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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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June 16, 2022 - 5:48am

#2061

bluecrow

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as for the Weirwolf screaming

There are some early Pig Lovelights where Bob's screaming at the end is pretty much unlistenable to me. Some early NFAs are a close second. Not sure how he didn't permanently mess up his vocal cords way early on. And for the record, I have no problems with Donna on Playing. Not even close.

I have no issues with his later theatrics with Estimated, etc.
June 16, 2022 - 5:42am

#2062

bluecrow

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10/31/79

what a freaking screamer of a show. awesome pick. thanks DV.

went with the Dr Goodseeds matrix.

also really enjoyed Doc's rec of 6/14/69. sounded sweet to my ears.
June 15, 2022 - 11:25pm

#2063

billy the kiddd

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Weir screaming

Weir screaming on St. Stephen, on Aoxomoxoa, sounds great. Also with Pig Pen on Not Fade Away is a knockout.
June 15, 2022 - 9:23pm

#2064

JimInMD

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Careful Guys

I'm a recovered bobslideahateaholic. After years of therapy, I have finally embraced Bob as the artist and songwriter he deserved to be. In truth, my favorite Bob days were with his Gibson ES-335. The slide and Ibanez never fully gelled with me.. as for histrionics, I think they started with Not Fade Away circa early on, thinking late 70 through 71 might have done the most damage to his vocal chords.

I don't know man.. but at this point, I think he fully deserves his seat at the throne. I have forgiven him for years of slide abuse and yelping that outside of pornhub and the Jackson Five, has never been captured on tape before or since. God love'em.. Bob is ok with me.
June 15, 2022 - 8:02pm

#2065

wilfredtjones

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@OB re: Bob's screaming

Ok, maybe not over the top rock and roll screaming a la a vintage Minglewood, say 5-15-70 or earlier. I'm more thinking about when the effeminate yelping began in tunes like LL Rain and Estimated. He wasn't pulling that kind of stuff in earlier incarnations of at least those 2 tunes, so I was wondering if anyone really nailed down when those sorts of antics started or was it more of an evolution. He doesn't do that kind of crap anymore does he? Sometimes he can sound to me like Will Ferrell's Harry Caray impression. I forget which tune it was that I hear that in, but it's definitely 80's/90's. :-P
June 15, 2022 - 12:12pm

#2066

Oroborous

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Hola

6/14/69: another hot but dirty 69. Recording a tad oversaturated, but not bad and a fine 69.
Thanks to Doc for being our primal concierge! Boy it’s a shame they didn’t break some of these tunes out years later: Doin that Rag, Friend of Mine, and not here but Mountains of the Moon etc. can you imagine, well at least Phil broke em out eventually. The Eleven too! Interesting early Dire Wolf, sounds like Bobs sitting out and Phil’s playing very basic accompaniment. Cool sheet Mon.

Gary, you talking bout Ventura? Bet those were fun. Only got there once working Futhur tour in 96 but I was Dead dreaming the whole time. Can only imagine…

WTJ: I’d say the screaming started long before those. Maybe it was because of Janis, or, seemed like it was a thing early on in rock, and hey I’ve heard those Lysergic sugar cubes can give ya a real energy boost too. I think maybe they got Donna doing it too? I also believe I read somewhere once that Bob got all into primal scream when that was a “thing” BITD? But that would of been probably more around when those songs you speak of came round?

I’m sure it’s an acquired taste, and BITD there were times when I loved it. But sometimes…not so much.
Really it’s just more nowadays as at 60 it doesn’t resonate like it used to. An occasional short blast for affect is one thing, but sometimes you think “unless he strokes out he’s never gonna stop” LOL.
Good ole Weir, always good for a laugh, it must of been fun hanging with the crew especially when they picked on the kid!

Wish I had something else on the short side lined up. Don’t think I could get a full show in?
Oh well, perhaps hang it up and see what tomorrow brings…
June 14, 2022 - 4:57pm

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Gary Farseer

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Memories

Misty watercolor memories...

Just sittin (on top of the world) here.

Reflecting back 35 years. Sitting on the rail right in front of Jerry. Dosed to the tilt. Only around 3,500 present, beautiful late spring day. Palm trees swaying, fronds crackling with electricity. Very nice show to reflect on...as is the whole weekend.

Been spending a pretty good amount in deadbase. Just a wealth of info. Sometimes, just chasing rabbits and thinking statistically. Just in case, thanks to John, Stu, Mike.

I remember getting the two big binders xeroxed, pre-publication, and just spending countless hours reviewing and playing fantasy dead.

