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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Doc has carte blanche this board.

    Along with a few others. I’m not even sure I deserve membership.

    Sorry, but I love Peggy-O. Especially Spring 77

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    Holy Sugaree, Batman!

    Never heard Jerry do THAT. When I saw the track length, was hoping it would be like the other longer ones of this tour (sorry, Doc, please ignore this), and it has a similar structure, but just before the final crescendo, Jerry's work is really interesting, since it's not like him to hang on one note so much. Definitely gonna brave the hum for another listen after this is done.

    Also, I noted the lack of credit to ABCD on this, yet previously uncirculating Bettys from May '77. Sorry, that's one of my obsessions, noting which releases hail from that trove, especially noting when it's recorded by Owsley (DaP 24 8/25/72) or Rex (21 4/2/73, 22 12/6-7/71, 26 11/17/71 and 12/14/71, etc).

    Eyes with more of a 1974 feel and tempo. As Yosemite Sam would say, I like it, I like it! Can't wait for the Playing sandwich. Wow, what a Wharf Rat! Jerome John Garcia with some of his most fluid playing. Sometimes with Wharf Rat he goes for some patterns or arpeggios and doesn't quite nail them. Here he does. Even digging the Drums, which is not a favorite of mine in 1977. This one is high energy, especially for one about to slam into the Bo Diddley beat of Not Fade Away.

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    saint stephen!!!

    This board is fun

    God Bless the Grateful Dead

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Wow

    Not only did I not get Hey Now’d on that, I didn’t even have to take the reCRAPTCHA quiz.

    No 50 here yet.
    Spinning 4-8-72 vinyl.
    Doc will probably approve.

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    Doc, you know nothing

    about ice cream.

    Blue Moon is the best.

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    4189 was awaiting my return from work, on Bertha now. Not a fan of the more reggae Berthas of May '77, 5-5 New Haven being my absolute least favorite, this one was much better. The mix on this has more audience ambience, much stronger drums in this mix than most May '77 shows, less Phil, and good vocals, with a touch of reverb. Peggy-O sounds really good (to my ears, Doc, but I'm a big fan of Peggy-O, Ship of Fools, and Row Jimmy all), perhaps as good as the Boston one of 5-7, which is a favorite. That's as far as I've got, but it sounds like another great Betty Board as far as sound quality. The Bonus Disc (including the front and back covers) looks phenomenal. That said, does it match the hype of the 50th release in the Series? To be determined, but I will need lots of convincing. I would have loved a release that paired up some '67-'68 Dead and a Bonus Disc that was maybe that 55 min Alligator. Make that unobtanium, and they would have sold out the subscriptions.

    That intro and crowd response to the first Jack Straw in 3 years is pretty sweet. The high pitched hum has returned, however. Noticed that on first couple songs. Hope that gets resolved, otherwise this may get very few repeat listens. I know that took a sudden turn, but as it wears on, I'm having some trouble not hearing it when it resolves. Surprised I haven't seen that mentioned, especially since I imagine a lot of you are headphones listeners. I'm listening on my stereo, slightly cranked at almost 2. No hum on Jimmy so far... Interesting keyboard work by Keith on Jimmy, one of the few times you can really hear him that I can recall. Let's see if Hank Kingsley will let this germane post through.

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    Last leg of Spring 77'

    Tuscaloosa thru Hartford is my personal favorite part of the tour. It just cooks night after night.

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    Don't have mine yet, but I feel like I missed out as I never dated a supermodel like Jim.

    Hey Now!

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    Well, 5-4-77 is JAM heavy…

    Well, 5-4-77 is JAM heavy and sure beats the hell out of ANY late '71 show without a Dark Star or The Other One. The '71 Heads fired the first shot here! No improvisation?

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    Pretty much where I stand on this release. I don’t deny I'm suffering from an embarrassment of riches. There's just so much 1977 available, especially May, and the degree of improv the Dead were executing on stage pre hiatus is gone. But I don't really see it as anything special. I had a few more comments but the website here thanks I am entering something against policy for some reason.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

Hypothetically, could the president shoot their rival on a live TV debate and claim immunity because they needed to protect the future of the country?

