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  • Crow Told Me
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    Holy guacamole. Why did I not get this when it first came out? Kind of late to the party here, but sheesh, the Who's Next/Life House box is pretty darned incredibly awesome.

    Maybe I hesitated because, like everybody else who was alive in 1971, I've heard Who's Next about 789 billion times and figured maybe I didn't need yet another copy. Truth be told, the current remix doesn't add much.

    BUT the demos and outtakes are outstanding (for once). Early versions of Teenage Wasteland and some others from Who's Next are like entirely different songs. But still good! And in good sound.

    And then Life House. Some of the songs intended for the ill fated "opera" are better than songs that eventually made it to Who's Next. Which is saying something, because that album is pretty solid start to finish. Plus you get some singles from that period (The Seeker, Join Together) that I loved at the time. Plus two complete gigs. From a period where the Who were just ripping it up on state night after night. Plus not one but two coffee table books.

    This is what's commonly called some really good shit.

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    Hi all. I know this isn't the correct forum topic for this - but when I searched, I found that no one had posted in the "30 Trips Box Set and Digital" thread since 2017. Not sure if it's good form here at dead dot net to necro a thread, so...

    I'm wondering if anyone has framed or found a more economical way to display the scroll from the 30 Trips box set? Asking bc I just picked up a second such scroll for the specific purpose of doing this. I want to show it to the data science and graphic visualization students at the high school where I work. But I didn't realize how LONG this thing is! Looks like I'd have to order a custom frame.

    I know I could just reproduce it on the large-format color printer that we have... but I sorta want to show off the genuine article, not just for the edification of the students, but also for my own satisfaction! However, at first blush it's not going to be much cheaper to place it between two custom-cut pieces of acrylic (my first "low cost" idea) as it would be to bite the bullet and order a custom frame. So did anyone else go down this road/have any suggestions? Thank you all in advance, and sorry to hijack the thread.

    More on target: I am listening to "Pig's Boogie" from the 12/31/75 JGB show as I type this.

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    That’s the way it’s been in town, ever since they tore the juke box down…

    What kinda ahole would purposely FU something as benevolent as the archive!

  • 1stshow70878
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    How's that Truckin' Uncle?
    In the running for GOAT according to some.
    Not the best Werewolves?
    Cheers

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    Wonder if the arch breach is why I couldn’t get anything to play yesterday afternoon? Was on relisten not arch, but I thought shows were sourced from arch? I don’t have an account on arch so hopefully no worries there…

    Why would anyone want to mess with the archive? Idiots!

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    Don't know if we'll ever see it released as a box. it will be expected to come with video? which I hear they don't want to release video. What's out already on vid is enough.

    Spectrum 89 would be nice box!

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    arena...in lexington ky
    april 21 1978
    set 2

    10/6/84 saturday night
    went with 3 friends for a long weekend to VA
    2 friends swore-off GOGD concerts after that night
    so upset, so mad about the performance
    particularly the lead guitarist
    had to listen to them for the entire 6 hour ride home (lol as I write this)
    they wrote them off,
    and they NEVER returned
    those poor lost souls

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

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    7 17 89

    At GDTRFB

    still have mixed feelings about Alpine 89...

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    Close friend had an awesome time at that '83 show - he has a fond recollection of an endless stream of party favors moving along the line, help yourself and pass it along, as they waited to get in.

    The '87 show is a personal favorite from that year.

    Saw Bob and Wolf Brothers there last year. Awesome show on a stone cold gorgeous late summer evening/night. Just a stage set in front of the slope. My brother and I talked to some old timers we met there about whether the stage for Bob and Wolf Brothers was in same place as the earlier Dead shows. Memories were hazy but it seemed that it had moved, probably because there had been a lot of development over the years.

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    Anniversary listen.

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TN John - very cool! (a bc bday show not that I was there.) my FOTDs box set is crossing the Great Basin right now (i think) based on tracking. Hopefully by Tuesday next week.

6/14/94 - iwt and got here listening today via a circuitous route of JOTM (from 3/11/93 Rosemont) drive home last night which has a late period Masterpiece and this morning (gestures wildly) somehow saw the set list here and thinking "wow" I saw a Masterpiece in 94. And from there Set I etc. Very unusual set list Set II and a really fun and fine well played show. Posting now because Set II leads off with 45 second structured drumz intro to Victim and it caught my ears as something I had "never" heard (despite being there!) Victim into Lazy River Road. And then the second Samba In The Rain, which I will unabashedly say sounded great that night, totally new to me, and strong cool memory of Phil/Bob/Jerry/Vince singing the chorus and it rocked. Samba > Trucking > and a super chill That Would Be Something into drumz. Those late era shows in Seattle Memorial Coliseum kicked it.