Hope Dead & Company have a great show tonight. Thought about PPV but show wont start until 9:30 my time, I am too old for this sht. I am sure I will grab one or two PPV before all over.

Dead and company have now placed a + in their logo, good job. Way back yonder, in days of old, when trade was by camels and caravans, that is what company meant. Caravan. So by adding the plus sign the fellas are giving an inclusion of the travelling caravan, the heads who keep pushing this bus forward.

Saw 3 panic shows a couple of weeks back. Then ordered 3 PPV/on demand of the same weekend with Phish. Just a lot of great music. Really noticed on Phish, wow, average age is late 20's to early 30's. Was a bit shocking to me, especially seeing the one old deadhead there. Man, more power to you Sir!

G
June 14, 2022 - 4:26pm

#2068

wilfredtjones

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Weir's histrionic tendencies

It would be interesting to nail down precisely when they started in tunes like LL Rain, Estimated, etc. Was it a gradual thing or did it begin in a specific tour or show?

To the archive! :-) Stay cool all...
June 14, 2022 - 9:39am

#2069

Oroborous

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69, 79, hut, hut, omaha, hike,

6/14/69: I’m in!

10/31/79: didn’t get a good listen, but most of what I heard I liked!
Don’t recall much of the first set standing out, perhaps the newish Sailor/Saint, but the second set definitely had some big moments. Seemed like the medication factor both helped and hindered at times? I’ve always liked it when they get a little over the top and taking chances. Sure the slop quotient can go up, but more so the X factor and interesting directions and variations.
That’s how this cool Shakedown seemed to me, as especially noteworthy near the back of the jam if you listen to the unique sorta one note pounding foundation that Phil’s laying down. It’s a good representation of the sort of full throttled boozey, cocky, machismo vibe that permeates much of this show.
Sure it’s not pristine, but it’s what makes this a great Shakedown.
Same with Passenger. Not always pretty, and Bob fumbles early, but full on roaring R&R!
A nice Ramble On in an unusual (non 70s) second set slot, followed by Estimated Eyes. I like that Bob hasn’t started to scream so much in Estimated as the screaming nonsense has not aged well for me at least. Funny I never realized just how much screaming went on BITD. But unfortunately today it is sometimes hard to take, for moi anyway.
Perhaps one of the coolest parts of this show for me was the sweet jam outta Eyes, with a drums/space perhaps more indicative of the future than the status quo? That whole sequence was a highlight for me, landing in yet another Rat, but Bob brings it up again with another of those aforementioned rowdy and jammy rockers, Truckin, which ends up being the big closer. Of course a rowdy rockish night like this needs a R&R finish, and what’s more R&R than JBG!
Interesting show, good, but not sure I’d call it 11/6 or 12/1 good?
June 14, 2022 - 1:44am

#2070

Forensicdoceleven

Joined:
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I am a sandwich man……

Hey, rockers!!!

Pick of the day: Monterey June 14 1969

How about a Lovelight sandwich? It’s huge! Subway would be jealous……………

The Dead are still a bit of a west coast cult jam band, so here we are in a gymnasium again. It’s not the Pigfest that Moraga was, but it’s still very fine and very enjoyable. It clearly demonstrates that not only could the Dead jam out on their psychedelic magnum opus Star, but they could do it backing Pigpen’s blues rave-ups.

Plus it has another cool version of He Was A Friend Of Mine……………

Scott Clugston put out a very nice---and pitch corrected---remaster of this unheralded show last December. We should be grateful, and it’s worth a listen. And while it may never be officially released (there’s a couple of edits), it does reveal that, given modern sonic technology, some Summer 69 shows are potentially releasable……………………..

So what are they waiting for????

Doc
I’m a couple sandwiches short of a picnic…..

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

1.3 Rollin

Yo BC!

Just getting into 2/89 DV. Solid, enjoyable, maybe not RJ though..

Early 79 highlights:
All pretty good, unfortunately many Auds only, but some of those were perhaps better than an SB, and some of the SBs aren’t so hot..
Started out on fire but you can hear slight cracks entering the vibe by the end of some of these shows. Burnout and tension perhaps?
Really liked the MSG shows especially the eighth. Of course the 10th.
I can see why Dave Likes the 15, but not sure I found it best of tour.
But man that sequence from playing onward, phew, hell the whole second is great! Next 2 almost as good, then of course the unusual 20, and 21.
A brief speed bump perhaps but they solider on nicely.
By 2/3 their nicely back in step and Dane, still think if there’s tapes it would fit nicely with the rest of the Danes: Great Dane Box! Sorta status quo for the next few, nice Kansas shows, then a good, but not RJ big finale n the 17.
Good show, but enough moments of mishap that I felt it wasn’t RJ.
Too bad there’s no tapes as I could see a few releases here.
Something from MSG, the 10 with DS filler from the 20th, the 15 off of Dave’s list, Dane, somewhere, and BTK 2/17 - 422 idea!

