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    What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    ...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

    Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

    I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Give it a listen on archive

    You're welcome

  • billy the kiddd
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    Sells out immediately

    9/19 & 20/70.

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    It wasn’t me that raised the issue, I only mentioned that one factor that may be slowing sales is the international shipping rate of $16 per item, but it is what it is.
    But beyond that, I never give it much thought.

    Edit: No problem, 1st Show. It’s just I’m under oath, I want no problems with the law.

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    I think it was Crow or That Mike he is referring to DR. Had to do a double take myself and go back and see. Certainly an informed opinion running a store. There are tons of resellers on ebay and some of the prices are astronomical but as Colin said that's the free market at work. At those prices there must be a very limited market i.e. those with more money than sense. Makes me wonder if there is a way to protect the artist and maker from reproduction as well. I remember the big stew over cassette decks when they first arrived. And that first file sharing thing, was it Napster? Aren't some movies protected from being copied? But I digress. And clearly mine is an uniformed guess.
    Cheers
    Edit: Oops, sorry Mike.

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    That's an interesting post about the sale of cds, but I can't help wondering if you have mixed me up with someone else! My only comment on the sale of Dave's Picks was thinking that if they don't sell out quickly, then it's not so good, and that in this case it might mean we have had a surfeit of 1977 shows.
    That's a shocking figure, 50% of subscribers being people who buy to sell on in the first ten years. Screws everything up, I would say. But it's not something I usually think about.

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    ....banking points re give and take with ones life partner.
    And a happy wife is not an oxymoron.
    My wife got on me about concerts. She wants to raise chickens.
    So, we bought a coop. And the chicks need a ticket to enter it lol.
    Obligatory thank you to Dennis for the LP on LP dl's.

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    I respectfully disagree with your assessment Daverock but I am curious what your rebuttal would be to the situation I presented. What I want (tons of releases all year long) and what is realistic are two different things. I am a CD store owner and keep a very close eye on what's going on with eBay. As I indicated, there is some guesswork without knowing the specifics of the Rhino deal with the Dead or the budget they have to work with from quarter to quarter.

    What I do know is the sales history and sellout rate going back to Rhino's deal to distribute Grateful Dead. First was the Download Series - it was short lived. Why? It either failed because of file transfers between fans, which undercut sales. Or it was a pilot program to gage interest in the Grateful Dead so they could determine how many CDs to manufacture for each release in what would become the Road Trips series.

    Road Trips failed. It was not Limited Edition. Some will argue it failed because it sold partial shows, but in reality, they course course corrected on that quickly, and I think at least half were complete shows, mostly in the last half of the 4 year Road Trips program. Incomplete shows is not a good argument for the rebranding to Dave's Picks. We do know some things about Road Trips: 1) It failed or they would not have changed their business model to Limited Edition. 2) We also know if failed because they had stock on the shelves long after the program ended. Old stock of original pressings on CD / Record Store shelves is the kiss of death. This is why record stores were allowed to return LPs and CDs after initial shipments. That's how distribution to outlets works. Back in the day, Tower Records agrees to buy a huge number of U2's current release so they can sell it faster and cheaper, which ultimately led to more floor traffic in their store and lower prices. But this model relied on bulk purchasing, which required cash. Stores therefore had an "out" written into their deal, which allowed them to return unsold quantities to Distributers. Trust me when I tell you that turnaround is the main objective for small operations, since there is nobody to return these CDs to. They have their own private "thing" going on here with the Dead and other "expired" artists. Yes they have a large parent company and Rhino itself is nothing to shake a stick at but all of these little divisions still operating budgets and fiscal goals that need to be met, and these get reviewed quarterly in most companies. Road Trips did not survive the "mystery pressing" sales model (meaning we don't know how many CDs they pressed for Road Trips).