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Doubt it will get any better in our lifetime, though.

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that today, 7-1-2024, was when the overthrow of the country began. Now, the king is immune and can do whatever he/she wants as long as it is an '"official act" what classifies as "official act"? So, if the sitting president deems it is necessary to remove dissenters, he can? Just declare it an "official act" and can do anything? The logic of this argument escapes me. Now, every criminal in the country will be running for office, why not? can do whatever one wants when in office. Supreme court says so. What an absolute criminal joke.
Never owned a weapon, never in my life, but it might be time to acquire one, without the government's knowledge, of course. I'm afraid that for this country, "Summertime has come and gone, my oh my".

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I liked Colin's idea.
To quote Jimi, "Hey Joe, what you doin' with that gun in your hand?".
Not that I approve of violence of course.
We will survive, to quote another great source.
Cheers

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....regarding this fucked up news. Happy to see I was beaten to the punch.
It was a good run America.
Also, on a side note, SCOTUS also ruled that states can fine and arrest homeless people sleeping in the streets. 🍻

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Yes, they could do that. In order for there to be punishment, it would have to be deemed non-official, and I'm not sure if they bought the crock about needing to be adjudication guilty by the Senate first. It was such a wise move ending the Emoluments lawsuit after they waited to take it up after he left office, and dismissed on the grounds that it was moot as he was no longer in office. Yet, had they determined he violated the Emoluments Clause, he could have been impeached again. Or could he, being out of office, yet certainly violations that took place only while in office, because that's the only possible time an offense could ever take place. We have some real winners on the Supreme Court. Their favorite Dan album is clearly Pretzel Logic.

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Time to buckle up and get the nose to the grindstone. Vote this garbage out of existence and then let’s get busy expanding The Supreme Court it is IMHO the only way forward now. John Robert’s will have the destruction of the rule of law on his gravestone hope he enjoys that. Alito and Thomas and those wives are shameless.

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Agree this is a disastrous day for our country and the "rule of law";
while difficult to understand, there is a grain of hope in the steadfastness of those who oppose such extremes and wish and want for a more positive way forward.

We are that, and we are here.

Chin up, people.
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I tried to post a bit more but got repeatedly HN'd (it's not gone, apparently) and couldn't figure out what was so offensive, so I'm trying once again with a shortened version.

In the late 1990s, my grandmother and I would often keep each other company in the evenings, and after talking about the news of the day, she'd eventually say something along the lines of, "well honey, I hate to say it, but your grandfather and I saw the best days that this country had to give." I used to just nod in mute assent and think I was hearing the sad laments of a grieving widow, but over the last couple of decades, since she passed away, her words seem increasingly prescient.

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"Hold your head up high" - VU

"We can live beside the ocean
Leave the fire behind
Swim out past the breakers
Watch the world die" - Everclear

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I have recommended this show multiple times without a peep.

Billy's Birthday.

Phil brings back the intro to the other one.

Drums/Space with midi heading into the other one is outrageous.

So glad to have someone else onboard!

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When Nixon resigned 50 years, all he was accused of was planning the burglary and wiretapping of his political opponents. Little did he know: he could've just had them all killed!

We know this because this very example was discussed in oral arguments for today's Supreme Court decision. The former president's lawyers were asked: could a president order the Navy SEALs to assassinate his political opponents, and use presidential immunity to avoid prosecution? They said yes, he could. And now the Supreme Court has agreed.

We thought things were pretty bad back '74. It seemed incredible to think that the president was involved in something so blatantly illegal as the Watergate break in. But back then, we all assumed that even presidents were not above the law, and even Nixon agreed. He may have been a crook, but he had enough decency and respect for the presidency to resign when evidence of his crimes became public.

What a sucker. What a loser. He could've just had all those people killed.

