc Angles First
Dave's Picks #8

KPFA 94.1 FM Grateful Dead Marathon today 9am to 1am pst. Streamed on KPFA.org, GDRadio.net, nugs.net. 16 hours of unreleased Grateful Dead tapes, live in studio performances , host David Gans.

On it!! The t-shirt is way cooooool!!

Streaming KPFA now, great to just hear thirty minutes of Terrapin/Playin' and Charlie Miller comment. Like the synchronicity of knowing thousands are hearing the very same music at the exact same moment.