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  • bluecrow
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    So . . . .

    I just realized that tomorrow is the 50th of International Amphitheater 7-25-74 Chicago, IL.

    Proceed accordingly.

    Edit: glad folks here appreciate the story - thank you friends. It was yet another (very) strange occurrence in the desert here and not even the only one that was GOGD related.

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    The goodness continues…

    Edit: thanks BC! That’s an great tale and being aaaaa, “memory challenged” lol, it was nice to refresh. Yes indeed, wonder what else might be “lost” out there?

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    6-20-80 Gans-Miller.25469

    Sounds pretty good, has potential to sound even better after being polished up.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Grate story BC

    Wonder if there were other tapers who never released copies.

    Release the SBD Dave.

    Yes, I listened to the Dark Star>Slipknot theme twice.

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    Thanks BC

    For the taper story.
    Legendary indeed.
    Cheers

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    9/14/74 - Olympia Halle, Munich

    Oro on his ongoing trip through '74 had me revisit this overlooked show from Europe '74. (David Usborne matrix). Parts of the SBD are missing but don't be deterred, there's some great playing on this one!

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    7/25/74 tape story

    Obeah - here's an edited/slightly reworked version of what I posted on another forum years ago. I'd go for the GEMS SBD remaster (152924). Not as jammed out as some '74 but there is some really and truly, very fine, music here (sound of Oro's foot tapping.) The Dark Star jam is unlike any out there and I really really dig it.

    Ca. 1997/98 – I was living in a small desert town. First worked here summer of ’95 and it was here that I first learned of Jerry’s passing (and still here 25+ years later). Jim, a long time resident (moved away years ago) and fellow Deadhead (saw Vegas Ice Palace ’69 I think) mentioned that a friend had come through town and left a list of tapes he had to trade/share. The friend was a river runner out of Flagstaff, would be back through town in a week or so. Jim invited me to take a look at the list and see if there was anything I wanted. It was a short list – all that I remember at this point is that it had the International Amphitheatre show, 7/25/74, complete show, an audience rated at C-. The show was unknown to me and, as a favorite year and a Chicago boy at heart (born and raised north suburbs), I asked for that one.

    One night a little while later the river runner friend came back through town. I remember standing outside in the summer dark talking to him for maybe 10-20 minutes, he only stopped to drop off tapes. It turned out that he had taped the show himself and it was the only show he ever taped. A cheap deck with the microphones hanging over the balcony railing (IIRC). He had talked to Phil outside the back door before the show and Phil had big time dosed him. Said that Phil sat on a stool for part of the show. He got all wide-eyed with nostalgic awe when he recalled the Ship of Fools encore – clearly the song had been a major religious experience. I think he handed me his masters to make a copy (or maybe he just dropped off a copy?), saying he would pick them up from our mutual friend on the way back through town. Don’t recall his name and never saw him again.

    Listening to the tapes you felt like you were way in the back of a cavernous space. To me, C- was possibly a generous grade, but with a pair of cheap headphones (all my gear was cheap at the time) - listening in the dark in the middle of the high desert night - you could be there, and for a poor boy in the backwoods of tapes it was a cool listen. I dubbed a couple of copies and sent one to Jeff, a close friend, who was back in the Chicago area – at the time he was managing Dr. Wax (a chain of several used record/CD stores/Jeff also founded and ran a niche record label Quinnah Records) A little while later Jeff calls me, all excited. “Where did you get this?? This is the only known recording of this show currently in circulation!!!” Circulation was a relative term in this case. Turns out Jeff had reached out/was in contact with the gentlemen who were putting together the first Tapers Compendium and, connected as they were, they knew of no other recordings of this show. The Compendium folks wanted him to review the tapes/show for the Compendium, but in the end it was too late because the book had just gone into galley(?) and it was too much trouble to revise it. This is the only ’74 show not reviewed/completely missing from the first edition Tapers Compendium Vol I.

    A bunch of high-end traders contacted Jeff requesting copies. When Jeff asked one what his opinion of the tapes were, the gentleman replied that it was pretty rough and that basically it was for completists only, but of course it had a heretofore uncirculated Dark Star with a Slipknot tease, which was everything you needed to know right there. This may have been at the time the only uncirculated Dark Star post-1970. Another commented that he thought he knew the person who might have the soundboard reels (or copies of them) but that they were holding them close. The SBD recording finally entered public circulation a few years later and Dave Lemieux (I raise a toast, or two or three, or more, in his honor) has featured portions of this show a time or three, I think, in the Jam of the Week and/or the Tapers Section/and 30 days of the Dead. So the masters are in the vault. The audience has never been uploaded to the archive.

    It makes me smile that this show first resurfaced from the depths of time (relatively speaking) in this dusty, high desert, town.

