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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Oroborous
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    Ahhh Berry interesting

    Jonathan, ok, now we’re getting good intel, I.e., video good but audio not.
    Check out both the audio settings on the DVD and the player, sounds like something not synced right. Also, try the ole hard boot: (with the volume down, ahem) pull the plug on the player…wait a minute, then plug back in, hey, EVERYTHING has micro processing now! Then turn volume up to check.
    Guessing a disc setting since your other discs are ok…?

  • billy the kiddd
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    2024 1969 Box Set

    10/31/69, 6/27 & 28 69 4/5 & 6/69, 5/30/69, makes for a mighty fine box set. Apparently Dave said they decide what these box sets are going to be 2 or 3 years in advance.

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    Been chillin

    or shopping for chillum

  • Gary Farseer
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    what oro and colin said, was away from computer a while.

    Bought 65" samsung 4k television on 2020-02-01, arrived that valentine's day. Covid hit and i am immunocompromised due to appendix rupture. So the tv still sits in its box waiting for a friend to come by and help me with it. Hopefully up and running within the next month. I bought it before i truly understood how the makers of tv always have to get to buy the next thing before the next thing is fully realized. Fortunately I got a steal(y) on it, tv, tax, and shipping was $625. Of course any warranty would be almost gone. So I might have an expensive 60 pound box in my house.

  • Gary Farseer
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    4k

    My understanding, and I haven't spent as much time on it as conekid, daverock, etc.

    4k has more to do with size. Isn't it always. That is when you have a 40" hdtv that is all you need is an hdtv. When you move to 55" - 85" (if there is one), you need 4k. When you move to a 90" or above you need 8k. That is, the larger the screen the more you need tight pixelization (new word?). They have been trying to push for 8k tv's for a couple of years now. But if you have a smaller screen you dont need more definition as it is baked in. There is but scant true 4k content and yet to date I have not seen an 8k production to date, but I am not looking much.

    So 35mm film can transfer to much lager screens. Forty something years ago I was working at a movie theater and they showed Raiders of the Lost Ark in 70mm. The film was shot in 70mm, one of few. The theater was the only 70mm theater in a 500 mile radius. We had tourists come to watch in 70mm, and I mean it ran for like 6 months. Tourist travel was shocking. Definition so good you can see Harrison Ford eat the fly in that scene. I can only imagine how good that movie will look in 4k and 8k.

    Mileage may vary, I aint no expert.

    Edit: forty something years ago

  • jonathan918@GD
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    My GD Movie blu-ray and Giants box blu-ray, both play and sound fantastic!!

    Heres to hoping the Winterland 1974 stuff comes out someday

  • jonathan918@GD
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    Thank you

    Thanks for all the thoughts and info on dvd players. Really appreciate it.

    I was frustrated that all my dvd's played but my veiw from vaults would only produce picture but no sound. And strangely enough, when I hit fast foward it would play the audio at that speed??

    Anyhow, I understand some folks having a preference for something different in a dvd player, all though, admittedly, I don't know what!!!

    I'm lost on it, personally

    I guess my point is, to me, this is apperas to be a tatic to make folks repurchase things. Even though nothing is avalible but youtube, which has some decent audio but I would have liked the dvd's to work that I bought.

    Thanks again, gang

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    I figured the original source film might be adaptable to upscaling, but you'd have to find the master print. Somehow Criterion Collection found a much better print of Seven Samurai between their first DVD version and the 3 DVD version about 15 years later. That transfer was very much welcomed. I just wonder how many of the 4K transfers are finding master prints to put the work into. Sort of like Plangent has been used on a couple of Dave's if I'm not mistaken, and they probably needed it, if they went through the extra time and expense. But if they tried Plangent on a 4th generation Reel, it's akin to polishing a turd. I could see there being wildly mixed results. I'm okay with the dvds and BluRays I have of Lawrence of Arabia and other epics. If Terrence Malick movies look decent on my screen, I'm definitely good. Which reminds me, Malick released The Voyage of Time in 2016, and it's never had a physical media release in the US, so I had to order a German copy, and it did not play in my Region Free player, so had a buddy rip it for me. That made me think about getting yet another BluRay player. That cycle, she's vicious!

