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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Oroborous
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    I dug it as I do all weirdness, but imho that’s hyperbole....thinking that 88 (Laguana Seca?) just one off the top of head, or even that 12/31/76, there’s more....but it was a Bobbie dazzler just the same.
    More thoughts coming, but I think I need to call 911 first after the finish of the Bills game....I’m too old for that shite...their like the dead, always kinda flying by the seat of their pants!

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    OB - I dig switching it up.

    Let's see if the following holds true..

    "what’s widely considered to be one of the best versions of Playing In The Band since 1974."
    - Taper's Section from 3/14/17

    I'm down to go there.

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    RT 2.4 5/26/93 cuz I’ve never heard it and it’s fresh outta the wrapper!
    Snuck in the extra stuff from 5/27 last night and have just enough time to do 5/26before football.
    The 27th stuff was decent. The shakedown starts out sorta plodding, but JG immediately steps it up, good sign!
    Some of his vocals like High Time are a bit ruff, but that doesn’t bother me as much as some folks. So far I’d say it’s better than I would of thought in the past, but they’ve definitely lost some of their hutzpah by this point in time.
    I’ve never listened to much past 91 so far. I think I’m ready to check out what little official stuff is out, and perhaps the remaining shows I was at but haven’t heard yet....really interested in the 91 Richfield run, (the fornicating with whales run), as I seem to recall someone (GOGD?) saying they were good? I honestly don’t remember much about the shows Cept I liked em....and the extra curricular stuff ; )

    I’ve been REALLY burned out on dead, well, more like life in general, so I’m thinking what’s the best palate cleanse of all and still be playing dead....the 90s as it’s really the last frontier for me. So I think I might hang out there for a bit, but I have checked out some of the fun here and will continue.
    The 8/6/82 was a nice change and yes GOGD it is nicely Brentcentric, also did most of the New Years Pepsi challenge (didn’t get first 2 sets of 78 in). Went deep on 89, 90 and that fun set 3 from 82 on video. Actually saw all of 81 and 82 on vid for first time. The jam in the 72 show was “primo” lol. 69 was fine, and quite the weird set list. At first I thought they were a tad wobbly, but they eventually entrain nicely. 76 of course is top shelf, but I forgot how awesome that playing is!

    Also, weirdly, lol, is that a word? been really linked some how with that 12/6/73 Dark Star since that popped up. It’s like the one thing that really seems to release me and let’s me go to the happy place? The past month I’ve listened to very little dead, but that DS kept popping up?

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    Jim, give me what you're smoking!

    I need to have that frame of reference...

    8/3/82 TLMD is sounding good, I couldn't resist starting out with that track today.

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    The best is yet to come

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    Man, that was the life!

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    OB - That's good stuff.

    The House of Blue Lights. Might As Well.

    We're on a roll here today Yos!

    JimInMD 8/6/82 -
    Highlights - Bird Song, Lazy Lightning > Supplication, Jam after Saint, Space > Truckin’, Baby Blue.
    Brent is the all star, his playing is killer through out.
    Worth a visit.

    BTW this 10/20/84 is on old DL's radar, Shakedown> Sampson was part of 30 days in 2017.
    And he's played tasty cuts from 10/14, 15, 28, 31, 11/2 & 3.

    I gotta bail.. :)

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    Carrier Dome...such conflicting memories. The place sucked and the sound was worse but all 3 shows we saw there were good. It was about a 2.5-3 hour drive back then and and the NYS nazis were harsh on I-90 around those parts so some freak had the awesome idea to hire a charter bus. Can’t remember how much but for like 10-20 bucks? You had your ride and a keg on the bus and no parking hassles etc...might as well travel the elegant way! Needless to say a good time was had by all!
    So much so that we did it again 83! Can’t remember why we didn’t do it for 10/20/84.....but at that point I’m living in this old beat up farm house just out the edge of town with my band mates, which got dubbed the House of Blue Lights.
    This was because we had several McIntosh power amps, a blue outside light by the door, and because of this awesome song by Crowbar that we psychedelicised. Most freaks around knew if the blue light was on, the party was happening! Needless to say we went through a lot of blue lights LOL!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RK0A3vK21M

