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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #891
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    On To Germany

    Starting Beat Club Bremen as I write. Is that Bob doing their own introduction?
    Some omissions in my Deadbase X in these first 6 shows I've done:
    4-11 list omits 2nd encore of One More Sat. Night.
    4-14 list omits a Ramble On Rose between Good Lovin' and NFA.
    4-16 list calls a Me & My Uncle "Uncle John" and omits the TOO jam before that song and after the Caution.
    And now I see Bremen does not list the duplicates omitted in the TV show airing? A studio recording session rather than a concert so it's interesting to hear the restarts and banter.
    This Deadbase was copyright 1997.
    Cheers
    Edit: And one more; 4-24 second set list is out of order and omits the great Jam between Me & My Uncle and Wharf Rat. Now I'm wondering if BITD the available tapes had these mistakes or were some from reordering to fit on CDs later.

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    I thought that Jesse Jarnow book was excellent - one of the best books I've read on the subject.
    There were a few good books on Psychedelia that came out about 5 years ago. A British equivalent to "Heads" might be "Albion Dreaming" by Andy Roberts. "Psychedelia and Other Colours" by Rob Chapman is also excellent, covering both America and Britain.

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    Yeah

    Can you imagine: not only playing for folks who have little or no idea what your about, but also many/most who don’t speak the language! Yet after almost every set and especially at the end, you can hear the crowds love it!
    The power of music, the real language, the real form of communication!
    Amazing!

    EDIT: Heads, is that book any good?
    I have it but haven’t read it yet?

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    Oro.. good job, you must not sleep much.

    DRock, I'm sure you are right. Beyond the few Americans that ventured East for that tour.. most did not fully understand what their tickets brought them. SimonRob was at Bickershaw, not sure if he reads this thread though. I also wonder how prevalent the psychedelic scene was. Jessie Jarnaw speaks a bit about the travelling circus and when / how it evolved in his book, "Heads." Beyond the few that were exposed early on and could afford the travel with no work, it wasn't until a little self-sustaining economy emerged before it became widespread. By 81, a few, but 90 quite a few.. we probably all know one (Lemieux for starters.. still in college)

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    One thing about the European tour in 1972, was that they weren't, as far as I know, playing to Deadheads. I seem to remember one of band said in print that the Newcastle crowd was the coldest one they had ever played to. I would think that most of the people who saw then that night lived in, or fairly near Newcastle itself. Didn't the crowd at one of the shows head for the exit after the first set, assuming that the gig was over? That also suggest an unfamiliarity with The band and their way of doing things.
    If this is true - it certainly didn't harm the music. It may have affected the way they played - and for the better.
    Having said that, I don't know when the Deadhead culture started in America - by which I mean when people travelled the land to see them. Up to a certain point they must have been playing to new people in The States,too. People who had no pre conceived idea of what they were like, but just went along because it was a rock gig. By 1990 everyone at Wembley seemed to be a Deadhead. I can't remember 1981 being quite like that.

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    “Oh ooo, half way there,

    Oh ooo smell my underwear” 🎶

    Yep, just finishing 5/3 for the first time ever, and I still don’t have any damn time.
    So I’ve been listening, sometimes multiple times, in order, but I haven’t had time to keep track.
    Oh well, guess that would be more like actually being on tour.
    4/11 was a first time listen for me. Another great E72 outing but it felt like they let go of the stick a tad after perhaps grabbing it too tight at the Wembleys? I’m guessing back in 72 in some of these locations there wasn’t much media etc. But the bigger gigs, like the first ones at Wembley probably had a level of attention and possibly sales via that attention, that might have made them, aaa, not stressful, but, would definitely like to start right. Add to that the natural energy of itching to play etc, and yeah, can see how Wembley got the freight train and perhaps Newcastle received a more loose presentation? I definitely noticed more miscues, start offs like Jack Straw, Good Lovin, others. Now they all grooved past these brief moments, and delivered fine versions, but maybe they show a loosening that facilitated elsewhere?
    Like an unusual Truckin and jam that covered some cool ground including King Solomon’s teases/coincidences? and some free jazz like moments (think Phil might of been quoting some actual song too?).
    Another sweet suite, including a decent CAT, though I think the 4/26 is perhaps the bar? Nice to hear, especially as a change from the repetitiveness. Same with the even rarer Brokedown!
    4/14s a blur at this point, they start to expand out more I guess, in several ways…
    A nice DS, and a big pork fest ending. All good, but I find others more to my liking?

