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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • Forensicdoceleven
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    He has Van Gogh's ear for music..........

    Hey rockers!!!

    Been trying to stay out of the fray lately, but here I am..............

    Not a hater, nor an apologist for DL and/or TPTB. Pretty good show. Not my favorite era, but saw many good shows in 83 and would have gone to more.

    Don't like DL's choices? It's a challenging balancing act, trying to keep everybody happy. Think you could do better? Good luck with that............

    Enjoyed the comment, which was right on, about getting an external hard drive and finding stuff on your own. Been doing that for years. If they never put out another official release, I would still be a happy camper. You could too!! How? LOL you know where to find me, always happy to share...........

    I shall now crawl back under my rock, while cranking 4/6/69..............

    Music is like an open sky., you know it's out there... and there you are......

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Music exists for the purpose of growing an admirable heart.....

  • LetsGoCaps
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    Oroborous,

    Bravo! Thank you for being the one to say it! I could not agree more with every statement you made.

    We have sooo many releases from the 70s (and I love every one of them!). I think it's a blast of cool air when when something from the 80s or 90s turns up. I say keep them coming full tilt.

  • itsburnsy
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    My expectations are low, so hopefully they get exceeded. One thing to know Butch is the 3rd and 4th picks are always the weakest, never a long tent pole show. Anyway, I do love a release with filler!

  • Oroborous
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    Dave Picks 52

    I’m down!
    Only heard these once working in the garage but I really liked em, especially the 10th, but the 11 is good too, perhaps best of the fall, although I’ve always been partial to 8/27 just for the Jack Straw Phil Phest.

    Anyone interested in this time might also enjoy 10/16, 17, 18, and 22, among others…

    Strider! Nice to see ya!

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    FFS, we get it, some folks are very particular with what THEY like.
    No problemo, just why do they have to be such a nasty pricks about it?
    Guess that’s what we’ve turned into in the modern world…

    And as far as unequal representation, hmmmm Id say over representation if you actually think before you spew, with 25 outta 52 picks from the 9 pre hiatus years of 66-74, so almost 50% of all Dave’s are from only 9 years, or less than 1/3 of all the years….really, only six years as 66-68 has for whatever reason been ignored.
    So almost half of all picks are from only 6 years, yeah Boo Hoo, totally under represented…

    And spare us the nonsense about everybody’s opinion is important etc,
    Once again, ad nauseam, I’m not suggesting that folks can’t dislike something or not have an opinion, just don’t be a dick about it!, because ya know what sucks more than being disappointed by a pick…waking up all happy to enjoy a new day, come to what is supposed to be the happy safe place, read about a new pick, and instead get such hostilities. Total Buzz Kill!

    Edit: FOTD box ?…yes, the DL situation is not cool, but your mixing apples and oranges cause the CD box is one of the best as far as recordings, sonics and production!

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    Strider! Can you please explain how someone calling attention to the repeatedly stale picks, as well as the recent technically deficient FOTD release, is a "buzzkill" ?? As stated, I am personally a huge fan of the Brent years - but the fact remains that the picks are getting stale. I guess if you are not blindly praising and paying Lemieux for whatever half-ass*d product he chooses to put out, then you are a hater. Happy to wear that label if so.

    Personally, I prefer when I purchase something for it to work as expected and not be laden with file errors or poor audio. Did you even listen to 51? Sound quality was utter garbage

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    My favorite show of the 80s.

    Remind me not to read all the comments. Hater posts about this Dead show. No buzz kill please.
    Thank you Dave. Great pick.

  • canoncito@gmail.com
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    Best and Worst Times in Santa Fe

    Home town shows for me (lived a couple miles away in La Cienega). It was the Best and the Worst of times....

    Best was 3 Red Rocks shows, then coming home for this, and even better, the night off in between was Zozobra night, the kickoff of Santa Fe's Fiesta weekend...ten thousand plus gathered to burn Old Man Gloom, a 50' puppet, groaning and waving his arms in full ritual glory, letting go all our glooms from the year. So fun to share that with a friend from back east and a couple new show-friends who tagged along as we came south!

    Also Best was the aforementioned weather magic, lightning in the foothills behind the stage as the first set ended, and the rainbow as they cranked it up for set 2 with Help on the Way. Classic!