  • Oroborous
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    Like vinyl, digital etc, can be good IF done right.
    With 4K that means watching on a extra large screen, sitting closer than might be comfortable, and with all other gear with proper settings etc, AND, (this is the big caveat) with good, properly done source material!!
    8Ks even worse in that regard.
    For most folks and on the majority of TVs, in the “average” household viewing situation, they aren’t going to see a big, if even noticeable difference.
    But like anything else, if done properly on a big system it can be good.

    Edit: note, similar fuckery happens sometimes with High Res Music: they just copy lower resolution source to Hi res file, not cool Kyle, not cool!
    Always check the lineage/source when purchasing anything “upconverted” or legacy source material that’s rehashed on a higher resolution format!

    This is also one reason why many early CDs sound like crap and gave digital a bad name. They didn’t use the original higher res source masters, that and conversion (Analog to digital etc). Fortunately, digital, especially conversion and DACs have come a long way and if done right can be amazing!

  • Colin Gould
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    Looking online 35mm film has an equivalent resolution of around 5.6k. So more than 4k. So 35mm and 70mm films, properly transferred, should look better on 4k screens and players than on standard Bluray. A problem with some ‘70’s programs/shows is that they were recorded direct to video tape which has inherently poor resolution. This is why programmes like ‘Mork and Mindy’ or ‘Soap’ look terrible on big screens. I have no first hand experience of this because I don’t have a 4k player or television but when my current kit dies I will certainly get them, unless 8k becomes more than a niche product.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

Result of test is that the word ‘ W I n g s’
is still banned.

Must be that Rhino has something against Paul McCartney.

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I agree with people who talk about video being a distraction. Some of the video is VERY nice, but I don't want to think about the images, I want to think about the music. I too listened to a lot of shows without opening my eyes.

I like to see some dynamic, moving tie dye patterns. Swirling patterns that suck you into another dimension.

did it work?

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I wonder about the sound at the sphere.

So far I've only heard how it sounds via a cell phone!

Hard to imagine a focused sound from so high up.

They claim all seats sound great!?!

I too like to hear from an attendee.

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I've been sorting and labeling a massive amount of Allman Brothers shows, so I get to listen to quite a few chunks of "things".

I have to say, in my opinion, far and away their best song is In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.

God I love this tune.

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Like all things, it is reasonable to expect an evolution of musical presentation with venues like Sphere. The fact that bands want to try to do things a little differently, to bring another facet to their music is pretty intriguing IMHO. The tech hadn't existed until now, and even now, there will be varying degrees of how it is used, what a vision may be for the future, etc. It does seem to be a marvel in its own right, but with discerning Deadheads (and Phisheads) it is understandable why there is such a fervor of opinions and criticality as well as outright love and adoration. It's because we all put so much of ourselves and our expectations into this music because we are forever pursuing that happiness, that edge of the cliff that brings the thrill of the unknown. This venue allows people to take hold of that expectation - or not - depending on what each of our preferences may be. For those who love to close the eyes and groove out to the music with the inner visuals, that's great; for those who want to take in the incredible offerings of the video, it's there to absorb in all its glory. At a minimum, the sound is really supposed to be top notch from every corner, so there shouldn't be many complaints there. At the end of the day, it all comes down to individual expectations and how each of the attendees opens themselves to possibilities. Still would be interesting to hear of anyone's first hand impressions at the venue but I know we'll get VGuy's feedback before too long.

As an aside, I'm spinning DaP18 (17JULY76) and am reminded just how incredible that Comes A Time turned out. It's the most lovely piece of work on that song I've ever heard.

Do Carry On,
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P.S. Thx 1stShow for setting me straight on my 17's vs. 18's

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Hoy Nhow fix would take no time, little money. In my old job, projects frozen, budget resources reallocated? Seen this before, right before sell out. No idea if im right. Something doesnt make sense round these parts....Just hope the new overlords show us mercy, should my uneducated guess be correct. Or I will just wait till the dust clears...and the ducks are all lined up. The music is all that matters to me in the end.

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Great nickname!
I think it's DaP 18.
Cheers
Edit: Putting that one in the queue.
The bonus has a Spanish Jam.

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I was once told I would be thrown out of a venue if I didn't open my eyes while listening. I can remember being told this, then drifting off again, only to open my eyes to see staff glaring at me from across the room. One of the advantages of wearing shades, I guess. No one can see where you're not looking.

