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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 2, 2021 - 9:40pm

#3231

JimInMD

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I honestly can no longer post complete sentences anymore

Unbelievable.. not trying to embed anything, these guys just suck. I had a two page writeup of 4 25 77 Springfield that will never see the light of day.

Getting horizontal now, great show.

This forum really sucks ass now that we cannot post without getting denied. Over and out.
September 2, 2021 - 9:25am

#3232

1stshow70878

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Dead Doing Hornsby Songs

I know I saw one. 12-9-90 they closed the first set with Valley Road. Excellent and at the time exciting to hear something new. Agree with Rockthing that Mandolin Wind would have fit nicely in the era.
Cheers all!
Oh, and wasn't Jerry on some of Bruce's albums? Can't think of the name of it but on the Muzac at work I would hear one of Bruce's that starts something like "35(?) weeks ago today" and I would just stop under a speaker to hear the guitar solo that, if it wasn't Jerry, it sounded just like him raining triplets.
Edit: Looked it up, it's called Across The River. Watching the video I didn't see Jerry but that sound! Yep the credits say Jerry! Bruce said it was probably only the second time Jerry hit the top 10 charts, Touch of Grey being the other. What about Truckin' Bruce?
September 2, 2021 - 6:32am

#3233

rockthing

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Chapter 1 of my new novel, War and Peace Part 2:

Picasso Moon seemed to sort of disappear from the repertoire. It would have sounded great to hear an evolution of this tune with Brent laying into the B3 instead of the synth sound similar to the studio version. CC Rider is never one of my favorite tunes, but that transition from CC Rider to It Takes a Train to Cry is sublime perfection. Totally did not see that coming. Top marks to both songs for that.

High Time and Black Throated Wind back to back? What was going on here? This is like a dream come true.

Again, Deal. What can I say. This tune is money. Somebody point me to one that /isn’t/ good. This one held my attention yet again.

Help/Slip/Franklins: Help is very cool. The Slipknot! goes into some unusual, very un-Slipknot-like territory during the jam. If I were to pick up midway through I don’t think I’d guess I was listening to Slipknot!. I’m always one for a big jam, but this is one time that Franklins Tower sort of overstays its welcome. I was actually glad to hear Looks Like Rain for once. Those glissando licks that Jerry’s playing are brilliant. I guess they’re the water falling from the sky. I think I like this song better around 90, 91. The Without A Net version that I haven’t heard in ages comes to mind, but this one is a real standout. The ending builds up nicely without becoming melodramatic.

Bobby’s doin’ all his little whammy bar harmonics tricks during Terrapin, and all through the show. These little accents are right on. It’s a great use of texture and controlled overdrive. He’s weaving in all sorts of little licks and fills, almost more of a Stones approach without actually playing things they would play. What’s with that little electronic hand clap around 12 min?! lol. That must’ve been Mickey. Here comes the MIDI… and more “hand claps” as this one totally spaces out before Drums. Definitely like that. Jury’s out on the hand claps, but I think Jerry must have been giving Micky a sly look over his glasses, and Mickey was probably grinnin’ like the Cheshire cat that ate the canary. Then there’s a little samba groove that pops up out of nowhere. So adventurous, and playful. Despite Brent being gone less than a year, Bruce Hornsby brought in such a positive vibe… and also refuses to let that samba idea go away even as the drummers switch to hand percussion… or perhaps because of it. It sounds like Jerry may have left, or started to leave the stage, but then came back. I think that melody is a quotation from an actual composition, but the title isn’t coming to me. So much things to say. So much things to say right now.

I was lying down sort of half dozing off by the time I got to Space last night, but I was impressed by how involved everyone was in it. It wasn’t just a couple minutes of aimless noodling before the climactic rave ups. They were really working out the improv and investing some ear time to this Space. I wish I’d been as invested in taking notes about it. Some more eloquent thoughts wafted through my inner monolog that have been lost this morning as I relisten to the Healy SBD.

