Dave’s Picks Volume 34: Jai Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/23/74

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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May 19, 2020 - 11:31am

#1241

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

What ever the reason...

if it turns out to be a mass defect and not just a few unfortunate individual cases, then it’s BS and they should at least investigate if not replace the discs like Jim said. What do they do now when you have a bad disc? ala PNW etc... I believe folks said they would just send discs?
Fortunately I’ve never had a big problem (perhaps 2 or 3 skips out of hundreds of discs) but I have had some discs that were hard to rip. I have excellent Exact Audio copy ripping SW and never have problems with other manufacturers discs. The 30 Trips music only addition took forever to rip some discs (not because of scratches or other physical anomaly’s). If not for the EAC I probably wouldn’t have been able to rip some at all! Interestingly, these problems have only been with more current rhino releases, NEVER any of my pre rhino Dead releases...
Back in 86, like Vguy, Sargent Peppers was the second CD I ever bought and though often the master tape used, the digital conversion and mastering on many early discs is lackluster, but at least every single disc from way back then still plays fine. So why then are these relative new discs bad, and why even today, does rhino have so many problems and defects?
Yes Charlie you have a valid point IF the problems were rare, and if the sample sizes were small, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. It just doesn’t seem like such widespread, repeating issues anywhere else? Maybe the fault rates aren’t that unusual and it’s just because we’re all so vigilant and vocal here, thus we think it’s a bigger problem then normal?
All I know is these rhino releases are pretty much the only discs I’ve had problems with since 1986 when I bought my first CD player...truly hope this is just another small sample and not a systemic problem or things are going to get weird around here....
May 19, 2020 - 11:11am

#1242

billy the kid

Joined:
December 3, 2019

Charlie3

All my cds were acquired by subscription through deadnet. They were all stored in the same box and it seems like it is only the first 4 Dave s Picks that are a problem. I played Dave s Picks 5 and it is fine, thank goodness, Dave s 5 was stored right next to the first 4.
May 19, 2020 - 11:09am

#1243

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Disappearing ink

That’s what Rhino used to ‘write’ these CD’s.

It should come as no surprise that some of the CD’s are bad. Pretty much every release has defective discs that have to be replaced. Some were probably slightly defective but got worse with handling/storage conditions.

But don’t panic too much yet. Take a CD that now appears defective and make a copy to a HD, then listen to the files. They might be OK.
I have had it both ways with Rhino CD’s, for example, last year I bought RT Fall 77 when someone pointed out that it was being sold with the bonus disc. All the CD’s played fine on my Onkyo CD player, but were defective when I made copies on my HD. But, each copy on the HD was defective in different places. I used 2 computers and 2 different CD burners to make a total of 7 copies on a HD. I was then able to piece together a complete RT (actually broke up the tracks by date) using the 7 copies, which had defects in different places.

6-17-76 CD3, notorious for Rhino having to redo the CD twice. My CD3 that had skips and static when played on my Onkyo CD player ripped flawlessly to a HD on the first try.

Skull Fuck - Golden Road Box, plays fine on my Onkyo but I could never get a good copy on a HD, it always had skips and static.

I’ll check my DaP’s this weekend to see if they have degraded (I’m back at work this week which is good, but now I don’t get to listen to as much GOGD during the day as I did over the last 2 months).
May 19, 2020 - 11:03am

#1244

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

DaP 2012 storage

I have a grand piano and guitars. My home is kept between 45-55% humidity all year and the temp. is kept constant between 64 and 72 degrees.

I purchased all of the discs through Dead.net and am the original owner of all the discs. My DaP discs are kept in their original cases and the amount of play over the life of each disc is less than 30-40 hours on each disc.
May 19, 2020 - 10:52am

#1245

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Jim

Yeah, absolutely a mess and a bummer. Given that not all of these 2012 DaP discs seem to have failed, I'm just curious about the storage and handling conditions for the discs that have failed and if they were acquired directly through deadnet or had passed through a few hands on the secondary market. It could very well turn out that deadnet or Rhino made some questionable choices but I haven't seen anything to indicate that at this point, so I'm just reserving judgment on blame. Definitely the stuff of nightmares for an OCD CD collector.
May 19, 2020 - 10:43am

#1246

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

I Hear That

I hear that Charlie.. not saying this was a purposeful act, in fact I suspect Rhino might not have even pulled the trigger. I haven't had the time to check my discs yet.. but if all this is true, it is a bit of a mess.

