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  • #971
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    There is a great video of the Allman Brothers doing Whipping Post from 9/23/70 . Why is this important? Because the Dead played there 9/17,18, 19, & 20/70, maybe they video taped the Dead and these tapes exist. That would be the ultimate if that was the case. This video was probably shot by the Fillmore East staff, and the same was done for the Dead.

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    Another sparkling show - maybe the best band performance of the first three shows in this collection. Keith seems more present at this one. I like the sound of these shows as well as the playing - very strong and clear. I get the impression they were quite loud if you were there.
    As the 73 box is due tomorrow, I think I will save the Red Rocks shows for a bit. Maybe next weekend.
    Looking at the posts on the 73 board it's fingers crossed for tomorrow! Reading Oro's post below, I would think these shows are just too long to be top drawer all the way through. I'm really looking forward to hearing them all - but these long 73 shows all had some slow moments from what I have heard.

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    That's the spirit.. I am sure they have looked at everything they have and are spreading things out to last.

    Speaking of 1980, like many I really liked Dave's Picks 8. Great sound, spirited show.. worthy.

    Well.. I've been in my kayak everyday for about a week.. I'm comletely spent and recharging my batteries today listening to a little fine 1978 GD.

    Thanks for lifting my spirits Oro and BTK. I guess there are plenty of good shows to come. I hope they still have a trick or three up their sleeves too. Things we might not know exist or do not expect. It's kind of cruel to drop a '69 banana box on us and never hear another mention, don't you think?

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    Winter land Oct 1978 Great shows, & Winter land March 1977 great shows, two future boxes.

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    Jim’s back with a big blast

    Street legal? I didn’t think public consumption was legal anywhere, technically of course, now in reality…

    Carful about splinters on that flag pole, bet there’s a nice breeze up there though!

    78 box. I didn’t get cause I turned my nose up “ohhh, I don’t need that…” IDIOT!
    Prolly pissed that it wasn’t something i “wanted”? Whatevs…idiot!
    That and I knew I could get copies off my cousin…, but still, IDIOT!
    I do have copies so I’ve heard it, and at first was like meh. But after “discovering” spring 78 and how much I liked it, I’ve come to a different realization of the year and box, but…but, I should spend some more time, just when…?

    Made it through 73 box once so far. Haven’t been getting the best listens in (these shows are so long) and it’s just not a good time of year to completely clear mind and listen hard for 4 or 5 hours.

    I think the sound is mostly great, the art was nice, and the shows are good, (the packaging was not practical) but I respectfully disagree that their all top shelf. They all have moments, but I didn’t feel like they were at that level for the whole show, which is why I wouldn’t call em all top shelf…so, a solid enjoyable box from one of my favorite years, but I think there’s still better…

    So, I respectfully disagree that we’re running out of high caliber shows, definitely diminished but, consider just some of these: first and foremost I’d say the first six shows of 73 are as good or better than these. 2/9 is good, but way overhyped due to years of taper bias. I think it’s as good as most of the shows in the box, but not as good as the other five, but would be a good center point of a very strong box!
    I still think there’s good primal, though why they won’t break out I can’t fathom…
    There’s still some killer shows from late 71 after KG joined…certainly some hot spring shows too, but not sure they’d sell as well?
    There’s still some killer fall 72, though you’d think they’d wait on that a bit!
    A plethora of 73! Winter, spring, summer, fall…(ok, prolly will never see a horn tour box) but some representation would be nice. I still say Providence, or Syracuse would make a nice WOTF 50th bonus since their killer shows and have the most songs off the album (6 I think?).
    Unless they did a Winterland 74 redo (which I don’t see), 74 prolly doesn’t have a box left.
    76 could do another summer box
    77 I hope not as it’s over represented, comparatively, but I’m sure there’s some small holes still
    78: Spring still has some great shows, some Betty’s, and possibly fall, but I’m not as up on those yet?
    79…? not sure about a box? If they made it a 79 box of the whole year, than absolutely!
    80, same thing. Of course that’s predicated on Fall tapes not being available…otherwise!
    I could name lots of 80s, especially early, but of course that means cassettes, which to some immediately discounts or outright disqualifies…to each there own. I think their getting pretty damn good at fixing them up, but whatevs…
    Still hope someday, unfortunately I don’t see it soon, but someday we’ll get a summer 85.
    86 through 88, prolly not, though when we’re gone or not as involved, maybe they’ll market something 87 for all the touchers? Of course if they did more venue boxes, i.e., Greek, Frost etc, many of these could come into play