Not much to say about the rest of the second set. Solid, I suppose is the best way to describe it. The crowd seemed relieved to hear the GDTRFB riff emerge from a pretty long space, which I personally had thoroughly enjoyed. We’re definitely in Beam solo territory here with Drums, though, so Space probably felt more like 20 minutes than 10, which might seem like an eternity when you’re standing on the floor rather than sitting in a comfy chair at home. Nice organ solo from Vince followed by a piano solo from Bruce, then Jer, I mean, everybody’s getting’ some. It’s great. Throwing Stones was obviously very dear to the band as a well-written manifesto of, at the very least, John Barlow and Bob Weir. It really is a great song, and a very groovy jam develops around Jerry’s guitar solo here, but not being confined to one day a week it suffers somewhat from over saturation. Personally I’ve always liked the vocal effects Dan Healy added to Bob’s vocals, but I guess Bobby wasn’t too fond of it. I liked that you could hear the murmuring of the crowd in the MK4.DAT.CDR AUD as The Weight was beginning, either recognizing it, or wondering what it was gonna be.

Bruce Hornsby must have seen or sensed the disfunction in the organization even in ’91 or so, or maybe just really felt the need to be THE leader of his musical direction, rather than an ensemble player. He fits in so seamlessly, yet brings so much to the table not only in terms of musicianship, but just adding a little light to the atmosphere. This really was a golden renaissance for the band. I love the sparseness and swing of the ’71 bar band period, but the grand expansiveness of this seven piece instrumentalist line up must be the pinnacle of the band’s evolution.

4/23/77? I'm not familiar with that one either. I see 4/22 at The Spectrum in the library, so my interest is piqued. Got some stuff to do the next couple days, though. Might add a few late comments if I get enough done.

:) :) :)
September 2, 2021 - 5:19am

#3234

Thats_Otis

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Shoreline 5/12/91

Really enjoyed this pick! Some flubs from Jerry lyrically in Terrapin, but more than makes up for it with the jam that follows. Overall good second set (GDTRFB), but I really enjoyed the first set. I love CC Rider>Train to Cry, and the Deal was HOT STUFF! Nice stuff!

I am hoping to have a chance to listen to 4/23/77, but it is not looking likely today :( Perhaps tomorrow.
September 1, 2021 - 9:42pm

#3235

JimInMD

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Springfield

Sounds good.. Enjoyed this one also. The Jam out of Terrapin was a treat. Jerry played his heart out in Deal too. The Althea and GDTRFB had their moments. The transition into Slipknot! was unique.. I think of the three the levels were highest in this one, perhaps a bit saturated especially for the Picasso Moon. Bob was real high in the mix too, so we got to hear his angular take on rhythm. Bruce really filled in the empty spaces nicely.. thinking a few parts in Franklins and throughout.. Looking forward to Rockthings more detailed listen, I was out and about but did fit in the whole show. Only half way through yesterdays.....

Onward to '77 (or do we mean backwards?).
September 1, 2021 - 9:27pm

#3236

DeadVikes

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5/12/91

This show is as good as the previous two nights at Shoreline. Man, to live in CA back than.
Althea, CC Rider into It takes a lot to Laugh, fun great music. Black throated wind.... Nice HelpSlip Franklins. Terrapin!

I always thought the band reached another gear in 91! Songs were definitely shorter but the music was good and they sounded great. I really didn't feel that way in fall 1990. These shows to my ears do not match what they did in 1991. I think they had to feel their way back after Brent died and had been with the band for 11 years.

Looking at a 77 pick for tomorrow.
I don't think we have ever hit up 4/23/77, Springfield. Let's do it.
September 1, 2021 - 5:03pm

#3237

rockthing

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Listening for the sound

> DeadVikes

Will do. Part of the fun for me is analyzing the various audience sources. I'm old fashioned. I still wanna download one for the home collection's virtual tape wall. ;-)

The show is hot, hot, hot. I wrote a bunch a stuff last night, but I'm holding off to let someone else get a word in edgewise.

I'd forgotten how much I liked this period. It's a real shame Hornsby couldn't have stuck around. He and Vince made a good team, but Bruce left a deep impression to climb out from. The "solo career" story line feels kinda odd when he could have contributed some great material to The Dead, and an even larger audience. They never did any of his tunes, did they? Can you imagine the jam they could have gotten into on Mandolin Wind?
September 1, 2021 - 8:26am

#3238

DeadVikes

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5/12/91

You should check out the latest Miller Rockthing. This is a Healy Pearson and it is spectacular. A+++ for sound quality. Just half through the first set. So good.

