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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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    They're just getting warmed up by the time they get to Paris.

    I'm glad they didn't do this, but they could have divvied up the tour into little mini-boxes and it would have worked nicely.

    England Part I (Empire Pool, Newcastle & Bickershaw)
    Denmark (Copenhagen, Aarhus & Copenhagen)
    Germany (Bremen, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich)
    France (Paris, Lille & Luxembourg [close enough])
    The Netherlands (Amsterdam & Rotterdam)
    England Part II (the Lyceum, London)

    The performances by country partner well with each other. By the time they get to Paris they are just getting comfortable in their shoes. 5/3 is the monster and really is a masterpiece, but the second set of 5/4 has a jazzy aloofness to it that really works. The Netherlands shows also partner well with each other.

    But one box is better. I like the way the artwork has a central theme and is personal to each show; one box same artist for each show. Plus, as others have mentioned, at least once in your life the tour should be listened to from start to finish. Separate boxes would have resulted in a disjointed experience.

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I had just a taste of 2/15/73 as filler back in the day - HCS and El Paso. But that HCS was smoking. Still, I'd more or less forgotten about it until a couple years ago when I read a Latvala quote about how this version of HCS compared well with the one from 12/19. And it just so happened that I had a boring task to do [censored - for some reason I cannot describe my office w/out getting hey now'd] at work. And I wanted a long show to brighten my mood. I thought of HCS and that's when it hit me that I'd never heard the rest of this show.

Wow - it's just so good! I had the entire M aples show back in the day, but I still wasn't prepared for this performance. With all the new material I figured they'd be still working things out, but it feels instead like they must have spent that week rehearsing and listening to each other, and were just in a great headspace. This show just flows.

But this one's not in the vault, is it? (I mean I hope I'm wrong...)

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2nd set was one of the first tapes to fall in my lap way back when over 40 years ago. My favorite Here Comes Sunshine - it has a drive to it that I really dig. And Bob's guitar is so exquisitely "wiered" at times, some strange effects peddle? Of course, totally love the Dark Star > Eyes > China Doll. That was an early glimpse into the mystery. And Badass Donna on You Aint Woman Enough. And the merry run around of that sweet sweet TLEO. A tape that was much listened to and much loved, note by note.

Great (or is it Grate?) Dane Box or February '73 box - either one bring it on!

No, I haven't seen that documentary. What is it?
The old Dane County Coliseum. Was there many times, unfortunately not to see the Dead.

I hope we get those early 73 shows out at some point.

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It is about the sound system that Owsley and the Dead had and the September to Decembers tours of 73. Newspaper clippings and some interviews. I learned there was supposed to be a December 15th show in Houston. Always wondering why the gap between Omni and Curtis Hixon shows. Youtube..

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Yep, same here. It was one one my most listened to tapes back in the day. Still have it! Here's to an official release someday.

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Thanks Bob T, I am going to track that down. Their pre wall of sound system was not too shabby either.

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Warfield Theater
Pretty good AUD on the archive.
It's been cleaned up by Scott Wiseman, Scott Clugston, and Charlie Miller.
SEVA benefit show

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Oakland Coliseum
Keith & Donna's last show
Campaign for Economic Democracy benefit
Excellent Dave Usborne matrix on the archive
Peace

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Nice to see ya!
Thanks for the recommendation, that was pretty cool., though kinda weird how it just ended, like Cocaine became prevalent, story over…?
I need to see it again.
f I was only allowed to have one tour….
It’d probably be f a l l w I n t e r 7 3
Good Sheet Mon!

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Prefer gummies over the prescription stuff they gave me. I finally made it home and it's great to see a couple exciting shows to queue up and lively up my next few days.

all in all I'm doing ok. Lots of shoulder work done and still painful but I'm on the other side now. thanks for all the good thoughts.

