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    FROM THE MARS HOTEL (50TH ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION) features remastered audio by GRAMMY® Award-winning engineer David Glaser, with Plangent Processes tape restoration and speed correction. Produced for release by Grateful Dead Legacy Manager and Audio Archivist, David Lemieux, the DELUXE EDITION also includes demos of “China Doll” and “Wave That Flag” – the song that became “U.S. Blues” – as well as a previously unreleased live performance of the Grateful Dead at University of Nevada-Reno on 5/12/1974. As the band filled an outdoor football stadium with epic highs like huge “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” Mars Hotel cuts including “U.S. Blues” and classics such as “Brown-Eyed Women,” “Tennessee Jed,” “Mississippi Half-Step,” “Truckin',” “Sugar Magnolia,” a massive wind storm was no match for the Wall of Sound. Designed to improve the listening and performance experience at what were becoming larger gigs and longer, more dynamic and varied sets, the Wall of Sound required 21 stage hands, and underlined the resounding effect the Grateful Dead were having on American audiences and culture at the time, even as the entire operation remained homespun and humble. 

    Recorded in San Francisco’s Coast Recorders studio, FROM THE MARS HOTEL finds Keith Godchaux particularly shining across a variety of keys, from the “China Doll” harpsichord to the pounding piano on Bob Weir’s “Money Money,” to the churchy organ that elevates “Ship Of Fools.” Lyricist Robert Hunter packs “U.S. Blues” with a barrage of imagery, pop-culture references and sardonic asides – as Canadian author Ray Robertson writes in the 50th Anniversary Edition’s liner notes, it “carries an undeniable whiff of late-capitalism ennui…it’s the most fun you’ll ever have dancing to the end of the American Empire.” Jerry Garcia’s jaunty lead guitar drives bouncing melodies across the LP, while guests include Ned Lagin’s unnerving synth effects on “Unbroken Chain,” Clover member John McFee’s country-rock pedal steel on “Pride Of Cucamonga,” and more.

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  • JeffSmith
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    Hey Oroborous, Crow, et al – Great discussion about the inner workings of the W.O.S. Lots more moving parts than some of us lightweights usually stop to think about. Thanks for jump-starting the conversation Oro.

  • Oroborous
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    After several spins

    On various systems…

    There’s aaaaaaaalot going on here lol.
    I think it’s perhaps sonically one of the worst releases yet?
    Fortunately most won’t hear it.
    I’ll just touch on some of the more prevalent items.

    Since there was nobody really mixing the wall, and it was one of the first official wall shows, you can perhaps hear them adjusting volume etc more than usual.
    Best way to learn gear is to mess with it, and live is always different then elsewhere.
    And that’s why your hearing all that adjustment: because most of this system was controlled directly by the musicians. An interesting idea except for occasional volume wars lol.
    My first impression of this show was “sound check show” for the tour…
    They seem extra laid back and to be having fun, but definitely getting used to things, and I’m sure the wind effected that! Lots of opsies, and other weirdness too.
    It’s not bad, but I’d call it mediocre by high bar 74 standards.
    It’s interesting historically, checks the gap box, and there are some good moments, just perhaps not the most consistent outing.

    But the unfortunate thing I noticed a lot on first listen was distortion.
    All kinds…
    Sometimes guitars, which are less easy to detect, occasional bass when he pushes certain things, but most notable is the piano!
    Basically every time he really starts pounding from El Paso on…
    This isn’t necessarily an on common thing on these old tapes, but it just seems more noticeable on this one.
    Perhaps the gain settings on the tape mix board were up and combined by the direct instrument feeds, and I think KGs pre amp levels especially, and/or something to do with piano mics? I believe I read they had to basically invent something for that too, which maybe didn’t have set just right at this one!
    Maybe Kid was kinda busy with other things and didn’t get a good chance to properly monitor the tape, so as they continued to get louder and push direct levels etc, he didn’t have chance to readjust?
    All kinds of possibilities. Tape age, even with full treatment, an old oversaturated tape could be slightly over crispy.