I look at it more like that bad batch of PVC piping that had to be replaced in everyone's homes or the decade or so the sheetrock from China was subpar.
May 19, 2020 - 10:40am

#1247

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

DaP 2 Update

Not playing at all :-(

My next step after getting through 3 and 4 will be to move on to other players. I should stop reporting now unless others begin to report issues. I have everything digitized but I would love replacement discs! I would not need any packaging! How many think that could really happen?

Worse things in the world, but...

Moving on to 3.
May 19, 2020 - 10:29am

#1248

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Wow...

...I think of myself as pretty cynical but I'm not seeing the reported disc degradation as evidence of some deadnet/Rhino plot to scam us out of our money for an inferior product. Is it possible some of these discs were stored in poor conditions? Is it possible that even a reliable manufacturer has unforeseen problems leading to failure of the product 8 years later? Is it possible deadnet/Rhino did not just find the cheapest fly-by-night outfit they could find to manufacture these discs? Do they deserve any benefit of the doubt? If I'm ever on trial accused of a crime, I hope you guys aren't on the jury.
May 19, 2020 - 10:01am

#1249

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

bad discs

This is hard to swallow, what can be done about this? I have every one of these Dave's discs and have never opened them, now what, will they play? will they rot? will the sun shine on my back door someday? I have purchased every box set since the europe 72 box and I think I will put them all up on ebay now. what to do about these Dave's? I think I too have bought my last Dave's subscription, what a shame I do love the Grateful Dead so. Funny, I have disc's I purchased in the early 90's that still look and play great, why have these gone bad in just 8 years? Sounds like an investigation is warranted, can we all get a refund for these discs? can anyone who works here or at rhino check on that for us please. Hey Dave, will you address this, they have your name on them, if I was in this position, I would demand an investigation as to why the greatest music ever made has been put on inferior media. Wow, this is real bad for Rhino and Dead net.
I was right all along, Rhino is a lousy music company. I am done with Rhino. Greed rules again. I guess the only way to keep getting new Dead music is to get a copy from a friend, rip it right away and give it back, that way you get the great music we all love and don't get ripped off in the process. It just doesn't make since, spend all that time to remaster all these releases and then put them on subpar media, who's stupid idea was that? some suit who works at rhino and can only see $ signs? I guess we can all just buy vinyl, or has Rhino put all of that music on faulty media too? Who knows, we might never know but one thing is for sure, Rhino and Dead net just lost a buttload of trust and probably more than one customer. First Trump, then Corona, now Grateful Dead music on shitty discs, the world is truly coming to an end. Oh wait that caveat emptor thing might cover their asses on Dicks picks, is that same caveat emptor on Dave's as well? Don't recall seeing that on any of those.
May 19, 2020 - 9:54am

#1250

JimInMD

Joined:
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Not Saying They Will

..but They could replace just the discs and not the packaging without breaking the bank.

They could even finance it with a special ala cart release like Nightfall of Diamonds. Think of the goodwill that would produce, and in the end it's the right thing to do.

Three comments:
- They could replace just the discs.
- How much was saved by switching to whatever production decision was made to get lesser quality blanks.
- I suspect this was outsourced and the decision to go cheap was made by whoever they outsourced it to.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

Gerd

Still nothing in Skåne.
I have given up thinking it will arrive.
I am in touch with customer service and asking for a replacement copy.

Gerd again

I have just been informed that the Swedish Postnord have returned my Daves to sender! No information when or why, and no attempt at communication from them. I have been chasing them constantly since it was sent from Brussels on 19 may since when no tracking updates.
I hope Dead net can send a replacement......
This is not the first time something from Dead Net/Rhino has not arrived. Not their fault, but I shall not be subscribing again. Too much hassle.

And I thought it was my Red Rocks story

Tried to post yesterday. System here unresponsive. (Usually that's my schtick...) Thought perhaps someone (Carlo3??) believed I went too far with that tame tale of twiddling. Had a story to tell. Forgot it.

