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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Same song - different style

    Jim - very true . The last two shows I played -12/12/69 and 10/17/72 both feature China Cat/Rider, Cumberland Blues, Casey Jones, Uncle Johns and Black Peter. Two of my favourite years, and interesting to hear how different they could sound playing the same songs.

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    Yes.. absolutely. I guess this gets lumped into eras.

    I have my favorites.. but the fact that for most of their 30 years they kept evolving, changing things up and experimenting is perhaps understated. They cannot be accused of being one hit wonders.

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    Maybe just me but I dug the second night much more than the previous. Sweet Scarlet/King Solomon’s, one of my favorite tunes! All around good set list and they seemed more settled in. Dug Jason Crosby on keys as I’d never heard him before. Love Holly but it was a cool change up.

    Sorry Dennis, another foot of snow and errands so just getting to the mine.

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    Change in sound change in life

    Change of personnel was also a factor in the change of the bands sound. Mickey joining in late 67 meant that the sound of 1968 started a few months early. And so on and so forth as people emerged, disappeared..and in Mickey's case came back again. I can't honestly remember now what they sound like, but I would think Keith's last few shows in early 1979 were more like 1978 shows than what are normally thought of as 1979 shows when Brent came on board.

    It is a convenient device, though, splitting lives up into years. But it can be a bit artificial. People get born and die at different junctures - we meet and part at random times.

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    The great task in life is to find reality……

    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Hallandale, Florida December 29, 1968

    Without art, the crudeness of reality would make the world unbearable…….

    High art? Low art? Grateful Dead art!!!

    The Dead played numerous festivals in the late 60s, this being one of the earliest big East coast ones. Due to the constraints of time and circumstance, the Dead’s “festival sets” from this era sometimes have a shortened, condensed feel. The “all wheat, no chafe” approach, which usually worked well and was well received…………

    Here, the band starts out greasy, then shifts into a big jam sequence that carries through to the end of the set. Things are truly focally shortened, but there’s some decent jamming to be had. Very good recordings of this set circulate, and while there are some edits and drop-outs, it is still worthy of your consideration…………..

    There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other……

    Rock on!!!

    Doc
    Few people have the imagination for reality…….

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    It's convenient to divide the GD by year for a couple of related reasons. They often took January and February off to write and record. While they were busy doing this, the alchemists and wizards were often testing out new equipment which was all rolled out and broken in on the Spring Tour each year.

    So it's convenient to break things out by year, but that's not what drove change, it was the new toys and new music. Wolf. Late '77 was the return of the Wolf, and it sounded magnificent.

    That's my take. We say years mainly because they retooled the first couple months most years, that is until the 80's and as they played larger arenas and demons settled in.. they practiced and recorded less and instrument changes were less frequent / less dramatic.

    Man I really liked the Wolf.

    Oh, and OB - Streaming last nights show as I write this, that is until I fall asleep (won't be long). Cumberland out of the gate was great.. I think the they could use a lead guitar with more thunder. They have two wide body clean guitars at work, they need to add a little Hendrix or wolf and turn it up. Twangy and clean tones, they need something that will part the red sea so they can get on with it. That's my take. Still enjoyable. Time will tell.

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    It often seems to me that 1977 shows from September onwards sound more like 1978 shows than they do 1977shows from earlier in the year. A bit more rocking - more rough and ready and less smooth. Jerry switched guitars in September 1977 to the Wolf, and that one seems to me to have a more overdriven sound than the guitar he used in 1976 and the first half of 1977. And this was the guitar he played on through 1978 too, I think.

    Maybe it's a bit arbitrary, splitting the bands music up into years. I would have thought they carried on regardless of what month or year it was. Thinking of it personally, I can't imagine I will feel any different, or do anything differently next week, just because we will be in a different year to the one we are in this week.

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    From over on the 44 thread. 11-5-77 DiP 34
    Where everyone else is doing anniversaries 12-28-79, 80, etc.
    of some memorable runs.
    His point well taken that this is damn good.
    And hopefully a telling warm-up for DaP45.
    It is just exactly damn good. The Big River smokes!
    Cheers
    Is it my imagination or does '77 seem to get better the closer it gets to '78?

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    Hope everyone is having a enjoyable holidaze!

    Not much Dead for me lately, but I usually take some time off this time of year.
    Didn’t do the 78 as that’s one of the other three Dicks I don’t have yet so I’ve purposely never heard it as I’m saving my virgin listen for Realgone at least to reissue “official” version.
    Down to 3: #13 I have copies, 10 I finally heard here on POTD recently, but the 78 I’m saving!