    On less revealing systems it’s a tad harder to discern, but on the good system it reveals a whole lot of distortion, almost unlistenable at times…though you get used to it after initial surprise.

    I’ve tried it via my good server/DAC , which feeds to different zones, I’ve tried just the disc via an Oppo Blu-ray on one of those zones with different pre amp and no separate DAC etc, so it’s not the server, DAC or main pre amp, or second zone. Haven’t tried the car yet…
    I don’t think it will matter. Less noticeable perhaps, but once you hear it, it doesn’t go away lol Volume makes it more noticeable.
    That’s why I think it’s baked into the tape.
    I don’t think this is a defect.
    And I’m betting that 97% of folks out there won’t notice it for various reasons.

    I agree with Conekid, who I believe stated that though it’s not good enough for a Dave’s, and it would be kinda lame disappointment in a box, but for this “bonus” material it fills the gap, kinda goes with the theme, though 6/20 included more album songs and is a much better show ( Probably too long, and maybe saving it as the prime 74 shows are dwindling). I know he says he doesn’t have any lists, but come on, how could you net lol. It’s ok Dave, nobody will think poorly of ya lol ; )

    So what is left to ponder?
    Here’s my thoughts, of course your mmv!

    5/25 audio was subpar, but a good 74 show with nice jam sequence
    6/8 audio meh, mediocre show, nice playing sandwich!
    6/20 is more 74 caliber goodness!
    6/26 & 6/28 is it worth rehash if whole shows are usable in the vault?
    6/30 good but not RJ.
    7/21 better still? Except for Aud only?
    7/25 ahem, hear foot tapping…
    7/27 good show, big sequence light perhaps, but lil one outta US nice, and that Playin…oye!
    I need to go through the hacked up stuff, but not sure I’d prioritize any of this?
    9/14 and 9/20 are good, I’d call the 21st a step behind?
    Some of these suffer from jam light…
    That just leaves WL. Which lol, somehow I’ve not done the complete shows yet.
    So I’ll wait until I do so this fall…

  • nitecat
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    FTMH Album

    I listened to the remastered MH for the second time last night. Very sweet sounding. The harmonies are lush. I was more aware of different instruments I'm hearing having been informed by the excellent series, Good Ol Grateful Podcast, which has been doing deep dives into each song on the album. I highly recommend the podcast.

    The Reno show recording takes a little time to get together. The second set is pretty hot especially the Truckin>TOO. I'm a little biased because Reno was my second official WOS show. I do remember the band taking a little time to get going.

  • Crow Told Me
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    I commented on the audio of this release some time ago after listening to the studio album and the first disc of the live set. The studio stuff sounded much, much better than my old lp, no surprise there. But I thought the live stuff pretty uneven, in terms of the audio quality. Couldn't hear Weir's guitar, vocals were up and down in the mix. Since I wrote that, others have responded to say they thought the audio was really good, so I guess it's a little subjective.

    Now, having heard the 3rd disc, I'd say the audio gets better in the second set, but it's still weird: the bass will suddenly get louder than everything else, or a vocal will, and then settle back to a more normal level.

    My theory is that this somehow has to do with the high winds that they were dealing with that day, and also maybe unfamiliarity with the WoS. Like maybe the wind would start blowing, and somebody couldn't hear something so they turned it up, and then the wind let up a little and they turned back down. Or something like that. Bottom line: I think the live audio is acceptable but not great.

    Now, do you need to buy this? Well, I'd say so. There are enough good songs on the studio album and the audio there is enough of an improvement to justify buying something you probably already have. I doubt if I will return very often to the Reno show, but it's still good to have. That's my take anyway, your results may vary.

  • JoeyMC
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    My two cents.I didn't buy…

    My two cents.
    I didn't buy WOTF 50th or Europe 72' 50th, I was on the fence about this one. I have never heard (read) really anything good about this show but at least it came with a complete show. I'm not really impressed and probably didn't need to own it. While I'm sure this is an improvement, I feel like we can definitely tell there is something going on there that impacts both the sound and the playing. It makes perfect sense to me that no one ever spoke highly of this show, but i guess it bridges a gap or is historically important?