    3) Dave's Picks - Limited Edition + Subscription = success. They front-load their sales with subscriptions and sell what's left over. But there is motivation for buyers to subscribe. They save money, they get a bonus disc, and they don't have to worry about missing a release. But look at the small, safe numbers they started with. 12K per release. 48K a year. In steps the resellers. We have no idea how many sales go to resellers, but I would guess 50% of subscriptions went to resellers in the first 10 years of the Dave's Picks program. I've spoken to many of them. Some buy up to 100 units. Rhino does not allow this, but they have they're methods for working around the system. Keep in mind, for eBay seller selling a recent Dave's Picks, he has another copy of the same CD lined up to sell next. In other words, you can't just count the number of Dave's Picks CDs currently on sale. You have to assume most of them have several copies.

    The eBay box set and Dave's Picks reseller's bread and butter is the limited edition AND limited pressing model that Rhino took toward the business. It allowed resellers to hog up the merchandise like Harrison's little piggies and mark up the price. Same thing that's going on with concert tickets, except the home business entrepreneur can get a slice of this pie, because CDs are relatively inexpensive next to concert tickets, and relatively profitable if you can get away with a 50 to 70% mark up. But as I said in my previous post, THE EBAY BUBBLE HAS BURST. The casual go-getter can't get a piece of this market anymore. It's been on the decline for a few years as the Dave's Picks numbers increased in manufacturing, but more to the point, which you might have overlooked Daverock, is the massive increase in taxes and other fees that eBay sellers have to accept. They can no longer NOT pay the IRS. eBay reports their earnings to the IRS for anything over $600 starting this year, in the way of a 1099-K (and anyone looking to make money on ebay selling Grateful Dead CDs is Grossing more than $600).

    The US tax brackets are higher than a few years ago now too. As I stated in my last post, there is simply no money to be made by peddling Grateful Dead CDs on eBay anymore. Where they used to enjoy at least100% profit on the worst selling Dave's picks, maybe 300% profit on average demand Dave's Picks, and up to 600 - 1000% (or more) on the real hum-dingers, they're completely out in the cold now, because they've gone from paying a measly 13% in sellers fees (which they could get away with making back by bumping the CD price up $10 -$15) to 50% in most cases, depending on your tax bracket). And the CDs are no longer in demand, because of the growth / competition of eBay sellers, and the production increase up to 25K now for each Dave's Picks release. They'll be lucky to break even. The bubble burst and we're seeing it now. I also stated it wouldn't impact us overnight, but we'll see production numbers begin to decrease, and maybe an increase in time between box sets. I don't think it's a coincidence that the early bird pricing was extended this year (it may have been the subscription availability in general, I don't recall). One could also argue (and some have) that the demand for the Dead is going down (at least for 1977). This is natural I think, because so much is already available.

    I don't want this any more than any of us. I love all the new releases I can get. But I truly believe a large number of subscriptions were going to resellers, and resellers are leaving this market.

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    A case of “Happy wife, Happy life”, gents. Points banked come in handy.

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    I must be fairly open minded musically, because I occasionally get comments like:
    “That sounds like suicide music”
    “That makes me want to stick pins in my eyes”
    “What the hell is that??”
    “You’re making me ill “

    S’okay, because I like what I like, and I don’t care if anyone else likes it. I heard a person say to me “you have to see opera Live, to get the beauty of it”. Personally, the vocals are difficult for me to take. Really not big on that Northern European Death Metal either, with all of the low, growling voices that muddle the lyrics.
    And yet, give me 20 minutes of pure cacophony, I’ll love it!!
    It’s a fools errand to tear down something that others like, because the coin has 2 sides.
    Live and let Listen!!

    Now, back to my Henry Franklin “ TheSkipper At Home” album.
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What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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We want DARK STAR!!!

but they didnt ask me

Addendum
Theres the Dark Star
9 10 72
With David Crosby (ugh)

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To my simple ears, Jackson Browne's "Redneck Friend" remains David Lindley's greatest rock moment. It is just so kick ass, that song lifts me up every time and I never tire of it. Sizzling slide lines throughout.

Lazy day. Best kind, IMO. Been plugging a '52 Tele tribute into a Carr Skylark with an MXR Carbon Copy delay into an old MXR script Phase 45 on the front end. Magical... glass like tones that ring for days and the spring reverb on the Carr is to die for.