Check it out people.
September 1, 2021 - 7:31am

#3239

rockthing

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AUD Choices

Ah, Shoreline. This sits right at the end of a big gap for me between September of ’90 and June of ’91. Another round of “Thank You”s.

Nice variety of sources to keep me busy for a bit. Quick peek at the set list, and Black Throated Wind! Lookin’ forward to that! Post Space seems pretty routine, but who knows?

To start off, I’m A/B/C/Ding the four audience sources on the Archive using Deal as the bar. They never waste any time digging into this number so it makes a good tune to evaluate the sound.

The Gesine Lohr Audio Technica 815A source reminds me of the old tapes. A lot of mid-range frequencies. Phil is there, but you don’t really feel the bottom end. The sound is kind of nostalgic, though. Everything is perfectly clear, just not quite hi-fi. Coming back to this, I kind of appreciate the more well-defined bass guitar work with this tape. More of the various drums come through clearly as well. With more mid-range comes more piano, so Jerry’s guitar solo is somewhat falling into a wall of sound with Bobby and the keys (not Bobby Keys, though).

The Schoeps MK4 source sacrifices a bit of sparkle from Jerry’s voice to emphasize the low end of Phil’s bass, which is something that I kind of expected from an MK4 recording. The guitar solo pops up above the band nicely, though, and on a second pass, the bass is less over-powering, and more well-defined than the other MK4 source. The position is listed as section 102. Having never been to Shoreline, well, that doesn’t help me much, but I’m guessing that is not the Official Taper’s Section, nor is it in Front of the sound Board, but maybe someone can help me out on that. I’m starting to take a liking to this source, even though I had initially switched away from it more quickly than any of the others.

The Daweez Neumann KMF4 pull may be a little brighter than the Schoeps tape, but still has that Phil bass that you feel as much as you hear. On second (actually third or fourth) listening, The Neumann source sounds like it has the mid range frequencies scooped out. There are lots of bright highs, and Phil booms in here and there, but the drums and keys are kind of lost… which, may suit some, but there is a kind of metallic quality to the highs that feels somewhat aggressive to this ear.

The Front of Board Schoeps MK4 take, though, I think this has the best frequency balance of the AUDs. Goes to show, you don’t ever know. Must be something about the seats, or perhaps the signal chain. The first MK4 source might have used heavier wind screens. Hard to say. Same mics, completely different sound. lol. Whoa, Phil is shaken’ the room. Deep bass in this one, but Jer’s guitar is shining, and Bobby is right there in the mix. If anything, the drums may be getting a little lost. The keys are coming in and out of the mix, as usual, really. This has both Bruce and Vince, right? The last three recordings have a lot more bass than the first, but it is much less well defined. It kind of booms. Even though the bass is kind of a puddy of low-end, it somehow does not interfere with the other instruments.

The more I A/B the two Schoeps sources, the less I can tell them apart. lol (T_T) The second source has less info and a CDR generation in the lineage, but somehow feels more… I don’t know, “alive,” as if I can get a better audio picture of the space. I hear more of the venue, but in a good way. It feels more like I’m there, rather than listening to a recording. The similarities in these recordings are many, but the differences are almost hallucinatorily fleeting. I’m going with ID 9402 Schoeps source attributed to O’Connor. I must say, this Deal has kept me entertained throughout this comparison process. Eleven minutes of smoking’ Deal? Don’t mind if I do!

The only disadvantage of picking up the older submission is that it isn’t Y2K-proofed, and also comes ask SHN, rather than FLAC. No audio quality difference, just a little more trouble to convert for me, and that’s all on me.

I’ve not yet listened to the latest and greatest Miller SBD transfer.
August 31, 2021 - 7:47pm

#3240

DeadVikes

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5/12/91

Yes! For sure Shoreline 91 sounds fantastic for tomorrow. Thanks Jim.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

got DQ'd

for the rest of that post, dang it, which went on to say among other things that night before also excellent

(took a dozen tries to write that one pared down sentence above - jeez louise) can't even mention venue

set 2 is fire - grate china rider to open

december 12, '80 (ha, finally got the date in after 20+ tries)

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Branford Marsalis Royal Garden Blues (1986 vinyl)
april 28th 2009 The Dead at IZOD Center with Branford Marsalis, my last live sound experience with ALL of the remaining boys together
april 27th 1969 Labor Temple in Minneapolis (CD), Thank You Mr. Latvala

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Deep Purple Mark I & II (1973 vinyl)
Cannonball Adderley Live in Belgium august 1962 (CD)

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Peace!