  • Oroborous
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    Not the album…

    …the show.
    Listen closely to the piano whenever he turns up to solo…
    Give it a few songs…

  • DeadVikes
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    Hey OB,

    I have one listen to the Reno show in my car. I was withholding comment until I listened on the home system. However, I will say the sound quality seems a little up and down.

    What are your thoughts?

    Oh, and I now own my fourth copy of Mars Hotel.

  • daverock
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    It's a bit pricey!

    I keep meaning to buy it, but then opt for something else instead. I am sure it will get here eventually. It's not my favourite Dead album - but I have never heard it on cd, so I am interested to hear what this makeover sounds like.

  • Oroborous
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    Crickets?

    Hmmm, kinda wondering why not many comments on this release?
    Especially about the audio…

  • Oroborous
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    Off to the PO

    To pick up 5.0 🤞
    Once again UPS got er to D town muy rapidido only to have Dejoys angry lamesters not be bothered to scan it, so it could take four times as long to go a couple hundred miles within state.
    But hey, at least it’s here (supposedly) which is what really counts.
    I just feel it’s my patriotic duty to rail against the tyranny and corruption of incompetent dictators of any ilk lol 😝

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FROM THE MARS HOTEL (50TH ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION) features remastered audio by GRAMMY® Award-winning engineer David Glaser, with Plangent Processes tape restoration and speed correction. Produced for release by Grateful Dead Legacy Manager and Audio Archivist, David Lemieux, the DELUXE EDITION also includes demos of “China Doll” and “Wave That Flag” – the song that became “U.S. Blues” – as well as a previously unreleased live performance of the Grateful Dead at University of Nevada-Reno on 5/12/1974. As the band filled an outdoor football stadium with epic highs like huge “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” Mars Hotel cuts including “U.S. Blues” and classics such as “Brown-Eyed Women,” “Tennessee Jed,” “Mississippi Half-Step,” “Truckin',” “Sugar Magnolia,” a massive wind storm was no match for the Wall of Sound. Designed to improve the listening and performance experience at what were becoming larger gigs and longer, more dynamic and varied sets, the Wall of Sound required 21 stage hands, and underlined the resounding effect the Grateful Dead were having on American audiences and culture at the time, even as the entire operation remained homespun and humble. 

Recorded in San Francisco’s Coast Recorders studio, FROM THE MARS HOTEL finds Keith Godchaux particularly shining across a variety of keys, from the “China Doll” harpsichord to the pounding piano on Bob Weir’s “Money Money,” to the churchy organ that elevates “Ship Of Fools.” Lyricist Robert Hunter packs “U.S. Blues” with a barrage of imagery, pop-culture references and sardonic asides – as Canadian author Ray Robertson writes in the 50th Anniversary Edition’s liner notes, it “carries an undeniable whiff of late-capitalism ennui…it’s the most fun you’ll ever have dancing to the end of the American Empire.” Jerry Garcia’s jaunty lead guitar drives bouncing melodies across the LP, while guests include Ned Lagin’s unnerving synth effects on “Unbroken Chain,” Clover member John McFee’s country-rock pedal steel on “Pride Of Cucamonga,” and more.

Thanks for the summer 74 series recap, good reminder of a few shows to check out. Did not have a copy of FTMH here, so glad to have the remaster which sounds "lush". Yes, 5/12 is rough, especially first disc, uneven variable levels, indeed piano oversaturated, ouch, but they are going for it. The second disc decided improvement, some nice jamming. I wrote it off to historical interest, this was the first outdoor WoS show, correct? Worst ever,? Naw, seem to recall a couple DiP that were muddy and compressed. DaP9, two days later in Missoula also started out a bit rough though overall, better recording. Speaking of saturation, I get my first taste of live Phish next weekend in MA, Fallon elevator appetizer.

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They set the bar pretty high with the 50 Anniversary releases of Working Mans Dead and American Beauty. Hard to live up to those 71 Port Chester shows.

Still need to listen to the Reno show on the home system. Appreciate the insight OB, Crow and others.