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Glad it went well for you.
PT is key to full range of motion.
I seldom did my homework and settled for less range, which is OK but now I wish I'd done more. Take it easy.
Cheers

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2/16 &/17/82 two very cool shows I was fortunate enough to be at , would make a great double release. 2/17/79 was a benefit called Rock for Life and was about ending environmental cancer. Another show I was at and should have been released along time ago.

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To the other side.
Woohoo, he’s back sports fans!
Glad to hear things went well!
Yeah, I think sometimes Advil and weed work better for some pain then the pill mill crap?
Whatevs gets you through the night, is awright. Rest up, be well, and play dead!
Music heals!

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Good to hear Jim. Hope you are able to recover quickly.

So much music to choose.

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Positive thoughts for quick healing!
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get well soon, play dead and I mean the music, wonder what the outcome would be if you really did play dead? Home folks freak out? then you awaken and say "I'm not Beethoven"

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HN won't allow anything in my simple original message, like none of it - geez louise

It seems to me that the more time you spend on a post, the more likely it is to be hey now'd. What seems to be working for me is to just whack one out - and then when it's printed, go back and amend it. If you can be bothered.

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was spinning on sirius yesterday. Caught the Eyes>WRS while heading into town.
Everyone is beautifully mixed in. What a recording! Had to check the archive to find out more. Listened to China>Rider to verify the sound quality. Would make a magnificent official release.

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Thanks B.B., that SBD Miller is sweet.
Currently sampling as I don't have time this AM for the whole show.
Cheers

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I concur, gr8 show Eyes is epic, fall 73. Happy birthday Vinnie.

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check PM.

Thanks

Crap, Hey Jim.

Glad you have gone through the rough part. Every day I am sure it will be better, and the next thing you know, It's Summer.

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Sorry man. I always forget to check my messages. I tried to make a lengthier response, but the powers that be determined I used some wrong words somewhere. I would be happy to talk those shows with you. It might be easier on the phone. Hit me a message if you want to exchange numbers. I'm still trying to figure out how to discuss the music on here without getting smacked down.
Peace

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Revisited this fantastic show last night and this morning. What a show! Damn, love that 3rd set!. We are a lucky bunch out here.

Hope we get a box announcement soon.

Hope you avoid the smackdown TNJ.

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...yeah man, I'm down with that...that 3rd set has gotten at least 5x the playtime vs. any of the other sets contained in the HCS Box.

Worked-on my 2024 Box Set calculator, and got it installed yesterday lol, estimated release September; now if only I can get it to reveal the contents;)

keep smilin' everyone, it'll be announced before you know it

PEACE ALL!
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Have hit everything in order through April 30.
Not fall 73 but better overall than I expected!
Some really good shows there, just they all seem to have the same idiosyncrasies. Mainly, misses. Not really any big train wrecks, though JG flubs Althea pretty good on the 30th.

Several times I’d be thinking, this is the show, then they’d have some little miss or Jers voice might be a bit ruff on one song. Just weird random stuff that I’d call normal, except here it just seems like every now and then, from time to time, ?? Hard to explain, perhaps I.e., check out all the HSF as an example?
The tape selection/quality is inconsistent too. I heard several less than stellar SBs, and some awesome Auds, and everything in between.
The first night of Marin sounded like practice, but was a creeper. Ist set sloppy, but eventually got some things going. Awesome Oh Babe it ain’t no lie!
The run seemed to get better as she goes. Again, kinda sounded overall like a tour warm up run… Do try to hear the Blues for Allah hints during the 3/31 space! And the Spanish jam through Rat on the 29th.