    4/16, yes, agree, always felt there was something just a little different about this one. Perhaps being such a small informal, perhaps totally away from the spotlight! A brief chance to vibe like the ole daze, perhaps?
    4/17 is just too much of a monster overall. Perhaps why I think this may be the first time I’ve done the whole show in one listen? I have the DVD, and Ive spent time with that 3rd set etc. So that was a treat to be sure! I’ll prolly go back and hit the dvd of there and Bremen after, but for now I want to go in order…
    First time Ive just listened to 4/21, though we saw the Shakedown stream. Actually hit this one a few times. Love the stop and restarts, another cool inside look.
    4/24 is another that feels a little more aaa, whatever the vibe I can’t name is, not stress, or pressure, their certainly having fun, but like Wembley, and the first non English speaking audience gig, that tenseness, yeah, that’s the ticket, tenseness, the good kind!
    I think Phil especially was emotionally invested a tad more in the German gigs, and man does he and the boys take care of bidness! There’s a reason this was the first complete show they released…
    And of course there’s a big reason they released parts of 4/26! Another freight train!
    But I had never down the whole show until now, and was rewarded with good versions obviously left off only due to space required for 2 disc chop job. So that was cool.
    4/29 I think I’ve heard the whole show at least once, I know I’ve heard the second set multiple times, though not the encores, until now! Another sick show and big DS, and a proper Caution Pork fest to close. I’ve really been enjoying the 2 Souls, Chinatowns, amazing Hurts Me Toos etc, but not so much the Good Lovin, Lovelights? Not dislike, just think that stuff doesn’t resonate the same to this old guy as it did the young one lol. Just burnout?
    All good, just really noticing the other goodness more. But the Cautions have always been a big draw for me on this tour, and this one’s a beast.
    5/3 was a first time for me, today. The whole damn show just sounds like the actual E72 album (streamed version)?
    Like the sound of it, it sounds like E72!
    The reverb etc. I’m sure having? 4 I think songs on the album from this show probably has something to do with it, but I kept chuckling about that reoccurring feeling. So many songs on this one could have been on the album. It’s a strong show, and by now you can feel the subtle morphing of band and songs into one that’s taking place over the tour.
    It would be cool to take all the versions of each song and listen to just them in order!
    None more so perhaps than He’s Gone! But that’s a task for another time, which I don’t have enough of to do this proper, let alone all that lol, but at least I’m finally getting to em all and enjoying the ride!
    ONWARD!

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    1stshow - I was going to jump ahead to Paris this weekend - the shows, not the city - but I think maybe I should give Aarhus another spin after reading your comments. I can remember it's good, but I'm damned if I can remember why!

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    Three more down, seventeen to go, lol.
    All excellent shows. It's hard to find fault in any of these mammoth first sets but Aarhus (4-16-72) hit the spot for me of the three. Had great song selection, pace, and order of the songs was more to my liking. The second sets are where the special goodies are so far in every show. I'm particularly impressed with how Keith really shines especially on Pigpen's songs. His beer barrel style just fits perfectly. Yet his jazz chops are evident too as in the Dark Stars. Donna seemed particularly "engaged" on 4-14 at Newcastle and Bob is definitely going to lose his voice by the end of the tour at this rate, lol. Aarhus had a stately smooth feel to the whole thing which I found to my liking and would put it at number two of the five I've done with 4-7 Wembley still in first place.
    Discovered I had on tapes the Stepping Out release which looks to be an odd compilation ala the road trips and I also had Hundred Year Hall on tape, which was not a complete show release BITD. Gotta look through my tapes more often! Also had burner CDs of Rockin' The Rhein which I had also completely forgotten. Has four CDs with the Academy of Music filler so likely a whole show. Can't go there, got to stay in order.
    That's the news from EU. Cheers to all

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    Dennis.. tried this, it did not work for me. Kayaking is proving tricky also (I keep going in circles), but I'm working on it. Your friend Hound Dog played with six fingers.. imagine the chord work and finger picking that could be done, a 16.67% increase in productivity. Cheating to be sure, but man he could play the blues. Interesting side note, a friend of mine's wife was born with six fingers and I think toes. So was her daughter. The had the extra digit removed shortly after birth.