Last five:

Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III
Grateful Dead - Dave's Picks 45
Sonny Clark - Blues in the Night
Lenny Breau - Guitar Sounds
Beck, Bogert & Appice - Beck, Bogert & Appice

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so lucky to see him on tour with Jackson Browne years ago... nice notes Ledded, love that one too, Redneck Friend, a sort of anthem of my late teens. Great music and interview/stories of blues and bluegrass with Peter Rowan just streamed on KPFA, when they asked him to play more, he said let's get back to the music of the Dead... roll right into He's Gone.

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9/10/72 Dark Star> Jack Straw> Sing me Back Home, what a show! 10/31/70 they say the tapes have been found, Viola lee Blues > Cumberland Blues> Uncle Johns Band, lets hope for a release. KPFA, Fantastic Dead marathon.

I didn’t listen but checked out the setlist.
Piece these back together:

cloudsurfing

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Looks like DaP50 with bonus disc should be 9-9,10-72.

The returned reels list indicates 2 reels from 9-9, but nothing from 9-10.

09-9-72 Hollywood CA 1 x 10" REEL = + 1 REEL NOT ON INVENTORY*

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They said on the Grateful Dead marathon yesterday that the reels for 10/31/70 had been found.

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I've just had a look at the set lists and noticed that there were two shows played on this date - an early and a late. "Viola Lee Blues" seems to have been played at the early show.That would be worth the price of admission alone. It must have been one of the last times they played it.

Last night was listening to KPFA with the Viola Lee without knowing the show and when it segued into Cumberland I was totally WTF?? is this magic?? Then a killer fall '70 Uncle John's. Went to my very dog-eared copy of deadbase for guidance.

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Sounds like a candidate for a future Daves Picks to me.

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Dark Stars are just mind bending!! The best KPFA Marathon ever, IMHO. Started with 11/24/79 and just took off from there.

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....help me find it.
If Halloween '70 gets the nod, so help me.
If they have all of this, good lord....
Early....
Til The Morning Comes
Hard To Handle
Mama Tried
China -> Rider
Dire Wolf
Cold Rain & Snow
Me & My Uncle
Dark Hollow
Brokedown Palace
Viola Lee Blues ->
Cumberland ->
Uncle John's Band
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Late....
Casey Jones
Sugar Magnolia
Next Time You See Me
Cryptical ->
Drumz ->
TOO ->
Cryptical ->
Cosmic Charlie
Big Boss Man
Mama Tried
Hard To Handle
Drumz ->
Good Lovin'
St. Stephen ->
NFA ->
GDTRFB ->
NFA
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Sign me up! And don't you dare tease me.
I found my old tape of it. Unfortunately, I need a cassette player.

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It's starting to read like an obituary column on here.
But no disrespect intended - RIP Gary Rossington. I sort of saw Lynyrd Skynyrd at Knebworth in 1976. A massive festival headlined by The Stones. I had never heard Skynyrd before, and I was so high I couldn't tell my elbows from my knee caps. But I heard "Freebird" on the radio a few months later, and immediately dropped back into the zone - even though I had no conscious memory of having heard it before.
I have heard it since, a couple of years ago I got great dvd/cd of their show that day. It's an incredible live performance - no two ways about it.

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Being a transplant to Florida back in 72, Lynard Skynyrd was huge back then. Their first lp released on Sounds of the South records was all over the radio and Free Bird (worn out) was the Florida national anthem. These guys knew how to party and most of them loved to fight. Knock down drag outs that would usually end up with everyone bloody and laughing. Ronnie was their leader and a hard drinking fist fighting rebel if there ever was one. The first time I saw them was their welcome home tour back in 74, right after second helping had been released. Jo Jo Gunne opened the show. That's another story as they were the most professional rock band I had ever seen to that date.
The stars and bars was lowered and the William tell overture starts to play. As it reaches its' peak, Skynyrd comes out playing the opening song to their first lp, I anin't the one with that killer guitar sound that only Gary Rossington had at the time. Laid back and never flamboyant Gary could play the prettiest solo's you ever heard. After the plane crash that sidelined him for over a year, they regrouped as the Rossington-Collins band, released a lp and had a chick lead singer because they felt that no one could replace Ronnie. They did Freebird as an instrumental with a lone spotlight on the empty mic.
The story goes that Ronnie and Steve might have survived that plane crash if only they hadn't been up in the cockpit choking the shit out of the pilot for taking off without any fuel. RIP brother Gary, play it pretty.

