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    Potent stuff

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    Truly worth a listen

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    Yes indeedy, I was surprised to hear Jerry leading the band towards Morning Dew towards the end of Dark Star only to be cut across by the rest of the band - led by Phil, I think - before Bob enters with El Paso. This sounded a bit more natural - but I was listening to just the music on this occasion. With 8/27/72 I was watching them play it in "Sunshine Daydream." When I am watching a film of a band play I am much less inclined to get carried away in spacier sections, as I find myself looking at what they are doing instead of just listening. "Oh..he's playing at the 12th fret" - "Oh she looks nice"....that kind of thing. When I am just listening I get catapulted into space.

    This Dark Star is one wild and fascinating ride. It seemed wilder to me than 8/27 - going way out there. And that jazz type jam led by Keith towards the end is good.
    I notice on the 8/24 Dark Star does go into Morning Dew. These shows would make a good release -although I am just listening to second set jams. Not a popular thought, but maybe they could release a comp of the jams - including both Dark Stars - without releasing the whole shows.

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    Strong for GD94

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    Dark Star > El Paso

    8/21/72: Very clearly Jerry starts Morning Dew, but others indicate other ideas
    8/27/72: Jerry tries again for Morning Dew, but El Paso it is

    As I think deep thoughts about this, if they HAD done MD on 8/27, we might not have gotten the glorious Sing Me Back Home

    Whatevs, I suppose. It was one afternoon (and evening) _long ago_, after all

    I have the house to myself this weekend, so if you hear GD playing from afar, that's me.

    happy happy joy joy

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    Campus Stadium, UCSB

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    Dark Star - El Paso

    I notice they made the same transition a few days earlier, on the 21st at Berkeley. Maybe it worked really well then, and Bob Weir had decided in advance that they would do the same thing on 27th. It looks a bit pre-meditated. For me it's the only false note of the whole show - but for others it might be a stroke of genius.

    I might check out that Berkeley show later on. Worse things to do on a Friday night.

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    Dark Star > El Paso

    Especially since you can hear Jerry flirting with the opening chords for Morning Dew just before Bobby takes the reigns and steers the ship towards the West Texas town of El Paso.

    But hey.. if every Dark Star melted into a gorgeous Morning Dew, they wouldn't be so special. I'll take what we have and am a bit thankful it wasn't me making the calls. They clearly did a better job than I ever could.

    Happy Labor Day to those in the US.. for those abroad there's no harm in giving thanks and taking a breather for all those who move the world and make it shake. From another angle this marks the end of summer, the days are getting shorter and fall is coming. Darkness falls and seasons change....

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    Sunshine Daydream

    That's a great film of a Dead show - for me the best one out there. "China Cat-Rider" is the highlight of the film - although I have read that some find it a bit sexist.... with the camera lingering on naked women instead of the band. It doesn't come across that way to me - but then I ain't a woman.
    "Playing", "Bird Song" and "Dark Star" are also among the best versions ever, I would say. I still don't like the way Dark Star goes into El Paso, though.

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    Springfield, MA
    DiP 25 second show.
    Can't just leave it hanging.
    And it has a Werewolves.
    Cheers
    A little more laid back 1st set than 5-10.

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TN John - very cool! (a bc bday show not that I was there.) my FOTDs box set is crossing the Great Basin right now (i think) based on tracking. Hopefully by Tuesday next week.

6/14/94 - iwt and got here listening today via a circuitous route of JOTM (from 3/11/93 Rosemont) drive home last night which has a late period Masterpiece and this morning (gestures wildly) somehow saw the set list here and thinking "wow" I saw a Masterpiece in 94. And from there Set I etc. Very unusual set list Set II and a really fun and fine well played show. Posting now because Set II leads off with 45 second structured drumz intro to Victim and it caught my ears as something I had "never" heard (despite being there!) Victim into Lazy River Road. And then the second Samba In The Rain, which I will unabashedly say sounded great that night, totally new to me, and strong cool memory of Phil/Bob/Jerry/Vince singing the chorus and it rocked. Samba > Trucking > and a super chill That Would Be Something into drumz. Those late era shows in Seattle Memorial Coliseum kicked it.

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Sounds grate on my new speakers and subwoofer.

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Whadja get?
And what is powering them?
Cheers

Starting the box today.

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At the risk of joining said society, I like the points you made, Daverock. I'm thinking of some live Quicksilver I had on cassette - absolutely ferocious playing, but the recording was not up to modern standards. Eminently listenable, though, and it broadened my mind to what that group was capable of. Or that Pink Floyd stuff from early '72, some early Doors stuff... that early '67 Thirteenth Floor Elevators concert (I think it later got released properly)...