    The Worst, I'm afraid, reared its head in both concrete and creative realms....The Downs was set up for these shows (as in the previous fall) with the stage facing the grandstand from across the track's oval. This created some awful echoes for those in the middle; of course, you could solve that by moving up close enough to the speakers to overwhelm the echo....or by being way back in the stands....but not ideal for those who like to wander! (a later Lyle Lovett show I saw there rectified this by setting up parallel to the stands).

    Sadly, this show featured what I felt at the time to be my clearest experience of Jerry's issues in these years. The way I heard the Help/Slip/Franklins sequence, Bobby was doing something really fun and creative at one point (I'm a "Bobby Fans are People, Too" guy), and ol' Jer just totally fell off the side of the train at just the point we were primed for him to ante up and raise the stakes. Just lost it. Happens to the best of us, I know....but it was pretty striking at the time.

    The next summer, my compilation of the few(ish) highlights of that year's set of Red Rocks shows was called "Are We Having Fun Yet?" It was a rough stretch for sure.

    Ah, well, not griping about the release or the band or the challenges Jerry was grappling with. Just my memories of these shows.... Which of course were still way fun in the moment despite the transient reminders of the deeper troubles lurking within.

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    Butch - I agree with most of your post - I'm not sure I'd go along with remixing a show and dropping a musician that was there out of the mix ( Brent) however irksome his contributions became.

    I enjoyed a lot of live music in the 1980's that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny now. I saw Hawkwind loads of time in the 80's and always enjoyed it - but I wouldn't recommend any of their live albums from that era. You really had to have been there - and I suspect it's the same with Dead shows. Maybe they will concentrate on souvenir shows from now on - ones that the greatest number of people attended, which would necessarily mean concentrating on 1980s-1990s.
    Not good. This could be the first year when I haven't wanted any of the Daves Picks shows that have come out.

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    Yes, September 11, Dennis.

    Yes, it has been a different couple of years for Dave's Picks, but put me in the camp of wanting more variety, not less. There are tons of great shows out there from all eras. But, not everybody will be happy.

    For me, the Frost shows were my favorite so far and that was a surprise to me, but I really like them and keep listening to them.

    Based on sales, #49 is the only one that is actually sold out. You still have three from last year that are still available. Maybe they should cut it back a few thousand. Not sure that will happen.

    My least favorite of the year was #51, sound quality is not very good.

    I haven't heard the Santa Fe show yet, looking forward to it.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Man. Here's a story I learned when I happened upon a GD friend at the taproom the other day; believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on . . .

My friend has had a Box of Rain tattoo on her arm for a long time, but her granddaughter has never asked about it. Turns out the granddaughter DID finally ask her about it . . . last Friday morning!

Phil, you were an amazingly-original and kind person. Enjoy the dimension where Dark Star is always playing.

Be kind, rewind.

Great to see you around. Hope all well your way. May be transferring the music files to another poster. Unbroken chain indeed! Thanks again.

Edit: Think that was a Trent Reznor via Johnny reference. "My empire of dirt." Love it! Getting at that point myself.

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I see Imprec are launching a Kickstarter campaign to release a 3LP reissue of John Oswald’s ‘Greyfolded’.

....going in ASAP. Klipsch sub still tuned up.
It was Mickey's birthday, but no Mickey pics?? Travesty!
I do like the one of Bobby & Phil though. That raised arm was a sign that a Phil bomb had just dropped. Take cover!

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Just delivered. 30 DoD, and still haven’t made it all the way through the Devils box. Should be a fun weekend!

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#8053 arrived today, on time, according to the shipping notice prediction, and intact, here in North County San Diego. Ripping it to hard drive while listening to the fantastic 2023 Rory Gallagher archival release: All Around Man--Live in London. Crackling!

Peace!

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....is on point.
Searching for the Sound.
My lord it sounds incredible.
"May the four winds blow you home again."
The pristine Let It Grow is upcoming.
I can't wait.
Aaand, there it is. Lesh laying the foundation.
So good.
Rise and Fall.