    Hopefully I’ll start easing back in next couple days…

    Watched Phil last night, sorta…dozed off and missed Cassidy and part of Eyes, and had net drops a lot, especially near the end so…hopefully tonight that will be better?
    Maybe it was just me but I didn’t think they were on last night?
    Not bad, certainly seeing Phil at this point is always cool and enjoyable, but I feel like it was not quite at the superb level of the Colorado shows I watched last year?
    Phil still brings it, but I actually noticed some misses etc that you don’t usually hear with Phil.
    Guessing their just a little rusty and he is getting up there so going off how my fingers are, imagine age might be finally factoring in? Hopefully tonight they’ll be more settled.
    Again, we’ll worth the hassles to see the big guy again.
    Remembering a sweet Mission encore and a Rock Steady, both firsts for me, so cool their still mixing things up!

    Go VIKS, hopefully they can outlast/outrun the damn Cowgirls.
    Philly who knows, they sure look good on paper…
    Bills have a tough road ahead with Bungals and Patsies again, while the Chefs play no one, again…funny how the Chefs and Bucs get such easy schedules when they both were in the playoffs?

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Alright, Firstshow, I will get 8/12/79 going today. 79, so many fantastic shows! Would love a box.

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Started on the Menke aud. which seemed the best but all the auds. had their issues. Got to the break between the first two songs and someone whistled right next to the mike. Found the fifth one was labelled soundboard and is great but a tad fast comparatively. Brent is up front in the mix! Can hear the banter between songs too. Woo-hoos from the band after Promised Land, lol.
We were in prime seats with a great view of that new guy with the long hair.
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Cannot believe I did not ever listen to this amazingly good show. I knew from memory that it was a good one but now I'm putting it in the top tier. The it factor has to be the Estimated > Eyes > Drums > Space > NFA > Black Peter. That is so release worthy. The fast tempo 20 minute Eyes is firing on all cylinders and the NFA with the long jazzy funky intro is one of the best. All on a crisp SB. 1st set does not disappoint either. Cassette master but I'll bet the speed issue was during transfer later. Will say more later if it will let me.
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And there is an exclamation point after them all! Brent fits in so well and doesn't even grab a solo until Estimated where he shows his stuff. Just subtly nailing everything, you wouldn't think he's the new guy. The China > Rider to start 2nd set is rough and ready! I bet if I had headphones on I could hear Mickey inviting the crew to play some bells in the middle of the second half of the thundering Drums > hand Drums. And the Eyes fades into a jam then almost a pre-drums Space. It's the rug that ties the room together Dude. I'll bet the drummers loved playing with and in The Rocks themselves.
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Got to do something as Marye seems powerless to do anything about this major screw-up!
Cheers anyway
1-9-24 edit: Marye says they are working on it (on 48 thread).

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But what’d you eat yesterday lol

Tried to post more, but, ya know…

Anyone have a pick out there?

Might have to explore some 91

Wish they would release last year's MUATM show from Solider Field in 91. Fantastic show and a great watch. I remember sitting in the theater and 80% of the crowd left before the encore. I mentioned to some of them there is one song left.

Be well out there.

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On new music, both a pile of jazz from Santa, and a huge pile of dead from our own DN personal Santa ; )
So I’ve recently hit DaP 14&15, To Terrapin, DL 1, DL 12, after hitting first 79 shows through the 15th

Yeah, don’t understand why they wouldn’t release that and 7/2/89 as they must have done all the production work? I still haven’t seen the 91…

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Oro, tell us your last five new jazz, inquiring minds and all that. Been away from music, visiting family and friends, holiday travel delayed because everyone was catching covid (again). New batch of CDs on the way, just listened solo piano jazz: Fred Hersch, Alone at the Vanguard. Hersch is great, however introspective/reflective, on the quiet side. Ari does Jerry, I waited to see if anyone else posted that on a certain cable network show last night at 6 pm eastern, host Ari did a spot about the weather, showed a photo of Jerry playing Alligator and used the Cold Rain and Snow as a headliner, so to speak. He's usually all over Rap and HipHop stuff, so to see Jerry, well yeah!

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I wish they'd release that also. The closest Meet Up At the Movies is hours from where I live and I can rarely make it.

Oh well. Enjoyed the Red Rocks 79 show, a few days late and many dollars short, but I made it. Perhaps I'll fit in June 91 Soldier Field too.