Please resume your vulture-like waiting for ... yet another show.

So, one more DaP to go this year, which is usually something pretty sweet. Have we begun to speculate?

My entry is fall '72...................

DaP 36

I'm hoping for a '69 show as the final 2020 Dave's and then if we get a second box this year make it the '72 (STL) Fox box, ohh that'd be nice!

Shipping Bummer DaP 33 and 34

It's a nightmare! Seems I'm the only one in Germany who has not received the CDs.
Wonder why this happens obviously only with deadnet/Rhino.
I'd ordered Garcia Vol. 13 on June 24 from the 'Big River' USA. Guess what? CD had been shipped on 2nd July and arrived on July 13.
Now 11 weeks waiting time for DaP 34.
I'm also waiting for DaP 33. After I received a shipping note on 30 Jan. I was in good hope. On 3rd April I checked status.
Surprise, surprise. Status said: processing! Customer service promised me to send a copy as soon as possible.
Repeatedly on June 23.
Next trip might be the WMD box, shipped July 10th. And I'm worrying what becomes of DaP 35.
I understand possible delays due to Covid 19, but as it has proved it can be done better.
The shipping time for the June '76 box was 6 weeks, but he box made it and it was acceptable.
I'm not sure if'll I ever buy or subscribe again.
Not a good day, Gerd
Dogon, check pm if you like

Weirdness on the net

Huh, my posts from last night is gone, which is ok as I only was trying to see if it was just another board or all of Deadnet? I was ble to post, but not edit, then this AM it was all there, but now gone?

EROUPE DP 34: that’s crazy that y’all still are having problems getting 34? Murphy’s law too, it would have to be a killer 74.....have any of you tried contacting the Dr or Marye? Hope you receive yours one way or another, sooner than later.

Frustration

Thanks for your concern Oroborous. I havnt reached out to Marye, because this time the fault doesnt seem to lie with Deadnet, rather, their choice of shipping. Of course the Covid epidemic has slowed things down considerably, but we are also talking about the delays of the various links in the chain which should get Daves to me, and Postnord has also showed a remarkable level of incompetence. I have phoned them numerous times but they do not recognise the tracking number, today I didnt let them fob me off, and was then told it had been returned to sender!
Deadnet have assured me that they will send a replacement, but even if they can get their warehouse to issue it, its another 2 months till I have it my hand. If it comes, thats a big if!
Onward and upward

Dogon

Bummer, you folks across the pond have to be really dedicated just to get some new tunes!
Hopefully it’ll all work out and maybe someday they’ll figure a better alternative. It seems ridiculous in 2020 Covid or not that the “system” is so inefficient.

Hendrix

Hey, I totally meant the "too much info" as a funny response to a funny situation. I'm no prude, believe me I've had my share of covert sex at the shows.

Porter Wagoner/ The Cold Hard Facts of Life

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sjVDC64KNhw

Shipping Delivery Blues

I feel for y'all

I want 2 21 71 and WMD to arrive after one week....I would be PISSED if it were months...

In solidarity, my fellow Deadheads,

stoltzfus

Covert $3+ at shows?

I certainly missed that part of show-going...

Dogon & Gerd

Still no DaP 34 here too!
I'm really exhausted by the way they managed things! I have been shopping on the Deadnet for 25 years but the last 2 years have been a disaster! Just for the record...Last year I had to pay twice the price of the Pacific Northwest boxset due to some mysterious courier deposit costs, I contacted Deadnet and you know what...they didn't even answer me!
Obviously I don't buy boxes anymore, I don't want to throw money away
@Dogon
you're right when you say that there are many links in the chain of the delivery but it's not my job to investigate, my deal is with Deadnet/Rhino.
OK I'm out
Have a nice weekend Dead Freaks

Next Dave's pick

Dave said the next one would be a big one, maybe 5/26/73 Kezar, that's a big one.

HENDRIXFREAK'S Number One Occupation?

Raised in a lion's den too

Cold hard facts

Whoa, that was cool, don’t think I’ve ever heard that one? I’ll see your me & my uncle and raise ya a Cold Hard Facts!