    So I’m living the hippie dream: no car, bunch of hairy smelly dudes all living together in this cheap, drafty old house, little furniture, but huge stereos, with little or no money, and what little there was always went to “supplies”, beer, and when possible more equipment. My rent share was $85 bucks, but in the winter it often cost double that for the damn gas bill. Even keeping the temp around 55-60 might get us a $400-500 dollar gas bill! For food I worked at a Italian restaurant so ate for free at least when I was there, the rest of the time? Scrounged...
    So typical for the times, when 10/20 came around I had a ticket, some red sweethearts, and no money.
    I was barely dressed and outta the shower when my cousins came round in the granny mobile: an old giant Buick centurion that you could fit like ten people in lol.
    Oh, ya need gas money, stick out your tounge lol, oh, you guys gettin beer, let me pitch in, stick out your tongue...
    Eventually we’re almost there but need a pit stop so stop at the last rest area before we get to Syracuse.
    Hmmmm, I’m hungry, who needs a hit? Lol, well funny now I guess but kinda crazy, as It only took me like five minutes to play Johnny apple seed and made about 75 people happy while also obtaining the desperately needed means to eat, drink, and see Jerry! A true symbiotic relationship as a former boss would say LOL.
    Like most I don’t remember too much, but do remember my house mate buddy and I doing a lot of hysterical laughing at this show, like when Bobs going on about bug eyed folks up front etc, well to us that was the funniest damn thing we ever heard!
    This is the beauty of Relisten/archive: that now, all these years later, I can hear great quality recordings of these shows and contrary to what I remember, their pretty good.
    As GOGD would say we truly are living in a great time to be a DH!
    Oh, from what I recall the 82 Jack was smokin’ too.

    LOL, I’ll see your drug bust, and raise ya a diabetic coma!

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    I have listened to 8/1/82 before but not 8/6. I will try and check it out later.
    There's a partial first set video on YouTube, not sure if the whole show exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdfjj_fFEY&feature=youtu.be

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    Does seem to be some aggression in this here Jack Straw!

    Everybody... Move Back.

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Alright, Firstshow, I will get 8/12/79 going today. 79, so many fantastic shows! Would love a box.

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Started on the Menke aud. which seemed the best but all the auds. had their issues. Got to the break between the first two songs and someone whistled right next to the mike. Found the fifth one was labelled soundboard and is great but a tad fast comparatively. Brent is up front in the mix! Can hear the banter between songs too. Woo-hoos from the band after Promised Land, lol.
We were in prime seats with a great view of that new guy with the long hair.
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Cannot believe I did not ever listen to this amazingly good show. I knew from memory that it was a good one but now I'm putting it in the top tier. The it factor has to be the Estimated > Eyes > Drums > Space > NFA > Black Peter. That is so release worthy. The fast tempo 20 minute Eyes is firing on all cylinders and the NFA with the long jazzy funky intro is one of the best. All on a crisp SB. 1st set does not disappoint either. Cassette master but I'll bet the speed issue was during transfer later. Will say more later if it will let me.
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And there is an exclamation point after them all! Brent fits in so well and doesn't even grab a solo until Estimated where he shows his stuff. Just subtly nailing everything, you wouldn't think he's the new guy. The China > Rider to start 2nd set is rough and ready! I bet if I had headphones on I could hear Mickey inviting the crew to play some bells in the middle of the second half of the thundering Drums > hand Drums. And the Eyes fades into a jam then almost a pre-drums Space. It's the rug that ties the room together Dude. I'll bet the drummers loved playing with and in The Rocks themselves.
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Got to do something as Marye seems powerless to do anything about this major screw-up!
Cheers anyway
1-9-24 edit: Marye says they are working on it (on 48 thread).

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But what’d you eat yesterday lol

Tried to post more, but, ya know…

Anyone have a pick out there?

Might have to explore some 91

Wish they would release last year's MUATM show from Solider Field in 91. Fantastic show and a great watch. I remember sitting in the theater and 80% of the crowd left before the encore. I mentioned to some of them there is one song left.

Be well out there.

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On new music, both a pile of jazz from Santa, and a huge pile of dead from our own DN personal Santa ; )
So I’ve recently hit DaP 14&15, To Terrapin, DL 1, DL 12, after hitting first 79 shows through the 15th

Yeah, don’t understand why they wouldn’t release that and 7/2/89 as they must have done all the production work? I still haven’t seen the 91…

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Oro, tell us your last five new jazz, inquiring minds and all that. Been away from music, visiting family and friends, holiday travel delayed because everyone was catching covid (again). New batch of CDs on the way, just listened solo piano jazz: Fred Hersch, Alone at the Vanguard. Hersch is great, however introspective/reflective, on the quiet side. Ari does Jerry, I waited to see if anyone else posted that on a certain cable network show last night at 6 pm eastern, host Ari did a spot about the weather, showed a photo of Jerry playing Alligator and used the Cold Rain and Snow as a headliner, so to speak. He's usually all over Rap and HipHop stuff, so to see Jerry, well yeah!