No Hey Now. Getting this post through is giving me a little survivors guilt. Rock on. They're playing the Duke University Fall 78 show on Sirius XM right now. That one's gonna get released one day. There's video too somewhere, Jerry giving a helping hand with drums and practically break dancing on US Blues.... About the happiest you will see him playing. Animated Jerry.

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Does cite GD lyrics from time to time.
I was walking by the TV and saw that last night. A wait, what doubletake.
Cheers

Jazz? Check out Scofield doing UJB on GD Hour filler this week.

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indeed that's on my list. Sco fan. Resisted for a while but have been diving in to Matteo Mancuso's stuff, before I have to burn my guitars in shame. Looking forward to a couple local performances coming up of the Vermont Mandolin Trio, Matt Flinner, Will Patton and Jamie Masefield. Matt joined Mr. Sun last month for their Nutcracker show at Chandler, fantastic on banjo and mandolin, Jamie founded the Jazz Mandolin Project up in Burlington in the early 90s with drummer Gabe Jarrett, son of Keith.

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Live at Tonic CM band
Amad Jamal At the Pershing…
Chic Corea Now He Sings…
Kenny Burrell Midnight Blue
Michael Breaker Tales of the Hudson
George Benson Essential
Pat M Day Trip
MJQ 4 classic albums
Charlie Christian collection
Bird with Strings
MD Round About Midnight
Red Garland 4 classic albums

Think that’s this years batch?

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Sounds perfect, will check it?
Been thinking bout that Sco, but good for now lol.
Imagine you have the David Murray?

Today
DL 12, again lol
9/3&4/80

EDIT: MUATM, never been, also too far..luckily saw most during the Shakedown Stream summer Covid party! But not Chi 91 : (

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Like the Fox shows and Huntington perhaps even better!
That whole tour rocks and would make a sweet BB box!

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Good stuff Oro! Maybe said before, when in high school, late 60s, listening to the Stones, the Dead, JA, MC-5, Led Zep, Hendrix etc, a friend convinced me to listen to jazz I had never heard before. Yep, knew a little Miles and Coltrane, Dizzy G, Eddie Harris, The Meters but he spun for me Chick's Now He Sings and Keith Jarrett's Somewhere Before which opened up my ears more, made me a fan of great jazz piano. Fred Hersch has a lot of stuff out there, a good starter with Bill Frisell, Songs We Know. Also a fan of McCoy Tyner, Kenny Barron, Paul Bley.

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RT 2-1 MSG 90
Checked it out tonight, good sheet Mon!

DMCVT: used to be more a bop and fusion fan.
Usual suspects etc
Just getting mellow in old age I guess lol
Piano jazz is relatively new thang, Bill Evans currently da shite, but so much to choose from. Really, I’m just getting going into jazz. Always dug it, but never dug in. The older I get, the more I dig instrumental music. Think that’s part of it?

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Decided to listen to most of this show today. Really good recording from Pearson Healy and Miller with the transfer. Fun show. 91 has a such a different feel and I really like it. Need to be in the mood for it. I often think why the hell did I not make it to any shows in 91 you dumbass.

The 90 MSG mix from RT2.1. Another good release here OB. Tomorrow I will get it going. I seem to recall the bonus disc from this release is very good as well.
I say release all the MUATM shows. Why not.

Edit: Funny OB, I listened to the DL 7 shows from September 1980 on Monday. Really good show(s)!

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Right you are, Oro.. in my mind I had Duke Univ. pegged for the fall but when I saw Huntington and other fall shows I had to look it up, April 12th.

91 - There's some great chemistry in different places in 91. I really like the Dicks Picks (17) from that year. They played the Eyes of the world from the filler 3/31 (Greensboro NC) last night. Great filler from Hornsby and they get a nice sublime groove underneath it all.

Ari does seem to pull out a GD Rap with little effort. I'm amazed at how common subtle GD references have become. It's good to see so any different people still dropping the GD on us when we least expect it.

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A taste on Jam-o-week.
4-18-78; Nice Sugaree.
Cheers

Edit: Isn't this the part we missed on the filler on DaP 37 W. & M. ? Sweet!

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This is a good release. Love the jams out of Let it Grow and Foolish Heart. To lay me down, Eyes, Estimated and Foolish Heart leave me wanted more from this release. I think they started gelling more in 91 than their first shows without Brent in fall of 1990. However, I haven't listened to much fall 90 other than the shows and complications released. I will have to take a look at some more shows from this time period.

