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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #7141
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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

  • #7142
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    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    in the queue...

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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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    ...On behalf of the group"

    Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

    Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 04/16/2023 - 05:26

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DL has the post-drumz section on this week's Tapers Section, with Believe It or Not in the ballad slot. I'm not familiar with any of the mid-summer West Coast '88 shows and this slice sounded really fine. When I've got more time will head back to the whole show. Also this week has the '74 Dark Star from the International Amphitheater, a personal favorite. Enjoy the rest of the weekend folks.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/16/2023 - 08:09

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Sounds good Bluecrow. Will definitely have time for this one today.

I am pretty sure we will get some sort of announcement this week.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 04/17/2023 - 04:16

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Right on BC, we are indeed getting some tasty official clips recently, aren't we? 8-1-73, too on JOTW....

I wore the heck out of my XLII S tape of 7-31-88 especially because it was a 1st gen DAT to cassette transfer and was so delightfully crispy...7-29 has that complete PITB officially enshrined on the SMR compilation, 7-30 tends to be the one I've not tapped into yet...

I still have 4-14-71 set for a headphone listen and, since it's been a while, the legendary Princeton Rap will be on deck after a revisit to Monterey California 1988.

P.S. Not Robotic

Really fun show - glad to finally hear that and whets my appetite to hear other 2 shows plus those from the Greek previous week. WTJ - did not realize the Playing was from SMR box (don't own) but listening to it last night I was like damn this one is pretty crazy and then it came back to the reprise! Jerry also went off on the Deal! Greek and LS had the West Coast debuts for all those songs like Foolish Heart that they broke out in the Midwest a few weeks earlier. Like i mentioned, the post drumz segment is really fine - Wheel > Gimme Some Lovin > Believe It Or Not . Sugar Magnolia

Went with the Miller SBD - sounds very fine but still a couple gens from the masters. Be aware that the track listing is off after Set I with a crowd noise > Black Muddy River encore dropped in before Set II but not reflected in the track listing (a not uncommon problem I've found.) Phil is solid in the mix and aggressive in his playing.

and, keep your cool, Dave is serving up some Vancouver '66 as the first clip on this weeks Tapers.

gotta head down to the mine . . . . have a good week folks.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/17/2023 - 11:37

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Enjoyed the show Bluecrow. Recording is good, has it moments as you stated. I like the IKo IKo start, nice Queen Jane. Interesting China-Crazy Fingers-Rider, can't remember a sequence like that. That Playing was funky. Thanks BC.

Announcement tomorrow?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/18/2023 - 03:04

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Good morning, fellow rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Purdue University April 18 1969

I want to go ahead of Father Time with a scythe of my own…..

There were many fine shows in April 1969, all of which get substantial love and respect. So instead of discussing those, let’s try something a little different………….

Greasy Hard To Handle to open, followed by a powerful Dew, after which the band dives deep into a raucous CE/TOO/CE suite, exiting seamlessly into Sittin’ On Top Of the World. The wonderful wired weirdness continues with King Bee, Doin’ That Rag, Lovelight (27:27), and Cosmic Charlie. The Dead then close out the festivities with Beat It On Down The Line—an unusual occurrence in 1969, or any other year…………..

Miller’s remaster is very decent and worthy of a listen……….

Beauty is in the heart of the beholder….

Rock on!

Doc
After people have repeated a phrase a great number of times, they begin to realize it has meaning and may even be true......

I was able to get a headphone listen in yesterday, something I do when I want a closer listen and am not in a position to play it loud on a stereo. Soundboard could use some professional cleaning up but was decent if not a little distorted at times. I would call it a good, solid show but not with many moments that stood out more brightly than others. A show like this would be a swell addition to an April 1971 boxed boxy box set.

Anyway, I have a lot on the table with 7-29-88 I wanted to check out and 4-17-71 which I haven't listened to in forever and is a classic. Looking forward to more FUN picks.

Maybe we can do this Day in Grateful Dead history as an alternate for POT Day when we are in line for extra credit?

Here's some Grateful Dead you HAVE to hear!!! 8-14-81 is a permutation...(not calling it, but you see what I did there)

:-) :-) :-) Have a Grateful Day

P.S. Not a Robot

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/19/2023 - 06:40

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I am convinced this show is being saved as the centerpiece of an April 71 box, or series of boxes. It has x factor. What exactly remains from April, a lot is my back of the napkin.