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My friend's spouse just bailed on him for a Billy Strings show tonight, so I guess I'm suddenly his +1! I've never seen Billy before, so this should be a hoot! I'll definitely close my eyes during portions, as I often close my eyes for large portions of the classical and jazz concerts I normally attend. What we THINK we see can be deceiving, and is often distracting . . .

It’s the music that matters, which is why sitting behind the stage at a GD show was still a lot of fun.

But if the visuals of the Sphere are what matters, then Roger Waters will probably be the future King of the Sphere.

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42 years ago( boy that time went by fast) I was up in Berkeley ( along with a lot of great people who post here on this forum) having a blast with the Good old Grateful Dead. Fun times.

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I know it is jumping the gun a bit, but just pulled out "1 from the Vault" for the first time in a loong while.. hope a new mix/mastering of this show will come with the 50th..

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Danehead, they remastered it in 2007 in HDCD. It is a big upgrade. I picked one up a couple of years ago and was glad I did.

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....Furiosa : A Mad Max Saga comes out this weekend.
Big fan of the Mad Max movies. Tix secured. I'll see you down the ole' Fury Road.
Far cry from the Lazy River Road for sure. 🍻.

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I've never seen a Mad Max film, but the fact that the extraordinary looking Anya Taylor-Joy is in the latest has been noted.

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Going to see this hot band tomorrow night. Looking forward to it!

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....waiting for DH Brewers thoughts.
The setlist looks 👌
Edit. Breaking news. Google Live Nation news.
The wheels of justice move slow, but they move.
I'll be keeping a close eye on this.

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Ha Ha....it was 56 years ago this past weekend that I had my 17 year old brain fried...it was a show at the Shrine Expo Hall in LA...Grateful Dead, Steve Miller Band & Taj Mahal (with Jesse Ed Davis)...a month before high school graduation and the draft staring me in the mug...

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Tedeschi Trucks Band is DA BOMB!!! Have a great time...

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That is pretty sweet Nappy,. That is a long time ago and you are still at it. That is great. Looking forward to hopefully some new release news soon.

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When the movie came out there was a review that said, "you swear the stunt people had to die".

Dave, did they have drive-ins in England?

Love me some drive-in.

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When all that Taylor Swift ticket business was happening I was kind of excited, I KNEW something would finally be done about it. It is however very annoying that it took as long as it did, like we'd still be getting screwed. I could go on for a very long time about this...

Hey, we have three weeks in a row of new releases coming up! NEW Jerry!! :)

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Dennis - no I don;t think they had drive ins in England. I was never away of them anyway. I remember one of my friends going to outdoor showings of films in Brighton about 20 years ago - usually cult films. "Withnail And I" was one, featuring the above advice from drug dealer Danny. He was one of the best screen versions of a hippie/freak circa England 1969 that I have ever seen. " You have to find your neutral space" - wise words for the over stoned.

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ConeKid & Doc both get shutouts in this month's GD Bulletin;
The volume appears to be on and turned up, people!
Inspiration is Everywhere.

"Some great comments in the thread too. ForensicDocEleven recalls the 1984 solstice show: “My best friend and I were at the 6/21/84 show, we rode up on the motorcycles and had a blast. The three song encore was super sweet. Hey now!” And, on the subject of road trip soundtracks, Icecrmcnkid is playing 11-10-67, has 5/15/70 queued up, and muses, “Does GOGD help reduce road rage? I think it does.”"

Stay Inspiring,
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Amazing film. Richard E. Grant as Withnail is a towering performance of a loathsome, awful person. Glad he's getting more roles in big films these days. How To Get A Head in Advertising is also brilliant, and just as insane. Think it was the same writer-director of Withnail. Frightening how much of that story is based on his actual life. Never thought I'd see that mentioned on deadnet.

Edited to add: Ralph Brown as Danny is just fantastic in Withnail as well. He was also the insane roadie Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.

