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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Oroborous
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    Ahhh Berry interesting

    Jonathan, ok, now we’re getting good intel, I.e., video good but audio not.
    Check out both the audio settings on the DVD and the player, sounds like something not synced right. Also, try the ole hard boot: (with the volume down, ahem) pull the plug on the player…wait a minute, then plug back in, hey, EVERYTHING has micro processing now! Then turn volume up to check.
    Guessing a disc setting since your other discs are ok…?

  • billy the kiddd
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    2024 1969 Box Set

    10/31/69, 6/27 & 28 69 4/5 & 6/69, 5/30/69, makes for a mighty fine box set. Apparently Dave said they decide what these box sets are going to be 2 or 3 years in advance.

  • Gary Farseer
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    Been chillin

    or shopping for chillum

  • Gary Farseer
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    oops

    what oro and colin said, was away from computer a while.

    Bought 65" samsung 4k television on 2020-02-01, arrived that valentine's day. Covid hit and i am immunocompromised due to appendix rupture. So the tv still sits in its box waiting for a friend to come by and help me with it. Hopefully up and running within the next month. I bought it before i truly understood how the makers of tv always have to get to buy the next thing before the next thing is fully realized. Fortunately I got a steal(y) on it, tv, tax, and shipping was $625. Of course any warranty would be almost gone. So I might have an expensive 60 pound box in my house.

  • Gary Farseer
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    4k

    My understanding, and I haven't spent as much time on it as conekid, daverock, etc.

    4k has more to do with size. Isn't it always. That is when you have a 40" hdtv that is all you need is an hdtv. When you move to 55" - 85" (if there is one), you need 4k. When you move to a 90" or above you need 8k. That is, the larger the screen the more you need tight pixelization (new word?). They have been trying to push for 8k tv's for a couple of years now. But if you have a smaller screen you dont need more definition as it is baked in. There is but scant true 4k content and yet to date I have not seen an 8k production to date, but I am not looking much.

    So 35mm film can transfer to much lager screens. Forty something years ago I was working at a movie theater and they showed Raiders of the Lost Ark in 70mm. The film was shot in 70mm, one of few. The theater was the only 70mm theater in a 500 mile radius. We had tourists come to watch in 70mm, and I mean it ran for like 6 months. Tourist travel was shocking. Definition so good you can see Harrison Ford eat the fly in that scene. I can only imagine how good that movie will look in 4k and 8k.

    Mileage may vary, I aint no expert.

    Edit: forty something years ago

  • jonathan918@GD
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    My GD Movie blu-ray and Giants box blu-ray, both play and sound fantastic!!

    Heres to hoping the Winterland 1974 stuff comes out someday

  • jonathan918@GD
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    Thank you

    Thanks for all the thoughts and info on dvd players. Really appreciate it.

    I was frustrated that all my dvd's played but my veiw from vaults would only produce picture but no sound. And strangely enough, when I hit fast foward it would play the audio at that speed??

    Anyhow, I understand some folks having a preference for something different in a dvd player, all though, admittedly, I don't know what!!!

    I'm lost on it, personally

    I guess my point is, to me, this is apperas to be a tatic to make folks repurchase things. Even though nothing is avalible but youtube, which has some decent audio but I would have liked the dvd's to work that I bought.

    Thanks again, gang

  • alvarhanso
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    I figured the original source film might be adaptable to upscaling, but you'd have to find the master print. Somehow Criterion Collection found a much better print of Seven Samurai between their first DVD version and the 3 DVD version about 15 years later. That transfer was very much welcomed. I just wonder how many of the 4K transfers are finding master prints to put the work into. Sort of like Plangent has been used on a couple of Dave's if I'm not mistaken, and they probably needed it, if they went through the extra time and expense. But if they tried Plangent on a 4th generation Reel, it's akin to polishing a turd. I could see there being wildly mixed results. I'm okay with the dvds and BluRays I have of Lawrence of Arabia and other epics. If Terrence Malick movies look decent on my screen, I'm definitely good. Which reminds me, Malick released The Voyage of Time in 2016, and it's never had a physical media release in the US, so I had to order a German copy, and it did not play in my Region Free player, so had a buddy rip it for me. That made me think about getting yet another BluRay player. That cycle, she's vicious!