The start of set II on 4-17 is sui generis and all of set I is on target. I am in the return jam after the drum solo in Good Lovin right now and I am going to stay tuned in. It has been a while for me on this one but it is a known classic.

Stay Grateful all :-)

-edit- Sold! Brooklyn Bridge for a buck and a quarter. What more you want for a buck and a quarter? :-)
-edit 2- Backing vocals in SMBH, is that Weir on falsetto?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 03:51

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To me, music is that which connects human hearts, it is something that takes you to unknown levels...........

Day off, up too early, walked dogs, not enough coffee, let's roll!!!

Providence Civic Center, April 20, 1983. The first of five shows we saw on the tour, and after the fine Boston show in the Fall of 82, the first tour where we really worked hard to see more than one show. Were parts of New Haven and Philly better, musically speaking? Maybe. As I recall, Providence was tons of fun and a fine show.........

A Cumberland that maybe even JimInMD could love. Fine China/Rider to close the first set. Esau---new to us but enjoyable---to open the second set. Ho hum, another Estimated/Eyes. And Morning Dew. I never saw a Star but I caught lots of Dews and enjoyed them all..............

Miller's remaster has some glitches and patches, but overall listenable and worthy.........

Not all the 80s were bad, in fact we saw lots of fun shows and even a couple of classics..........so.......

Rock on!!

Doc
Music is the expression of the movement of the waters, the play of curves described by changing breezes......

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 04:09

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Has WilfredTJones fallen into the 1971 rabbit hole? Sir, what's gotten into you?!!!

Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live.....

Rock on, more coffee,

Doc
I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to go crazy..........

it's a good day to have the day off! Happy 420 to all. Been traveling, catching up now. Looking forward to 46.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 01:26

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Day late, but 4/20/83, now you're speaking my language. mmmmmmmmmmmmm...coffee. ;-)

-edit- It's been a while since I listened to 4/8/71 Boston, so I was thinking about hitting that big one if possible after 4/20. April '71 has been nice, but I've only done 4/14 and 4/17, with 4/17 getting the big nod from me.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 04:31

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Hey rockers!!

Dare I mention Providence 1971? No, let's wait until next year...................

Although it is super crunchy!!!

Here is your throat back, thanks for the loan.................

Rock on!

Doc
You should be made to wear earphones

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 05:46

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It's been a holiday as far back as I can remember.

Which was yesterday.................

A good memory is one trained to forget the trivial............

Rock on,

Doc
A retentive memory may be a good thing, but the ability to forget is the true token of greatness......

4/19 just rolled on by - thought I might go with Dave's 20, 12/9/81 Boulder, which had cover art that referenced that momentous occasion. Not sure if its been a POTD anytime halfway recent. Doesn't seem to get much love as a release. I saw the Rosemont show 3 nights earlier with that gorgeous To Lay Me Down. High school buddy was at Boulder and he loved it. Remember getting a letter from him a few weeks later, written as he listened to a tape of the show with a big old smoking crater Other One.

4/20/83 was a fun listen. Will revisit.

Have a great weekend folks. With the hockey playoffs underway, and as a lifelong Blackhawks fan, all I gotta say is Go Cubs!!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 17:26

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Hey BC, #20 is a great release and I believe I offered it up a couple years ago. Would love to listen to it again. Let's do it.

Gave 4/20/83 a listen. Good show. Recording was in the decent range.

Minnesota's old team, Dallas at the Wild tonight in St. Paul, and still cold as hell here.

Hope you are all enjoying some warm weather.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/22/2023 - 02:31

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I hear there's a great Ollin Arageed Space>Shakedown from Fall 78, I'm not sure which show that is yet, 11/13/78?, 11/23/78?