Welcome to the future, folks. The next US president, and all those after him, will have unlimited power, without any of that annoying "balance of power, coequal branches of government" stuff to worry about. Watch what you say and keep your head on a swivel. It's going to get weird.

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Then fate recently guided me to 87-91 for focused listening.

I had heard 5 7 89 before, but back then it seemed bland.

I am glad I took another chance on it.

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....look it up.
An awesome box would feel good right about now.

I tossed out 5/7/89 on the Pick of the Day thread.

(I did when gfar mentioned it too, but nobody listened)
hehe.. just kidding, I must have missed his post or I would have.

Ya'll be good.

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I mean, what's in the box and when will we know?

Jim, I know you're not a real doctor, you just live in MD.

But hey can you tell me, what's in the box for me????

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Looks like one of those before ___ and after ___ watersheds. “Where were you when the Supreme Court of the United States terminated the experiment” “NOPE, we weren’t able to keep it.”

Doesn’t anybody remember Roy Cohn? In the 1950s he was Joe McCarthy’s chief council for the Witch-hunts. Later, in 1971, he began meticulously schooling a young real estate tycoon wannabe in New York City in the fine points of “reflect, distract, lie, cheat, deflect, eliminate your opposition by any and all means, and, above all, never, ever admit you’re wrong.” Almost half of the country has been hypnotized by this weird metastasizing pied piper. Guess maybe we really shouldn’t be surprised.

Since Gary’s still having trouble with the Hey Now Brown Shirts, here’s a small teaser of the sound advice/perspective he offered regarding 5/7/89 a few years ago (maybe he can get the rest posted – otherwise I’ll be glad to try):

Gary Farseer: I usually start at Crazy Fingers & go to the end. An excellent sequence of psychedelia. Oh yeah, can someone help if they know? My understanding was this was the first TOO where Phil brought back the bass intro. Not sure when it fell off the map but know many got a kick out of it. You can hear them fiddle around as Phil puts his regular bass back on. The effects are intense. Listen to the space from both the audience & the board, you can tell how well the P.A. was kicking this night. Oh yeah at around four-twenty mark of TOO, Brent pushes an effect that sounds just like the angelic choir in heaven. Even though it is only one second, it is one second I always loved.

The admirable restraint shown here regarding severely twisted politics is commendable. The ruling announced today was a foregone conclusion, based on current clown majority. The fix was in. Their short term strategy, the woefully irresponsible delay already happened. All is not lost, immunity from specific charges is yet to be determined, what's official, what is not. For example, what Tricky Dick did was clearly not official, and they had to strike a deal with his corrupt VP Agnew first to resign to make sure he did not replace RN. Soon a great deal of new evidence should come to light via pre trial hearings before the election. Voters will decide if they will support a depraved sociopath and convicted criminal whom they know will pardon himself and hundreds of criminals while he threatens to jail his opponents.

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I do have some inside information regarding the next box set.

Unfortunately, the release date of the 2024 Box Set has been delayed indefinitely. It is apparently in some sort of legal limbo. Both the Velvet Underground and the Estate of Andy Warhol have sued the artist and Rhino for copyright infringement. You see, the cover art is full of drawings of bananas, after all it's in the shape of a banana box. As luck would have it and completely by coincidence, one of the bananas looks strangely similar to the artwork from the album The Velvet Undergound & Nico. damned attorneys..

On a similar note, I just got what I thought was my 50th Anniversary of from the Mars Hotel. I opened it up and they sent me Dave's Picks vol. 51 by mistake. Is anyone else having this problem? An honest person would alert them to this mistake and send it back, right?

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As I understand it Federal court hearings can be televised? If so perhaps they should get them cameras ready.

Until I received an email from Ticketbastard that a data breach occurred and some of my personal information was compromised due to a third party that was storing my data in "the cloud."

Did anyone else here get this message today?

Now I'm pissed off.. why? I do not preach hate, more the opposite, but I do in fact hate ticketbastard and live nation. Now I hate them more.

The only acceptable remedy: Make them pay fees. Very expensive and numerous fees. Never ending fees for the mere inconvenience of exposing my personal data to nefarious characters through their negligence. Fees. Fees. Fees.

