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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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November 12, 2021 - 9:15am

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Oroborous

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Downmix

Just like any multitrack album or recording.
The studio engineer mixes, adjusts etc, the individual channels to get the right blend/levels between all the different channels (instruments, vocals, effects etc) and routes, pans or positions those individual channels in a stereo mix. Like JG coming more out of the right speaker and Bob outta the left for example. These signals are then routed to the final main stereo output of the mixing board, where the main output levels are set and recorded on a stereo or 2 channel device: tape, HD etc.
The studio mix is where individual eq adjustments, effects etc are done.

This final mix is then sent to the Mastering engineer who sweetens the overall sound or sometimes adjusts the overall eq so it will sound best on the physical product. LPs usually have specific eq curves applied to compensate and maximize sound for that format. If the studio mix was done very well, the mastering can be relatively simple, but often there is much more happening in mastering than people realize. All of this is truly art.
November 12, 2021 - 7:33am

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DeadVikes

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3/19/90

I do really like #40. Two great shows.
It was interesting to then go back to 3/19/90. Wow! This is a fantastic show. Great first set and love that second set with the Box of Rain, Foolish Heart, Playing into Eyes. Nice finish and you get a Brokedown Palace encore.
So, this show and the rest of the first box used the Cutler two track down mixes from the 24 track recordings. I think these were also used in Dozin at the Knick as well. They sound great to me. The sound is so full. I would like to know how this down mixes work? Does anyone know? They are definitely a different beast.

Okay,on to 82.
November 11, 2021 - 4:17pm

#2983

icecrmcnkd

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Alpine Desolation

It’s the extra emphasis that Jerry throws in on the vocals, on top of an already well played song.

Alpine ‘89 CD/BluRay Box time Dave.
November 11, 2021 - 2:18pm

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JimInMD

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Desolation Row

The '89 Alpine version is the pillar that all the others rest upon. It's flawless.
November 11, 2021 - 8:58am

#2985

DeadVikes

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4/12/82

Perfect, I will hit this one up tomorrow. Thanks for the pick Jim.
Yes, #40 is great. Best Desolation Row?? I don't know. I always thought the 89 Alpine version was pretty damn good as well.
Yes, back to reality here in MN as well OB, snow moving in tomorrow.
November 11, 2021 - 8:16am

#2986

Oroborous

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Aces back to back

You go DV!
Glad y’all digging 40!
Harshferd and 4/12/82 sound good. I’ll try and mix those in with the big Doc fest this WE!

Buurrrrrrrr, 23 this AM, no bueno!
It’s funny how your feelings on winter are influenced by whether you go up the mountain or not.
When I still did, it couldn’t snow enough, now…not so much lol.
November 11, 2021 - 6:50am

#2987

JimInMD

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Re: Hartford

Yes, I am still here.. Hartford sounds good and I have just finished a full decent listen of Dave's Picks 40 so there is some synergy there.

I really enjoyed Deer Creek. Very good sound for a two track, the credits Healy as the person who recorded it, but it's a big step up from the Ultra Matrix days. Most are siding on the second night being a stronger, more even performance. I guess I agree with this, the second set is very strong. I like the powerhouse opening for The Other One too.. Phil just thunders it almost from out of nowhere, then into a calming end of the world crescendo in Morning Dew. Perhaps I will comment on the 40 thread but the first night speaks to me.

Moving right along, there is another show that caught my attention last week that I want to hit. It's a new one for me. 1982-04-12 Nassau Coliseum. Not sure why this caught my eye, but I think it's worth hitting. After Hartford?

Then I do want to hit a few released shows that are both spectacular and have fallen out of my rotation. There are so many of these.. and I like to take care of my orphaned stepchildren.

I hope all are doing well in this mad, mad world we live in. I am very grateful for the escape and entertainment mechanism that is music, more specifically Grateful Dead music.

Be good all. Play Dead.
November 11, 2021 - 6:06am

#2988

DeadVikes

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Time for a Pick?

Thought it would be fun to check out 3/19/90 Hartford. How does it stack up against our new #40? I think the last two years Dave is really releasing nostalgia picks, which is okay. He is the Captain. So, how about some 1988? At long last release the 89 Alpine shows.
It will be interesting to see what he does for #42. Will he continue the pattern of a 74/73/69/70 shows? Will he break the mold and completely surprise us with a 79 or 80 release?
I don't know, I don't think it will be 73/74.

I received an Email from Dave, I think yesterday. Did you guys get it?

Are you still out there Jim?
November 9, 2021 - 6:49am

#2989

Oroborous

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Ship of fools

Glad you received 40 DV, play it loud and proud brother!
Yep, looking forward to the RT this WE.
November 8, 2021 - 6:52pm

#2990

DeadVikes

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71

Hey OB, 11/15/71 or RT3. 2 is a five star show. The sound quality on this release is one of the best 71 shows I have heard. I will definitely put this one on the list this week. The bonus disc form 11/14 is also great.

Just got my #40 and still working my way through it. Loving it so far.

You can tell who is the captain of this ship.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

68 and Loud

I completely agree.

On occasion and if I'm not careful volume gets the best of me. One day I might live to regret this. Thankfully, that day was not today.