Anniversary show 7/17/82 Ventura

38 years ago today I was down in Ventura having a blast! The Dead put on a great show, they ended the first set with Truckin. I spent a lot of time in the beer garden that day. Crazy fun times had by all.

Dave' Picks Vol 35 Comments Page

Can anybody tell me how to get to Dave's 35 'Comments'? The links to 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing', and 'Comments' on the main 'Product Pages' no longer go anywhere. I was only able to get to this 'Comments' page because I have it bookmarked. I'm using Chrome. Same results on Firefox.

Am I missing something? – Wouldn't be the first time. . . Onward?

DaP 35 comments page

I can access it from the product page using my iPad. The other way is to click Community at the top of the home page, go to the bottom of the list and select Dead Store Products then scroll down the list, at the moment the DaP 35 comments are found on the second page of this list but will surely move up to be first page as more people comment. Then you can bookmark it. Alternately, wait until it appears in the last four posts shown at the bottom of the home page click there and bookmark it.
Hope this helps.

Thanks Colin

Just as I was about to go into existential free-fall, you and another brother showed me a new way to Dave's 35 Comments. Thanks a ton! I still don't understand why I can't get to 'Comments' via the main 'Product' pages (I tried Dave's 34 & 35 and WMD). It didn't matter if I was using Chrome, Firefox or Safari on my MacBook Pro – the links on the main 'Product' pages don't work – all that loads is the product image, Listening Party, Dave's Backyard Chat and dead* links to 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing', and 'Comments'. And everything's normal on an iPad? Weird. . . Thanks again for the workaround! Onward, Jeff

* That's 'dead', not 'Dead' ;-)

Shipping to Europe

has anyone of you from Europe already received their copy of DaP34? because i'm still waiting. and the client support mailing agent or whatever wasn't helpful either, because he gave me a generic copypasta as an answer...

Europe CDs

The missing Europe CDs bugs me. I think (hope) they will get there eventually.
34 is monster good. Perhaps soon.... we hope.

Europe CDs

Most European copies were delivered in June. Mine arrived in the Netherlands on June 3. Many others in Europe received theirs later that month but Scandinavians, amongst others, have, in many cases, not been so lucky and are still waiting or have given up. I am afraid this offers little consolation to those still waiting.

DaP 34 still missing in Belgium

I don't know for the rest of Europe, but here in Belgium I am still waiting for my DaP 34. I did receive a tracking number but USPS's status hasn't moved since may 12th and any response to my inquiry from customer service hasn't yet showed up (worst part about the situation is that the DaP shipments do transit in Brussels!). And of course that kind of thing had to happen with the DaP that came with the bonus disc. So, even if Dead.net issued a replacement, would it come with said bonus disc?

I'm also waiting for DaP 34-Germany

plus DaP33. A replacement shipping was promised for this one in April.
???
I've been ordering stuff for over 25 years. It was perfect until about two years ago.
I do not understand why!

Bigchief Extracts

I will make sure to get my own copy. I and my husband spent time that day on the beach.

Dave's 33

Gratefulgerd. I got sent 2 copies of 33 by mistake. PM me and I'll send you my spare copy

Dave's 33

Gratefulgerd. I got sent 2 copies of 33 by mistake. PM me and I'll send you my spare copy

*Re- ‘Origins -Boxset / book with limited vinyl

...this release is getting pushed back to this Fall now Due to More Virus Condition Arose effecting final inspection quality control. I’m very grateful everyone envolved is keeping a close eye on All Details to this upcoming grateful release . Some primal 68’ dead awaits many turntables across the Gobe!
Have a grateful evening & weekend my brothers & sisters! Peace be with you all. I still enjoying WMD 50th and honestly the last 3 Dave’s picks in the series! It’s been a grateful 2020 for the Dave’s Picks series & bonus disc so far for this grateful DeadHead! I’m still going bonkers over #34! Lol ha ha! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Re: Origins

Yeah I got that email too.

June 76

Gave 6/11 another spin last night. What a wonderful show and a nice little box set.

Memory is the fourth dimension to any landscape......

In case anybody reads this stuff any more....................

