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    Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
    Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
    Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
    Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
    Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
    Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
    Artwork by Dave Van Patten
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

    “Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

    They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

    Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

    IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

    Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • Charlie3
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    Conclusions

    Based on the math, Grateful Dead Box sets are a bargain, and some folks Europe are paying less per unit distance for shipping than some folks in the U.S.

    If this ships from Carlsbad, CA like the Dave's Picks seem to be, then I will be paying about 1.21 cents per mile of shipping distance, and someone in Amsterdam will pay about 1.25 cents per mile. Someone in Berlin will pay about 1.20 cents per mile of shipping distance while someone living in Las Vegas will be paying about 4.79 cents per mile of shipping distance. If my math is right. The folks living closer to Carlsbad, CA will be paying quite a higher price per unit distance and folks on the east coast of the U.S. will be getting a bargain on the per unit distance cost. Shipping costs have gone up recently, as has the cost of just about everything except releases from the Grateful Dead, but considering the distances and time frames involved, we are living in a golden age, and it appears that as a function of distance, international shipping costs are pretty much in line with domestic shipping costs as a function of distance. Which is not the same as saying it doesn't suck to have to pay an extra $70 to get the product.

    Looking forward to Slow Dog's updated calculations taking into account the impact of blank disc space on the box set costs, for a per minute or per second of music price valuation.

  • Wackaloonq
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    ahh but this one has my all time favorite of china doll-drums-space- st stephen….on the floor we just wend wild with delight

  • mcgrupp216
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    Multiple Vols MSG

    Funny, the there’s a Wharf Rat and Eyes in the September ‘79 MSG run.. but otherwise re: additional volumes for more MSG shows, that would be neat. Also, that’s a lot of volumes!

    Hah, that said,

    9/18/87 and 9/10/91 are in 30 trips
    9/16/90 is Dick’s 9
    9/18-9/20/90 are featured in Sept. 90 Road Trips
    2 songs from 10/14/94 are on Ready or Not
    and 1 song from 10/18/94 is on Long Strange Trip

    Still, I’ll take 6 more scattered from the other years, with pleasure!

  • boblopes
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    SDN - has it been that long since PNW was released?

    Seems like yesterday I was playing that Bird Song from PNW to my daughter telling her I had a new favorite of that beloved song...

    My spreadsheet tracks price per show as well as per disc ;)

    Happy Friday!

  • billy the kiddd
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    Great box set

    This is a great box set, what a great time to be following the Dead. They were playing so many great venues still, Greek, Frost, Warfield Theatre, Ventura, Oakland Auditorium. Fun times!

  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    No, not more math

    I dig some digging to back up my unsubstantiated claims:

    2018 - Pac NW - 19 cd / $190 = $10 per disc - 15,000 units
    2019 - Giants - 14 cd + 2 dvd/ $150 = $9.38 per disc - 10,000 units
    2020 - June 76 - 15 cd / $150 = $10 per disc - 12,000 units
    2021 - St Louis - 20 cd / $200 = $10 per disc - 13,000 units
    2022 - MSG - 17 cd / $180 = $10.59 per disc - 12,500 units

    So not really a drop in units compared to previous years, other than Stl.

    Pricing was consistent in previous years excluding the Giants box, which came with 2 dvds and had two different price points for Blu Ray vs std. But other than that we were at $10 per disc vs $10.59 this year, which is a 5.9% price increase. But of course this doesn't factor in empty space on any discs. Ok, i'll stop.

  • simonrob
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    Fun with math.

    The international shipping charge for the Dave's Picks 2022 subscription was $15.99. For that they ship 4 small packages.
    The international shipping charge for the Listen to the river box was also $15.99.
    The international shipping charge for this box is $70.00. That is 4.378x higher than either of the above mentioned items.
    The International shipping charge for the Lyceum 24 LP box was $98 for an item weighing 28lbs. I imagine this Garden box weighs considerably less than that yet shipping is 70.4% of the that $98 charge. Both the Lyceum and Garden boxes are currently pre-orders.
    All orders show standard international shipping.
    Draw your own conclusions.

  • Charlie3
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    Hmmm... $70 to ship something approximately 4960 miles (the rough distance from center of US to center of Europe). That appears to work out to about 1.4 cents per mile for shipping, or if you prefer to calculate it in dollars that is $0.014 per mile. Not sure if I would really consider that expensive, more like a testament to efficiency. And don't forget, for you concerned about the climate, generally speaking, the faster you ship something, the higher the carbon output. So there's that.

  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    I get more excited about this one each day. I think 12,500 is about right volume wise - down from some of the recent 70s era box sets i'm I'm remembering correctly. And alas, the ravages of inflation have sunk their callous claws into our corner of the world now too.

    If Tony Soprano was in charge Dave would be shooting videos from the back of a pasta joint in lower Manhattan. Same sunglasses, but the line cook would be banging saucepans around and Dave would be pointing at sepia colored portraits of roadies past and sitting in front of a big plate of steaming rigatoni.

  • Albert Harmonica
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    International Shipping - Garden Box Set

    Maybe the US$70 charge is an intended ploy to limit international demand for this box set.

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

Hey August I've been spinning 9/20/82. The very beginning of Shakedown sounds like they're all tuning up and getting the mix, but then it settles in very nicely and the Shakedown has all players well balanced. Hot Shakedown>Mingle one-two. I just listened to the Scarlet>Fire last night and it is excellent also. I'm liking this box more and more.

Anyone still on the fence on this I would jump on this. If you like early 80's Dead, this will not disappoint. I love it. Such great variety and the sound quality to my ears is 5 dancing bears! Just fantastic. Revisited 3/9/81 and this show smokes. The first set Deep Elem Blues, Birdsong! So good. Second set China Rider and the Estimatesd UJB is what this band is all about. So glad they put this one out.
Only complaint, they didn't include the 79 MSG shows.

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Just ordered the vinyl copy of 3/9/81 from Experience Vinyl (125 bucks).

I'm guessing the Dead never released this on vinyl,,,, I don't have a copy in stock.!?

I lost a chunk of emails,,,, this order (in cd's) would have been in that chunk. I would have thought if it was available on vinyl I would have bought when I ordered the cd's.

But I can find NOTHING to show this has ever been released on vinyl.

Am I nuts or did I just spend more of my wife's hard earned money!

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Spinning 9/20/82 today and it's really hitting the spot! So much magic in this MSG box. It's been in reagular rotation since the day I recieved it. I really like how they switch things up with the multi night, muti year run from a particular venue.

Also, if you've been hesitant about getting this because of reading post about sound quality, era, or performance quality, don't listen!!! If you like early 80's Dead, wait no more!

I get not liking an era but it seems a lot of posters (not all) come out in immediate protest of anything post 78.

Anyway, if you like this era, I promise this box won't disappoint! and no, I don't know DL or work for Rhino.

Rock on, gang!

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In the past few weeks I've given the '82 and '83 shows a relisten and with each I had the same thought, "Oh geez, I forgot how much fun this one is! I've got to get on dead net and spread the word......"

But I'm a bit biased with towards post 70s GD. The ritualistic approach they kept with from '79 onward simply works and one I'll never tire of. Although, does fall into the whole, 'for those that understand no explanation is needed; for those that don't, none is possible'. Seems the majority of the people that really dig 80s and 90s Grateful Dead are those that saw them in that period. Makes sense.

Of the four shows, I'd say 10/12/83 stood out the most for me this time around. Because of the Help>Slip>Franklins. Has to be one of the better post '77 versions out there. Certainly one of the longest Slipknots from the 80s and 90s. Which is the part that counts most ; -)

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