Bluecrow

Yeh, the posting here continues to be a huge struggle.

Love those 80 shows. Bring on Oakland.

Can't get the rest of the post in.

12/12/80 again

as PT Barnum mentioned (and like i was also trying to say) this is the first show after John Lennon was killed. it's a beautiful intense show.

DV - I plan to check out the Oakland run.

Was checking out the 6th and 7th from Felt Forum run a couple days ago, as Obeah suggested. In case it wasn't obvious "young grasshopper" = bluecrow in wishing for a release of 12/5.

and I'm with Oro - less rehash, more unreleased shows!!

what a relief to not get beaten over the head with hey now this time around. still, built this up in bits and pieces

Another young grasshopper

I'd love a release of 12/5/71 too!

I also hope some of the off-the-beaten-track stuff from '78 comes out too. The laryngitis shows from January, for example. And if there was a board in the vault for 12/19/78 -- ohhhh, what a gift! The 45th anniversary is coming up for this, the one and only show played in Mississippi. If you've never heard the Stella Blue->NFA from this show, do yourself a favor and give it a listen. The transition is a thing of joyful, triumphant beauty.

Dec. 19, 1978

It's a '78! OK, I'm in today.
Reviews are all good.
Cheers

Wow! Impressive show. That Stella NFA transition is so smooth cool. The Truckin' and TOO were totally on theme, didn't stray much but extended nicely. That whole over an hour 2nd set jam is just tight. If the show doesn't get released that alone would make some good filler for a late '78 DaP.

Dec 19 1978 redux

Yeah 1stShow that is a great point. I'd be thrilled to have that 2nd set portion excerpted/released as filler if that's all that the vault holds.

I've always found '78 fascinating since the Dead's live performances don't follow the conventional narrative often seen when a band is experiencing friction and disunity. For a band that was about to experience a dramatic personnel reshuffle just 2 months later, you wouldn't know it from this night's performance.

And on that note, it's also interesting that the reviews say that the show was sparsely attended... it seems that sometimes a flat or sparse crowd can impact the band, with the lack of crowd energy translating to a decline in the overall performance, but obviously that didn't happen on this night. I'd be really excited to see something else come out of the vault from this tour or even the January '79 run. All the more especially if that Stella->NFA was destined to be disc 3 filler :)

12/19/78

The big question as to release (for this and other late '78 early '79 shows) is whether the master soundboards are even in the vault as there seem to be a lot of gaps in what they have. Set II here only circulates as an audience (a really fine one for sure). This show doesn't show up on the list of returned Betty Boards, either as reels or cassettes.

And for the record - hey now is still alive and well as it DQd most of my original post. I'll get to it eventually.

Phil is sure belting it out on Trucking!

12/19/78 cont.

Awesome show Obeah. Thanks for suggesting it. That Stella is beautiful, with the transition into NFA sort of like they've got a musical "foot" in both and that's saying something. Very cool. And a Casey Jones encore? My goodness! Here's hoping, young grasshopper, this one's in the vault and it sees the light of day!

…and that’s right, you heard correctly…

this week I’m on tour :) it’s 1981, and while this year is curiously under represented with (5) complete shows having been released so far, it’s a “Good Times” to get re-acquainted, and so I’ll be fahkengruven to
Oakland on 12/26, and Stabler Arena @ Lehigh on 9/25, and onto Indy on 12/5, and then off to Long Beach on 8/28, can’t miss a show in Europe so over to Edinburgh on 9/30, and back to the good old US of A in New Jersey @ Rutgers on 5/15 and remember…

…Same Happiness Different Tour!

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

december stuff

I'm really pleased to see so many folks enjoying 12/19/78! It's one of the remarkable things about Grateful Dead history: even those of us who are lifelong fans and who have traded far and wide can still find corners of the vault that we've yet to explore. It's no wonder Dave Lemieux always sounds so excited in his seaside chats; Ali Baba's cave would find itself jealous of the riches hidden within. We can only hope, as Bluecrow observed, that the masters of this show are quietly waiting to be revealed!