    But!!, but, there is still a fine trove of untapped Multies from 89, especially the fall tour (wtf Dave?) and lots of good DATs from the nineties which did have some consistently good tours: summer 90, fall 91, summer 91, some call out spring 91, but I’ve not spent enough time there yet to opinion?
    I could argue others, but I don’t see it from a marketing standpoint?
    I’m sure heads are spinning and many would argue otherwise. But I’ve put the time in, and if you strip the preconceived pretentious BS and just listen, you’d be surprised.
    And though there may NOT be enough good/consistent left for a lot of boxes, there’s tons of individual and small runs, that are very good GD. Hell, they could always do another 30 trips, say for the 60th in gulp, 2 years!
    I mean, I get what yer saying, but the more I dig through the years, all the years, I’m still finding juicy nugs of goodness, even some hiding up there where mama hides the cookies!
    Be well, stay cool all!
    In fact, stay inside where it’s cool, and PLAY DEAD!

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    What a surprise that box was.. love that box. The June '76 recordings seemed to be on the same level (excellent) but the energy was not quite there.

    So we have two May '77 Betty Boxes (both excellent) and a June '76 and July '78 box (again, both excellent with a big nudge going to 1978). With Spring '73 and October '72 boxes released, I hate to say it but I am not sure I see a long stream of shows at this high caliber. Let's hope Dave has some more surprises up his sleeve.

    It's been so damned hot here in the East the last week.. and with my air conditioner on the fritz, the only way I could find to break the heat was to take off all my clothes and perch myself on the top of the telephone pole in the town park. Looking at temperatures across the county (and globe), I expect many of you were in the same predicament.

    I'm going to hit some of the July box this afternoon.. might start with the second set of 7/5 and work my way backwards to 7/1. 7/7 and 7/8 deserve special treatment and a large span of uninterrupted time.

    oh.. Maryland went legal on 7/1. It did not take long for at least the streets in the mountainous parts to smell like a Grateful Dead Concert.. was that haze in the sky residual smoke from the Great Canadian fires of 2023 or celebratory smoke signals from the newest state to go street legal? I never expected this to happen in my lifetime.. little by little they are decriminalizing the freak flag.

    Happy summer all.. thanks for keeping up the good vibes and keeping the picks on-point.

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    Always dug that and considered it the sleeper. All Over Now, check that out. As Jim would say, Wowow stuff. Also, the meat of set II is where it's at. Of course, the Weirdness>Wharf Rat but that whole set II jam sequence is powerhouse stuff. Plus, don't they encore with Promised Land? May be sui generis, only time that happened. Anyway, great stuff with the Oroboros sculpture in the back watchin' over things... :-)

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    When this was first released I said this was the sleeper of the batch. SO damn good and under the radar. Having heard 2 of the 5 shows already 7-3 impressed me the most at the time and still is impressive.
    The July '78 box is the best box design of the lot IMO.
    Cheers
    7-8-78 cued up on the tape deck. Aside from the tape flip the late-90s bootleg CD source was superb sound. Easily equal to the official release. In some ways better in that I can hear the amps buzzing right before the 2nd set begins.

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    Yes, it sounds like a great time to have seen them. I agree with Deadvikes - 7/3 is another top show. Especially the second set. The pre drums jam seemed like the highlight- in fact I was going to miss out the drums and following songs. It would have been a mistake, though - NFA and Stella Blue are also exceptional.#
    I have just had a look in the Taping Compendium, to see what they though of this show. Not much, by the looks of things! Oh well - my gain.