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    1972 was some great concerts in some out-of-the way places

  • Oroborous
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    Rise and shine lil Pedro
    Bfast in bed wiff the GD

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    RIP Jerry Miller of Moby Grape

    Passed in Tacoma at 81

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On estimated, so far so good…

Yeah BC that stretch you mention on the 16 is definitely top shelf and show highlights!
Roses for lunch? Like as in vodka gimlets…

1stshow: yeah that one’s extra funny considering the whole damn world always had/has to wait on ADD Bobby to tinker on every song lol

Daverock: some of us don’t have anything else to do, for good or for ill…

Philadelphia Civic Center [2nd Set]

You are correct JoeyMC. I'm currently reformatting my entire collection by shows instead of individual releases. You gotta listen to them while you're doing that. Lol

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Nazareth Hair of the Dog on that toob

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The way I store my shows, in folders with the date.
Whether it’s DP, DaP, RT, FTV, VFTV, DS, or a Box is irrelevant.

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Chick Evans Field House

That's the way I'm doing mine Cone Kid. With an image of the venue as a thumbnail for each show.

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Met old friends and made some new ones, superb grease bucket show last night in Deerfield at a relatively new outdoor venue, where they also happen to make a lot of beer, very well organized, lots of room, excellent sound. First set was the entire Cal Expo show from 11/21/69, second set more of the same with longer jams, Thats It For the Other One, St. Stephen, a fantastic Alligator, encore JA's Volunteers. This their final show of summer tour before a couple weeks off. Packed with primal and Workingmans Pig treats, heaven.

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...1970-05-02 harpur college ELECTRIC set...THE OTHER ONE...such a FANTASTIC wake-up call!
As Bart Simpson says, "Good Morning World"
and I really did need a kick-start this AM!!!

...his mind remained unbended...

Peace for All!
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1STSHOW - agreed, a '78 Bear recording treat
DAVEROCK - - zipping along with headphones allows me to alleviate the mundaneness of the everyday chores whether indoors or outdoors, keep on rockin'

Uncle Tripel - sounds like a good plan ! I tend to wait until the day is done before I put The Dead on - although I did listen to the first cd of Veneta 8/27/72 while I was frigging about this morning. But I'll play the best bits later on, when I'm in a state of semi collapse on the sofa.

Needless to say 5/2/70 is incredible - however, whatever or whenever you listen to it.

Interesting. I used to love to save a good listen for nighttime, or at least later in the day when it was time to pa teh…if I did that now I’d fall asleep before the first set was over! Something about light versus dark?
BITD the idea of loud in the AM was unthinkable, but now as soon as I get home from my AM walk, the jute box gets fired up.
I’m not big on cans etc, so I just turn it up enough that I can hear it everywhere lol. Plus, I have four zones: Main stereo, Living/Kitchen, garage, and Theatre.
Keep meaning to get a speaker in 2 baths, but I’m getting old and lazy lol.
So if TOO is home, I can usually find a zone where it won’t bother her too much, or, I can fire em all up!
I’m with uncle T, nothing makes the routine manageable like strong coffee, a big bong rip, and a good Dead show!
BUT!
New releases always get a proper virginal sit down on the “stereo”, early, with coffee and before the weed takes over lol
BUT!!!
Doesn’t matter what you wear, just as long as you are there ; )
Onward!

Edit: when I was working I’d most often be in some huge empty mansion with many zones all over, so I’d just fire up a show and hear it everywhere!
Bit awkward when on occasion some super weird end of the world space, Dark Star, TOO etc be blastin and a property manager would show up unexpectedly lol.

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Harpur College

Guess I'll join y'all with this show. I had it on my soon to play list anyway.

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Ok twist my arm, but not hard lol
Hey, these floors aren’t gonna clean themselves ; )

Edit: just finished the fine MSG 90 run, Berry interesting.
Lots of cool jams, and JG is obviously digging Bruce etc, so the energy is big!
Perhaps a bit much from so many folks trying to go hard?
Only criticisms: personally sometimes don’t like so many folks as it gets a bit sonically crowded, think they dialed that in eventually, and hey, under the circumstances it’s understandable here.
Didn’t always like the mix, especially Vince OCCASIONALLY too loud, but you’d think that’s not his fault…I.e., Dicks from the 16…?

TN John, noticed you were at these fine shows, would love to hear your thoughts and/or any good stories! Do you have a fave?

And PF, thoughts/Fav?

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I simply love the entire run

Things that stay in my memory from my recent listenings are

9 14 The Weight to open 2nd set

9 16 Hes Gone > end of show
9 18 second set
9 19
9 20 Drums > end of show

Its hard to believe they could play so well after losing Brent 46 days earlier, as I went on about a while back

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Some decent stuff
It was a rainy day

Rain
Saint of Circumstance
ATTICS OF MY LIFE

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Hartford Civic Center

Oroborous,
I'll try to remember to sit down and type some notes on that '90 MSG run next week when I'm on vacation.

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...thanks for the nudge...1978-05-10 new haven diP #25 lookin' for
that BIG smile today,
got the car for the day, after I drop my better half off at work...
play dead,
play dead LOUD!

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Springfield, MA
DiP 25 second show.
Can't just leave it hanging.
And it has a Werewolves.
Cheers
A little more laid back 1st set than 5-10.

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That's a great film of a Dead show - for me the best one out there. "China Cat-Rider" is the highlight of the film - although I have read that some find it a bit sexist.... with the camera lingering on naked women instead of the band. It doesn't come across that way to me - but then I ain't a woman.
"Playing", "Bird Song" and "Dark Star" are also among the best versions ever, I would say. I still don't like the way Dark Star goes into El Paso, though.