Speaking of December... 30 years ago, a Monday, and I was just getting myself together to get back over to the venue: the San Diego Sports Arena. Acoustics are rubbish in that place; a tumbledown barn half full of square hay would be better. Still, I saw shows from January-December in '93, and in a year of mostly sub-par gigs, the San Diego shows were two of the best that I caught. It was always my experience that the Grateful Dead played well in December.

Picks

I love 81, might have to check out some of those shows Uncle T.
There are definitely some great shows Post Egypt 78. I am little biased as we start getting more Shakedown Street songs.

I have 11/1/79 going this morning. What a show and run. Nassau, with a killer Scarlet Fire that appeared as hidden tracks on Dick's 13. Been done before here, but I go back to this run often.

Haven't heard from Jim or OB on this thread in a while. Hope all is well.

Man this is getting old

Sorry DV, my fine message got denied
Been lurkin, but busy and got them H N blues!

Jumbo’s under the weather and been busy, but bet he’s been lurkin..
So everyone wish him well!

Go Vikes!

Would love to post more, but my heads sore from this damn wall I’ve been bangin…

Posting

Hey OB, yes, the posting has been rough. None of my longer posts ever make it through.

Yes, go Vikes! What a squad. 3-0 barnburner last week. Losing Cousins was a killer.

Finishing up 11/1/79 today and then moving on to one of those 81 shows Uncle T mentioned.

Hang in there OB.
Get better Jim! Hope to hear from you soon.

Try, try again

Been hitting a lot of 88 lately including the other 3 Alpines I hadn’t heard, and the fine Frost shows. Also, all the fall tour. Hit a ton of 83 this year, a few nice 93s (nice surprise, just gotta poke around), and a bunch of 73, including that awesome box.
I’ve heard all 73s except 2 or maybe 3 only because of tapes. Same with 83 plus the last 3 of the year that I’m working on. Probably 90+% of 88, say 60-70% of 72, all of 71 except like the first 10?! Most of 74, and a lot of 79, 81, and 82.
Have dug in pretty well with most others except some of the primal years and last couple years…

Looking forward to primary 2024 focus on 84, 74, and some 94, with secondary focus 69, 79, and 89!
Should be another Grateful Year!
The Other One says she can hardly wait! LOL

Enjoyed the 12/19/78, need to check out more late 78, though I like spring so much I get stuck there lol

9/25/81

Qued this one up, and the sound quality is terrible. Charlie Miller's notes, "This recording basically sucks-it starts out bad and gets worse."
Will give 12/26/81 a shot.

You have been busy OB. Do you have any recommendations from your recent tours?

deadvikes

my copy aint that bad.

reeling in the years

Oro I am glad to hear you, too, enjoyed 12/19/78. I stumbled upon that show back in the day while doing my own surveying, in that instance a good deep dive into Stella Blue. There's so many ways to approach this catalog! I liked reading your plans for future listening. Myself, I've been bouncing back and forth lately between Fall '72 (as I've stated elsewhere, it's still such an unexplored country for me, and what fertile soil I've found it to have!) and 1984.

I'm a big fan of '84-'85 and wanted to get myself primed for Dave's Vol 49. However, like Fall '72, Spring '84 was another wasteland in my collection. I had the April show from the Alladin Theater in Vegas and that was it. It's been so much fun getting into those Marin Vets shows from the end of March!

I love hearing what folks are listening to. Y'all give me so many great ideas. I just wrapped up listening to 5/12/77 II...ty to whoever suggested it!

12/9/81

How about Dave's 20 from 12/9/81? It has been a while.

Boulder '81?

I'm in. Seven inch reel to reels, not cassette.
A Jack Straw tests their mettle.
Sounds like fun!
Cheers

Listening methodology

In my quest to attempt to hear em all, I’ve come up with a way to deal with anniversaries and still efficiently chip away at the stone…
I found trying to constantly worry about and have to choose lol, anniversary shows, sometimes gets overwhelming and in the way of progress…so you end up just listening to the same shows over and over…OR,
Also, no offense to the many who roll this way, but I find the This day in GD history approach too predictable and limiting, but that’s just me…

My system is to use the last number of the year for primary focus, and add 5 to it for secondary focus.
So next year will be primary 84, 74, and 94, with 69, 79, and 89 being secondary.
I listed 84 first because I’ve done most of 74 a lot already, but it will be nice to rehash some of the big dogs, like that awesome 5/14 show is due for a spin…
That way I can go deep on years I’m behind on, but still manage to get enough variety in.
So this year I was able to finish the rest of 73, 83, get acquainted with some 93, more acquainted with 78, and serendipitously a lot of 88. Unfortunately I was a lacking in giving 68 more love.