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    I do feel lucky DV. Got to see 4 shows in a row so to speak.
    7-7-78 Listened from the parking lot dodging security. Had to work, got off early, went without a ticket, ended up rescuing stranded friends who were having a little tiff with their ride.
    7-8-78 Technically my first show. A rip-snorter if there ever was one to end the tour. Now with legendary status.
    8-30-78 The very next show. They loved Red Rocks and rewarded us with the new Shakedown tunes. Short notice almost unannounced dates added to begin the tour. Just exactly perfect and so different from the July shows.
    8-31-78 Capping off a monumental couple of months for me.
    Those were the daze. Not so sure I got on the bus so much as the bus whizzed by and an arm grabbed me by the collar and pulled me in. A life saving gesture by the band, or so it felt.
    Cheers

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 04/16/2023 - 05:26

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DL has the post-drumz section on this week's Tapers Section, with Believe It or Not in the ballad slot. I'm not familiar with any of the mid-summer West Coast '88 shows and this slice sounded really fine. When I've got more time will head back to the whole show. Also this week has the '74 Dark Star from the International Amphitheater, a personal favorite. Enjoy the rest of the weekend folks.

Sounds good Bluecrow. Will definitely have time for this one today.

I am pretty sure we will get some sort of announcement this week.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 04/17/2023 - 04:16

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Right on BC, we are indeed getting some tasty official clips recently, aren't we? 8-1-73, too on JOTW....

I wore the heck out of my XLII S tape of 7-31-88 especially because it was a 1st gen DAT to cassette transfer and was so delightfully crispy...7-29 has that complete PITB officially enshrined on the SMR compilation, 7-30 tends to be the one I've not tapped into yet...

I still have 4-14-71 set for a headphone listen and, since it's been a while, the legendary Princeton Rap will be on deck after a revisit to Monterey California 1988.

P.S. Not Robotic

Really fun show - glad to finally hear that and whets my appetite to hear other 2 shows plus those from the Greek previous week. WTJ - did not realize the Playing was from SMR box (don't own) but listening to it last night I was like damn this one is pretty crazy and then it came back to the reprise! Jerry also went off on the Deal! Greek and LS had the West Coast debuts for all those songs like Foolish Heart that they broke out in the Midwest a few weeks earlier. Like i mentioned, the post drumz segment is really fine - Wheel > Gimme Some Lovin > Believe It Or Not . Sugar Magnolia

Went with the Miller SBD - sounds very fine but still a couple gens from the masters. Be aware that the track listing is off after Set I with a crowd noise > Black Muddy River encore dropped in before Set II but not reflected in the track listing (a not uncommon problem I've found.) Phil is solid in the mix and aggressive in his playing.

and, keep your cool, Dave is serving up some Vancouver '66 as the first clip on this weeks Tapers.

gotta head down to the mine . . . . have a good week folks.

Enjoyed the show Bluecrow. Recording is good, has it moments as you stated. I like the IKo IKo start, nice Queen Jane. Interesting China-Crazy Fingers-Rider, can't remember a sequence like that. That Playing was funky. Thanks BC.

Announcement tomorrow?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/18/2023 - 03:04

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Good morning, fellow rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Purdue University April 18 1969

I want to go ahead of Father Time with a scythe of my own…..

There were many fine shows in April 1969, all of which get substantial love and respect. So instead of discussing those, let’s try something a little different………….

Greasy Hard To Handle to open, followed by a powerful Dew, after which the band dives deep into a raucous CE/TOO/CE suite, exiting seamlessly into Sittin’ On Top Of the World. The wonderful wired weirdness continues with King Bee, Doin’ That Rag, Lovelight (27:27), and Cosmic Charlie. The Dead then close out the festivities with Beat It On Down The Line—an unusual occurrence in 1969, or any other year…………..

Miller’s remaster is very decent and worthy of a listen……….

Beauty is in the heart of the beholder….

Rock on!

Doc
After people have repeated a phrase a great number of times, they begin to realize it has meaning and may even be true......

I was able to get a headphone listen in yesterday, something I do when I want a closer listen and am not in a position to play it loud on a stereo. Soundboard could use some professional cleaning up but was decent if not a little distorted at times. I would call it a good, solid show but not with many moments that stood out more brightly than others. A show like this would be a swell addition to an April 1971 boxed boxy box set.

Anyway, I have a lot on the table with 7-29-88 I wanted to check out and 4-17-71 which I haven't listened to in forever and is a classic. Looking forward to more FUN picks.

Maybe we can do this Day in Grateful Dead history as an alternate for POT Day when we are in line for extra credit?