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4-16-78 betty board.anon.noel
playing now.

Sounds a lot better than the cassette I had years ago.

Also got a copy of 4-14-78 betty board.anon.noel loaded on the music player. Don’t think that I’ve ever heard that show.

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Looking at 7/10/89 from the wonderful Giants Stadium Box set. Of the two 89 shows in this box, I haven't listened to this one very much. I tend to typically go with 7/9 with that Shakedown opener and the Birdsong to close out the first set.

Time to get it going.

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Next day or two…
Still cruising early 79 with my big 45th mañana!!!
My do somethin er, special ; ) where does the time go!

And, of course, other extracurricular activities to attend to also this WE, but, shhhh, don’t wanna jinx anything…

I wish I was still 45, but that ship set sail long ago lol
But thanks for the kind salutation!
My first Dead show was 45 years ago tonight!
What a long strange trip it still is!

EDIT: I was 45 when my avatar picture was taken ; )

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Happy 45th Anniversary OB. Shea's Buffalo Theater. Would love a recap. The tall end of the Keith and Donna era. Must have been a blast.

On a side note, I love Dave's enthusiasm, but there are currently four Dave's Picks for sale. I don't think I have ever seen that.

Go Bills!

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Mamma mamma many worlds I’ve come…
I somewhat documented it on the show page. I won’t bother trying here, cause, ya know ; )

Hope Dave’s not just doing the Dave!

🤞nervous wreck about the other…

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I'm on that Buffalo show!
There's a beautiful Jerry Moore recording on the archive.
Very clean sound!

Edit: Donna is absent from this show.

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That Moore is a good tape! Says Sony TC-D5M recorder with mikes way up high in 6th row. Serendipitously I just looked at some decks from a high priced vendor and a restored one of those Sonys was like $700 to $1900! Say what? Are they that good? It ain't a Nak.
Cheers
Edit: Nice set list! And it has a Dark Star!?!
Edit 2: Nice write up ORO! I'm always surprised by how many comments are "first show". Hey, we're all at the same show today, lol. Pass me that jib.

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Trying to remember lol
It is a great aud!
Shows unusual, which to me makes it nice.

Yeah man, that January tenth show could easily be edited to under three an a quarter hours, which would leave just enough time for a nice slice of January twenty say from that groovy Serengeti drum jam through maybe NFA. Make a cool DaP, Of course that’s if there’s tapes, which word on the street is nadda : (
Hey, a girl can dream ; )

Nice to see folks hangin round!

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I'm really partial to that Shea's show! I think there are several factors in play for me, including it being an early tape in my collection (I only had set II) of a really good audience recording. I enjoyed the timbre, the feel of the room. I know today it looks like a standard set list if you discount the DS but back then I didn't know differently. And I was really familiar with 12/31/78, so this night just felt on a continuum since I didn't know anything about band internal dynamics etc. Oroborous' review (thank you for typing that all up!!) was lovely to read. This afternoon I have been listening to 1/7/78 - one of the laryngitis shows in San Diego, and the night before the 'Uncle Bobo' show - but afterwards I think it's time to jump ahead a year to this night in Buffalo.

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I'm not sure if there's a better to place to put this - and I've been ludicrously busy at work all month, so maybe this has already been discussed elsewhere - but is there a thread or discussion of Dave's recent 'Spend a Little Time on the Mountain with Dave Lemieux' YT video?

"And then I won't give anything away, but #51, I've been working very closely with Jeffrey Norman the last few weeks on #51... of course it's a complete show... there was a little bit of extra room, and we are rounding it out with music from a show that we released awhile ago... a couple picks ago... that wasn't complete because there wasn't room. [...] So if you want to finish off another complete show that was part of the Dave's Picks series, I won't tell you what show it was, what pick it was, no hints... but it will complete that show as well."

So surely that must be the rest of 10/24/70 St. Louis. But, does that imply we're going to get a Pigpen (and perhaps T.C.) release for Volume 51!?! I'd love to think so, esp after Dave all but said Vol 51 won't be a Keith nor a Brent era show. But I guess the presence of some 1970 filler doesn't guarantee that the 'main entree' will be from a similar year; after all, Dave's Vol 44 is a 1990 show that has that Cold Rain & Snow filler from December 1969...

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1/20/79: bit of a creeper. Bobs strong throughout, JG hit and miss for a bit, eventually comes around. Perhaps freaked out by whatever went down…
Beginning of second sorta status quo, the rest, sublime trippy goodness!