Ist night of Vegas was meh, second ok.
The tour proper starts in Hampton. First night sorta status quo for opener, nothing really stuck out. Second night I enjoyed and sounded like they were finally gelling.
CROTCHFESTER. I was at, front row, perhaps highest we ever got, so no surprise I didn’t remember much. I do recall feeling non plussed BITD but I think that’s because I had some song expectations that didn’t pan out? Always seemed overshadowed by NF the next night (same mo for us).
This time, I did dig NF as they jam hard and things can be very psychedelic musically at times, but this time Rochester really stood out for me. One of my favorite shows of the tour, definitely worth a listen!
I’ll skip Philly for now…
New Haven I liked the first night better, great Jack Straw, only Only a Fool ever played, which was meh?, nteresting anyway, nice Spanish jam and space.
Really all the drums out into space etc we’re cool on this tour.
Both Providence shows were solid. Decent Shakedown, but I’ll take the powerful Angry Shakedown from 4/16 over em all.
The second night of P town is another I recommend and another tour tops!
Nassau shows were good, but perhaps a little on the downside by this point?
Philly probably was the peak, but I didn’t feel it was obvious.
I listened to some of these shows several times trying to decide.
I remember feeling DL had gone to the wrong house with 35 being 4/20?
I still think the 21st might be a tad better, but perhaps missing a bit on HSF (they don’t quite get any of em perfect) factored in?
The 19 is ok, sorta tour status quo, 20 and 21 are definitely in the top five.
So I’d recommend not necessarily in order because these shows were all very similar in many ways, so can’t pick a definitive favorite.
4/21, 4/20, 4/16, 4/27 tops, extra credit 4/17, 4/26, 4/14.
Again, really pleasantly surprised at the overall quality and consistency of the tour. Yes if you pay attention you’ll hear some Oopsies occasionally, but perhaps no more than most tours?
Going to cleanse a bit, then hit some more spring 89…
ONWARD!

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Has Jeff checked in on 49 yet? Like scanned artwork. I may have missed him.

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Hey Gary, Hope this works. I tried a while back and got major Hey Nowwed. Here’s the cover art for Dave’s 49 that Copperdomebodhi found. Scroll down to 49:
dropbox dot com /sh/qx5j9ydoc7bzm8z/AAD8yK_vCv_kQ-oLkLJQVCEla?dl=0

If y’all PM me with your email, I’ll send future covers to you directly.

Onward

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wow, what a run hey, during the soundcheck for 2-22-74 I believe there is the first hints of an estimated prophet Jam, and 3 sets too.

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February 74 is where I been cleansing this WE.
Good Sheet! Great minds ; )

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How did you get your post past the HN police OB! Nice work. The longest one I have seen in a while.
I haven't listened to much spring 84 in long time, with the exception of Dave's #35, which I always enjoy. There have been a lot of Philly shows released by Dave. Will have to poke around a bit.

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sent PM

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...yeah Oro, that was a strange night... and with the home crowd and the technical gremlins, it really does kinda sound like practice at times.

But that second set has a lot of mojo. The Oh Babe is a lovely one-off - first time since '81 and the last time the GD would play it onstage. The China Cat->Rider is remarkable, I just love the color Brent puts on it. They take their time with it, too; it's nearly 15 minutes long. The Playin' gets to some haunting spaces, and it's too bad Garcia wasn't a lil more patient bc I'd have loved to see what else might have happened, but I guess he had business backstage. Instead we get the debut of Don't Need Love. Again, it sounds almost like rehearsal, but it's still my fav of the 16 times Brent would eventually play it. I love this version.

Drums doesn't really go anywhere for me, but Space is excellent (Garcia must have found what he needed backstage, Weir's a monster here and Phil is so high on Jill in '84 that he seems to be livin up to his old nickname, Reddy Kilowatt) with a notable jam. And the transition into the Wheel never gets old. The Truckin->Spoonful isn't remarkable but it's solid. My tape didn't have the encore and I wasn't always in the mood for a double helping of Chuck Berry, so I sometimes pressed stop here... but sometimes I'd just press fast forward and then flip the tape to hear that beautiful Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie one more time...

Decided to que up this beauty from the 30 Trips Box, 10/27/79. Why, because I am channeling a 79 Box for this year. Will it happen?

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2/17/79 & 4/22/79. I hope would be a part of it.