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Sounds grate on my new speakers and subwoofer.

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Whadja get?
And what is powering them?
Cheers

Starting the box today.

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At the risk of joining said society, I like the points you made, Daverock. I'm thinking of some live Quicksilver I had on cassette - absolutely ferocious playing, but the recording was not up to modern standards. Eminently listenable, though, and it broadened my mind to what that group was capable of. Or that Pink Floyd stuff from early '72, some early Doors stuff... that early '67 Thirteenth Floor Elevators concert (I think it later got released properly)...

So those Sept 1970 Fillmore recordings, what exists of them, should absolutely be made available to the public after Dr. Norman takes his best shot. "What's to lose / We're NOT confused/ You can call this set / The Fillmore East blues."

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RP-500M II speakers
R-120SW subwoofer
12 gauge 99.9% copper speaker wire

Powered by a Cambridge Audio AXR100 receiver.

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Live At The Roxy (Hollywood - 5/26/76)

Been thinking for a long while that I need to upgrade my system in certain key points. Slowly making my way to that move. Thanks for sharing ConeKid.

The model I got is over 50% off because it has been replaced with a newer model.
12-inch sub is spectacular.
I highly recommend it as does Vguy.
Grab one while you can.

The speakers were also on sale. They are really nice. I would also recommend them, and they’re still on sale.

Nice at the time

Will listen again someday

I was so glad they were in Seattle (first time since 1983)...Tacoma 88 kinda counts....

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8 18 89

Then 8 19 89
Warlocks 89
3 10 81
10 30 73
Europe 90

With April 78 sprinkled here and there

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9/18/87 MSG

Before that was 5/2/70 and

February 13 &14, 1970 that I now have in my collection thanks to a kind and generous person! :)

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The bonus disc that came out with After Midnight - JGB at Kean College 2/28/80.

Kick ass little disc, 4 songs from next night 2/29 (a leap year!) and 1 from 3/1. I got to thinking how "freaking good" this sounded compared to, say, some 1980 GD sbds and on an old Steve Hoffman forum thread heralding and dedicated to the After Midnight release it mentions that Kean is from 24 track tapes(!!) and I'm like what the heck is going on that a JGB show at Kean is being recorded with a 24 track rig?? And yes I'm very thankful that it was so beautifully recorded. The After Midnight > Eleanor Rigby > After MIdnight from Kean enters a musical space that is crazy beautiful and otherworldly and that pretty much has me with tears in my eyes every time.

They are a strange beast in a way. When I started going to concerts, back in 1972, the music was only part of the experience of going. All sorts of things happen when you go to a live gig - especially when you are young. Live recordings omit all that other stuff, and all you get is the music played, presented in isolation. I wonder if this is partly why late period Dead shows are popular - if you were there you can fill in the gaps. If you weren't, they might not sound as special because they lack that "x" factor of experience.

As opposed to 2/13/70, 2/14/70 and 5/2/70 - some of the best live shows of all time. You don't need to have been there to enjoy those recordings - you just need a pulse.

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Do we like 2/28 or 3/1 better?

For some of the later GD shows, you can feel the energy of the room and those are the ones I like.
Maybe its just Healy's recordings but not always...

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...you will find me on a marathon listening party
of the HC Sunshine Box...
beginning at Des Moines State Fairgrounds
May 13th 1973 :)

everyone have a GRATE week!

Peace for All!
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That lil' 5-song disc is indeed lovely! Just a fun bonus to have in the collection.

Live Recordings do have all of that extra "metadata" if you were in attendance. I can picture the Dragon dance/parades from Lunar New Year shows; the costumes at Halloween; the shimmering desert air in Las Vegas; the central lot at Shoreline back when you could arrive early and get your vehicle in there; and so on.

My younger brother is just old enough to have seen a few Grateful Dead shows, but he doesn't like collecting shows and he really won't listen to live GD *unless* there's a video. He wants to see the musicians and the crowd and the venue. He was the person who first turned me on to Christopher Hazard's channel because that's his jam.

In a way, listening to the Dead-live recordings-is something of a disembodied experience for me. I don't relate the shows to physical events that actually existed - which may be strange as Phil once said in interview, around the time of going to Egypt, that place was important in influencing the show. Apart from the shows caught on video, every show I listen to takes place at the same place, which is my living room. With one attender.

One of the best listening experiences was during my one and only trip to America during the summer of 1990. We were on a "fly drive" holiday exploring the West Coast of America. I only took one tape - 9/28/72 - and it was great listening while driving (( being driven to be exact - I couldn't drive then) through all that amazing countryside. The music really did seem to reflect the country - not the people living in it at that time, but the actual landscape.
I can also remember listening to "Playing in the Band " from this show as we drove over the Golden Gate Bridge.