  • Oroborous
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    4K

    Like vinyl, digital etc, can be good IF done right.
    With 4K that means watching on a extra large screen, sitting closer than might be comfortable, and with all other gear with proper settings etc, AND, (this is the big caveat) with good, properly done source material!!
    8Ks even worse in that regard.
    For most folks and on the majority of TVs, in the “average” household viewing situation, they aren’t going to see a big, if even noticeable difference.
    But like anything else, if done properly on a big system it can be good.

    Edit: note, similar fuckery happens sometimes with High Res Music: they just copy lower resolution source to Hi res file, not cool Kyle, not cool!
    Always check the lineage/source when purchasing anything “upconverted” or legacy source material that’s rehashed on a higher resolution format!

    This is also one reason why many early CDs sound like crap and gave digital a bad name. They didn’t use the original higher res source masters, that and conversion (Analog to digital etc). Fortunately, digital, especially conversion and DACs have come a long way and if done right can be amazing!

  • Colin Gould
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    4K resolution

    Looking online 35mm film has an equivalent resolution of around 5.6k. So more than 4k. So 35mm and 70mm films, properly transferred, should look better on 4k screens and players than on standard Bluray. A problem with some ‘70’s programs/shows is that they were recorded direct to video tape which has inherently poor resolution. This is why programmes like ‘Mork and Mindy’ or ‘Soap’ look terrible on big screens. I have no first hand experience of this because I don’t have a 4k player or television but when my current kit dies I will certainly get them, unless 8k becomes more than a niche product.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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This show definitely has more spunk than 5/3. I can just feel the energy in the room.
And I really like that disjointed Half Step opener!
Purple Pyramids? Takes me back to the summer of '80. Had some real good times.
Camping in the Blue Ridge Mountains, body surfing at Hattaras, or just hanging out and reading Zap Comix with good friends and good vibes.

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Yesterday I was reading the June issue of ‘The Wire’ with an article about Shellac and today I see that Steve Albini has died. Bad timing with the new album.

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This release is exceptional. I never post but could not resist. Hearing for the first time made me lol at how good it is. Thanks to the team for getting it to us!

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Spring '71
Fall '79
YES a coupla great shows indeed!!!!

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....did no one on the "popular" board wish Bill The Drummer a Happy Birthday yesterday?
We all slacking yo.

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Happy Birthday to Billy! Hellava Drummer. 78 sun trips now, I will remember that from here on out as I was jamming to Boston 5/7~1977 Yesterday & of course some Cornell today. Dancing in the Street!

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Some one should've cast the blame on the "Hey Now" about Bill's absent B~Day wishes. Now seriously, I've got a theory. Every time I try to post some "T.M.I." about my futures speculations on Dave's picks. I get the Hey Now.

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...STEP BACK...
...AND THEN YET ANOTHER STEP BACK...
...Doesn't that feel better...

for today's listening enjoyment, backin' up the truck to 1977-05-07 boston garden, this should get me thru my almost 3 hour grass cutting chore for today :]

Peace All!
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Happy belated Birthday Billy!

I always loved Garcia's line on how Billy got in the band. Something to the effect of I couldn't understand a word he was staying so we asked him to be our drummer.

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Good call Proudfoot. I love this rockin' raw period. And a great quote from Jerry "We have Pigpen with us but we forgot to bring an organ..." How I would love to go back in time and follow these guys.

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Hey rockers!!

3/24/71: Weir’s cryptic “Code Seminole, check 3 check 3 check 1, Red Dog over, proceed plan Dakota…”

Actually, a very solid show, especially the Pigpen material, organ or no organ. Also the Truckin'/Other One is crunchy. Always worth a listen and would make a nice official release some day..........

Inner space is so much more interesting, because outer space is so empty.....

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… two primo picks my brother! For 71’ and 11/24/79 is a favorite of mine!

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So I guess it’s Sheldon Keefe’s fault that Marner doesn’t back-check.

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...that this is a really great release. This show is as good as anything from the tour. Actually, that applies to both shows included in this release along with the bonus disc.

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Has been a favorite of mine for many years. My all time favorite Hard To Handle. Crackles with energy.