Here's some Grateful Dead you HAVE to hear!!! 8-14-81 is a permutation...(not calling it, but you see what I did there)

:-) :-) :-) Have a Grateful Day

P.S. Not a Robot

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/19/2023 - 06:40

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I am convinced this show is being saved as the centerpiece of an April 71 box, or series of boxes. It has x factor. What exactly remains from April, a lot is my back of the napkin.

The start of set II on 4-17 is sui generis and all of set I is on target. I am in the return jam after the drum solo in Good Lovin right now and I am going to stay tuned in. It has been a while for me on this one but it is a known classic.

Stay Grateful all :-)

-edit- Sold! Brooklyn Bridge for a buck and a quarter. What more you want for a buck and a quarter? :-)
-edit 2- Backing vocals in SMBH, is that Weir on falsetto?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 03:51

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To me, music is that which connects human hearts, it is something that takes you to unknown levels...........

Day off, up too early, walked dogs, not enough coffee, let's roll!!!

Providence Civic Center, April 20, 1983. The first of five shows we saw on the tour, and after the fine Boston show in the Fall of 82, the first tour where we really worked hard to see more than one show. Were parts of New Haven and Philly better, musically speaking? Maybe. As I recall, Providence was tons of fun and a fine show.........

A Cumberland that maybe even JimInMD could love. Fine China/Rider to close the first set. Esau---new to us but enjoyable---to open the second set. Ho hum, another Estimated/Eyes. And Morning Dew. I never saw a Star but I caught lots of Dews and enjoyed them all..............

Miller's remaster has some glitches and patches, but overall listenable and worthy.........

Not all the 80s were bad, in fact we saw lots of fun shows and even a couple of classics..........so.......

Rock on!!

Doc
Music is the expression of the movement of the waters, the play of curves described by changing breezes......

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 04:09

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Has WilfredTJones fallen into the 1971 rabbit hole? Sir, what's gotten into you?!!!

Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live.....

Rock on, more coffee,

Doc
I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to go crazy..........

it's a good day to have the day off! Happy 420 to all. Been traveling, catching up now. Looking forward to 46.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 01:26

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Day late, but 4/20/83, now you're speaking my language. mmmmmmmmmmmmm...coffee. ;-)

-edit- It's been a while since I listened to 4/8/71 Boston, so I was thinking about hitting that big one if possible after 4/20. April '71 has been nice, but I've only done 4/14 and 4/17, with 4/17 getting the big nod from me.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 04:31

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Hey rockers!!

Dare I mention Providence 1971? No, let's wait until next year...................

Although it is super crunchy!!!

Here is your throat back, thanks for the loan.................

Rock on!

Doc
You should be made to wear earphones

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 05:46

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It's been a holiday as far back as I can remember.

Which was yesterday.................

A good memory is one trained to forget the trivial............

Rock on,

Doc
A retentive memory may be a good thing, but the ability to forget is the true token of greatness......

4/19 just rolled on by - thought I might go with Dave's 20, 12/9/81 Boulder, which had cover art that referenced that momentous occasion. Not sure if its been a POTD anytime halfway recent. Doesn't seem to get much love as a release. I saw the Rosemont show 3 nights earlier with that gorgeous To Lay Me Down. High school buddy was at Boulder and he loved it. Remember getting a letter from him a few weeks later, written as he listened to a tape of the show with a big old smoking crater Other One.

4/20/83 was a fun listen. Will revisit.

Have a great weekend folks. With the hockey playoffs underway, and as a lifelong Blackhawks fan, all I gotta say is Go Cubs!!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 17:26

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Hey BC, #20 is a great release and I believe I offered it up a couple years ago. Would love to listen to it again. Let's do it.

Gave 4/20/83 a listen. Good show. Recording was in the decent range.

Minnesota's old team, Dallas at the Wild tonight in St. Paul, and still cold as hell here.

Hope you are all enjoying some warm weather.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/22/2023 - 02:31

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I hear there's a great Ollin Arageed Space>Shakedown from Fall 78, I'm not sure which show that is yet, 11/13/78?, 11/23/78?