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...started with
May 20 1973
at UC Santa Barbara stadium

really enjoying garcia's
1st set guitar work vs. yesterday
at Des Moines State Fairgrounds

Peace for All!
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I like to remind myself of the date, year, and venue. Hear the room and picture it in my head while I listen. I only saw the Grateful Dead in the 90s towards the end.

I avoid videos though, too "restrictive" maybe...

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of the HC Sunshine box
may 26 1973
at the Kezar Stadium

and based on this day's supporting acts
...of a country vibe?

Make Love Not War

Peace for All!
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8 19 89

The Other One is hot hot hot

Everything else just ok

I have listened to A LOT of 89 90 91 stuff over the past few months

I think it's time to switch to the HCS box a la UT

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...more please...of course!
HC Sunshine Box :)

can't help but smile
when you begin a new day with the music of the GOGD

June 9th 1973
in Washington, DC
at the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium

Make Love Not War

Peace for All!
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Someone ( Joey?) on here mentioned 6/8/77 recently, so I decided to give that a spin to tee myself up for the box. I tend to overlook this box a bit. Great show from beginning to end. I followed that up with 6/9 - which didn't get me quite like the previous night until the Help-Slipknot-Franklins jam. Truly the spirit takes over here- surely one of the best, if not the best, version of this triumvirate ever played.

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I'm finishing up the second show in the box and will start the third....there has been a couple, few stand out tunes so far I think, like the Wharf Rat on 4/6, fine playing during the second half.

June 1977

I had been listening to that Dave, I have the CDs in my possession finally thanks to someone here. (I did have a digital copy before) Those are just grate shows, everything is spectacular! I love 6/8 I think it might be the best eighth of a month of 1977 ;) and maybe even better than any other eighth day of a month ever? Okay no, too far, there is 11/8/69, 4/8/72, 9/8/73 ect....

Anyway, I had wanted to keep listening to the June 1977 stuff but after going through it twice I switched to 1970 because felt like 6/77 was a little too close to 4/78.

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Getting through 1st set.
More impressed with the 4-6 1st set.
But lots left to go.
(edit, 2nd set is making up for it!)
Sound is still great.
Rocking the smaller system this morning.
Little speakers but big sound!
Cheers

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I'm currently listening to the second set of this Warfield show. I listened to the acoustic set yesterday but got rudely interrupted by life so couldn't finish it, lol! Rat in a drain ditch...so so good!

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I'm currently listening to the second set of this famous show. I listened to the acoustic set yesterday but got rudely interrupted by life so couldn't finish it, lol! Nothing left to do!

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Foolish Heart

Very nice

Now...gotta get into that HCS box...

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Good thinking Joey. I've decided to drop down a few years for the sake of variety - and landed on 9/18/74 from 30 Years. At first it sounded very thin, coming out of June 1977. A bit rinky dink. Demonic country picking by Jerry apart, it took a few songs to adjust to. I've only listened to the first cd so far, which does finish with a soulful To Lay Me Down. The best is yet to come, as the saying went.

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I'm currently listening to the vinyl companion that came along with the graphic biography of the early Grateful Dead, Origins. It's a single-disc recording from the Fillmore West, 8/21/68. Side A: Dark Star -> St. Stephen Side B: The Eleven -> Death Don't Have No Mercy.

I have only listened to it a couple of times before, it strikes me listening again this time that the highlight is really Death Don't Have No Mercy. The band is really tight and in sync, both technically and emotionally. There are lots of quiet moments and loud moments in the song, and Jerry's guitar works screams like a man in pain and sorrow.

I prefer listening to 70s-era and Brent-era GD simply because their repertoire is so much larger than it was in the 60s, but there is such a raw, energetic sound to their earlier work as well that I really love. Aside from this single-disc release and Two From The Vault there isn't any other live material from them available on vinyl that I know of, I wish they would release more.

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JFCattlet74.....not exactly, but as close as damnit is 11/10/67 that was included in the 30 Trips box. That one came out in vinyl shortly afterwards, and sounds superb. As you probably know, this was one of the shows that was recorded and used as a basis for Anthem of the Sun, and it has all the hallmarks of a great 1968 show.

Speaking of which, 2/14/68 would go down well on vinyl. I think they have steered clear of Road Trips for vinyl so far - something of an untapped resource there.
I would also have snapped up 8/21/68 on vinyl if I had known where to get it.

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There is 69 vinyl.
FW69 which was Plangentized (the CD’s were not, so the vinyl is a remaster) and 4-26%,27-69 DP26.

My Mom's favorite band after she and Dad saw Pete and his band play live in New Orleans (1969?).