1/21/79: mediocre aud, good energy though! True professional road warriors just push on through the adversity and git er done!

7/10/89: good call DV. I usually go with the Shakedown too, so it was nice to hit this one. Needed a good stranger. Always enjoy a nice Little Light. You can hear Jerry smiling during Foolish Heart. (He’s singing, but you can tell he’s smiling) Forgot about the fun train wreck ending in Masterpiece. Man those 89s sound so good!
Release the Multis! Fall 89 baby!

And yeah conekid, those are good, I like theFox shows even better!
another trove of ridiculous sources just sitting there going to waste!
Release the Beatty’s! Spring 78 baby!

Also,
Primal Dead 66-70
Summer 85
Fall 91
First six of 73
Summer 76

OBEAH: ditto on 51

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Nice work OB. Yes, I enjoyed this show as well. Not your uncle's Franklin's, but still good. Good Jack a Row. Nice Foolish Heart second set opener, good Playing UJB. I was surprised to hear the Iko Iko out of Space and I thought who else is singing here. Oh yes, the Nevilles came out after Space. Totally forgot about this. Good Watchtower, which I really liked in the late 80s. We get a great Dew, Sugar Mag, KOHD.

I think we have all the July 89 shows released with the exception of the Alpine shows, Deer Creek and Foxoboro. Let's get those out.

I will check out those 79 audience recordings OB.

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I need a little summer 71. RT1.3 rolling. A lot of raw energy on this one.

Sorry about the Bills OB. They definitely had their chances.

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They certainly did…beat themselves Bills did it again.
I’m not talking the kick either, that game never should have gotten to that.
But, ce la vi

I’ll fire that up after I’m done with February 89.
Quite the difference from early 79 which I finished yesterday.

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Where’s Waldo, er a, I mean Jimbo?
Know he’s scheduled for some slicing and dicing next month, but getting worried since we haven’t seen hide nor hair in too long.

EDIT: boggles my mind why they wouldn’t drop 7/2/89 since they did something ? to it for MUATM? Deer Creeks awight, but I wouldn’t rush on it.
We know fall is sweet, but I’ve not explored early 89 yet. So far, solid…

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I have tried to post several times but denied by the Hey Now police.

Looks like we lost Mr. Ones for the same reason.

Hey Now dead net.. the Cone of Silence you installed here is not working properly.

What? Hey Now, I can't hear you. What? Himey, kill the lights.

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I cannot seem to discuss the weather without getting hey nowed.

We did get at least a foot and a half of light fluffy snow in the mountains here the last couple weeks which explains my absence. Busted arm and all, I did manage to fit in days of downhill and back country skiing with friends and family. Don't tell my mom or my orthopedic surgeon. The hills of WV are exquisite with a couple feet of soft fluffy powder. Unfortunately, it gets harder as you older. By yesterday morning I could barely move, my teenage son on the other hand just can't get enough snow fun. What are you supposed to do when the kids get better than the teachers? Grounding? Chain them in the basement until they understand humility. It's humbling trying to keep up with the kiddies.

I had written a much better description, but something about the weather or the mere mention of Fred Sanford clutching his heart gasping for breath got me hey nowed...

Been listening to a bit of 71, 72, 74, 89 and some Jerry Garcia Band as a palate cleanser. Last month I did a deep dive into the MSG box, the last couple weeks the Giants Box got hit. Both good but the Giants Box seems to be a step above. I keep coming back to the 81 shows in the Garden box, there's something extra there, that China Rider smokes.

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It’s Grady!

Yes many a man’s done a terrible thing, just to bash endless days of pow pow, sigh. Used to be me, but alas, the old bodinski can’t handle it anymore, for as you say: bashing the pow IS hard work!

Glad your ok and digging it in spite of other complications etc!

Yass, need to hit 81 and 82 of MSG, did 83 recently.
89 baby! It’s always been a top one for moi, but gonna dig deep this year!

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Any February 89 recommendations OB?

Love that MSG Box Jim. It is so different than all the others. Looking forward to whatever this year's box will be. A good amount of snow out East, we have none now.

So many good shows in 71. Enjoyed RT1.3 today.

Be well people. Hey Bluecrow!

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doing alright here in my cave up in the hills (everything else i wrote got the H-N treatment) Boooooo.

I'll be back : )

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i've always loved that RT 1.3, esp Yale Bowl