Anyway, Happy Weekend! Stay Grateful :-)

-edit- Checking out the new Moskel Audience transfer of 11/23/78, the show before the well-known FM 11/24/78. Someone calls out for St. Stephen in the first set. Donna is in fine voice on the Looks Like Rain. May save set II for tomorrow, but that set II looks like a doozy... ;-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 04:00

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Set II Samson for a Sunday, Rare set II FOTD (for a Sunday), Dancin' is catching fire on the AUD tape, eliciting a hearty East Coast cheer - we'll see what the rest of the evening brings.... ;-)

Nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)

-edit- Oh, there's a Joani Walker. I just have to see how it compares, because the Moskal has been grate so far on a headphone listen. The East Coast crowd is psyched...traversing the drum solo now, on the way to.... :-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 17:05

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I think there were a few set II versions. One from Cleveland in March of 81 comes to mind. Maybe I'll tune into that or sleuth out some more just for fun.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:42

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Perversely fascinating intrusions, but thanks for the quick boot! Sheesh.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:45

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I was getting creeped out.
Cheers to Marye

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 16:56

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Well done Mary.

Looking at 3/21/90 for tomorrow. Copps Hamilton.

Any shipping notifications out there yet?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 22:14

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My guess is 12/30/78. I am not seeing those songs played in the order listed, the second set comes pretty close here and the Space/Ollin Arrageed is indeed out there.

Set 2:
I Need A Miracle
Bertha
Good Lovin'
Scarlet Begonias
Fire On The Mountain
Playin' In The Band
Shakedown Street
Drums
Ollin Arrageed
St. Stephen
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Around And Around

Sure glad they got the spam thing tamed.. We Don't Need No More Trouble.....Trouble we don't need.

Check it out, 11/23/1978 Capital Centre in Landover, MD. Really nice little Thanksgiving show. It was on a Thursday and Bob wishing the Audience and crew a happy Thanksgiving before the encore.

I went through it with the Moskal source and wasn't disappointed except the cut at the end of Playing into Around. The Joani Walker is complete and does not cut.

Have a Grateful Day all. :-)

Setlist
Mississippi Half-Step
Franklin's Tower
New Minglewood Blues
Stagger Lee
Looks Like Rain
Tennessee Jed
Passenger
Brown Eyed Women
Music Never Stopped

Samson and Delilah
Friend of the Devil
Dancin' in the Streets
Terrapin Station
Playin' in the Band
drums (Ollin Arageed Space)
Shakedown Street
Playin' in the Band
Around and Around

U.S. Blues

P.S. They were jamming on Ollin Arageed out of drums quite a bit in 78 especially in Nov./Dec.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 01:50

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Hey rockers!!!

If you haven't listened to April 25, 1971, then get crunchy!!!

You will find truth more quickly through delight than gravity. Let out a little more string on your kite......

Rock on,

Doc
I'm so down to earth, I'm bringing gravity back.......

about 3-21-90 :-D COPPS

-edit 3-21-90 set I Intense and Satifying, Loose Lucy stole my face. Tight Victim>SOTM combo. Set II I saw Estimated>He's Gone. Oh, and it's got a set II...you know what ;-)

Thanks DV make it grateful :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 09:02

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A local show for me.. but a couple years before I got hooked.

I was looking at a stale screen and replied before I saw your subsequent post. Ooops..

Funny thing about the Capital Centre, the tapes sound fine but unless you are in the sweet spot, that venue had terrible sound. Oh, and the Maryland State Police had a thing for the GD. Parish talks about Maryland having a phonebook thick document detailing the shinanagans that came with dead shows and the Capital Centre filled the parking lot with police on horseback to make sure we weren't smiling on a cloudy day. Saw quite a few shows there but was happy when they blew the thing up in December 2002.

Just getting back from a little time away. Mucho yardwork awaits.. then life as normal.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 02:32

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4-21-71. Going to hit it...

May be my inaugural listen here...

-edit- Truckin'>Drums in the first set, 5 songs in?!? Talk about youthful energy and exhuberance...I see what you mean FD (the) 11....

-edit 2- It's got a Cumberland and where the heck is the set break?!? I'm going with a blind inaugural listen here.

Have a Grateful Day all....

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 06:19

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Hey rockers!!

April 26 beckons...........

4/26/69-can't go wrong with April 69
4/26/70-the great unknown
4/26/71-crunchy, greasy, jammy
4/26/72-creamy smooth gooey goodness

Decisions decisions decisions, take your pick. I went with Europe 72, a tour that never fails to deliver. I was going to listen to York Farm, but I seem to have misplaced it......

