Grateful Dead

It's fun talking about 1971 and the Grateful Dead. I was baffled as a new head when I first started getting tapes from this year bc I didn't have the necessary knowledge to understand why their sound varied so drastically. In short order, I collected 2/18/71, what was labeled 4/29/71 (actually from two days of the run), 7/2/71, 10/19/71 and finally the show I always talk about, 12/5/71. I didn't realize this arbitrary span of selected dates included Mickey's departure... not to mention Pigpen's health and performance situation. I *did* know 10/19 was Keith's first show. And yet 12/5 was already an evolution, and it was only 6-7 weeks later. It still blows my mind thinking about how they created all of this ferociously distinctive music while undergoing all of this change.

Speaking of Keith's first show: does anyone know what time the band actually took the stage that night? I could have sworn that I read that they took the stage over an hour late, but I can't find a source

I don't know when they came on, I'm afraid, but that show would make a great Dave's Picks. As would 12/5/71. As would 11/7/71 I'm slightly surprised that we have had a few Fall 1971 shows released, and yet those have fallen through the cracks.

Thinking about emotions, and feelings of anxiety- or any psychological discomfort, reminds me of my own experiences of the same. 10 years ago, just after I retired, I learnt transcendental meditation from this teacher. Unexpectedly, at the same time, I started having slight panic attacks. I wasn't panicking about anything specific - but this wave of anxiety used to come over me with no warning and for no reason. Then it would go again - for no reason. I told this teacher about it, and he told me that I hadn't dealt with a lot of loss and grief in my life, and that because of this I had stored it in my subconscious. And it had been activated by meditating.
I don't know how true that was. It still happens occasionally, and I just wait for it to pass, which it always does. Sometimes after a few minutes, sometimes after as long as a week. Hasn't stopped me meditating.

Proudfoot, I'm with ya. Took two big losses last year -- father and cat (laugh if ya want, we spent 20 years together) -- and grief seems elusive, it comes and goes. Everything is a-okay one minute, the next the tears rain down at the irreparable loss.

As to "distant figures," meaning people I didn't know, I weathered Jimi, Janis, Duane, Roy, Jerry... then Gregg Allman's and Robert Hunter's passings really did me in.

Here's to acceptance... though it can be hard to achieve. Sometimes I want to tell my father what neat stuff I'm doing, but I don't have that area code to connect with him.

given up on that post

Sorry about your losses. Unfortunately, grief is an emotion that eventually hits every soul at some point. Much harder to contain and takes the joy out of some of the happiest moments.

Hate to say it but: Keep on the Sunny Side.

For me, dopamine supplements with a small anti-depressant has made me much more balanced.

Moms been 7, and pops 3.5 years
Still happens often : (
If only I could call em up and ask some dumb question that I know they’d have the answer to

Just keep on keepin' on PF, et al.
You're never a full fledged adult until you've had to deal with the death of parents and their estate. Still dealing with stuff 7 years after Mom and 22 years after Dad. I see them in dreams sometimes but there aren't any questions asked or answered. They and all our ancestors are our conscience. Whatever we know of right and wrong came from there. Best wishes to all.
Cheers

I loved the 90 Europe tour JJ. Saw all three Wembley shows and two in Paris. I’d have loved to see the Berlin Shakedown in honour of the fall of the wall a year earlier.

I'm with you Daverock. 10/19 or 12/5/71, either one as a Pick would make me a very, VERY happy head.

was going to post more (about 10/19) but I got hey now'd. The reason for my inquiry - I am trying to figure out when the show actually ended, because I'm born in the very first minutes of October 20th. And I think it's entirely possible that the Grateful Dead were still playing onstage at that very moment! Does anyone know the posted/advertised start time for the 10/19 show? I've seen various times for shows on that tour - 730pm for the 29th of October; 8pm for the Felt Forum shows; 7pm for Ann Arbor.

....likes the Golden Knights, but doesn't know any of the players names. Dad's been gone since 2009. Alzheimers. 66 years young. Terrible disease.

Pretty good chance the Dead were rocking out as you entered this world. Can't find any poster or ticket stub images with start time but my read of available history says yes. NRPS opened - Jerry played pedal steel whole set - so GD would take stage at least 1-1/2 to 2 hours after concert start time. First hand accounts on int. archive talk about almost 7 hr total concert both bands start to finish. And it sure sounds like a fun, crazy, and wild affair, complete with Hell's Angels and pyrotechnics. Been a long while since I listened to 10/19 and it was pointed out in some comments that Keith was playing organ at least part of this show (ala Pig) and then moved to piano only on tour from there on out, which is very interesting. Need to revisit. "In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked from your mother's face . . . ."