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I wish they'd release that also. The closest Meet Up At the Movies is hours from where I live and I can rarely make it.

Oh well. Enjoyed the Red Rocks 79 show, a few days late and many dollars short, but I made it. Perhaps I'll fit in June 91 Soldier Field too.

No Hey Now. Getting this post through is giving me a little survivors guilt. Rock on. They're playing the Duke University Fall 78 show on Sirius XM right now. That one's gonna get released one day. There's video too somewhere, Jerry giving a helping hand with drums and practically break dancing on US Blues.... About the happiest you will see him playing. Animated Jerry.

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Does cite GD lyrics from time to time.
I was walking by the TV and saw that last night. A wait, what doubletake.
Cheers

Jazz? Check out Scofield doing UJB on GD Hour filler this week.

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indeed that's on my list. Sco fan. Resisted for a while but have been diving in to Matteo Mancuso's stuff, before I have to burn my guitars in shame. Looking forward to a couple local performances coming up of the Vermont Mandolin Trio, Matt Flinner, Will Patton and Jamie Masefield. Matt joined Mr. Sun last month for their Nutcracker show at Chandler, fantastic on banjo and mandolin, Jamie founded the Jazz Mandolin Project up in Burlington in the early 90s with drummer Gabe Jarrett, son of Keith.

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Live at Tonic CM band
Amad Jamal At the Pershing…
Chic Corea Now He Sings…
Kenny Burrell Midnight Blue
Michael Breaker Tales of the Hudson
George Benson Essential
Pat M Day Trip
MJQ 4 classic albums
Charlie Christian collection
Bird with Strings
MD Round About Midnight
Red Garland 4 classic albums

Think that’s this years batch?

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Sounds perfect, will check it?
Been thinking bout that Sco, but good for now lol.
Imagine you have the David Murray?

Today
DL 12, again lol
9/3&4/80

EDIT: MUATM, never been, also too far..luckily saw most during the Shakedown Stream summer Covid party! But not Chi 91 : (

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Like the Fox shows and Huntington perhaps even better!
That whole tour rocks and would make a sweet BB box!

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Good stuff Oro! Maybe said before, when in high school, late 60s, listening to the Stones, the Dead, JA, MC-5, Led Zep, Hendrix etc, a friend convinced me to listen to jazz I had never heard before. Yep, knew a little Miles and Coltrane, Dizzy G, Eddie Harris, The Meters but he spun for me Chick's Now He Sings and Keith Jarrett's Somewhere Before which opened up my ears more, made me a fan of great jazz piano. Fred Hersch has a lot of stuff out there, a good starter with Bill Frisell, Songs We Know. Also a fan of McCoy Tyner, Kenny Barron, Paul Bley.

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RT 2-1 MSG 90
Checked it out tonight, good sheet Mon!

DMCVT: used to be more a bop and fusion fan.
Usual suspects etc
Just getting mellow in old age I guess lol
Piano jazz is relatively new thang, Bill Evans currently da shite, but so much to choose from. Really, I’m just getting going into jazz. Always dug it, but never dug in. The older I get, the more I dig instrumental music. Think that’s part of it?

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Decided to listen to most of this show today. Really good recording from Pearson Healy and Miller with the transfer. Fun show. 91 has a such a different feel and I really like it. Need to be in the mood for it. I often think why the hell did I not make it to any shows in 91 you dumbass.

The 90 MSG mix from RT2.1. Another good release here OB. Tomorrow I will get it going. I seem to recall the bonus disc from this release is very good as well.
I say release all the MUATM shows. Why not.

Edit: Funny OB, I listened to the DL 7 shows from September 1980 on Monday. Really good show(s)!

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Right you are, Oro.. in my mind I had Duke Univ. pegged for the fall but when I saw Huntington and other fall shows I had to look it up, April 12th.

91 - There's some great chemistry in different places in 91. I really like the Dicks Picks (17) from that year. They played the Eyes of the world from the filler 3/31 (Greensboro NC) last night. Great filler from Hornsby and they get a nice sublime groove underneath it all.

Ari does seem to pull out a GD Rap with little effort. I'm amazed at how common subtle GD references have become. It's good to see so any different people still dropping the GD on us when we least expect it.

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A taste on Jam-o-week.
4-18-78; Nice Sugaree.
Cheers

Edit: Isn't this the part we missed on the filler on DaP 37 W. & M. ? Sweet!