We must make the choices that enable us to fulfill the deepest capacities of our real selves.......

Rock on,

Doc
Most consequential choices involve shades of gray, and some fog is often useful in getting things done.....

What a show hey WTJ. Funny to me at least I always thought 3/22/90 was the better Hamilton show, but wow this show is no slouch. But are there any subpar shows from Spring 1990? I don't think so.
Love the start to this show, Half Step with a Minglewood, Queen Jane, Loose Lucy and a first set Standing on the Moon. Love these Hey Pocky Ways, a Crazy Fingers, Cumberland! Yes. Interesting and good Estimated into He's Gone and a good finish after Drums and Space. Love the Multi Track shows from this era.. On my home system I can definitely hear the difference.

Maybe this year we get another Multi Track Box?

Who has a pick for tomorrow? OB? Jim?
No tracking here yet.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 01:33

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I decided to give this a show a listen, after people here did me the courtesy of listening to a show I suggested a few weeks ago. In truth ( you might need smelling salts now) this is the first 1990 show I have actually listened to for a year or two. Consequently, the songs I enjoyed most are the songs unique to the Brent era, rather than ones I am so familiar with from the Keith era. The highlight of set one, for me is "Victim - Standing On The Moon" a real change in energy from anything in the past. Similarly, I enjoyed "Hey Pock Way" most in the second set. I winced in anticipation, when I saw they were going to play"Crazy Fingers" - a seemingly difficult song to pull off live - but I was pleasantly surprised.
I think I'll look in the Taping Compendium later, and see if my observations tally with what they say.

Postscript - I've just had a look in the Taping Compendium, and I'm way off beam! Quite a short review compared to the others - maybe not the best show to start off with for 1990?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 03:16

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It's where I intuitively went this morning. Tightness describes the first 3 tunes so far.

Going to explore furthur... :-D

-edit- fing jerry encouraging bobby with the estimated call out of scarlet . .. .lol haha prankster jerry edit 2 maybe a little too much into ship instead of the wheel big key change. wheel would have flowed smooth

how many estimated>wheels? there's a rabbit hole i'd like to go down :-) :-) :-)

*spoiling the suspense 12-14-80 (1 time only)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 05:38

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Alright WTJ, 3/16/90 sounds good to me.
Thanks!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 00:44

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Trying to remember which Jan/Feb. 78 show had that Stronger than Dirt Jam. It's brief, but it's there.

Oh, BTW that Estimated>Wheel from 12-14-80 is pretty well executed, but different than it would have been in Spring 90.

:-) :-) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 01:45

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4/28/71

There, I said it. No regrets. Doesn't get any better.

Music is given to us with the sole purpose of establishing an order in things, including, and particularly, the coordination between man and time......

Rock on, or not,

Doc
Music is my friend, my constant companion......

With appreciation for all you do, have done and will. I always thought time was invented so that everything didn't happen all at once. Which it did 13.8 billion years ago with the big bang. Before that, there was music. Isn't it just so human that up until a hundred years or so ago, we thought the dinosaurs were around until a few thousand years back, we didn't know how old our petroglyphs were... And it's taken almost this long before there's a primal, late 60s box set to be announced...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 12:02

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Another fine Spring 90 WTJ. Always enjoyed shows that started out with Let the Good Times Roll and then into Touch of Gray. Great Bird Song, Blow Away.
Nice Scarlet into Estimated, Bobby loved the yelling during this time period. Solid finish. The Last Time encore! Great show.

I will hit 4/28/71 next.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 03:40

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Pre-empting the Doctor. Going with the Moore since the Board is incomplete and the Moore is moore than tolerable...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 04:01

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Holy Grateful Dead Batman, I've been pre-empted! Ouch, that hurts!!!

Here we are, April 29. The eternal debate, 28th vs 29th. Some shows are Overrated, with a cap O (8/27/72, 5/8/77, etc) and some are overrated-lower case O. I think the 29th gets the lower case version.

Does an Alligator, Midnight Hour, and We Bid you Goodnight trump the best ever versions of El Paso, The Rub, Cumberland Blues, Morning Dew, and Hard To Handler, along with a cracklin' Other One and short yet dreamy Dark Star? Listen and decide for yourself, Miller's remaster is top notch.