Ok, I’ll get 2 more 89 this week, unless I get 49…

2/4/79

friends had a ticket for me but I chose poorly and didn't make the drive from MN. could've heard a Godchaux era Shakedown and an early Iko. no boards of this but there is of set one night before in Indy with that mid set China > Rider. And don't miss that indy Scarlet > Fire! damn i wish Betty was running reels for these. listening to two four set two now. been awhile since i heard indy so its on the list. that Scarlet guitar break is fire

Wish Betty Was Running Reels

The understatement of the year.

I think much of the late generation shows suffer in comparison to the shows that were properly recorded. True, vocals and harmonies has declined but the band played on.

They are playing 7 7 78 today on Sirius XM as I write this. Boy that Peggy-O was something. What a great run to see as your first show(s)

I let a tiny fart out in the Dave's Picks 49 thread. Music posts don't seem to go through but the test one I made later did. Unfortunately I used up all my patience trying to get the good one through.

that July 78 box

is so very freaking fantastic. a couple weeks ago i revisited omaha 7-5 a k a the waterfall show and it was mind blown - what a screamer

seven seven seven eight

one of my first boots was the superb front of board Wagner audience for that first Red Rocks show Set I and Set II through Scarlet transition. pretty much every song in that first set along with that Cold Rain BIODTL and Scarlet is a favorite version. burned in my brain. its all exactly perfect.

BLUECROW

didn't make the drive. I can empathize with you! as I DID THE SAME THING for englishtown (only 35 mile drive);
my fatal error, major gaffe, momentary lapse of reason, bonehead move, dumbest thing to do; AND yes that decision all these years later still makes me want to laugh out loud & cry all at the same time, so everyone please KICK ME AGAIN!!!

peace all!
uncle_tripel

6/23/74

Needed a change of pace after listening to the fantastic 4/27/85.

6/23/74, Dave's #34. Love this one. Hope you can join me.

Oh and bring on that 2024 box announcement from .......74

Ain't Nothin' Shakin'

So I might just as well since I'm waiting on 49. I think I'll start with the bonus disc.
Cheers

6/23/74

Deadvikes - I'd willingly join you, but I played the 1st cd of 5/17/74 this morning, so I'm a bit out of synch. Incredible time for the Dead - amen to a 1974 box.

Ha!

I was thinking February 74 after first amazing listen to 49!
But 6/23 will work. Then, intermission, then 49 again, then perhaps Greensboro 89 where I left off, then later next week digest February 74 for a few days?

6/23/74 Miami

DeadVikes good call. Have to say i probably listen to the bonus disc to this and the 6/16 &18 Roadtrips a lot... Hope you guys are all doing well!!

"wait a minute..." <- in my best pigpen voice

so Deadvikes I just pulled out my copy of 6/23/74 at your suggestion. I have criminally underplayed this one. I call myself a '74 fan too so idk what my trip has been but anyway I grab the liner notes and unfold that thing and read the story of the photos and then I see the credit... to Forensicdoceleven ?!?! ?!

edit: I know this has surely been discussed already. I seem to have poor luck using the search function on this site, but let me see if I can find old posts, i don't mean to hijack this thread. I just felt a strong need to say "wait a minute!"

#34

Holy shit Bob t! Good to hear from you. It has been a long time. Hope all is well.

Obeah, yes, the Doc was involved with getting Dave the photos, I will let him give you the story. I have no idea how to search comments on this site either. I listened to this a lot when it first came out but haven't listened to it in a while.

I was able to get a full uninterrupted listen in today. My god, so good. One of those shows, where nothing is rushed. Sound quality might be the best 74 material I have heard with the exception of the Grateful Dead MST.
One of my favorite versions of To Lay Me Down. Jerry's guitar work is so moving. Great WRS. Love the Jam out of Seastones and then you get the rest of the second set! What is not to like. That Dark Star Jam, Spanish Jam into a phenomenal US Blues, that takes it's time. UJB, OMSN, Casey Jones to close it out. What a great show!

Dig those PNE shows Daverock and the February shows OB.
Would love some more.

5-22-74

Only made it through the bonus disc as I had anticipated. Life got in the way yesterday. The Playin' went some interesting places I didn't expect. Seems the TOOs and Playin' were the interchangeable space jams in the middle from 72-74. Superb smooth China > Rider. Is there a less than great 1974 show?