Anyway, Happy Weekend! Stay Grateful :-)

-edit- Checking out the new Moskel Audience transfer of 11/23/78, the show before the well-known FM 11/24/78. Someone calls out for St. Stephen in the first set. Donna is in fine voice on the Looks Like Rain. May save set II for tomorrow, but that set II looks like a doozy... ;-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 04:00

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Set II Samson for a Sunday, Rare set II FOTD (for a Sunday), Dancin' is catching fire on the AUD tape, eliciting a hearty East Coast cheer - we'll see what the rest of the evening brings.... ;-)

Nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)

-edit- Oh, there's a Joani Walker. I just have to see how it compares, because the Moskal has been grate so far on a headphone listen. The East Coast crowd is psyched...traversing the drum solo now, on the way to.... :-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 17:05

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I think there were a few set II versions. One from Cleveland in March of 81 comes to mind. Maybe I'll tune into that or sleuth out some more just for fun.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:42

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Perversely fascinating intrusions, but thanks for the quick boot! Sheesh.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:45

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I was getting creeped out.
Cheers to Marye

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 16:56

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Well done Mary.

Looking at 3/21/90 for tomorrow. Copps Hamilton.

Any shipping notifications out there yet?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 22:14

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My guess is 12/30/78. I am not seeing those songs played in the order listed, the second set comes pretty close here and the Space/Ollin Arrageed is indeed out there.

Set 2:
I Need A Miracle
Bertha
Good Lovin'
Scarlet Begonias
Fire On The Mountain
Playin' In The Band
Shakedown Street
Drums
Ollin Arrageed
St. Stephen
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Around And Around

Sure glad they got the spam thing tamed.. We Don't Need No More Trouble.....Trouble we don't need.

Check it out, 11/23/1978 Capital Centre in Landover, MD. Really nice little Thanksgiving show. It was on a Thursday and Bob wishing the Audience and crew a happy Thanksgiving before the encore.

I went through it with the Moskal source and wasn't disappointed except the cut at the end of Playing into Around. The Joani Walker is complete and does not cut.

Have a Grateful Day all. :-)

Setlist
Mississippi Half-Step
Franklin's Tower
New Minglewood Blues
Stagger Lee
Looks Like Rain
Tennessee Jed
Passenger
Brown Eyed Women
Music Never Stopped

Samson and Delilah
Friend of the Devil
Dancin' in the Streets
Terrapin Station
Playin' in the Band
drums (Ollin Arageed Space)
Shakedown Street
Playin' in the Band
Around and Around

U.S. Blues

P.S. They were jamming on Ollin Arageed out of drums quite a bit in 78 especially in Nov./Dec.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 01:50

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Hey rockers!!!

If you haven't listened to April 25, 1971, then get crunchy!!!

You will find truth more quickly through delight than gravity. Let out a little more string on your kite......

Rock on,

Doc
I'm so down to earth, I'm bringing gravity back.......

about 3-21-90 :-D COPPS

-edit 3-21-90 set I Intense and Satifying, Loose Lucy stole my face. Tight Victim>SOTM combo. Set II I saw Estimated>He's Gone. Oh, and it's got a set II...you know what ;-)

Thanks DV make it grateful :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 09:02

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A local show for me.. but a couple years before I got hooked.

I was looking at a stale screen and replied before I saw your subsequent post. Ooops..

Funny thing about the Capital Centre, the tapes sound fine but unless you are in the sweet spot, that venue had terrible sound. Oh, and the Maryland State Police had a thing for the GD. Parish talks about Maryland having a phonebook thick document detailing the shinanagans that came with dead shows and the Capital Centre filled the parking lot with police on horseback to make sure we weren't smiling on a cloudy day. Saw quite a few shows there but was happy when they blew the thing up in December 2002.

Just getting back from a little time away. Mucho yardwork awaits.. then life as normal.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 02:32

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4-21-71. Going to hit it...

May be my inaugural listen here...

-edit- Truckin'>Drums in the first set, 5 songs in?!? Talk about youthful energy and exhuberance...I see what you mean FD (the) 11....

-edit 2- It's got a Cumberland and where the heck is the set break?!? I'm going with a blind inaugural listen here.

Have a Grateful Day all....

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 06:19

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Hey rockers!!

April 26 beckons...........

4/26/69-can't go wrong with April 69
4/26/70-the great unknown
4/26/71-crunchy, greasy, jammy
4/26/72-creamy smooth gooey goodness

Decisions decisions decisions, take your pick. I went with Europe 72, a tour that never fails to deliver. I was going to listen to York Farm, but I seem to have misplaced it......