In years gone by, Deadbase polls always rated the 29th higher than the 28th, which I never understood. Don't get me wrong, it's fine as fine can be, but even excellent can fall short when it follows sublime............

Honesty is wonderful, but I suspect it's also overrated.

Rock on,

Doc
Whoever you talk to, I'm either overrated or underrated......
P.S. I will be listening---and cranking!!---the 29th on my way to my car dealer in just a few minutes......

Due the fact that I now only ever listen to this 4cd comp of these shows that came out twenty odd years ago, and only ever have done since it came out - I can no longer tell these shows apart. I know the Dark Star jam with T.C. is from the 28th and the Alligator jam from 29th, but apart from that, it's all a bit of a mystery. Strange how they used to release multi show comps like this without indicating which song came from which show.
Goes without saying that everything on it is essential wherever it came from.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 07:42

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Another one DR has found for me in my collection.
Likewise have not heard it in many years.
An anniversary listen does seem in order.
Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen.
Cheers

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sun, 04/30/2023 - 10:17

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Hey Daverock, the Wikipedia entry includes show dates in the Track Listing. Think I'll head back down that direction myself. . .

Jeffsmith - thanks, I'll have a look later. Without looking, I'm pretty sure the "Cumberland " comes from 28th - I can still remember listening to that on a tape back in the 80's - one of the best versions.
Unfortunately I think I was a bit rash saying everything on this set is essential. While the rest of this first cd is as good as I remember - better if anything - I really can't be doing with the last 15 minutes of "Good Lovin'. To the extent that the next time I play it , I'll miss that bit out. The bit leading into drums is dynamic - but that rap......I notice we have a 22 minute Lovelight on the 2nd cd, which I can't remember. Hopefully more music than vocals.

I was quite surprised looking on wiki how many tracks on Ladies and Gentlemen are actually taken from 4/25. I don't know why, but I had always assumed that nearly all of it came from the 28th and 29th.

To me, the 2nd cd seems to follow the same pattern as the 1st cd. Some really well played shorter songs leading to a really well played longer one that unfortunately degenerates into another Pigpen atrocity. But that doesn't detract from the rest of it - hopefully. I don't know if The Dead ever played with such conviction and power on songs under 10 minutes than they do here. Truly great music that owes nothing to extended jamming. Songs that have become over familiar, like Sugar Magnolia sound fresh and energetic-this one gradually losing it's country stylings on the way to becoming full blown rocker. El Paso is another one - beautifully sung.

There are a lot of covers on this album- I counted 23 over the 4 cds, with Goin' Down The Road cropping up twice.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 05/01/2023 - 05:20

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An atrocity is when innocents are killed. Which is what I have to deal with today.

A Pigpen song you don't care for is merely that, and nothing else. So next time, choose your words more wisely....

Doc

I am sorry my last post caused offence. And that you have such a difficult job.
I have to say, though, that your own choice of words left something to be desired. I am happy to listen to advice from anyone, but to be talked down to and told what to do? Forget it.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 02:53

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For some comic relief, google the horse race.

Anyway, who's got an 80's or 90's pick? Anything but Highgate or Boreal?

:-) :0) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 04:31

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Mornin', rockers!!

If it's May 3, it must be Paris in 1972.

The exquisite China/Rider. Garcia's sublime, country-tinged picking in Next Time You See Me. The dreamy, propulsive psychedelia of Playing In The Band. A soulful Sing Me Back Home. The very fine, weaving-and-bobbing, in-and-out, focally intense jamming in the Truckin'/Other One. The Dead never played better, or sounded better. It might not be my favorite E72 show (that might still be May 26), but it is classic. So give it a spin............

Oh, I almost forgot. For all you Pigpen haters, there's 16 minutes of an atrocious Good Lovin'. So you might wanna skip that.................

Somebody said The 80s???? How about Carrier Dome October 1984? Ask Angry Jackstraw about that one. Maybe New Haven Spring 83, that one gave me a brain melt. There is actually much to be enjoyed in the 80s, if I remember correctly.............

Rock on,

Doc
Rick (to Ilse): "We'll always have Paris"..............