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Ha, I knew someone would comment on “worst” comment.
Didn’t mean to cloud anyones fun, I’m just an old tech freak who finds it all fascinating etc, and sometimes ya know, ya gotta grease the rails a little ; )
We need more good conversation round here.

I don’t really know them well enough, and I haven’t heard many Dicks in fo ever…Hell, since I’ve been on my “quest” I hardly listen to released stuff at all.
Saving for after my quest when I can freak freely lol
Really, after first time virgin full sit down etc, I usually don’t listen that critically, normally. If the playing is hot, I just float with it. But you can’t undo training and when somethings weird, it’s hard to not hear it. Like if it’s decent or good, I don’t notice as much, but if somethings off, it sticks out like a sore thumb, if that makes sense? It can be a curse sometimes.

I love DaP 9, probably for that big scary DS!
Man, I’m on DaP 34 today, NOW that one’s sweet!
Hadn’t spun this one in awhile, Good Sheet Mon!

So, to clarify, my comments were about the audio/recording, not so much the show. Now, they all can’t be the best, and this one is looser than most 74, but it does have some moments to be sure, and you can tell their having fun!
I love in A&A when some are ready to return to the song, but the rest are like, nope, “we ain’t done yet” lol think it happens more than once! Rocking good fun fo sho!
Onward!
Great WE All!

Oh, almost forgot. DMCVT, guess lightning dies struck twice.
Hope y’all are ok and keeping dry! Alvar too, believe he’s up there now also?
Keeps on raining, the levee gonna break…

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Thanks Oro, no issues here (an inch of rain was all) Alvarhanso over Rutland way saw a little more, the big plume swath stayed north of central axis, Middlebury to Burl, through Stowe, Barre, Plainfield, up to Saint J, 5-6 inches of rain. Some major damage to roads and farm fields, sadly two fatalities. Dozens of households are without power still, lots of washouts, rivers hit flood stage but are heading down. Small scale compared to TX but we are a small state. People talking about the new normal, freaked that it was exactly one year ago to the day for last flood.

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On my second listen.
I originally had this show on cassette, then CD-R, then a torrent, then torrent upgrades. The current copy on my HD is 150221.sbd.miller.

This FTMH 50th bonus is the best sounding version I’ve had.
Glad for the upgrade.
Yes, there are audio anomalies as Oro pointed out, but the show still needed to be released and cutting it down to 2 discs was the right choice in this case.

Now Dave,
Time to announce the October ‘74 Box.

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These seem to be a feature of officially released 1974 shows - 5/19/74 comes to mind. I have never heard one where they detract from the whole though. Just a characteristic of the year - and it was a great year.
Having said that...I haven't heard 5/12/74 yet. Quietly confident, though

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My two cents has been discounted to ... a penny for my thoughts. Hey, half off!

The live show here starts off shaky in terms of sound and performance, but halfway through the first disc, the band tightens up and begins to play like they mean it. This is not necessarily a criticism. What many people don't recognize is that without a first set, there's no second set jam frenzy. And, in the first set, the boys (led by Jer, no doubt) learned to remain calm and go about the business of entertaining with first set songs. In this show, they just come across as a bit lethargic. But, they gather themselves and acquit the remainder of the set in fine energy and style, with Jer ripping away. Second set is tasty and no real issues beyond poor Bobby's garbled vocals to TOO.
Happy to have it. And the Mars Hotel LP sounded really good and I enjoyed a chance to revisit it.
Now, about that primal box of '66-'70 that will include the recently (or not so recently) uncovered '68 tapes..............

I am impressed - really good show to my ears. It has many of the eccentricities of the year, like they all do, but if you like the year, I would say this was nigh on essential. Which goes for all years, come to to think of it. Great piano from Keith, nice and audible. Jerry on form and a great Truckin'-Other One jam. Possibly less robust than the 1971 and 1978 shows competing for our coin - but probably more up in the clouds.

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Playing now.
Sounds better than any copy I ever had.

‘74 was a good year.
I’ll take all the shows from the year, Dave.

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