We must make the choices that enable us to fulfill the deepest capacities of our real selves.......

Rock on,

Doc
Most consequential choices involve shades of gray, and some fog is often useful in getting things done.....

What a show hey WTJ. Funny to me at least I always thought 3/22/90 was the better Hamilton show, but wow this show is no slouch. But are there any subpar shows from Spring 1990? I don't think so.
Love the start to this show, Half Step with a Minglewood, Queen Jane, Loose Lucy and a first set Standing on the Moon. Love these Hey Pocky Ways, a Crazy Fingers, Cumberland! Yes. Interesting and good Estimated into He's Gone and a good finish after Drums and Space. Love the Multi Track shows from this era.. On my home system I can definitely hear the difference.

Maybe this year we get another Multi Track Box?

Who has a pick for tomorrow? OB? Jim?
No tracking here yet.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 01:33

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I decided to give this a show a listen, after people here did me the courtesy of listening to a show I suggested a few weeks ago. In truth ( you might need smelling salts now) this is the first 1990 show I have actually listened to for a year or two. Consequently, the songs I enjoyed most are the songs unique to the Brent era, rather than ones I am so familiar with from the Keith era. The highlight of set one, for me is "Victim - Standing On The Moon" a real change in energy from anything in the past. Similarly, I enjoyed "Hey Pock Way" most in the second set. I winced in anticipation, when I saw they were going to play"Crazy Fingers" - a seemingly difficult song to pull off live - but I was pleasantly surprised.
I think I'll look in the Taping Compendium later, and see if my observations tally with what they say.

Postscript - I've just had a look in the Taping Compendium, and I'm way off beam! Quite a short review compared to the others - maybe not the best show to start off with for 1990?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 03:16

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It's where I intuitively went this morning. Tightness describes the first 3 tunes so far.

Going to explore furthur... :-D

-edit- fing jerry encouraging bobby with the estimated call out of scarlet . .. .lol haha prankster jerry edit 2 maybe a little too much into ship instead of the wheel big key change. wheel would have flowed smooth

how many estimated>wheels? there's a rabbit hole i'd like to go down :-) :-) :-)

*spoiling the suspense 12-14-80 (1 time only)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 05:38

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Alright WTJ, 3/16/90 sounds good to me.
Thanks!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 00:44

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Trying to remember which Jan/Feb. 78 show had that Stronger than Dirt Jam. It's brief, but it's there.

Oh, BTW that Estimated>Wheel from 12-14-80 is pretty well executed, but different than it would have been in Spring 90.

:-) :-) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 01:45

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4/28/71

There, I said it. No regrets. Doesn't get any better.

Music is given to us with the sole purpose of establishing an order in things, including, and particularly, the coordination between man and time......

Rock on, or not,

Doc
Music is my friend, my constant companion......

With appreciation for all you do, have done and will. I always thought time was invented so that everything didn't happen all at once. Which it did 13.8 billion years ago with the big bang. Before that, there was music. Isn't it just so human that up until a hundred years or so ago, we thought the dinosaurs were around until a few thousand years back, we didn't know how old our petroglyphs were... And it's taken almost this long before there's a primal, late 60s box set to be announced...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 12:02

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Another fine Spring 90 WTJ. Always enjoyed shows that started out with Let the Good Times Roll and then into Touch of Gray. Great Bird Song, Blow Away.
Nice Scarlet into Estimated, Bobby loved the yelling during this time period. Solid finish. The Last Time encore! Great show.

I will hit 4/28/71 next.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 03:40

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Pre-empting the Doctor. Going with the Moore since the Board is incomplete and the Moore is moore than tolerable...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 04:01

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Holy Grateful Dead Batman, I've been pre-empted! Ouch, that hurts!!!

Here we are, April 29. The eternal debate, 28th vs 29th. Some shows are Overrated, with a cap O (8/27/72, 5/8/77, etc) and some are overrated-lower case O. I think the 29th gets the lower case version.

Does an Alligator, Midnight Hour, and We Bid you Goodnight trump the best ever versions of El Paso, The Rub, Cumberland Blues, Morning Dew, and Hard To Handler, along with a cracklin' Other One and short yet dreamy Dark Star? Listen and decide for yourself, Miller's remaster is top notch.