Of course any show can be gone to at any time chever way your pleasure tends.
But using this template has served me well, mostly in not getting a headache trying to choose all the time lol.

Of course there’s also the full tour method: listen to every show on a tour in order without any other dead until completed. More work but greater understanding and fulfillment as I’m sure 1stshow will agree after his big trip to Europe this year!

So, how do y’all roll?

12/9/81

Can’t say when, but like that 78 It’s on my radar for when the time is right…
Now I HAVE to check out that 9/25/81 show lol

Ha, I too checked out/enjoyed that 5/12/77 disc via good ole BC.
I’ve unfortunately never met him, but I can totally see listening to that out on the late night, back roads of the west in my minds eye!

Dec. 9, 1981

A distracted listen so take this comment with a grain of salt. Really good solid show but I can't for the life of me figure out what made this a DaP. There is almost always a set, segment, or even just a 3 minute MLB jam or the like that just shouts that this should be an official release. I did like the setlist and the unusual placement of Good Lovin' at the end but even my favorite thing to listen for, TOO, was a bit underwhelming. The end of 1st set China > Rider and the beginning of 2nd Scarlet > Fire were the highlights for me. The encore Satisfaction was good too!
The distraction was my sis called during my listen and we discussed her 4-24-70 GD show (or was it 4-25-70; see Jerry's Middle Finger discussion of these two shows as there was/is much confusion in the data as to whether there were two shows at Mammoth Gardens or just one) and I was telling her how to hear her show on the Archive. We also talked at length about the Denver Pop Festival of 1969 at Mile High. Look it up. Must have been fun until the end when the riot and teargas forced Jimi (and the original Experience in their last show) off the stage. Frank Zappa invents The Wave too!
Cheers

12-9-81

Maybe as Oro says, right street, wrong house.

I listened to it a few weeks ago and still liked it.
Maybe chosen because of the double whammy of China Rider and Scarlet Fire.
A lot of people were upset when it was released. I wasn’t one of them.

Anyway, doing the MSG Box today, 9-20-82 first, now on 10-11-83.

Methodology/Dave's 20

My methodology for listening is I have no set methodology OB. I tend to go with what I haven't listened to in a while when I am at home or what I feel like listening to. Particularly like to hit the box sets or all the other official released shows that I own. Also like to hit the shows offered up on this site from the fine people here. Love to explore the achrive.
My 2018 car has a hard disc drive that holds 250 CDs and right now it consistents of 90% Dead. I will probably have to keep the car forever as I don't to lose that library.

Dave's 20 is a good show. I like it. Upper echelon show, not sure. I think it was picked because it was a rare reel to reel for the time period and Dick gave Dave a copy back in the day. I will say it has more audience patches than any other Dave's released to date. Still enjoyable. The Scarlet Fire Estimated He's Gone is worth the listen as well as the Other One Stella Blue out of Space. Fun Satisfaction encore. Bob states, "we like it hear, we will be back." They never went back.

back home sit down and patch my bones…

now that was fun, got to say my 1981 tour last week really reinvigorated me, went to some mystic places I hadn’t been before, and heard some great passages that no deadhead should miss. I went on this tour because, after watching you toob [dreams we dreamed] He’s Gone: A Tribute to Brent, it was time to listen more carefully, and yes it was very well spent ‘Good Times’. What initially started as six shows, well, you know how it is when you’re on tour lol, ended in 10 shows…and when you get confused, just listen to Jerry play…I decided on these shows as I had never listened to 9 of them.

Here’s my tour list with archive identifier in case you need some ’81 in your life; great playing, awesome vocals, some far-out space, and some surprising jams that sometimes aren’t listed in the set lists of compendium’s, etc…
12/26 Oakland #84265
9/25 Stabler Arena @ Lehigh #148686
12/5 Indy #111784
8/28 Long Beach #113680
9/30 Edinburgh #151109
5/15 Rutgers #95751
9/26 Buffalo #18110
5/2 Phila #30152 [I attended this one]
5/17 was the only partial show Set 2 of Onondaga #112865
After 9 shows, I just couldn’t pass up listening to 5/16 Barton Hall #30647 (I don’t own 30 Trips box, so this was a 1st listen for me, and what a Shakedown.