So those Sept 1970 Fillmore recordings, what exists of them, should absolutely be made available to the public after Dr. Norman takes his best shot. "What's to lose / We're NOT confused/ You can call this set / The Fillmore East blues."

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RP-500M II speakers
R-120SW subwoofer
12 gauge 99.9% copper speaker wire

Powered by a Cambridge Audio AXR100 receiver.

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Live At The Roxy (Hollywood - 5/26/76)

Been thinking for a long while that I need to upgrade my system in certain key points. Slowly making my way to that move. Thanks for sharing ConeKid.

The model I got is over 50% off because it has been replaced with a newer model.
12-inch sub is spectacular.
I highly recommend it as does Vguy.
Grab one while you can.

The speakers were also on sale. They are really nice. I would also recommend them, and they’re still on sale.

Nice at the time

Will listen again someday

I was so glad they were in Seattle (first time since 1983)...Tacoma 88 kinda counts....

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8 18 89

Then 8 19 89
Warlocks 89
3 10 81
10 30 73
Europe 90

With April 78 sprinkled here and there

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9/18/87 MSG

Before that was 5/2/70 and

February 13 &14, 1970 that I now have in my collection thanks to a kind and generous person! :)

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The bonus disc that came out with After Midnight - JGB at Kean College 2/28/80.

Kick ass little disc, 4 songs from next night 2/29 (a leap year!) and 1 from 3/1. I got to thinking how "freaking good" this sounded compared to, say, some 1980 GD sbds and on an old Steve Hoffman forum thread heralding and dedicated to the After Midnight release it mentions that Kean is from 24 track tapes(!!) and I'm like what the heck is going on that a JGB show at Kean is being recorded with a 24 track rig?? And yes I'm very thankful that it was so beautifully recorded. The After Midnight > Eleanor Rigby > After MIdnight from Kean enters a musical space that is crazy beautiful and otherworldly and that pretty much has me with tears in my eyes every time.

They are a strange beast in a way. When I started going to concerts, back in 1972, the music was only part of the experience of going. All sorts of things happen when you go to a live gig - especially when you are young. Live recordings omit all that other stuff, and all you get is the music played, presented in isolation. I wonder if this is partly why late period Dead shows are popular - if you were there you can fill in the gaps. If you weren't, they might not sound as special because they lack that "x" factor of experience.

As opposed to 2/13/70, 2/14/70 and 5/2/70 - some of the best live shows of all time. You don't need to have been there to enjoy those recordings - you just need a pulse.

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Do we like 2/28 or 3/1 better?

For some of the later GD shows, you can feel the energy of the room and those are the ones I like.
Maybe its just Healy's recordings but not always...

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...you will find me on a marathon listening party
of the HC Sunshine Box...
beginning at Des Moines State Fairgrounds
May 13th 1973 :)

everyone have a GRATE week!

Peace for All!
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That lil' 5-song disc is indeed lovely! Just a fun bonus to have in the collection.

Live Recordings do have all of that extra "metadata" if you were in attendance. I can picture the Dragon dance/parades from Lunar New Year shows; the costumes at Halloween; the shimmering desert air in Las Vegas; the central lot at Shoreline back when you could arrive early and get your vehicle in there; and so on.

My younger brother is just old enough to have seen a few Grateful Dead shows, but he doesn't like collecting shows and he really won't listen to live GD *unless* there's a video. He wants to see the musicians and the crowd and the venue. He was the person who first turned me on to Christopher Hazard's channel because that's his jam.

In a way, listening to the Dead-live recordings-is something of a disembodied experience for me. I don't relate the shows to physical events that actually existed - which may be strange as Phil once said in interview, around the time of going to Egypt, that place was important in influencing the show. Apart from the shows caught on video, every show I listen to takes place at the same place, which is my living room. With one attender.

One of the best listening experiences was during my one and only trip to America during the summer of 1990. We were on a "fly drive" holiday exploring the West Coast of America. I only took one tape - 9/28/72 - and it was great listening while driving (( being driven to be exact - I couldn't drive then) through all that amazing countryside. The music really did seem to reflect the country - not the people living in it at that time, but the actual landscape.
I can also remember listening to "Playing in the Band " from this show as we drove over the Golden Gate Bridge.

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...started with
May 20 1973
at UC Santa Barbara stadium

really enjoying garcia's
1st set guitar work vs. yesterday
at Des Moines State Fairgrounds

Peace for All!
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I like to remind myself of the date, year, and venue. Hear the room and picture it in my head while I listen. I only saw the Grateful Dead in the 90s towards the end.

I avoid videos though, too "restrictive" maybe...