A new one for me. Some sound weirdness especially in and around banter, but what the hey.

I don't know what it is, but I have soft spot for The Eleven, Born Cross-Eyed and especially New Potatoe Caboose. Good show with some vintage grease to end the night with me feeling a little dirtier than I did when I woke up.

If there's no pick for tomorrow, I suggest the next in line. It's a partial, starts with a rare Clementine. 1/20/68 Euraka Municipal Auditorium. I think we should set up a go fund me to find all the missing reels, there's a couple missing from this show. It would be something for them to be found.

4/30/88 at the Frost

Hey Jim, I know you have had a lot on you plate this year. Thanks for checking this one out. Yes, the recording is decent, not great. Like a lot of 88 recordings out there. Still think they have some good ones in the Vault.

I liked the show, anytime I see a Hey Pocky Way, I am in. Nice Shakedown to open the second set. Love the triple Encore with China Rider OMSN.

It is good to get out of the comfort zone once in a while Doc.

Carousel Ballroom 68, okay Jim, Ok will have to que it up this morning.

Enjoy the weekend out there.

Edit. Oh and after the carousel ballroom I will be moving on the 12/9/79, Dave's Picks #47. Love this one and I need some 79. If I had the keys, I would be putting out a big 79 Box.

Lewiston, for your consideration

44 years ago today, there when Roy Buchanan along with Levon and His All Stars opened for the Dead. My last in person show, on the bus since their first album, however things had changed so much.... Doc was there, a wild late summer scene, part of my farewell to Maine.

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-timefavorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solide offical release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-time favorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solid official release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

9/6/80

Hey DMCVT,

Love this show and will get it going again this weekend.

And yes, it would make a great releasen.

Pretty sweet you and Doc were there.

9/6/80 Lewiston

I'm in - hopefully sometime this weekend I can transport my mind and spirit into late summer beautiful day/evening Maine. Sounds like a dream show and setting. Very cool that a couple of you guys got to be there. Didn't realize this was the last show before the Warfield run. Long and heartfelt write up on grateful seconds (he was there). Comment at the end from a guy who was 8 at the time and lived a "bike trail" away from the fairgrounds. Listened to part of the show from his clubhouse. Rode his bike over and snuck in. Totally dug the Drums. Made major bank (for a kid) collecting cans and bottles for deposit afterwards (which is exactly what 8 yr old me would have done.) Think I might travel John Deere with the Jim Wise FOB.

Been Gone

But back this week. I can do Lewiston again.

As I recall there is not a good soundboard that circulates, right? And the one that does is first set only and it sure does sound like an audience (or ultramatrix on steroids at least).

High energy though.. like Gainesville, there must have been something in the water.

You have to wonder if this was recorded and if so where the hell are the master tapes? I think someone (Parrish??) tossed out the language that some of the master reels were left on the seat and when the truck pulled away they must have flown out the window or something.

I'd love to see more reels (and cassettes) returned.

Anyway, Lewiston Me for me tomorrow.

Edit: Started tonight - why not? Gave up on the "soundboard" and settled on the Jim Wise same as Bluecrow. Good news, Bluecrow.. The John Deere Broke down and was sitting in the yard for the last half of the week. I got it working today. Had to replace the solenoid. Damned electronics are always interfering with time travel. Just imagine if this broke back in time before Jebediah Solenoid created the first working model for riding mowers.. we would have been screwed.. I mean, nothing wrong with being stuck in 1980 but why not go back another 10 to 15 years...

High energy is right. Pretty good audience.

Follow-Up

While I was in the neighborhood, I took a quickie with 11/28/80 Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL (30 Trips).

I figured why not.. most enjoyable, especially To Lay Me Down. Not sure why I like that song so much, but I do.

More 1980

Ah, yes, more 1980. You don't have to twist my arm. A shorter show for the time period, but still really good. Will get it going after I finish up Dicks #36, which was mentioned on some other threads. Such a great show, but apparently didn't sell well at the time. No idea why.

My Favorite Non-Multi-Track 1980 Release

Random Musing - 1980

My favorite non-multi-track 1980 release has got to be Dave's # 8, 11/30/80 Fox Theater. Love how that Matrix worked out. If anyone remembers the seaside chat, he was spot on.

Crowd noise was not as big an issue in 1980 as they could play in some pretty intimate venues. Also, as the age of the cassette master replaced the lovely Ms. Cantor Jackson, a lot of those early soundboards are a bit sterile sounding without the crystalline highs and the booming lows. Blending those early 80's soundboards with one of those near perfect audience masters works. When they aged out of the smaller, cooler venues (thinking after Jerry's coma and In The Dark) audience tapes had to compete with hundreds of the guy next to you screaming "JERRY!!" at 95 decibels, this was no longer possible.

That SBD/Dr. Bob matrix is almost exactly perfect (or as good we are going to get for the time).

On the opposite side of the same coin, I think some of the Ultra Matrix's have a bit too much of the guy yelling JERRY! then I sometimes want to hear. Thinking a lot of 87 suffers from this, and by then the audience tapes were no better.

Anyway, if Mr. Norman can pull of similar wizardry I wish they would do more like DaP#8.