    Somehow Jerry got by with 9 1/2 fingers. After burning his hand, Django Reinhardt had basically two working fingers on his right hand and he more than got by and was a big influence on Jerry, especially circa 1973.

    Thanks for pointing me towards that youtube. That black and white looks more like 1923 than 1973 until you see that Fender looking guitar. Great stuff. Convinced me to get that Natural Boogie LP, but I seem to have misplaced the PIN of your wife's card. If you'd be so kind to send me a PM. I don't want it to sell out while it's still in my cart.

    As you were.. on to the second set of 9/6/80 for my afternoon hike. Life is good.

    Edit: Looks like Hound Dog played a pair of Kawai-made Kingston S4T's, so not exactly a Fender but a similar looking headstock.

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    If you were left handed you'd have nowhere to put your slide if you did that .

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:05

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Rollin,
Six Sixteen and eighteen from seventy four
Including awesome bonus material from kind poster here.
Thanks Again, yer too kind!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:08

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That’s one’s a gas!
Phil’s Lovin the new six string.
Must see tv

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/05/2023 - 08:16

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Instant classic, and one of my first tapes.

I'm trying to stick with one and two syll a ble words in hopes my post gets through.

Damn you evil IT underlords!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/06/2023 - 06:10

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and I got shut down. Curses! Foiled again!

Starting the morning with a big ole serving of 3/27/88 Hampton Set II. I feel better already. What a great show and great run.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 06:22

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I just don't know...

38 yrs tonight Rochester War Memorial yeah another of those brutal rainy blustery Ra-cha-cha days waiting in line,
but now out of the rain and smiles all around
Summer is gone, but the time is right

...if I'm going back again

Peace All!
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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 08:54

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I'm there! It's a warm and dry inside and the music is sweet (4 songs in).

Thanks Uncle T!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 09:29

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Nice!
Those were great shows!
Dancin/Midnight and that Let It Grow is RJ fo sho!
Fungus fest times 11
And the hotel nearby we were at was completely taken over by freaks.
It was one of those were there’s a cat walk/balcony with the room doors, so that everyone had their doors open and the place was one giant party!
One of these nights I went first row for first set, but think that was the last time. I had started getting was into the hippie shake, better sound, and less hassles that being by the SB provided. After that, it was GA only at stadiums : (

Or Hampton, good Hampton! Maybe Philly still in 86?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:27

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I'm going to give that a try today.

Cycled through two of the three 83 OB picks last week. Fun. By the end, the kick drum problem that seems to be in some of those 83 shows was beginning to rattle me. Like, you can't unhear it. I really wish someone would have insisted on a separate mix for the tapes and bringing back the reel to reels. Dammit Healy (said with my best Mr. Burns face and posture).

I really like the return of the Dancin in the Streets and Midnight Hour that came in that era. And the recordings cleaned up a bit from 83 and early 84. No disco Dancin's here, or as Phil would later say.. no the GD arrangement not the disco one.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:35

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…Mr Garcia doing his best John Lennon for this evening. Well, you tell me it’s the constitution, well, you know you better change your mind instead.
GA was always loads of fun, on this particular evening spent Set 1 spent in front of the board. I had not danced out of a building like that night since Satisfaction Hampton Spring ‘83

Last five
JGB: 11/8/81 Rider College Gym (audience cassette); attended and being 12 miles away it’s the closest Garcia ever got to my backyard lol, and then @ 11pm the house lights were turned on which was about ¾ of the way through Deal, if you listen to the recording, at that moment you can hear the band really kick it in!