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No, but there will be a 1969 box set this year. It'll include the complete Vegas show from March, as well as the early April Avalon Ballroom run. As well as a couple of other surprises.......

Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad......

Rock on,

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Hopefully it will include, 10/31/69, 6/27 & 28/69.

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Yes, we need an upgrade on that Halloween 69 show, that would be very nice. Maybe even throw Crockett in there as well, another show in need of an upgrade.......

Not sure about Santa Rosa. Good and definitely interesting, but a bit uneven. Would much prefer the Ark shows, or maybe Philly from February.........

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Hey rockers!

OSF has confirmed that they have the original reels of the March Vegas show and the early April Avalon Ballroom run. Although it appears that the 4/6 recording is still incomplete......

People come to music to seek oblivion: is that not also a form of deception?

Rock on, and off to the morgue,

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Really Daverock?

1979 was a great year for the band. If you don't like it that is fine.
If they stopped playing after 1969, this site would not even exist.

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Deadvikes - I used to rate 12/26 and 12/28/79 very highly indeed - but I haven't been moved to play either of them for quite some time. It's a year where I'm happy with what I've got, but don't particularly want anymore.
I guess the exception would be the final show with Keith - but that's not really what people mean by "1979" I don't think.
The last show I played - part of it anyway, was the Road Trips featuring jams from 6/18/74. Now that is solid gold! Nobody else I heard in 1974 was playing anything like this. Not really jazz or rock - I think they had made up their own genre by this stage

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Menage a trois

I did hit the beginning of the second set of 10 27 79 yesterday doing some PT. High energy and interesting jams. If I could only set the time machine back a week before and get Betty out there to record it, well.. the world would be a different place.

As to Louisville 74, I've always had a lot of respect for that show, it never gets old even the spooky discordant pieces. The transition from Eyes of the World to China Doll could be my favorite one.

Now a 69 Banana Box Set you say? Bad shoulder or not, I am dancing a jig in anticipation.

It's good vibe Saturday all day here at dead net. Not sure if I am tossing out a suggestion, but I am going to put on the acoustic set from 12 26 69 to start my day and kick off the weekend with some of the best vibe GD that's been released in the last few years. I thought 7 13 84 would pair pretty well with the Frost shows that were just released too.. they do a scarlet>something>fire I think?? sort of pairs with the Scarlet > Eyes.

Let's see if this post makes it through Hey Now

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read that previously uncirculated DS > Main 10 > DS > O1 > Aliigator from 2/5/70 Fillmore West is up at LL

Good Vibe Saturday - I woke up on that side of the bed too Jim!! And to echo Cone Kid, hope the w i n g is healing smooth and steady. Have a great weekend everybody!! Onward!!

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Enjoying a cup of super dark roast Colombian Supremo that I roasted and some 1974 Little Feat on vinyl.

Supposed to be 62 and sunny tomorrow, think I might roast a batch of beans.

I have managed not to re-injure it while it's in a delicate state. That counts for something, right?

I'm roasting this weekend too. I tried to send a big bag off to people I know that like coffee around Christmas and New Years. I am still working my way through that list. After about three batches I lose interest and end up putting it down.

I am doing some sticky full roast Kenyan right now mixing it up with a smaller batch of Sumatra. I always had a soft spot for those earthy Indonesian beans and have been on a Kenyan kick for a couple years.

How this tie into the GD? Not sure.. I did see one of the few GD shows that started off with Casey Jones and certainly the only one post hiatus. That's gotta count for something, you've got to watch your speed that's for sure.

I'm beating my 1969 drum too while listening to our last banana box release.

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Must be spreading. Maybe it's because we passed meteorological Spring. Louisville '74 you say?
Cheers
Edit: Did the SBD on archive. Killer show but now I see why the RT 2.3 version is chopped up. Sound issues early but this Sacks-Hollister sbd has very dynamic sound when it settles in. Mind bending Let It Grow.