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I've started off this DaP52 party by listening to the filler and it's so good that I have to wonder why TPTB didn't follow their own excellent example of DaP49 and release the two Santa Fe shows back to back shows, for a New Mexico twofer. Especially given their fond reputation. But it's also kinda cool that the release ends with a haunting China Doll.

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....top shelf '80's GD.
So good.
The Sugar Mags just twangs away.
You know what I mean. The Garcia twang. Not quite country. Not quite bluegrass. Not quite rock. A perfect melting pot of nuances that work together in a perfect harmony.

....😁
Cumberland!!! Gtfo
Keeps me happy all the time.
If you listen closely, Lost Sailor almost made an appearance prior to Playin'.
As i was scrolling, I noticed Colin's post re a Greyfolded vinyl kickstarter.
I pitched in for the black vinyl.
So, yeah. Small things like that is why I Dead.

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Not that I don't like Lemieux's playbill writing skills, but they should have let VGuy do the liner notes. He's been calling for this show to get released for at least ten years.

So I'll say it:

This one's for VGuy.

I finally got caught up on this thread after getting horribly behind. Man, there was some serious weirdness back there somewhere. No fun to read, then the Phil news. Good thing most posters here are reasonable, kind, generous and all around fun people. Sometimes the lights are shining on me.. other times, well... anyway, things are moving along nicely. I am looking forward to my first listen.

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....it's a keeper. Makes me happy all the time.
Phil dropping Morning Dew bombs. Big time.
Reminder. It has a Dew.
I'll give it a shot. Ahem...
"The first time I heard these pair of almost but not so perfect shows, I knew there was something going on.
Perhaps the New Mexico skies.
Perhaps the Indian vibes.
Or, it could be that the band trucked down from Colorado into the Enchanted State to enchant some heads.
Kachina dolls take a step back, because the boys are back in town.
You have a Music to start the proceedings. And it's a good one. Big RxR Blues into BIODTL. Very nice. Fast China->Rider to beat the storm.
'83 Women Are Smarter are fun and bouncy. I like bouncy.
Then Cumberland....😁.
China Doll -> Jam -> Spaghetti Space.
Saturday Night on a Saturday Night.
Then Phil approaches the mic with Bobby ala Paul and George Beatles for a Cold Rain & Snow.
Happy Birthday Mickey.
Alabama -> GSET. Sign my ass up. The Bucket is savage and the West LA is funky. C.C. Rider never gets enough love so you just Might As Well.
Then comes the meat and potatoes, but I already posted that."
I'm playing it again. Alabama starts out soft. Then the soundscape phils the air.
If I had Jim's John Deere, I know where I would go.
To simpler times. That's for sure.

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Dennis et al:
- ABB The Final Concert - A 3CD set being released later this month, this is the final chapter on a truly landmark band. Hey, this has Warren Haynes (who just released a new solo LP yesterday) and Derek Trucks, so it’s a no-brainer.
- The Rolling Stones - Welcome To Shepherds Bush (December) - Another live Stones album that promises deep cuts, yet still carries the same retreads the Stones’ live albums always have - Brown Sugar, Jumpin’ Jack Flash, etc. For a great band with an extensive catalogue, they tend to stick too much to the Greatest Hits selections. I’ll likely pass on this one.

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Yes, Maryland!

Little town called Cumberland

Towson MD is a nice place. John Kadlecik lives in Towson MD. He's come up our way here in western MD to play a few times. He's a very nice and humble dude

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Kadlecik lives in Takoma Park, another nice ares in MD

I compare Maryland to California. We have it all here, beaches, rivers, moutains, flat land.....little bit of everything in this little state

rock on, gang!!

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If you're lucky, you might see JIMINMD riding the rapids!!!

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Hmmm... Like Jim, did some catching up scrolling through the weirdness. Of course to really catch up I would have to spend months

Late to this, but for a great Phil fest I've been revisiting DiP 20. Phil on the Let it Grow... Playing > Wheel, Orange Tango. 9/28/76 is a nice prep for Dave's 53.

Listening to 52 now. Love it. About to start H-S-F...

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By far the lowest numbered, highest generation copy of a Picks I have ever received, be it Dick's or Dave's... and the sound quality reflects this.