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Especially since you can hear Jerry flirting with the opening chords for Morning Dew just before Bobby takes the reigns and steers the ship towards the West Texas town of El Paso.

But hey.. if every Dark Star melted into a gorgeous Morning Dew, they wouldn't be so special. I'll take what we have and am a bit thankful it wasn't me making the calls. They clearly did a better job than I ever could.

Happy Labor Day to those in the US.. for those abroad there's no harm in giving thanks and taking a breather for all those who move the world and make it shake. From another angle this marks the end of summer, the days are getting shorter and fall is coming. Darkness falls and seasons change....

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I notice they made the same transition a few days earlier, on the 21st at Berkeley. Maybe it worked really well then, and Bob Weir had decided in advance that they would do the same thing on 27th. It looks a bit pre-meditated. For me it's the only false note of the whole show - but for others it might be a stroke of genius.

I might check out that Berkeley show later on. Worse things to do on a Friday night.

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8/21/72: Very clearly Jerry starts Morning Dew, but others indicate other ideas
8/27/72: Jerry tries again for Morning Dew, but El Paso it is

As I think deep thoughts about this, if they HAD done MD on 8/27, we might not have gotten the glorious Sing Me Back Home

Whatevs, I suppose. It was one afternoon (and evening) _long ago_, after all

I have the house to myself this weekend, so if you hear GD playing from afar, that's me.

happy happy joy joy

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Yes indeedy, I was surprised to hear Jerry leading the band towards Morning Dew towards the end of Dark Star only to be cut across by the rest of the band - led by Phil, I think - before Bob enters with El Paso. This sounded a bit more natural - but I was listening to just the music on this occasion. With 8/27/72 I was watching them play it in "Sunshine Daydream." When I am watching a film of a band play I am much less inclined to get carried away in spacier sections, as I find myself looking at what they are doing instead of just listening. "Oh..he's playing at the 12th fret" - "Oh she looks nice"....that kind of thing. When I am just listening I get catapulted into space.

This Dark Star is one wild and fascinating ride. It seemed wilder to me than 8/27 - going way out there. And that jazz type jam led by Keith towards the end is good.
I notice on the 8/24 Dark Star does go into Morning Dew. These shows would make a good release -although I am just listening to second set jams. Not a popular thought, but maybe they could release a comp of the jams - including both Dark Stars - without releasing the whole shows.

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Truly worth a listen

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9 26 91

Potent stuff

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4/17/84 eaton.miller aud, in between shows in the Winterland June 1977 box set.

I really like that 5/20/73. That might be my favorite from that box. It sounds like SoCal would...I think

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Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn

Very nice

3 hours later...
mo' Pink Floyd BBC 1971

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9 25 91

From when that was first released until today, I was unreceptive to it and negatively snooty about it.

I am listening to my Dickus Pickus of it and am absolutely floored in joyful awe. Great stuff.

Edit: now listening to disc 3
Glorious
Then...
Throwing Stones bubbles up....ugh.

Oh Bobby, why?!?

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‘No Name’ - Jack White. Remarkably good on first listen. Hopefully it will survive the test of time.

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Maybe they were distracted by naked pole guy.

6-26-73 in the car today.
Other One->Bobby McGee->Other One.
Should have put the BMG in a different time slot.
Why ruin a perfectly good O1.

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One that does work for me is when they slotted Me and My Uncle in the middle of The Other One in 1971. 8/6/71 is a great example - there tucked away on cd4 on Dicks Picks 35.

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So it’s 1980 and I’m at Gainesville for my 362nd show, but last minute parking lot buy leaves me in the nose bleed seats. I wander down for a beer and meets a guy at the concession stand.

Guy says he has an extra ticket for the 3rd row and to follow him down.

Down we go and sure enough, 3rd row center!!!

I’m blown away (tripping balls at this point), but ask, “Don’t you need this seat?”

Guy says, “No,,, that’s my wife’s seat and she died.”

Great just what I don’t need to hear in my state, but ask “no friend or relative you could have asked?”

He says, “no they’re all at the funeral”

No.

My wife told me that joke the other day. Best joke she ever told me. She read it with a real feel for humor.

Generally, her funniest joke has been marrying me! (she's paying for that joke now!)

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Never trust a Dennis, uh, I mean, a prankster

Mrs. Grumpkins would not be amused by the scenario

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I’m reminded of the, probably apocryphal, tale of a well known British birder who left his wedding reception when he heard news of a rare bird that had turned up. Needless to say the marriage didn’t last.

Currently listening to ‘Dresden’ by The Jan Garbarek Group. Takes me back to when we saw him with Eberhard Weber and Nana Vasconcelos at The Bluecoat Chambers in Liverpool.

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Amazing

Ah may zing

Amazing

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9 7 90

Remarkably strong

PITB is on fire

The greatest band of all time

"The greatest band, Jerry! The greatest!"

Edit: the encore...

:_(((

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Anyone here attend 10/27/91?

Two days after Bill Graham's death....wow.