Screw you TicketBastard!

Accessed information, "may include email, phone number, encrypted credit card information as well as some other personal information provided to us" the page says. The company says they believe that customers who have not been notified are not involved in the breach."
Not been notified....yet.
I miss the days of hanging out at Tower Records with my Number Of The Beast on cassette in a boom box waiting for good seats. As true music fans used to do.

The same language was on my email.

Going way back.. There were no Tower Records where I grew up. It was the Hecht Company or Bass Music. Someone or groups of someone's' would camp out all night(s) to get good seats. Sometimes we would take turns and relieve the person before us. That was the only way to get good tickets until..

GDTS saved the day. Hurray.

Enter Live Nation and their loyal subsidiary TicketBastard aka Buzzkill Magill to steal my money and give me shitty seats. But at least they were expensive, thank God for that. I'd gladly give all my personal information for the same tickets at VIP pricing. Praise Be.

I guess the bands share some responsibility for allowing this mess to exist. Argh, nobody wins execpt the ones at the top of the food chain.

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Didn't everyone get a general email? I think I got an email from LN/Ticketbastard that I paid no attention to. I guess I should have taken that a little more seriously.
Edit: When did you get this email Jim?

So, there is never going to be another box ever again, Dave said we'll all just complain about it anyway....

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Dennis and other jazz collectors in the Dead sphere - Blue Note has a 2 cd/vinyl collection coming of the late great Wayne Shorter in August entitled “Celebration - Volume 1” (a tip off there may be more to come). This is “live” recordings from WS and his crack band from 2014 (a tour I saw), and a better legacy release than the not so great Detroit Jazz Festival release that came out shortly after his passing. The latter is a hard pass IMO.
While giving GarciaLive 21 a fresh listen, it struck me how complimentary Donna Godchaux was to Jerry’s solo work when she was in his band, as Jerry tended to play a pretty select group of soulful slow numbers that lent itself to her vocal range, semi-Gospel sound. I was not a great fan of her overall work with the Dead, with some exceptions, but the solo Jerry releases in which she (and Keith) were in the band, tend to be an excellent band.

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Was announced May 31.
I posted here shortly after that.
Just now getting around to telling their customers. Check your card accounts frequently.
Good luck

Ledded: How was that Stones/ Widespread concert? Anyone else see this tour?

Boycott TM

I cant think of a single show I'd want to go to anyway, but even if I did want to, I would not because I don't appreciate being ripped off.

Old Man Jenkins sez...

"I remember when a Rex benefit was $25 and I thought, well, at least that extra money is for a good cause".

Pricing plus TM equals me not attending.

Now where's that box set? I WILL give GD my money for that.

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More guv ment sanctioned, legalized stealing.

BITD we had to somehow first get to this department store that had ticketbastard.
AM&As or Hens & Kelly, forget)
We’d be lined up outside waiting for them to open.
Of course they’d open late, then we’d have to dash through the store and up the escalator to the office, then wait for those ladies to wake up and get the ancient computers going…by the time they’d be ready, half the seats would be gone and you’d always have to deal with “you want tickets for where?” Especially if in another state…by the time the whole process was finished you’d be lucky to get anything lol.
Yeah, thank goodness for Good Old GDTS (thanks again to that whole crew for all you did!) !
Didn’t usually get good seats, but only got shut out once in 17 years!

Edit: Hey Mike! Agree, similar thoughts about DG/Dead and this sweet new GarciaLive21

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Thanks for the heads up about blue note and wayne shorter.

Thanks for the comments about less than supreme court,,,, sometimes political comments are needed.
If I understand correctly, biden can now kill have the court and it's ok if it's "official".

Time to kill ticketbastard. My buddy tries to buy all his tickets at box offices (when possible)

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Ok Wayne Shorter is pre-ordered on Amazon. I checked on Blue Note site,,,, got for a buck or two cheaper from amazon AND free shipping on release day. Amazon almost always has it here the day of release.