Elmore James: The Master of the Slide (CD)
Neville Brothers: Live @ Tipitina’s Vol.2 (CD)
The TRIO: Oscar Peterson, Live 1961 Chicago (vinyl)
The James Gang: ‘Yer Album (vinyl)

I can’t get NO, I can’t get NO, NO, NO, NO...

Peace All!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 06:51

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Kicks arse!

Might just as well go 11/8 today since nothing else…
Might as well might as well.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:26

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Just heard that a certain "classic rock band" has tied Sinatra and Elvis for most albums (58) on Billboard's Top 40.

Wonder who that might be?

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Submitted by marye on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:38

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I heard that too!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 16:17

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Rhino will also reissue all eight albums from the Grateful Dead’s tenure with Arista Records (1977-1990) in pairs between now and July 2024 beginning this Friday, November 10th with the band’s final studio album, Built To Last, and Without a Net, the 3LP collection of historic live performances from the late-Brent Mydland era……

There’s more but I keep getting Hey now’d

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 05:11

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better bumper stickers should be issued!

Rock On!

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 13:28

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Just heard some bits of that on siriusxm. Never heard this before. I sense the birth of Fire on the Mountain somewhere in here.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 05:49

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Clever Androids with a penchant for mind bending music and perhaps a strong dose of whatever Dr. Thompson is having (no offense to our Wharf Ratt kindred spirits)

I also did a twofer of 11/7/85 rolled into 11/8/85 with a sprinkling of 11/9/73 as a jammy middle layer. What a nice little 1985 sandwich. It made for an enjoyable backdrop to a productive couple of days and what a way to break up any monotony that might have otherwise oozed its way into my otherwise sunny couple of days.

I got to thinking, I know I have seen Dancin' openers and Midnight Hour closers before somewhere.. low and behold they sort of did this a couple times, 7.22.84 (but they added a Brokedown Palace encore) and they came close a couple other times which found me listening to 9.16.66 Avalon Ballroom (simply amazing early Dead, Vintage Dead in fact) and yearning for 1.3.70 Fillmore East. Holy cow, it's amazing just how many Grateful Deads there were.. it is not just one band but many similar but different bands rolled into one.

Hola Senor Bolo, welcome back from your travels.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:23

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Okay, how does 5/5/1990 strike you all? I think this would be a first listen for me.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:51

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I can fit this in. Checking out the pictures of the show now. It was a hot one that day, 102 degrees. I'll add 9.16.66 and 1.3.70 for future consideration. 6.16.66 makes for a nice short little palate cleanser. A well known show, but man Jerry has some smoking guitar licks for such an early show in his career. If you heard just the guitar solos you might think it is the Airplane.

I'm a roll, very few hey nows today

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:25

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I think this can be done. At least I'm pretty sure it can be done, figured out or otherwise find a way to force this one through.

The world would be a kinder, gentler place if we could somehow figure out a way to dose the bots and androids that will one day become AI. I realize we are not there yet, baby steps, perhaps we can start with world leaders and work our way up from there.

ok, back to whatever it was we were doing, as It's the Same Thing comes to rollicking end I am shutting down my PC for the day and moving on the getting shit done and listening to music.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:46

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Right date?

I see none,,,, I see 9/16

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:28

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I’ve heard it, it’s good if not RJ?
I’ll toss it on DV while I’m working.
Vguy was there, maybe he can give us some deets?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:36

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9/16/66. I think it's show they sold as Vintage Dead

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:01

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5-5-90: yep, good but…
Felt the couple of miscues and vocal flubs kept from RJ status, but otherwise solid and enjoyable!

Vintage Dead, I have that on vinyl, I’ll have to dig it out!

Hit 11/25/73 Friday. Another good fall 73. Perhaps a slightly different approach with no big TOO or DS etc…

Going 4/16/83 today. Have heard often in the past but being at work and only crappy device, gonna fire it up just because…

Onward!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:02

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Man I love those shows!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 21:26

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First night since the hot shows at the Omni. This one was good, but not as hot as Spring 1990.
Fun first set, with LTGTR, The Race is On, Help Slip Franklins, Queen Jane.
Enjoyed the flow of Loose Lucy when they brought it back in March and a good one here.
Good second set. Will have to take a look at those other shows Jim.and OB.