IIRC Doc had issues getting his photos back. A trouper to give that gift to us all. Thanks Doc!

Cheers

DHB today!

3/30/89
3/31/89
3/30/94: wow! Neat show! Sometimes…

3/28/89 best of year so far…

Friday: much of 6/23/74
1.3 back there somewhere?

And 49 sprinkled throughout!

Feb 74 on deck…
ONWARD!

3/28/89

Will put this on tomorrow OB. It looks like it is a Pearson Healy Miller. I was at the shows at the Mecca in WI and the old Met Center in Bloomington MN in April of that year. My senior year in HS. What a year! Oh shit that means 35th HS reunion this year.

Music is moonlight in the gloomy night of life......

Been in the hospital for a week with pneumonia, wife with metastatic cancer, life, it seems, has dealt us a harsh hand...............

In regard to Miami. Yes, I supplied the photos, the story is from the deep Dead past, now merely a footnote on a footnote and not so important. I had a chance to make a very minor contribution to the community, so I took it and dealt with the fallout. Bad feelings yes, long since discharged, let's focus on the music.........

It was, after all, the kind of magic that only the Dead could conjure. Very fine and very interersting, consumate quirky gooey good old Grateful Dead. Apart from Providence (my second show), my favorite 1974 outing...........

Rock on,

Doc

Best wishes

For Doc & the Mrs.
You're the best.

Doc sorry to hear the news

Doc, I'm sorry to hear your news,I hope things will get better for you and your wife.

Doc

So sorry you and your wife are going through this hard time.

Doc

Sorry to hear that no good news. Best wishes and best of luck to you and your wife.

thanks Doc

Well let me just take this opportunity to say 'thanks for the photos', and meantime, I'm so sorry to hear that your health is going through a rough spot, and your wife's situation sounds even more serious. Much sympathy.

Doc

Doc, sorry to hear about the health issues with you and your wife.
I hope it gets better for the two of you.

Sorry Doc

Best wishes to you and the Mrs.
Cancer sucks.

SUPER4DTOTO

Sorry to hear that no good news. Best wishes and best of luck to you and your wife.

The Good Doctor

Sending best wishes your way Doc. There's not much we can do or say but we are thinking of you both in the best of all possible ways.

best wishes and hopes

Thinking of you and yours, Doc. Heartfelt wishes that your connection to the medical community results in the best possible care in Jville. Though we have never met, special discovering you were an unknown neighbor eons ago here in the land of big green, that we happened to be at Lewiston and maybe Boston shows. Thanks for your devotion and contributions to these boards.

So sorry to hear this

Doc, six years ago my wife was diagnosed with cancer and I rode in a similar horribly difficult sidecar.

Hope for some gentle days ahead for you and yours, and sending healing vibes your way.

"that path is for your steps alone"

Doc

been sidelined a bit too and just read about this, so sorry to hear of you and your wife's medical woes. Hopefully the VA can help with this and that the bill won't be out of this world. I hope for the very best for both of you. Keep on Keeping on my Florida bro. Get well soon.

Aaaa FFS!

So sorry to hear bout you and the misses Doc.
Effin cancer cancer cancer, Marsha Marsha Marsha, man it seems to be all we hear these daze. In stead of pissing billions away on space pipe dreams, and tax breaks for uber corporations, how bout we cure cancer and clean up our home we’ve turned into a cesspool!

Be well, and may the music heal!
Our thoughts are with you!

Onward Dr. and Mrs. Doc

Even though most of us have never met "ForensicDocEleven" in person, your good spirit shines through on these pages year in and year out. Words fail me, but, right now, I'm adding whatever energy I can in hopes you and Mrs. Doc get through this smooth and soon. Onward brother.

3/28/89

Good show OB. Thank you for the recommendation. Great mix. LTGTR, Franklins, Stranger! Nice start. Stagger Lee. Memphis Blues. Really good flow to the first set.
Good second set Playing, Foolish Heart. Always enjoy a Box of Rain encore.

Decided to revisit Ladies and Gentlemen this afternoon. Wow! Bob Matthews and Betty did a great job with these recordings. Is it too late to go back and give us all these Fillmore East shows in a box?

DV

Vguy recommended 3/28 as a POTD awhile ago.
I rehit it for enjoyment and comparison etc

Hit the first six of 84 since, with some 6/24/85 and some of February 74 too.

Thinking 2/27/69 for Doc! Big medicine!