Also, though not my favorite stuff, I ordered The Warning's latest album per V-Man. Told my son, metal with good vocals :-).

So a quick money flush this morning!

Thanks guys!

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As a certifiably Cranky Old Dude, very few things annoy me as much as the fact that in order to buy anything these days you have to download somebody's app. And in order to install the app you have to check the box that certifies that you've read and agreed to the user agreement (which of course you didn't read and wouldn't agree to if you did). Which usually means that you're giving Ticketmaster or whatever company you want to buy from access to all the personal info on your phone, which typically includes your browser history, present location, credit cards, DOB and all kinds of other stuff you don't want everybody and their moms to know. And then eventually the company is going to have a data breach and all that info is in the hands people who aren't very nice.

I've been part of at least three major data breaches in the past 18 months or so, including Ticketmaster. All I can do is set up credit alerts on Experien and hope the thieves are focused on richer people than me.

And while I'm ranting? Let's take a moment to notice that ***** has already invoked presidential immunity to postpone sentencing in the hush money case. Mind you, the felonious actions involved all took place BEFORE he was elected, and yet somehow he is still allowed to claim presidential immunity.

OK. I'm done.

It's incredibly hot in NorCalright now, and I'm heading for the Marin coast for a couple days, blaring the GOGD the whole way. Stay kool my friends.

One way or another, this darkness got to giiiiiiiive ....

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So many ticket purchasing adventures, usually ending with not so great tickets. As a native of southern Wisconsin (Milwaukee and then Madison and college in La Crosse), Alpine Valley shows in the late 80s and early to mid 90s were my go-to.

It was virtually impossible to get pavilion seats at Alpine at Ticketron outlets. Four times (Clapton 1988, Dead 1989, Stones 1989 and Clapton/SRV 1990), I arrived at the Sears on the west side of Madison with the Ticketron and was 2nd in line-- every time right behind an old friend of mine from my Milwaukee youth (man, I miss seeing Johnny U). Sears would open early for us to get to the window before sale time, the woman would input for best tickets right on time and Johnny U and I never got pavilion seats. Always lawn and man, pavilion seats would have been very welcome in 1989 for both the Dead and Stones.

I did have a couple of good ticket experiences-- as my family was moving from Milwaukee to Madison in 1987, I wanted to hit one show before my move. Went to the Ticketron to see what I could hit and scored 2nd row to the Kinks (Word of Mouth Tour) at the Riverside Theater a couple of night hence. Awesome show, still love the Kinks, amazing band. Then for Clapton's arena shows in spring 1992, I was in college in La Crosse and scored 11th row for Bradley Center and then 29th row for Target Center in Minneapolis. I found that it could be done, just not for Alpine Valley.

Glad to see so many like-minded Deadheads voicing frustration with the political decision yesterday, for that is what it was-- it wasn't a legal decision at all. We all need to get out the vote and make sure that felon isn't elected. Hope that wakes up some folks who have been on the fence.

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Miss those guys too. When I lived in downtown Sea (Lower QA - Space Needle neighborhood) and people were coming over I'd say "Do you know where the Tower Records is?" Worked every time, place was 2 blocks away. Think its a parking lot now, boooooo

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One of my many "record of month" places, offered up a group called "Listening", the album - "Listening". A late 60's psychedelic band out of Boston. I was spent out on buying more optional stuff. But the whole album is on u boob.
Sound ok (very 60's), there if you want to check out or maybe you know this group and can enlighten us with your in depth knowledge on Listening.

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....I believe you'll enjoy it Dennis.
Consume & Automatic Sun are a one-two punch to end side 2.
Big fan.
Trying to shake off the sense of dread that is forming in my gut.
Work is not helping. Some of my work family are high-fiving each other.
I don't understand the attraction or positiveness of the ruling......sigh.
Head up. Chin up Vince.
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It should be good reading on the 4th Of July, seeing that I'm not going to buy fireworks this year for the first time. Streak has been unfortunately broken. 💔
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