All these shows are SDB’s with many having audience patches, that’s always just been a part of that taping hierarchy I guess, so it’s the GD warts and all.

and get back truckin' on, hey now get back truckin' home!
Peace All!
uncle_tripel

Why stop now

Uncle T?

Here’s some other fine 81 shows you should check out if you haven’t.
9/12/81 the whole Greek run is good
12/3/81
12/6/81
12/7/81
3/7/81
3/23&24/81
3/13/81
Stanley shows are good

I’m extremely biased but I’ve always thought 5/17 and 9/26 were release worthy!
5/17 gets overlooked because of SB BS, but there are some hot Auds and this show is almost better via aud!
I was in the 3rd row, JG was trying out the new McIntosh MC2500 amp, and he was screaming loud lol.
He just rips the whole show!
Had a final the next day and my ears were still ringing so bad I couldn’t hear the profs instructions lol

There must be something more than my bias about 9/26 because Dave has played it in various places a lot over the years…

All those December shows are hot and in mho better than DaP 20. 20s good, but I think all the others are better, especially Indianapolis.
I started doing E fall 81 but didn’t finish, need to hit that tour up sometime, think I’ve hit most of the spring one?

ISTSHOW: curious if your sis checked out the archive and what she thought etc?

Edit: checked out the 9/25/81 show and dug it. I didn’t go with the CM dissed version but I want to see how bad it gets when I have more time lol

Enjoying the Love for '81

Been away for a bit. Had the flu for the first time since the 90's, the shot did not work for me this year. Boy am I glad to have that behind me!

Funny 81 and the MSG box get mentioned here. Right before the plague found me, I hit up the MSG box in backwards order, starting with 83 and ending with 81. 3/9/81 is still my favorite in the box. The China Rider, for example, is creative and extremely high energy.. especially that thump at the end as Sampson starts. And what about those aliens at the end of Half-Step in the 83 show? Performance Art to be sure.

Dave's 20? It's ok, enjoyable.. it's light on the x factor though, at least to my years. Glad it came out but I agree with Oro.

One of the first shows I offered up on Pick of the Day was 8/12/81 at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City. I don't think the entire thing circulates in soundboard, but the parts that do are well recorded for the era. A nice little show. 81 is an interesting year, I can't seem to put my thumb on what it is.. they are a little all over the place but when they shine, they shine. 81 and 82 are the last years where Jerry still had a bit of youthful spirit in his voice. By 83, the gargoyles and gravel gremlins began to set up camp in his voicebox.

An oddity and certainly not a high-water mark for the year is the Cole Field House show in College Park, MD. No Terrapin at the house of the Terrapins that night, somebody forgot to send the memo. Still, an oddity simply because it has to be the loudest, acousticly terrible venue they played at that year and the tapes seem to support this premise. It came a little more than six months before my first show, I wish I was there to hear what the tapes do little justice in recreating.

That's all I have. I feel a post flu nap coming on.

Keep on kepping on guys, great stuff Tripple, Oro and others.

Oro

Sis did go to the archive and listen to her show. No response yet on her review but she gets busy and I don't hear from her much. She did tell me she was right up front crushed into place right in front of Bob Weir. There was a jug of Kool-aid being passed around but since she was already dosed she did not partake. She also got to see The Who and Jethro Tull in 1970 at that short lived venue. And she was at the Sunday show in 1969 of the Denver Pop Festival featuring Hendrix as the headliner. Pretty impressive rock concert resume for a high school kid. Then she moved to S.F., CA to do the hippy thing but says she did not remember going to shows in the couple of years she was there. Can you imagine? 1975-76 in S.F. and you didn't go to any shows? Aw, sis!
Cheers

Jim

Good to see you back Jim. Those flu bugs can be a bitch.

Love that MSG Box. Hope it sells out at some point. I think it is better for us if these sell out rather than sitting around for years.

81 hut hut hut

8/28/81: on a job etc, so didn’t get the best listen, but seemed like a fine show!
Interesting second set!

