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  • jonathan918@GD
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    John Cutler SBD's

    I think the mix JC had with the boards from 94-95, to my ears, sound fantastic. It doesn't seem many are in circulation but the "true" boards that are have a very "clean" mix, IMHO. I really wish the great spring 1993 tour was recorded in this way, but alas they werent. Also, I thinnk the drums/space segment from shows really showcase the potentail of this particular recording process. Mickey and Billy were some real MVP's in those final two years of the band

    Just my 2 cents

    Rock on, gang!

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    DaP43 - 11.02.69 & 12.26.69

    Because it's way Way WAY better than engaging with anything else that might be available/ongoing this evening.

    GBtGOGD

  • proudfoot
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    D'oh!

    double post

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    in the car

    7/29/74 bonus disc

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    Look down angel

    "Tempest" by Bob Dylan. How come he has made so many great albums ? Most people I know haven't made any.

  • Oroborous
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    Hoping DHB🤞

    A lot to do today!
    3/17/95 currently
    3/18&19/95 Shlater…

    RE: Late era SBs…
    I’m guessing John Cutler wasn’t letting folks patch in direct for whatever reason. I would certainly assume they made recordings.
    I.e., Like the DATs used for the released DaPs…
    Yeah, Harry Popick, the longtime monitor guy (at big mix desk left of Phil) might have been eventually delegated to making recordings? That would make it less likely for direct feeds to tapers…I’m guessing he must have had a master mix for guests or himself (he can hear any of the mixes individually or any combination) since the individual musician mixes were custom, which often did not include all the other musicians and definitely would have had things in their mix at different levels so a feed like that would probably sound pretty goofy to a civilian? i.e., smidge of kick drum, low bass, loud vocals, yours a tad louder, JG, no Vinny…you can customize it any way you like.
    Now if someone had a comprehensive, balanced mix, THAT, could sound good, but in my experience, most musicians don’t want everything, or certain things up in their mix, if in it at all.
    BITD we didn’t have in ears, so you often would just put certain things in your floor monitor mix, since you’d still hear most of the instruments etc from their amps (and often the PA) I mostly had vocals, a little kick drum, and any acoustic instruments I couldn’t other wise hear. It gets easily cluttered up so you learn to use just what you really need. But they of course were on a whole different level utilizing dozens of channels all custom mixed to their preferences.
    Very interesting though? We’ll have to learn more about it.
    There definitely are monitor mixes on arch labeled as SBs, but you’d have to think they have better stuff than that in the vault.
    PLUS!, remember, this is the digital age now and folks were starting to bring in some serious digital gear by the end…so I can see the band not allowing direct hi res board feeds to such gear, which you could only really guarantee by not having any direct feeds. Pesky DH pranksters would find a way given the opportunity lol
    Berry interesting…

    Oh, yeah they had a talk feature so they could communicate verbally if need be, which since certain individuals didn’t have everyone in there mix could be helpful,., it was fun when occasionally that would accidentally get into the main PA mix and we’d hear it out front.

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    ...in phl
    aug 4th 1974

    keep smilin'

    PEACE for ALL!
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  • icecrmcnkd
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    Many/most that I’ve heard that are labeled ‘SBD’ are actually ear monitor.
    I read years ago that the ear monitors were run by a separate soundboard on side stage which is why you can hear the band members talk to each other.
    I don’t think that they sound as good as a true ‘SBD’.
    I suspect that the true SBD’s do exist, due to the ease at the time of just recording to a HD, and they are being withheld.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    2-27-69 vinyl

    Didn’t get to it on the anniversary so doing it now.

    12-inch Klipsch subwoofer makes Phil the star.

  • JimInMD
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    Late Era Shows and SBDS

    I wonder why that is? My guess is Latvala just wasn't passing those around but it's just a guess.

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Kiel Auditorium

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Just finished Hooteroll?, now started Side Trips - Garcia,Wales,Kahn,Vitt.

Roll away the dew

There is a glitch in the first few minutes of Franklin's

Itll be interesting to see how they patch that in the box set

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First time checking out the whoke shows from this run.
Of course I’ll need to fire up Go To Nassau later, haven’t heard that in too long!

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Mighty tasty

It has indeed been a long time since I heard GTN

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Love go to Nassau.

Man, we are due for some 1980 to be released. Will it ever happen again?

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Part of the soundtrack of my younger days with his 80s hits

"No one here gets out alive"

Indeed

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Family Dog

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Immediately makes me think of the first show “that got away”
Crotchfester 9/1/79. Greg Kihn and the Goodrats opened.

I was still only 16 so the rents were not gonna let me go “all the way to Rochester” (that’d have to wait a year) to do anything, let alone go with a bunch of known “drug addicts” lol But I did hear all about it from said DAs, including how the GoodRats gave out these little toy Rats (think Florida Panthers) as a promotion, which of course the unruly east coast Dead Heads, who had had enough warm up noise and wanted the Dead, began pelting the band with the Rats, literally forcing them off the stage!
“When you go down to deep Elem…the DH will put you on the rocks”
Now on one hand I’m sure it was hilarious, if you were there, but on the other hand kinda embarrassing. But that was unfortunately often the case when promoters picked poorly. As kind as DH mostly were, we weren’t always polite to openers. Another ugly one I recall was poor Joan Jet opening up for Bobby and the Midnights: booed her off…

Anyway, 4 winds Greg Khin

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5/16/80 of course!