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This is a good release. Love the jams out of Let it Grow and Foolish Heart. To lay me down, Eyes, Estimated and Foolish Heart leave me wanted more from this release. I think they started gelling more in 91 than their first shows without Brent in fall of 1990. However, I haven't listened to much fall 90 other than the shows and complications released. I will have to take a look at some more shows from this time period.

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4-16-78 betty board.anon.noel
playing now.

Sounds a lot better than the cassette I had years ago.

Also got a copy of 4-14-78 betty board.anon.noel loaded on the music player. Don’t think that I’ve ever heard that show.

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Looking at 7/10/89 from the wonderful Giants Stadium Box set. Of the two 89 shows in this box, I haven't listened to this one very much. I tend to typically go with 7/9 with that Shakedown opener and the Birdsong to close out the first set.

Time to get it going.

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Next day or two…
Still cruising early 79 with my big 45th mañana!!!
My do somethin er, special ; ) where does the time go!

And, of course, other extracurricular activities to attend to also this WE, but, shhhh, don’t wanna jinx anything…

I wish I was still 45, but that ship set sail long ago lol
But thanks for the kind salutation!
My first Dead show was 45 years ago tonight!
What a long strange trip it still is!

EDIT: I was 45 when my avatar picture was taken ; )

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Happy 45th Anniversary OB. Shea's Buffalo Theater. Would love a recap. The tall end of the Keith and Donna era. Must have been a blast.

On a side note, I love Dave's enthusiasm, but there are currently four Dave's Picks for sale. I don't think I have ever seen that.

Go Bills!

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Mamma mamma many worlds I’ve come…
I somewhat documented it on the show page. I won’t bother trying here, cause, ya know ; )

Hope Dave’s not just doing the Dave!

🤞nervous wreck about the other…

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I'm on that Buffalo show!
There's a beautiful Jerry Moore recording on the archive.
Very clean sound!

Edit: Donna is absent from this show.

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That Moore is a good tape! Says Sony TC-D5M recorder with mikes way up high in 6th row. Serendipitously I just looked at some decks from a high priced vendor and a restored one of those Sonys was like $700 to $1900! Say what? Are they that good? It ain't a Nak.
Cheers
Edit: Nice set list! And it has a Dark Star!?!
Edit 2: Nice write up ORO! I'm always surprised by how many comments are "first show". Hey, we're all at the same show today, lol. Pass me that jib.

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Trying to remember lol
It is a great aud!
Shows unusual, which to me makes it nice.

Yeah man, that January tenth show could easily be edited to under three an a quarter hours, which would leave just enough time for a nice slice of January twenty say from that groovy Serengeti drum jam through maybe NFA. Make a cool DaP, Of course that’s if there’s tapes, which word on the street is nadda : (
Hey, a girl can dream ; )

Nice to see folks hangin round!

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I'm really partial to that Shea's show! I think there are several factors in play for me, including it being an early tape in my collection (I only had set II) of a really good audience recording. I enjoyed the timbre, the feel of the room. I know today it looks like a standard set list if you discount the DS but back then I didn't know differently. And I was really familiar with 12/31/78, so this night just felt on a continuum since I didn't know anything about band internal dynamics etc. Oroborous' review (thank you for typing that all up!!) was lovely to read. This afternoon I have been listening to 1/7/78 - one of the laryngitis shows in San Diego, and the night before the 'Uncle Bobo' show - but afterwards I think it's time to jump ahead a year to this night in Buffalo.

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I'm not sure if there's a better to place to put this - and I've been ludicrously busy at work all month, so maybe this has already been discussed elsewhere - but is there a thread or discussion of Dave's recent 'Spend a Little Time on the Mountain with Dave Lemieux' YT video?

"And then I won't give anything away, but #51, I've been working very closely with Jeffrey Norman the last few weeks on #51... of course it's a complete show... there was a little bit of extra room, and we are rounding it out with music from a show that we released awhile ago... a couple picks ago... that wasn't complete because there wasn't room. [...] So if you want to finish off another complete show that was part of the Dave's Picks series, I won't tell you what show it was, what pick it was, no hints... but it will complete that show as well."

So surely that must be the rest of 10/24/70 St. Louis. But, does that imply we're going to get a Pigpen (and perhaps T.C.) release for Volume 51!?! I'd love to think so, esp after Dave all but said Vol 51 won't be a Keith nor a Brent era show. But I guess the presence of some 1970 filler doesn't guarantee that the 'main entree' will be from a similar year; after all, Dave's Vol 44 is a 1990 show that has that Cold Rain & Snow filler from December 1969...