Going to continue with 84 and 89, perhaps try another 94.
I’ll let you know if anything moves me…

Go Niners!

Big Medicine

I'm down for some 2 27 69 Big Medicine.

I haven't gotten to 3 28 89 yet but I did hit Miami 74. That Cumberland snuck up on me, great picking and then there are the other highlights that shined just as bright this week and I remembered. The recording might have shot up a notch too.

Big Medicine, which reminds me I go under the knife for my shoulder Friday. My ills do not compare but I will take the Big Medicine offer from the kind people here. Believe it if you need it, right.

Sports Fans

Okay OB. If I only had those 69 shows.

Anyway, decided to go with 6/14/76 from the Beacon Theatre. The June 76 Box still shines.

Enjoy your Superbowl Sunday out there.

Hope your surgery goes well Jim.

Thanks DV

I have to hit those 76 shows again.

Funny.. those post haitus releases shook me out of my 68 through 74 comfort zone, there was a period when I just couldn't get enough 80's (and 90's, toss in some 79 for good measure). High octane GD. I hit the Giants box pretty hard but spent some time in 85 (of course), Spring 90 and several shows in 89. I just couldn't get enough.

But hitting Dave's 49 through several listens was a nice aperitif and More 74 broke the spell. They played the WRS>Row Jimmy from DaP 13 on my drive home last night. Icing on the cake.

Grateful Dead, good for what ails (ales) you.

Thanks so much for keeping the spirit going. I'm mostly keeping up.

DaP 13 1974

What's the story with Jerry's F... SUNY t-shirt from the photo in the liner notes? I remember seeing it before but couldn't seem to bring up a story. GD played there going back to 1970? Sounds like some discontent there.
Cheers

SUNY

Ha, as a proud alumnus of the “fine” institution lol, seems like something a student would come up with? Perhaps it’s as simple as JG thought it was funny, or a student offered it up as a joke? But now of course you went and did it lol, so now we have another mystery for Inspector Lose O!
Damn you fist show! ; )
DV, anything, just ask…
JIM, hope that doc isn’t stingy with the propofol, hear that shommer shit is very
Owey. We will of course be thinking good thoughts, any last, er a, I mean any requests for while your elsewhere? ; )

2-11-86

For tomorrow?
Laissez les bons temps rouler!
Actually on a Fat Tuesday in '86.
For my friend "Swamp" who would always skip class for a week to go back home to N.O. for Mardi Gras.
Cheers
Edit: Is there an official release of this?

Positive Vibes

On your surgery Jim.
Hope all goes well brother!

2/11/86

I'm still off work on disability from Legionnaire's Disease, so I'll do 2/11/86 tomorrow.
Don't think there's been an official release, but there's a cassette soundboard patch on the archive.
Uploaded by Jonathan Auizen.

Good luck Jimbo

Hoping for a successful surgery and quick recovery.

2/11/86

Rollin!

Went with the HS matrix?

If ya dig 86 I highly recommend 3/24/86…

Excellent (in the Mr. Burns voice)

What a pleasant surprise! Lively show with a killer start, great set list, and in an unusual order. Was Jerry in one of his "clean" phases? Can't get more authentic on the Iko-Iko than with the Nevilles! And the drums segments (plural) were a treat. It's clear the band was having a great time. What a difference that can make.
Cheers

2/11/86

That was a good show.
Wild transition into Truckin.

The Nevilles

Added so much to the second set. Those extra guitar riffs during the second NFA > Hey Bo Diddley > GDTRFB really complemented the boys' playing so well. Let the good times roll!
Cheers

RE 2/11/86

Fun enjoyable show!
HS matrix was good.
I’d call it good, but not RJ: fun, good energy, but a tad sloppy in spots.
JG struggles occasionally I.e., Might as Well. But that isn’t a problem for me…
Think this was first year doing the MG drum thing?
If yer into that, I know I liked the tape I had from 89 of it…
Nice to do something completely different.

2/15/73

Dane County Coliseum
I'm rolling this one today if anyone else wants to?
This was one of the first tapes I acquired back when I first started going to shows on a regular basis.
There's a good matrix on the archive.
Peace

Rolling in 84 TN

But that show MUST be released!
Finished hitting all of 73 last year and I think the first six shows of the year would make a killer box, better than HCS!
Or,
A Great Dane Box, all the remaining Dane shows including the 2 73 reels…
Enjoy, that is a awesome show, RJ for sure!

EDIT: it’s on Dave’s list too, so…

2/15/73 Dane County

Happy anniversary Dark Star blip....... Also anyone see Two Towers Documentary on Fall 73 Tours??