Dammit PF, we went and checked out some GK tunes to refresh our old synapses, and now TOO and myself can’t get that GD ear crack from the Breakup song outta our heads ; ) lol

Why earcrack you say? Because its almost as addictive and damaging as crack!
Ok, Jerry’s 5/16 High Time might just erase it lol

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Waiting at Kidd Valley Burgers for my order

On the PA

Love Unlimited Orchestra
Love Theme

What a fantastic production

That wahwah pedal....

Feeling like a kid again

:)))

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...was wandering...

and all of a sudden; oh, yes 1974-05-25 UCSB outdoorstadium is where it's at

...like the wild geese in the west

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on a side note:
finished this weekend's reading assignment
"BEAR: The Life and Times of Augustus Owsley Stanley III"
highly recommended for even the casual HEAD,
and perhaps less of the embellishments than Mr. Scully's book

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You should follow that up with “Owsley and Me”

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8/19/80

a show that is truly release-worthy

44 years ago

wow

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Just played this Neil Young album. It and ‘Tonight’s the night’ alternate as my favourite NY studio album. Just to be tangentially political, I noticed the Democratic convention is in Chicago and it reminded me of someone I worked with many years ago. He flew into Chicago in 1968 to begin postdoctoral studies and was amazed/horrified to see so many heavily armed people about. Then he got to where he was staying and saw what was happening via the television. An interesting start to his time there.

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Jerry garcia's recording of Cigarettes and Coffee right now and more 90s JGB today, taking it easy.

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Again money out the window because of his whole-hearted, over-the-top recommendation of "BEAR: The Life and Times of Augustus Owsley Stanley III by Mr T, sorry meant uncle.

I'm an audio book man, so I got the audio book. Cost 15,000 bucks!! But apparently read by Owsley. Anyone know his voice and can verify when I get!

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Haven’t heard this sweetness in fo ev er!

It’s good Dennis…not sure it’s $15k good lol.

8/19/80: thanks for the tip PF. That show is on my current to do list, prolly in the next day or so. Look forward to it!

Good lord Colin, nothing like a good first impression!

Earcrack: got another dose today via some Macca hits.
Guys an Earcrack machine! Lol it started with TOO waking up with the outro to ‘Listen To What The Man Said’ the Wonder of it All part…out of nowhere, hasn’t heard it recently etc, bizarre, just woke up with that part loudly in her head?

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as always, I recommend you don't look at the set list ahead of time.

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9 19 90

Wow

Another great show

A second MSG box, please

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...get me day started with a little...you just gotta poke around...
1983-10-22 Carrier Dome Syracuse NY

...don't tell me this town ain't got no heart

Peace for All!
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9/8/90

Sorry teach about the poor spelling, I missed school that day…cause I was peakin ; )

Edit: hey Joey, what’d ya think of those Richfields?

Dbl Edit: Aaaaa, Carrier dome shows, good shows, fun trips, awesome fully stocked rented bus first two years, unfortunately a terrible venue…

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Previously enjoyed 8/16 via GOBC, so onto 8/17…

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Has anyone been to Hulaween in Live Oak, Florida?

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Yes PF, 8/19/80 is mos def a fine 1980 offering!
Not the best recording, not the worst, but a fun show and great set list, thank goodness, these 1980 sets are very repetitive so getting burnt and thus really enjoyed this show for that alone! Really dug the post drumz sequence especially that sweet CAT, and Phil on the jam after, Foe Git a bout it!
In fact, Phil’s been killing it a lot this tour…go figure ; )

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1972...1st time listen on the archive; it's #139581...Berkeley Community Theater...
with Mr. Bill Graham intro and a Dark Star,
so without further delay,
I'm OFF...

Peace for All!
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1977-06-04 Menke. Inglewood CA

Its good. :)

Edit: kind of like a one off show, even just looking at the setlist it seems like they really went all out for these people.

Great show - early on had Set II from a very fine audience source that seemed to have a bootleg lp 1st(?) generation in the lineage. Not sure what the original pull may be on the archive (been 15+ years since last listened to the cassette) but seemed to be from the balcony. Should a could a been at this run. Two friends chose better and experienced it. The night after (8/22) I think was Venetian Night - illuminated boats and much partying on the lake. Chris was raving about the run and I remember him recounting the beauty of that somewhat odd third night Set II. So the next day we were headed to Alpine for the first GD show at that unknown (to us) but eventually legendary venue in beautiful southern Wisconsin. My 4th show. Picked up our tics that morning at a small ticketmaster outlet in the northwest suburbs and away we went. Those were the days.

Right now listening to the Mason Taylor aud (131445), Set II - Rooster > China Cat Rider > I Know You Rider. I loved this sequence from the get go and right now it is every bit as crazy good as i remembered. An all time bluecrow favorite. Love that Bobby breaks out the return of Rooster for the Chicago audience. Excellent version. And a note perfect segue into a ripping China Cat > Rider. Those first notes of China Cat and the audience going crazy. Whole second set smokes - on the jam out of Estimated now. If the vault soundboard quality is there I would love to see this show released!!

edit - did not realize the Mason Taylor source is cut at Comes Time - gotta jump to another source.

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Chi CA go, Chi Ca go, so far so good, first set.
Perhaps a step back from the 19th?
Looks like I’ll have to switch to an Aud for part do…

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Hartford Civic Center