As everyone knows, the final Plangent master is copied onto a Maxell cassette, which is played back to burn each of the 25,000 cds in the run. After only 356 plays, mine sounds extraordinary - but having been the unlucky recipient of late-generation releases in the past, I feel bad for those receiving high numbers over 17,000 or so - the high end begins to roll off and the hiss becomes audible.

Long live Democracy - let's Make Lying Wrong Again.

Last five:

Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Catch a Fire
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks Vol. 14
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks Vol. 16
Grateful Dead - Europe '72 Vol. 20

\m/

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Nice shout-out to Dick's #20.......some of the best ever done!!!

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Dave's 52
Dick's 20
Big Youth - Screaming Target
Culture - Harder Than the Rest
Wishbone Ash - Pilgrimage

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I visited the following on Phil's passing. Some from comments from posters here, others I simply know and love

11/18/72 single disc release, Houston

10/27/79 Cape Cod

5/3/72 Olympia: The Other One (full jam-Truckin>Wharf Rat)

9/24/72 Dark Star>China Cat>Rider (The golden child from Thirty Trips)

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Thanks Jonathan.... DiP 20 is a top-tier release in my book.

Oooo those are some fine '72 choices too...

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Well, Set I from Dave's 52 is the best set of 1983 Grateful Dead I've heard to date.

As I've said before, I've struggled to get onboard with '83. I've tried: I've owned Dick's Vol 6 since release, but along with Dave's 39 and the 30 Trips release, these shows mostly just gather dust on my shelf. However, I've got to give credit where credit is due: Vguy, you were right. I must say, that first set SMOKED from start to end. Even songs that don't normally move me strongly, like West LA or CC Rider, well, I was just captivated.

And I haven't even put in discs 2 or 3 yet! All of the second set still awaits me! After reading what folks are saying about that set, it seems certain that soon I'll be saying that this is the best SHOW from '83 that I've ever heard. It's Saturday night and I'm about to resume listening, but before I go, I must observe: what a tremendous blessing it is to be a Grateful Dead fan.

....🍻.
And....it's just gets better.
Checked it out again last night but on headphones. TPTB did my baby right.
Thank you for including that Jam out of China Doll from the 10th. A+++

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Finally some free time for first listen to #52. Initial impression, not bad for a cassette source, then the music took over, Always about performance with archival stuff, audio quality second, though 51 suffered badly from saturation. I want to be able to listen at volume approaching 90-95 db once in a while, 51 disc one made that painful. This, hands down the best '83 release I have heard, not being much a fanboy of the second fifteen years. Ledded, leg pulling? Will review Jamie Howarth's Hoffman board posts and Norman's SOP, would they make CDs from multiple cassette tape runs. Norman seems to indicate they create a redbook (CD) master to the usual 192. Highest numbered release ever delivered here, there is a small amount of tape hiss if I listen on axis two feet away from the Klipsch Cornwall IIs, my main reference. Nominal for cassette recording, typically a bit muddy and lacking detail because of miniscule amount of iron oxide and slow speed, overall, audio restoration a home run in my book, excellent performance.

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40 years ago I was up in Berkeley at the B.C.T. having fun with the Good old Grateful Dead. Some interesting songs and a nice Cumberland.

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Yes this is good, have to get used to the sound as it's not too warm, but gets the job done as I like to explore the miracle of any of these shows being recorded and then provided to the keen fan that has chosen to pick this up. Dig the roadrunner art, the race is on. Love West La, althea always is very under rated?? Digging this during commute in my car so I'm taking it slow but dig dig dig it!!

Last five heehehehe always Dead recently FOTD box 78 and Jerry versions which included Garcialive vol 18 just an amazing show. All the Garcia/Saunders stuff is Gold.
Haven't done Jeff Buckley's Grace in a while but was able to enjoy all of that.
New Willie Nelson Last Leaf mostly covers and mostly hits the note, especially with recent passing of KK.
Squeezed in some Pixie's this week too, gigantic...
and I like Ray Lamontagne and new album long way home got a listen this week.
plus all sorts, some Beastie Boys the insidefromwayout
Lost highway soundtrack to has some good stuff including lou reed, I like. And the newish David Gilmour is worth a try, he should play guitar...