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Started listening to the RT series a while back when it was the hot topic. Lots of good music, and I rarely listen a Bob cowboy song, so worked out for me. <Hey Now Test>

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37 years ago today I was at Laguna Seca Raceway having a great time with the Good old Grateful Dead. Great show! Bill Kreutzmann dedicated He's Gone to the memory of Paul Butterfield.. The Dead came out after the show and filmed the Touch of Grey video.

GD87 is a year I rarely listen to

I will try 5 9

only show I attended in 87 was 7 19 87

GD were so so

Dylan and Grateful Dead together was priceless

....Dave's 38 - Nassau.
Metallica-....And Justice For All
Pearl Jam - VS
King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard - Fishing For Fishies (vinyl)
BOC - Secret Treaties (new 180g vinyl release)
All bangers imo.
Stop what you are doing. Right now. And find BOC's Flaming Telepaths. Somewhere. Anywhere. And tell me what your thoughts are on that song.
Soooo good.
Edit....Let Me Sing Your Blues Away from DaP 38 just started. Surprise!

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I did very much enjoy DaP49. The first disc of 50 to my ear was a bit slow and sloppy, if still good (is anything from 1977 NOT at least "good"?). Then the Might As Well starts a bit slow and sloppy, only to find some real energy towards the end. Then Estimated gets quite lovely and suddenly--SUGAREE! Wow. Then everything is just top-notch, with a stellar Wharf Rat. Good stuff, Maynard!

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I bet most of us got the email from the G_D today, this week at D_ead Ne_t. I noticed they are not steering readers to this site for the first time in a while on one of these emails, my guess is because of the Hey Meow banter and dissatisfaction with their web policies.

A missed opportunity during a time of declining sales.

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Love it.. love it.. love it.. great show(s), great sound - moore may 77.. BW from Copenhagen

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. . . but very cool. "The Clubhouse Sessions - Episode 1" (google it!). Fly-on-the-wall-view of Phil rehearsing with Grahame, Nicki Bluhm, Daniel Donato, John Molo & Holly Bowling . Keep on bombin' Phil!

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Just never stops, can't even finish my post, think I'm done here

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You think someone would wake up and say.. hey, maybe the kind heads on dread n_et actually know what they are talking about and our new IT director and brainchild of the new web architecture Bozola the clown aka Dr. Hey No_w is smoking a bit too much crack.

You're right Burnsy, it's a shame to see some of the really good-natured fun people get fed up and leave. People best at spreading infectious enthusiasm that fuels this place and surely improves sales.

It just never stops.

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It would help if we just knew the rules which are way past you can't put in a web address, etc. The randomness is very frustrating. Which word is getting me HNed?
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I agree 1,000 percent that we should have either resolution or some goddamned actual rules about what words can or can't be posted. What symbols will be flagged. Don't just piss off your literal customer base by making us deal with this shit for literally months. We put up with some ridiculous excuses on Warehouse migration issues that affected releases years after the warehouse was moved into, so at some point it would be nice to get a sense of what the hell is going on, and why it cannot be fixed easily and more quickly than months. As an act of protest, I am getting Mars Hotel 50th and zoetrope disc from Jeff Bezos.

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This Hey Now stuff. Hey now seems to have started as a fun play on Iko, now it can be torturous.

We got the crickets and cicadas singing like crazy. Wonder what it is like around Illinois where they are getting the double brood. The mighty locust chomp then the birds get a double meal.

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Who the phque is in charge name please

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short answers

cd player make model

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Received on April 27th.

First listen on anniversary dates, Niiiiice!

And love 1989-05-07. The first true dive to go deep in Midi with D/S. Just listen to D/S intro into the other 1. Amazing Sounds and transition. It was a big deal back then because it was the first time Phil played the opening bars of The Other One in a long while, if memory serves...

Billy's 43

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We’re going to finish up and send you on your way with one more “Other One intro” show, but one that’s a little less widely known. It’s actually the last of the 14 Grateful Dead shows in the intimate, forest-like setting of Frost Amphitheater on the Stanford University campus in the 1980s. It just so happened to be Kreutzmann’s 43rd birthday, and this Sunday afternoon show was solid and enjoyable. But makes the cut here, though, because of 12 shining minutes in the second set that showed that the band still knew how to experiment, explore, and blow a few minds in the process.

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Hell Noed

Can look up title, ill keep trying

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