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1/20/79: bit of a creeper. Bobs strong throughout, JG hit and miss for a bit, eventually comes around. Perhaps freaked out by whatever went down…
Beginning of second sorta status quo, the rest, sublime trippy goodness!

1/21/79: mediocre aud, good energy though! True professional road warriors just push on through the adversity and git er done!

7/10/89: good call DV. I usually go with the Shakedown too, so it was nice to hit this one. Needed a good stranger. Always enjoy a nice Little Light. You can hear Jerry smiling during Foolish Heart. (He’s singing, but you can tell he’s smiling) Forgot about the fun train wreck ending in Masterpiece. Man those 89s sound so good!
Release the Multis! Fall 89 baby!

And yeah conekid, those are good, I like theFox shows even better!
another trove of ridiculous sources just sitting there going to waste!
Release the Beatty’s! Spring 78 baby!

Also,
Primal Dead 66-70
Summer 85
Fall 91
First six of 73
Summer 76

OBEAH: ditto on 51

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Nice work OB. Yes, I enjoyed this show as well. Not your uncle's Franklin's, but still good. Good Jack a Row. Nice Foolish Heart second set opener, good Playing UJB. I was surprised to hear the Iko Iko out of Space and I thought who else is singing here. Oh yes, the Nevilles came out after Space. Totally forgot about this. Good Watchtower, which I really liked in the late 80s. We get a great Dew, Sugar Mag, KOHD.

I think we have all the July 89 shows released with the exception of the Alpine shows, Deer Creek and Foxoboro. Let's get those out.

I will check out those 79 audience recordings OB.

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I need a little summer 71. RT1.3 rolling. A lot of raw energy on this one.

Sorry about the Bills OB. They definitely had their chances.

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They certainly did…beat themselves Bills did it again.
I’m not talking the kick either, that game never should have gotten to that.
But, ce la vi

I’ll fire that up after I’m done with February 89.
Quite the difference from early 79 which I finished yesterday.

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Where’s Waldo, er a, I mean Jimbo?
Know he’s scheduled for some slicing and dicing next month, but getting worried since we haven’t seen hide nor hair in too long.

EDIT: boggles my mind why they wouldn’t drop 7/2/89 since they did something ? to it for MUATM? Deer Creeks awight, but I wouldn’t rush on it.
We know fall is sweet, but I’ve not explored early 89 yet. So far, solid…

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I have tried to post several times but denied by the Hey Now police.

Looks like we lost Mr. Ones for the same reason.

Hey Now dead net.. the Cone of Silence you installed here is not working properly.

What? Hey Now, I can't hear you. What? Himey, kill the lights.

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I cannot seem to discuss the weather without getting hey nowed.

We did get at least a foot and a half of light fluffy snow in the mountains here the last couple weeks which explains my absence. Busted arm and all, I did manage to fit in days of downhill and back country skiing with friends and family. Don't tell my mom or my orthopedic surgeon. The hills of WV are exquisite with a couple feet of soft fluffy powder. Unfortunately, it gets harder as you older. By yesterday morning I could barely move, my teenage son on the other hand just can't get enough snow fun. What are you supposed to do when the kids get better than the teachers? Grounding? Chain them in the basement until they understand humility. It's humbling trying to keep up with the kiddies.

I had written a much better description, but something about the weather or the mere mention of Fred Sanford clutching his heart gasping for breath got me hey nowed...

Been listening to a bit of 71, 72, 74, 89 and some Jerry Garcia Band as a palate cleanser. Last month I did a deep dive into the MSG box, the last couple weeks the Giants Box got hit. Both good but the Giants Box seems to be a step above. I keep coming back to the 81 shows in the Garden box, there's something extra there, that China Rider smokes.

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It’s Grady!

Yes many a man’s done a terrible thing, just to bash endless days of pow pow, sigh. Used to be me, but alas, the old bodinski can’t handle it anymore, for as you say: bashing the pow IS hard work!

Glad your ok and digging it in spite of other complications etc!

Yass, need to hit 81 and 82 of MSG, did 83 recently.
89 baby! It’s always been a top one for moi, but gonna dig deep this year!

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Any February 89 recommendations OB?

Love that MSG Box Jim. It is so different than all the others. Looking forward to whatever this year's box will be. A good amount of snow out East, we have none now.

So many good shows in 71. Enjoyed RT1.3 today.

Be well people. Hey Bluecrow!

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doing alright here in my cave up in the hills (everything else i wrote got the H-N treatment) Boooooo.

I'll be back : )

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i've always loved that RT 1.3, esp Yale Bowl