....I eat. I breathe deep. And I spend money.
I purchased two records today. Vampire Weekend - Contra & Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Ragged Glory.
I've never owned a physical copy of RG until now.

Ragged Glory

Love it

First time I heard it was August 93
Friend played it on the drive to JGB in Portland

"I'm thankful for my country home
It gives me peace of mind
Somewhere I can walk alone
And leave myself behind"

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Finally got my copy and took it out for a spin: #23854, highest number I think I've ever gotten. Which is good, ya know. It's not like vinyl. With CDs you want the highest number you can get. The discs sound better when those 0s and 1s are good and heated up after 20k-plus pressings. That's what I heard anyway.

Can't add much to what's been said about this: a really, really good show for '83 in very good sound for the era. The first set is a little wayward, but still has a good energy. I always cringe a little when Bob doubles down on the cowboy songs and gives us Uncle and Mexicali in a row. And I still think that slide guitar is not something you want to try to learn on the gig, Bob.

But the set closes with a ripping Might as Well, and the second set is amazeballs. Great Help/Slipknot/Franklin. And I really like it that Brent is mostly playing electric piano and organ here, rather than the more tinkly sounding keys he got into later. Very spontaneous sounding Wang Dang. And there's a Dew (relatively uptempo for a change, with some great organ from Brent)! And a bonus Cumberland.

All in all, big ups to our man Dave. This is the kind of release that makes this series so interesting: a show I probably wouldn't have checked out, from an era I feel like I'm not super stoked on, but one that I thoroughly enjoyed. I'll play this one often, I'm sure.

A welcome break from the anxiety I've been feeling about What Will Happen Tomorrow. One way or another, this darkness got to give. Hope so, anyway.

....gives one a sense of hope. A sense of joy. A sense of serenity.
Music will forever be precious to me. It's powerful stuff.
This unfortunate timeline doesn't end tomorrow, so I'll double down on some Beastie Boys. Make sure to check your head.

When the Sony 1610 system was used for cd pre-mastering we found that when there was higher error correction on the tape (Umatic) the sound deteriorated
So you want your 1s and 0s as pristine as possible!
It's only data after all

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trying to see if yesterday's 30 Days winner (7/7/69 Dark Star) was the same GOGD from the early days of POTDWD (Pick of the Day with Discussion). Couldn't help but notice that by Day 3 of that thread, April 8, 2020, there you are VGUY serving up 9/10/83, on to the next show by 4/10, including a post titled "I Know You're Reading This Mr. Lemieux...." with a request for a mini box of those 2 shows and 10/17/82, along with a request for a mini box of 3 Alaska shows (for which you offer to pay 3 moose pelts)!!

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On those posts and in the profile, his name is presented as "The Good Ole G . . ." First post I think was 4/17 and he was a self described lurker who promptly jumped right in and, as you know, immediately became a regular in POTD. Now maybe 2 years since he last posted. The winner's name yesterday was fully spelled out - The Good Ole Grateful Dead. If you go to send a private message, the options of existing accounts are refined as you begin entering a name. There is no abbreviated version, only the full one.

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My top 5 Grateful Dead albums: 1 Working Mans Dead, 2 American Beauty, 3 Anthem of the Sun, 4Live Dead , 5Aoxomoxoa.

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...Can't get no sleeves for my records
Can't get no laces for my shoes
Can't get no fancy notes on my blue guitar
I can't get no antidote for blues
Oh yeah, blues

I can't find the reasons for your actions
or I don't much like the reasoning you use
Somehow your motives are impure
or somehow I can't find the cure
Can't get no antidote for blues
Oh yeah, blues

They say it's mostly vanity
that writes the plays we act
They tell me that's what everybody knows
There's no such thing as sanity
and that's the sanest fact
That's the way the story goes
Oh yeah
Oh, yeah
Blues

Can't get no remedy on my TV
It's nothing but the same old news
Well, they can't find a way to be
One World in Harmony

Can't get no antidote for blues
Alright, yeah, blues

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Computer chips can decipher them better that way.

During CD manufacturing, if the CD’s are dropped onto spindles, then CD#1 is at the bottom of the first stack and CD #25,000 is at the top of the last stack. CD #25,000 is then removed and placed in packaging #1, and packaging #25,000 gets CD #1.

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