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… hello my brothers and sisters, hope all is well with everyone! Dicks Picks #12 is Primo!
Coming in July, ‘ Experience Vinyl’ is Releasing “ ‘Shakedown Street’ - Blue Vinyl on 7/26/24
‘Go To Heaven’ - Blue Vinyl on 7/26/24
‘Dead Set’ Vinyl on 7/5/24
‘ Reckoning’ - Vinyl on 7/5/24

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I think I asked you this before about the Santa Clara Pop Festival May '69...a blast through and through...If I remember right I think you said your Brother and some of his friends went... a shame we can't post pictures here like before...My wife and I about 20 years ago were visiting a friend at his new girlfriend's house...she had the festival poster framed and on her kitchen wall...I yelped and told her I had been at that gig and she walked over, took it off the wall and handed it to me...GULP....a very sweet gesture on her part and I knew at that moment she was way to good for my friend...I've previously mentioned here the story about Jefferson Airplane's performance...for fear of being Now'ed I will save it for another post....

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My brothers friend went in 1968 and saw the Dead play, another friend went in 1969 and saw Hendrix play. He has a hand bill from the 1969 show that his friend gave him.

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42 years ago ( where did the time go) I was at the Greek Theatre along with Nappy and a lot of other great folks having a great Sunday with the Grateful Dead. Fun times.

Nice to be anywhere, as Keith Richards likes to point out - but it must have been particularly great to see The Dead in the late 60's. Not to mention Hendrix. Truly legendary.

I believe a few Camberwell Carrots were sparked up at that outdoor showing of "Withnail and I' in Brighton. So yes, it would have been nice to have been there, too. Groovy town, Brighton, by the sound of it.

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for good ole Bob Dylan, Mr. Zimmerman makes around the sun one more time. Congratulations and will fire one up for you today.

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This morning just got an early morning amazon delivery of vinyl bootleg series More BOTT, loving it!

Side note, never had Nightfall Diamonds cd, picked up RSD vinyl and it is sooo great!

Today arrives Dicks Real Gone, getting Head ready.

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Can you believe it's been 23 years since this was originally released? Wowser.

1989 is the gift that keeps on giving. Unlike Spring 90, this year has been released sporadically in drips and drabs over the years but to me it's at least as good maybe better.

I know everyone has their own comfort spot for GD and 80's falls outside the purview of many. For me it's an equalizer and palate cleanser. The yang that follows ying. Nightfall has always been in rotation. Some of those late era Let It Grow's for example are powerful statements that the GD was still relevant and had some gas left in their tank. I have warmed up to the Giants 89 show lately also. The Giants box might be just a tad under rated.

As for Bangor ME, one of my earliest tapes. I believe I got this in the same batch as the 12/7 Felt Forum show with that rare Washed My Hands in Muddy Water. I have a great fondness for this one, it's baked into a lot of memories.

Back to your regularly scheduled 32 minute Other One followed by work avoidance until the clock strikes quitting time and our holiday weekend officially starts.

Edit: Wow, how did I get that one through the hey now filters and scrubbers? Praise be, have a good weekend ya'all.

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I was there. On the rail. It was great. Always worth a listen!
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My copy arrived today. I received the shipping mail on April 23 and it is now May 24. After I had paid the inevitable baksheesh to the Dutch customs, they inexplicably held on to the package for 16 days before passing it on to the postal service. What were they doing? Sleeping on the job? Anyway, it is now here and I have something new to listen to this weekend.

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Hey Nappy, TTB WAS the Bomb! What a fun show, many highlights, a great cover of "into the Mystic", and this is a band with a strong sense of dynamics, loud to quiet at a moments notice. That's something lacking in many bands, IMHO.

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Funny to think that show at the Berkeley Greek was 40 years ago today. Fun to know that Marye BtK and other kool people here were also there. I was the tall geeky white dude with the Bertha shirt who kept yelling for Bird Song. Back near the sounboard, a little to the right. Remember me?

Also also there was my friend Holly. Girl, if you're out there somewhere please know I still think of you fondly. You are a magnificent Buddha.

About time for the box set announcement, innit? Time for the Big Berkeley Box, I say.

PS: I'll be seeing TTB at the Greek one week from now.

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I hope its something from 1970, with electric and acoustic music. Somehow I feel it might be from 76, 77, or 78. I'm sure that I'll enjoy it whatever it is.

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I'm hoping for a banana box. The packaging could be simple, yellow, blue and white but instead of Chiquita it reads Owsley. 1968 and 1969. (70 will do, but they are scarce)

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