Yeah DV I’m about ready to give that box a spin, or at least 81 and/or 82 as I hit the 83s recently.
Just need to make it through the rest of the year…hopefully then I’ll have some more GD time.
Yep, you’d think sales might have an impact on what comes out?
Like how we haven’t had an 89 (cept Giants maybe?) since that overpriced JFK measly 2 show box…
Still sitting on those awesome fall 89 (think spring 90 quality) multitracks…

1stshow: Doah, picture palm to forehead: living in the promised land in 72 and no shows?
The HORROR! Say it isn’t so, ; ) LOL she did seem some great stuff though!

Glad Jim’s back from the Dead, or is it back to the Dead ; ) lol

I Had It Wrong

She wasn't in S.F. until '75-'76.
Could have seen the early post-hiatus though if she had the mind to.
Still hasn't answered me on the 1970 archive listen.
Happy solstice tomorrow.
Cheers
Edit: She loved it, she says! Said it brought her right back to standing there right in front of Bob. I'm guessing Bob noticed her as she was a cute (hard to ignore) teenager with long blond hair.

girl in the yellow underwear?

1stshow - it would have been something if Hendrix had dedicated Foxy Lady to your sister ! Meant respectfully, of course. To have seen Hendrix live must have been magical.

Mile High 1969

Fortunately for sis she was nowhere near the stage for the Denver Pop Festival as that's where the teargas was aimed apparently as the riot ensued. But just look at Jimi's setlist for that show (Sunday, June 29). A greatest hits list with Voodoo Chile > Slight Return as the closer. I'm sure I've heard part of that show somewhere and Jimi liked to talk a lot between songs as I recall.
Cheers

Mile High 69

It does look quite wild. Just been reading about it online- apparently it was last show by the original Experience. Looks like the whole set is on youtube, too.

10/3/87 Shoreline

There is a 2023 Miller upgrade of this fine show. First five or six songs are also part of View from the Vault III.

Always liked this late fall run in 87.

Happy Solstice

To all pagans, heathens, druids et al. Notice where sunlight falls today where ever you are. Celebrate at a megalithic site and rock on!

Longer Days

Right on DMCVT. Here's to longer days!

More time to enjoy life and listen to music. Time for a relisten to Here Comes Sunshine.

a good read

if you are interested, here you go

leathersmithe archive sonic journal

last 5
Johnny Cash: Live at Carousel Ballroom 4.28.68 [Bear’s SONIC Journals] (CD)
Art Tatum: Piano Starts Here, Live 1949 at the Shrine Auditorium in LA (CD)
The Ragpicker’s Dream: Mark Knopfler (CD)
Bunny Wailer: LIVE, Recorded in Kingston Jamaica Dec. 25, 1982 (1983 vinyl)
Steel Pulse: True Democracy [wealth maketh many friends, but the poor is separated from the neighbor] (1982 vinyl)

more 1981 is currently on-hold until the holidays have passed; I’m ending this fine year of new music with a re-listen of the HC Sunshine box set, and Mark Knopfler Box 1996-2007

Enjoy the holidays if you please, looking forward to more great music in 2024.
Make Tapes, Not War!

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

quick edit - ORO, forgot 2 thumbs-up for 8/28/81

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays people!

Hope you all have an enjoyable one.

Last 5

All vintage Christmas vinyl.
From 1956 - 1970s.
From tire stores and hardware stores BITD.
Cheers

Running Lionel trains later!

Random adventures of late

In no order as I can’t remember through the holi daze…

DaP 20
The 83 N ew Years run
12/18/73
12/19/73
6/14/85 2nd

mmmm adventures

I'm with Oro.

Been listening to a lot of shows from New Years Runs with just a touch of the Giants Box lately. 76, 77 and 79 got a lot of love. Somehow caught an annoying bug over Christmas, so that coming off the flu has me too tired to do much of anything useful. Once the daily routine is behind me all I have been doing is lying around, watching sports and listening to music and even that is leaving me wiped out.

Happy New Years all. Give more than you receive and don't let the Hey Nows bring you down.

Happy New Year

Happy New Year all!

Back to the grind tomorrow.

Dave's 49 hopefully by the end of the month.

What will the 2024 box be?
Will the site let me post? I have tried to post about the 2024 box set and it gets blocked every time. Why?
Edit, started RT. 4.3 yesterday from 11/21/73. It has been a while for this one.