And that reminded me of the David Crosby interview where he called the Dead "psychedelic Dixieland.'

Seems about right!

"Walk out of any doorway
Feel your way, feel your way like the day before
Maybe you'll find direction
Around some corner where it's been waiting to meet you"

Not forgetting the above treasure trove that came out on vinyl fairly recently. Again, highly recommended, both for the music played and the sound quality. "180 gram audiophile vinyl" it says on the spine of the record, and it sounds like it.

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A true legend

He got screwed over

Charlie Hustle

Way back in 1975 I went to a Cubs game vs. the Reds...went down toward the field pregame

Here is Johnny Bench Dave Concepcion and Pete Rose warming up

That was cool to a 6th grader

Still cool to me now

He so much deserved to be in the Hall of Fame

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Not a sports fan at all, will watch super bowl and world series with group, but really don't care.

I felt sorry for Pete Rose, I feel I heard a story about wife abusers being allowed into the hall of fame, but not Pete?

On another note, I have a new favorite song. Maybe a bunch of you have heard of him, but I hadn't, Jelly Roll. He was on Saturday Night Live this weekend and did a tune called "Winning Streak". A search of "Jelly Roll - Winning Streak (Live on SNL)" will pull it up. It's a tune about a alcoholic going to his first AA meeting.

One of the best refrain lines EVER

I was so ashamed to be in this seat, til I met a man who was 20 years clean
He said, 'Everybody here's felt the same defeat. Nobody walks through these doors on a winning streak.'

Check it out. Hope you find it as good as I do.

And, no, I've never had an addiction or been to any sort of meeting.

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JAX - middle of 1st set.
(edit - nice Estimated/Eyes in 2nd set)
Still most impressed with 4-6-78 so far.
Glad I got this box, I have skipped some.
Cheers

Recent listens:
Fleetwood Mac - Future Games LP
Teruo Nakamura - Manhattan Special LP (with Herbie Hancock)
Pat Martino - Joyous Lake LP
4-6-78 Tampa
4-7-78 Hollywood

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Hoping it’s as good as I recall…
4/10 was not, in fact, bit of a dog, perhaps worst so far?
Not a bad show, just more inconsistent and several notable flubberies etc…
Let’s find out ; )
Onward!

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nothing has really caught fire for me (I am jumping around in the sequence)

however

4/14/78 before work today sounded hot.

also:

in the car I am listening to 10/8/89

good stuff
really good stuff

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I’m going in order and will do 4-15 next to see (hear) how it compares to the Box.

I like 4-10 and 11 a lot, but they’re also burned into my synapses from having them on cassette and then CD-R.

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4 11 78

When i first heard it back in later 80s I was amazed at the post drumz sequence. I didnt know they had done it.

Nowadays its like "cool"
Back then it was like "wow!"

At the moment
4 14 78 looks Like Rain (never one of my favorites)

Due to holiday no need to go to work so plenny o' GD

Yay!

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here we go! set 1 was okay! I like where set 2 is going...

Samson oh yeah!! Lions Den for sure!! Growls...

Music swinging!!

The Natives are restless!

That was fun!

Love them while you can, for someday they'll be gone.

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Previously, Only heard this one once, thought it was good but overshadowed by the 11, 15 and 16th…let’s see after proper sit down if it matches the hype…

Think 4/11 was tops so far, but 4/6 seemed to stand out too. These shows are sneaky good. Meaning sometimes you have to wait for it. The dynamics are often impressive. Not freight train Dead like you might expect from this period, but often nice subtle build ups/peaks. You can tell their having fun, getting loose and digging the smaller venues.
Really tasty when their all in sync etc, (sometimes the looseness is a tad much) and 4/11 is a good example of being synced up!
And DG has been improving nicely as the tour has progressed and has some real moments here.
That Sunrise is one of the most powerful I’ve heard, and some songs she’s carrying the lead vocals. Meaning on shared vocals, she is often the strongest most consistent, which allows J &B more latitude.
And the sound is great on all so far, but I too will compare with 37, which I recall is the benchmark of this tour…

I do understand 4winds “cymbal” comments. Don’t have torrents to compare, but they aren’t prevalently splashing all over so ?…
It doesn’t seem like an issue to me, and probably wouldn’t notice it if I wasn’t trying to…guessing mastering, probably added some shimmer to the torrents versus some noise reduction, tape restoration, age etc, or, perhaps artifacts from different machines used to record copies from the masters, versus Bettys reel decks and masters…

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No where in the notes does it state any noise reduction was used in the reel recording of any of the shows in the box.

Will be doing the 15th tomorrow!

Going to have to listen to the 11th again as I thought they were a little out of sync...