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Will be playing Pronounced and Second Helping.
Recent new copies of the LPs replacing my long lost originals.
Pronounced was pressed in Czech Republic. 2nd was USA.
Songs of the South and MCA label on both.
Here's to Gary. Cheers

Edit: Listened to the new copy of Pronounced from Czech Rep. and was totally unimpressed with the pressing. Only heard it once before. Very dull sounding albeit clean. While getting that album out I also found an MCA reprint from BITD of the same album. Doesn't have the gatefold with the lyrics/notes inside like the original. Must have found it thrifting and didn't remember that when I bought the two new ones last year. Lo and behold the old MCA reprint totally killed the new one! Way more dynamic, louder, and so much clearer in the mids and highs. Just goes to show. The new Second Helping is much better. 180g and impressive sound from Analogue Productions pressed in USA by Quality Record Pressings from original analog masters and authorized by the record label. Got Needle & the Spoon cranked right now. What a difference!

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2nd helping, nice and clean for sure. Another one I pulled out of the back is Gimme back my Bullets, another great record. Ronnie didn't mind fighting, he liked to fight, but he did not like hand guns, worthless pos he used to say, always ruined a good fight,

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Available for pre-order.

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I love vinyl but I've got good tapes and the box set that has it. Gotta be better than the 4 LP boot that's missing songs at least. What else ya got? We need an announcement.
Cheers

Edit: So the resupply pre-order sold out in one day? How many? Stealth announcement too. Keep the presses rolling, at least so Kemo can get one.

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… how about another “New Years” performance release?! That would be very grateful!

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...JFC. Buffalo is better.
Yawn.
Yeah. I said it. PM me your discord.
The jerking over a show that never happened is....interesting. jk

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They are all overrated, lets face it. Still, at least something has sold out pretty soon after it has gone on sale. Even if it is a recording of a show most people have already had for years. On the positive side, it bodes well for re-releases of other shows that in the past have only been partially released. Like Fillmore East February 1970 and Winterland October 1974.

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Mornin', rockers!!!

I had intended to post this yesterday, but got caught in a massive traffic jam and didn't have time. So here we are........

Was driving to work and cranking 10/31/70 and smiling............

Decent recordings of both Stony Brook shows have been around for a long time, and the top notch DeLuca-Miller remasters of both shows (including the NRPS sets) have been around for several years, and are highly recommended. For anybody who needs/wants and doesn't feel like waiting until they're officially released, you know where to find me...........

Although they don't capture the over-the-top craziness of the Port Chester shows of a few days later, both Stony Brook shows are solid and perhaps the most complete audio artifacts from the Fall of 1970. Everything you expect from the Dead in 1970---rock and roll, Bakersfield, greasy Pigpen, jams, occasional oddball tunes woven tastefully into the audiuo tapesty. I would prefer that both nights be offically released as one issue, and it would probably sell out fast........

Also noticed that the GEMS remaster of 9/10/72 just hit general circulation...........

Music is the best means we have of digesting time...........

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Doc
Music comes from an icicle as it melts, to live again as spring water........

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You mean like punching and kicking and gouging eyeballs? Never enjoyed it much myself. Maybe that's why I never really got into Skynnrd. But don't tell Skynnrd cause they probably come kick my ass.

Interesting that a reissue of Cornell, a show that I would've assumed everybody and their moms already owned, evidently sold out in a couple hours, while meanwhile the new DaP which offers not one but two new very very good '77 shows for a fraction of the costs hasn't sold out yet. I guess Cornell is just that much of a THING now. Even tho Buffalo's better. (Yeah, I said it, too.)

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Any 1968, 69 or 70 box set is gone in a heartbeat. The complete Oct. 1974 Winter land shows, audio & video is gone in a flash., Dave that hint wasn't to subtle was it?