I am at the age now where people are losing friends and partners - people of our own generation. I only know one person who's got a parent still living, a woman who has a mother in her 90's. She has alzheimers ( the mother, not the daughter) and the daughter has told me she feels as though her mum died many years ago - even though she is physically still alive. Must be terrible.

they are blocking everything now. Can I use a comma?

elon musk must have bought out dead net because I cannot post anything longer than a one sentence tweet

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Disc one nice enough
Disc two awesome
Disc three really rich deep sound, two tracks in

....the extended mix will make it through!
See? I knew it. Song kicks ass.
Check it out.
Early bird gets the worm tomorrow AM in Frankfurt Germany 🇩🇪.
Gain an hour of sleep though.
Go Dolphins🐬!

....just steamrolling.

Even I like this one. It must sound even better if you subscribed.

DAVEROCK
I’d like to say it sounds better to a subscriber but my copy has not arrived yet. It just goes to show that subscribing doesn’t get you any special treatment.
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DaP48 doesn’t sound better because I subscribed, it just cost less.
And, since I subscribed, I got a bonus disc with DaP46 which also sounds great.

Speaking of DaP46, still available.

Also still available is the STL Box.

So ‘71,’70 DaP48 and ‘73 HCSS Box sell out, but ‘72 DaP46 and ‘71,’72,’73 STL Box remain.

Even though I didn’t do any of the things I was accused of doing.

Colin - that is a bummer. Mine arrived last Thursday, so hopefully your will be along soon.

Cnkd - yes, I see. On the downside, though, you had to pay for that 1979 show. Only joshing.

again, maybe they sent it by rowboat.

so much stuff is instantaneous these days, but physical product can be mighty slow

Calling c a n a d a, eh!
Mike, how’s it?
Getting worried about ya…
No posts, hockey or other?

Good game last night, except sorry for your loss.
Sabs actually looked like a team and didn’t give up!

And the Golden Kiniggits, fo get about it!
Made the AVs look like minor leaguers.
To quote the late great RJ “these guys are good, scary goid”

Twice through 48 etc…
Feel same as coming in: good but perhaps not RJ.
Love TOO space!
The 3rd disc helps makes the release though
Ok, I’m getting greedy, let’s see if…

Ouch

Nice job on the Brent tribute!
Enjoyed like all the rest…

Yeah PF, was hoping they’d help out Bu faf, but none of my teams are whining today.
Got no chance of losing, THIS time!

For my money, this is a great release. A bang-em-up, late '71show from early in Keith's tenure, sans Mr. Pig, pre-72 with new songs getting a workout. Great sound, energetic show.

And the '70 artifact from a year earlier, with Pigpen in fine form and that crazy, swirling energy of '70 and earlier years when you can fairly hear the LSD in the collective bloodstream with a crescendo at the end of Lovelight that made the silence that followed absolutely deafening. In short, I'm a happy camper with 48. You folks who haven't rec'd it yet are in for a treat. Sorry to rave and stoke your hunger, but this one gets a hearty endorsement.

I copy and pasted the hey now message as a comment, but then got hey now’d after passing the reCRAPTCHA quiz.

I get hey Now’d every time I mention hockey

I was just trying to convey my enthusiasm for that team from the motor city beating that team from B-town

And have listened to DaP47 a couple of times so far

But currently am listening to DaP48 set1

every time Hey Now gets mentioned

Listening to Pacific NW. Tech question.
Do wall of sound recordings sound better because of the amazing soundboard Owsley built? They do have some separation and balance not always there. I read somewhere it was hard to get all those eleven channels back to two.
Cheers

I really really like this one. I’ve listened to it every day. The juxtaposition with the 2 periods is fantastic. Thanx Dave Mark and everyone!!

Thanks for weighing in, Bluecrow! Your reasoning matches with mine. And as time goes on and Grateful Dead scholarship has continued to improve, I started thinking that maybe there's a chance that I could not only say it with certainly - but might even be able to get it down to which song was being played at my, er, entrance. (exit?) That's probably a pipe dream... but 'tis a good dream...