Did you see the latest Dave L video? What a scene!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/14/2023 - 07:23

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had that KPFA-FM broadcast on cassette since about summer '91 and I seem to remember (only remember because of the placement of help>slip>frank) Brent and Phil dominating the mix in Set One, don’t remember much of the 2nd set, probably should go back to it...

ORO – Ra cha cha nice energy from the boys; Seasons round, creatures great and small, up and down, as we rise and fall, RISE AND FALL! going with 9/15/85 while outdoors today, got lots of maple leaves that need some attention.

Hit 10/19/73 Dick’s 19 on Sunday while working on a cellar cleanout, and continued Fall ’73 yesterday with 10/23/73 Set II (always a good laugh from that 1st Encore).

Peace All!
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A ight
Didn’t go there but I’ve had a tape of this one fo ever
Good Sheet Mon!
Good one for shitty device work modification!
Wild set list…don’t peak!

10/23, ha, yeah, too funny

EDIT: enjoyed 9/15/85, cool show. Yeah Jers voice occasionally has the rasp thing going on, but not as bad as some, and he plays his arse off while the band smokes on!
Good pick for anyone not familiar.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 10:38

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No problem!
Hitting 9/9/88 today.
Serendipitously ended up at 9/8/88 (good but not RJ) so figured I’d finally check out the rest of the run…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 15:59

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Good to see you back! How did you make through Hey Now?

88 spectrum shows. I need to check those out OB.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 11/17/2023 - 05:30

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When I started to initially post comments back in October, I was being hey now’d to the point of frustration. So it was at that point that I figured something I’m doing it’s not working, maybe it’s not recognizing my I.P., so I don’t log out anymore…and I don’t have to log-in, and their system still recognizes me.

I launch dead.net, and then click next to the pop-up to clear it, and at the top right of the screen is my avatar. I scroll over to the arrow, the pull-down shows various options and I click on "recent posts", and then I chose the “Title” of the posts I’m interested in reading and/or responding to. This process has been working well for me for several weeks, saving me time by not re-typing, or lost thoughts, and no more frustration, so I “jump fer joy”.

Peace All!
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 11/19/2023 - 17:57

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Been unseasonably warm here in MN so far this November. Been enjoying the last rounds this weekend.

Where were we

I see the end of the year sale is on. You can grab a copy of Here Comes Sunshine for 140. Wait you can't, because it is sold out.
However the Listen to the River Bo

Just wow. I can't post anything anymore, I keep getting Now Heyed. MDJim got this one through, but Jim in MD.. nothing.

Now I'm all pissed off.

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Submitted by MDJim on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:47

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So long as we keep it to single syllable words and sentences chimpanzees have said using sign language.

God forbid we comment on a show or discuss complex dark star passages, we will have none of that, you will get "Hey Now you can take that post and shove it up your ass"

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:50

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Marye, we are loosing posters and customers right and left here. Can anything be done to get us back to where we were? Just seems a shame that folks are bailing out. I miss them.
Cheers

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:56

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Someone noted they could post something simple, then went back and edited to add more, that did not pull the hey Now. My last post had a couple typographic symbols, did get the hey now until I removed them, so here's my first test with a clean post.

So that went through first try, no hey now, now now hey, here goes
!@#$%^&*()

and that posted fine, no hey now (second edit)

but it did not allow third fourth fifth of sixth edit tries...

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:54

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can't post without hay now

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:59

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lol

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:13

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Nothing, crickets..
If they at least had the curtesy to let us know what’s up etc, wether this nonsense, or the HCS nonsense.
This secrecy and/or just plain FU decades long loyal fans who give these folks way too much money and they can’t even be cool with us! FFS!

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:18

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many of us have spent hundreds if not thousands chasing this music, live and recorded

hmmm... under twenty words no hay now (first edit)