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With the Cornell 5-LP. Lots of confusion yesterday.
What is up with the "store" side of deadnet?
Typical don't have their stuff together roll out.
Would be helpful to know how many will be pressed this go-round.
Just another grateful day. Cheers

On the Cornell vinyl board I posted in 2018 that I wasn’t impressed with the vinyl release.
That’s because when I opened it the side with Scarlet->Fire had a huge smudge across it.
I eventually got it clean.

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"what's this fetish and obsession with vinyl????"

If I had a great sound system and the house to myself on a consistent basis...but I am frequently away from home when I am listening to the GD.

They tried to kill vinyl back in the day and I gave up on it. Besides, vinyl has NOISE and DUST and TIME LIMITS and you CAN'T TAKE IT IN THE CAR.

GRR.

RELEASE SOME FUCKING 1969 GD ON CD, YO!

Grumpy Grumpkins recedes back into his (descriptor of your choice) hole...

....it's actually very surprising to me. Never thought I would see them come back the way they have.
But 180g is nice, as is the larger artwork.
....must. resist....
I have been revisiting a lot of my old records since my wife got me a turntable for Christmas. Probably have over 500.
Tonight is a Dead Kennedys night methinks.

....classic record.
Followed that with In God We Trust Inc.
Realized a song in that it's a 45 rpm LP.
Thought I was having a stroke.
No offense Doc.
You got me DK.
Last five. In a roundabout way, I'm showing my hand.
Peter Gabriel announced his tour today by the way.

If you can get FW 69 shows on vinyl for a good price do it. It’s not just the CD’s copied to vinyl. The vinyl says Plangent which the CD’s don’t say.
A few months ago 2-28-69 was still going for around the original price, but last night I saw it for a lot more, so you may have missed the bus on that one.
11-10-67 also sounds spectacular on vinyl.

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Got my Dap 45 "glass" today. Ok, sure it's my vault, I'm a terrible reader. I guess I was expecting a "rocks" glass, NOT a shot glass!!!

I'm sorry Dave (though I'm sure Dave has no say), but 35 bucks for a shot glass?!?!?!?!?! Nice though the glass is. And it is a very nice shot glass. But 35 bucks. I felt like an idiot buying a rocks glass for 35, but a shot glass!

That picture on the left, that's what an idiot looks like. Sorry, super idiot because I'll probably the next 3 glasses!

Should have gotten the axe.

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RIP Ron "Pigpen" McKernan (September 8, 1945 – March 8, 1973)

fifty years ago today me and a buncha other weirdos were driving down from our forestry camp in Big Sur to our main HQ down in Los Osos (in between Morro Bay and San Luis Obispo) when the DJ on the radio station we were listening to announced Pigpen's passing...I was stunned...I had no idea how poor his health had turned and I also had no idea that seeing him perform with the band the previous year at The Hollywood Bowl would be his last public performance...

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Rhino has a 40th anniv.
Anything new in this?
Cheers

Yesterday I asked is that all ya got, we need an announcement. Voila! Bear's Choice 1LP (and maybe a digital download option?). Pigpen lives on!

...The Workingman's Axe is one of the All-Time Greats that I did not pass up on this website; the satisfaction of each chop is deliberate and ever-present.

Long live jerry's 10th finger.

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How is this not yet sold out? I love 10/2 ... 10/1 is nice to have but man that 10/2, especially the 4th disc!!! hottttttttt
25k copies, maybe getting close to a sell out>|? I have never seen a dave's sit this long ...

You are 100% correct.

I buy the vinyl for only stupid reasons. My Collection. I always have this vision that someday my son will either love it or get a small fortune for it.

I too seldomly sit and listen like that anymore. Mostly in front of the computer while working or in car or while cooking.

I think in our old age we look to collection SOMETHING.

Vinyl, cheaper than guns, smaller than cars!

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50th Anniversary download now available for per order!

Based on the continual screw ups by Dead.net over digital downloads, there is no way I'm ordering this until at least June!

We return you now to your regularly scheduled madness.

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Dead & Co. at Barton Hall.
A tie-in to the vinyl release, LOL?
Will they play the same setlist?
March GD Bulletin in email.
Cheers

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