And I'm with everyone else who is enjoying Dave's 48, the final Pick of the year. It's been a blast. In fact I've got it playing right now - Cumberland! Oh myyy. And I've got a copy of disc 3 all loaded up in the car for tomorrow's commute. Shoutout to Rex... man did a pretty darn good job with the recording given all the variables he was dealing with. It makes me want to pull out Dave's #3 for comparison - to see how far he (and the band!) came in a month's time.

The vocals certainly suffered on the WOS recordings, that noise cancelling mic worked but was far from perfect. I think the band really enjoyed playing through the Wall of Sound and knew it was a special thing they put together, both for the fans and for themselves. You hit on a good point, mixing down to 2 tracks was a problem, I also recall hearing they were experimenting with quadrophonic output (at least on Phil's bass) and other sound projection techniques that may or may not have lent themselves well to two track recording.

They sounded great throughout this whole period and the band was playing like they meant it. Hopefully they had loads of fun as well. Whatever they were doing, whatever it was they put in the water, it worked. I am speculating that sometime in the late 60's to early 70's they realized the value of having a master and did not play they heck out of the original reel to reels. I suspect many of the late 60's shows suffered because someone was playing the originals too many times when they got home or at least it sounds that way. This seems true especially in 69, many of the tapes sound muddy and lack a crispness that does not seem to be the case in the banana box show recently released. Or it could be they are just ancient, and some benefited from better storage.

Thank whoever it is you thank that someone had the foresight to hit the record button. Without that, it would all be a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago.

First, the skinny columns on the new look for these forums makes the posts look longer than they really are.

Second, I can't believe I wrote something with more than six words and one paragraph that slipped past the Crapatcha and Ney How Nazis. Take that you IT weenies!

Has anyone in the U.K. NOT received it yet? My two friends who also subscribe got theirs last week. Thanks.

Immediately reminded me of Albuquerque when I started up disc one. Jerry bending the holy living realm out of the notes in particular. At times it sound like he's making his guitar speak old world Castilian. But then in contrast that very brief clean succession technique at the peak of Not Fade Away. Very expressive time for Jerry's playing. First set highlights would be Beat It On Down the Line, El Paso and Ten Jed. Second set is one giant highlight.

Yes, mine is still missing.

Still waiting for mine. I think it will sound great irrespective of subscription status....but it would be nice to confirm mr daverock younaughty teaser!!!

Is it safe to assume there are almost no new comments today as a result of efforts of the new director of Web IT at Rhino, William HeyNow?

Is it BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T POST?

And stop trying to socialize on Rhino’s platform.

To get that posted

Will this one work?

Looking in my book of October shows, I was surprised to see that 10/12/68 doesn't have a rose, marking it as one of the authors best shows after all. I though it had - a show so psychedelic you can hallucinate just reading about it.
What does have a rose is 10/1/94. I checked in 30 Trips, and sure enough, that is the 1994 show included. So I gave it a spin, for the first time since I got it. Jumping jehosophat -it's great! I've only played the 1st cd, but every song works.

Daverock, Boston Garden 01-OCT-94 is indeed a fantastic show!! This was the last GREAT show I caught in person. Some may be put off by the era/just Vince but it really does smoke right out of the gate. There are some era all-timers in there too - that So Many Roads gives me chills every time; I'd be truly challenged to find a better version where Jerry just pours it all in. Help>Slip>Franklin's, Scarlet>Fire, MASSIVE Terrapin...this show really hits all of the highs. I love the tone of Jerry's Deadbolt too during this period, sorta has that acoustic-y sound and twang. Good advice is to dive into this one if some of you haven't; I was thrilled when I saw it in the Boxzilla and couldn't have agreed more on the pick for '94.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

P.S. I've been 'Hey Now'd' so many times in the past week that I'd given up all together to try and post. If this one gets through, it'll be a miracle

Now all I have are playground taunts for the "IT weenies"!

I guess that the Vault revenue has them thinking they don't need to "build community" anymore.

Years of effort to curb scammers and hackers from user forums have been fruitless. Recently, the good folks in Rhino's Web Security Division have added coding logic to the CrapRightAtcha portion of their famed yet problematic web site that randomly blocks 97.92346 percent of all posts written regardless of content.

In unrelated news, Scams and Hacker Intrusions are down 97.92346% at dead net.