In years gone by, Deadbase polls always rated the 29th higher than the 28th, which I never understood. Don't get me wrong, it's fine as fine can be, but even excellent can fall short when it follows sublime............

Honesty is wonderful, but I suspect it's also overrated.

Rock on,

Doc
Whoever you talk to, I'm either overrated or underrated......
P.S. I will be listening---and cranking!!---the 29th on my way to my car dealer in just a few minutes......

Due the fact that I now only ever listen to this 4cd comp of these shows that came out twenty odd years ago, and only ever have done since it came out - I can no longer tell these shows apart. I know the Dark Star jam with T.C. is from the 28th and the Alligator jam from 29th, but apart from that, it's all a bit of a mystery. Strange how they used to release multi show comps like this without indicating which song came from which show.
Goes without saying that everything on it is essential wherever it came from.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 07:42

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Another one DR has found for me in my collection.
Likewise have not heard it in many years.
An anniversary listen does seem in order.
Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen.
Cheers

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sun, 04/30/2023 - 10:17

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Hey Daverock, the Wikipedia entry includes show dates in the Track Listing. Think I'll head back down that direction myself. . .

Jeffsmith - thanks, I'll have a look later. Without looking, I'm pretty sure the "Cumberland " comes from 28th - I can still remember listening to that on a tape back in the 80's - one of the best versions.
Unfortunately I think I was a bit rash saying everything on this set is essential. While the rest of this first cd is as good as I remember - better if anything - I really can't be doing with the last 15 minutes of "Good Lovin'. To the extent that the next time I play it , I'll miss that bit out. The bit leading into drums is dynamic - but that rap......I notice we have a 22 minute Lovelight on the 2nd cd, which I can't remember. Hopefully more music than vocals.

I was quite surprised looking on wiki how many tracks on Ladies and Gentlemen are actually taken from 4/25. I don't know why, but I had always assumed that nearly all of it came from the 28th and 29th.

To me, the 2nd cd seems to follow the same pattern as the 1st cd. Some really well played shorter songs leading to a really well played longer one that unfortunately degenerates into another Pigpen atrocity. But that doesn't detract from the rest of it - hopefully. I don't know if The Dead ever played with such conviction and power on songs under 10 minutes than they do here. Truly great music that owes nothing to extended jamming. Songs that have become over familiar, like Sugar Magnolia sound fresh and energetic-this one gradually losing it's country stylings on the way to becoming full blown rocker. El Paso is another one - beautifully sung.

There are a lot of covers on this album- I counted 23 over the 4 cds, with Goin' Down The Road cropping up twice.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 05/01/2023 - 05:20

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An atrocity is when innocents are killed. Which is what I have to deal with today.

A Pigpen song you don't care for is merely that, and nothing else. So next time, choose your words more wisely....

Doc

I am sorry my last post caused offence. And that you have such a difficult job.
I have to say, though, that your own choice of words left something to be desired. I am happy to listen to advice from anyone, but to be talked down to and told what to do? Forget it.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 02:53

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For some comic relief, google the horse race.

Anyway, who's got an 80's or 90's pick? Anything but Highgate or Boreal?

:-) :0) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 04:31

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Mornin', rockers!!

If it's May 3, it must be Paris in 1972.

The exquisite China/Rider. Garcia's sublime, country-tinged picking in Next Time You See Me. The dreamy, propulsive psychedelia of Playing In The Band. A soulful Sing Me Back Home. The very fine, weaving-and-bobbing, in-and-out, focally intense jamming in the Truckin'/Other One. The Dead never played better, or sounded better. It might not be my favorite E72 show (that might still be May 26), but it is classic. So give it a spin............

Oh, I almost forgot. For all you Pigpen haters, there's 16 minutes of an atrocious Good Lovin'. So you might wanna skip that.................

Somebody said The 80s???? How about Carrier Dome October 1984? Ask Angry Jackstraw about that one. Maybe New Haven Spring 83, that one gave me a brain melt. There is actually much to be enjoyed in the 80s, if I remember correctly.............

Rock on,

Doc
Rick (to Ilse): "We'll always have Paris"..............