Miami was released six months ago. Still don't have the things promised to me by DL. Yup that's right, for six straight months not a soul has been at Rhino.

I deeply regret allowing TPTB to use those
pictures..............

Doc
Time moves in one direction, memory in another

Memory is the fourth dimension to any landscape......

In case anybody reads this stuff any more....................

Miami was released six months ago. Still don't have the things promised to me by DL. Yup that's right, for six straight months not a soul has been at Rhino.

I deeply regret allowing TPTB to use those
pictures..............

Doc
Time moves in one direction, memory in another

I worshipped dead men for their strength,forgetting I was strong

Been seven months now Dave, what's up with that??????

What’s up Doc?

Did they think that your loan of photos was actually a gift?

Nothing is more sad than the death of an illusion

Check your pm...................

pictures

Doc, let me get this straight, you loaned the Grateful Dead pictures, they promised you stuff, you got nothing? What the@$%& is up with that? DL time to get with the program or get down the road. Now I see where their loyalties lie with them selves and money I guess. Shame and just not Dead like. Do the right thing Dave and Deadnet

Glory paid to our ashes comes too late

Well, finally got my stuff, not exactly what I asked for but it'll have to do. Better late than never, I suppose...........

Nothing left to discuss here, let's move on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Doc
Gratitude is when memory is stored in the heart and not in the mind

Where to Buy

Long time Dead listener. I've purchased Dead shows on and off through the years, but have missed the boat on many great shows officially released in recent years due to life's demands. Last item I purchased was "Get Shown the Light." I was wondering is there anywhere to buy sold out official Dead releases for a reasonable price anywhere? I get on eBay and about pass out when I see the prices listed for individual Dave's Picks. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dewajack

I often look on Discogs site to see if there are second hand box sets that I am looking for. I can't say I have ever bought a Dead show from them-and those I have looked at don't come cheap. But I have found bargains by other artists-so it's worth a look if you haven't checked them out before.

You are the music while the music lasts......

DEWAJACK check your pm..............................

Rock on,

Doc

Please re-release this one or make it available digitally!

See subject.
Such a shame that these great releases get locked away or only available to those who can pay super inflated prices on the reseller market!

Open your eyes

I think that 6-23-74 was just available last week as part of the warehouse finds.

6-23-74

Yes, it was available for $28.98 last Thursday.

9-8-73, -2-23-74, 11-2-69/12-26-69 still available.

thnx Dave!

keep'em comin', more '74!
celebrating 50 years!!

uncle_tripel

FORENSICDOCELEVEN...

...thanks for passing on the photo's from Jai-Alai from your friend, just looking at them as I load up disc 1 for today's LET IT ROCK n roll show. Sending MANY healing VIBES your way!

PEACE ALL!
uncle_tripel

Any sub/bonus-disc versions that are unnumbered?

This is kind of an odd question but I am wondering if anyone is aware of the existence of subscriber versions of this (with the bonus disc) that are NOT numbered? The reason I ask is because when this was released, my order got utterly lost en route, and so I contacted Dead.net for a replacement. IIRC, the title was already sold out, and yet I got a replacement with the subscriber bonus disc, which made me happy. I had been so anxious to hear an official version of these shows that by the time the replacement was sent, I had already obtained the digital audio files from what may or may not have been nefarious means.. So I kept my copy sealed. Then, lo and behold, months later my original order shows up at my door, and in one piece too!

But I've been hanging on to that replacement order for years now, and since times are especially tough in my house, I'm considering selling it for whatever the invisible hand of the market decides its worth. However, I can't discover whether or not it is a numbered copy without breaking the shrink wrap. So back to my question - are they any known *unnumbered* copies of this or any other DP entries that shipped with a bonus disc? I've also heard of people collecting the unnumbered / promo copies, which seems weird to me (it's not like promo vinyl where there are sound quality reasons to want a white-label promo).

On a related note, I received another unnumbered copy, this time DP 49, in February, and Dead.net replied to my inquiry in record time and sent out a replacement via FedEx lickity-split. I've also had a few vinyl orders that shipped out FedEx as the default lately. Good on them for (finally) upping their shipping game!

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081227909352

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