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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • Oroborous
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    I feel ya DR

    And agree with all, except the mediocre part (but no problem one man gathers what another man spills and we’ve already been through all that lol) ; )
    I’m just afraid if we get too picky we’ll end up with nothing sooner than later…

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    I liked the idea that Jim posted that we have a couple of small boxes a year, not just one. I would be more likely to buy a mini box than a big one - unless it was something which was really special to me. For me, this 1978 box was way too big, and the quality of the shows doesn't justify the expense.
    An FM Fall 1971 box was suggested as a good idea recently, and somebody printed a list of all the shows that had been recorded in this way at that time. For me, it would be way over the top to release all of them in a huge, and hugely expensive box. But a few well selected shows, would make a truly great box

    It also has to be said that at 67, it is by no means certain that I will still be alive in 5-10 -15 years time. So any business plan that is looking at the long term isn't really relevant to me. A selfish reaction, perhaps, but I would hope for the cream of the crop being released ASAP - not padded out with average shows so the release plan can stretch on for another 15 years. If they take much longer to get to 9/70, or the Ark shows from 1969, there might be none of us left to buy them !

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    ....big. Small. I want them all.
    FYI. If you have Spotify, bootleg gizzard uploads soundboards from their shows. Check it out!
    Listening to the San Diego show from a couple of weeks ago now.

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing a box from Family Dog at the Great Highway. Even if it’s only bits of shows that are releasable.
    There’s a couple 30 DoD selections from this year that got me thinking about this.

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    Yes, small boxes in addition to the one big box. Of course you are correct, these releases all need to sell out to keep the party moving.

    How many Dave's Picks are still for sale from the last two years?
    Two box sets still for sale as well.

    Hard it know which Dave's will sell out next.

    I would also add a fifth pick in mid to late December. Would be fun.

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    …Pulls at “the roost” lol ; )

    Hate to be contrarian, but I don’t like the small boxes, seem like kinda a waste.
    Since we only get one lousy box a year, I like em as big as possible!
    Plus, it’s a good way to get some shows out that might be on the fence otherwise.

    Riddle me this Batman: how many more years do you think this will continue especially when people are selective and don’t support it?
    Sorry, I get why folks don’t want what they don’t want, and that is fine and dandy! But, this is unfortunately a business, the business of selling things, and if people don’t buy those things, they’ll just stop making/selling them…so how many more years do you really think this will go on?

    So X equals what, 5, 10, maybe 15 years…so X times the pace/methodology they’ve been continually using =
    Years
    5= 5 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 5= 20)
    10= 10 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 10= 40)
    15= 15 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 15= 60)

    I’m gonna guess he’ll keep going to DaP 100 just for shits and giggles and because it’s a nice round number, and we’re into the 13 year I believe, so 12 or so more to get to 100, and figure in Dave’s age etc, and that’s my guess.
    Hell do it for 25 years and 100 DaP,… IF…the sales support it…

    So that would be mean only 12 or 13 more boxes at current methodology.
    So 12 mini boxes is only 24-36 shows, versus at the current average of 5 or 6 shows per box gives us 60-72 shows…a nice 8 show box like this years would be a total of 96 shows! (Don’t worry, there are plenty of good shows left!, just maybe not what YOU like ; )

    Now I’m sure some who only want a small, selective set of shows wouldn’t care, but for those who want as much as possible, it’s a waste to have to wait a whole year for just a 2 show box. And!…what if you keep waiting on that one special one YOU must have from i.e., fall 70, or April 69, Rochester 85, Philly 89, or whatever etc, , but increasingly they (hopefully) give more attention to all eras, that means your odds of getting what you want diminishes greatly…
    No, I’m greedy, I want it all, so I think boxes should be bigger like some other bands do, not smaller. How big was that Floyd box, how many discs?

    Now if they changed their methodology and increased the rate of releases, (I think this is what Jim said?) great! I don’t care how they do it, just so we get the maximum amount of shows fixed up and released! So no, imho if small boxes replace a larger one it’s no bueno! But hey, that’s just me.

    If I was in charge, lol,( yee gads run for the hills lol) if I was in charge I’d do
    5 DaP a year with more dbl shows
    1 or 2 minis a year
    1 bigger box a year
    and bring back the occasional stand alone show/release ala Nightfall of Diamonds, Rocking the Rhein, Ladies and Gentlemen, Dozen at the Nick etc etc,
    And! yes full shows are the gold standard, but I think most of us wouldn’t care if we got some RJ shows (top shelf where mama hides the cookies) that were chopped up, if that’s the only way to get them out…

    Just a thought…careful what you wish for!
    Ok, now the mob can tell me I’m wrong lol, which is fine, just be nice ; )

    EDIT: agree with the crow: dial back the bollocks and just give us more shows!

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    FWIW I would love to see a move toward smaller boxes. If only because I'm running out of space!

    I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind seeing the packaging dialed back a little bit. Sure, it's fun to unpack a box like FOTDs, with all little boxes and doodads, but I'm really only it in for the music. Once you look at all the "extras" they just become more stuff you have to store someplace. And speaking for myself, there's not much available space left.

    Something like the 1976 box a couple years back struck a nice balance: the packaging was enough to make it seem special, but it didn't take up a lot of shelf space. Or look at something like, say, the Fox Box the ABB did: three shows, 8 CDs, and it doesn't take up more shelf space than 2-3 regular CDs.

    I suppose this is what you'd call a 'first world problem': we've got so many desirable reissues that some of us are running out of places to keep them! But I'm actually serious. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller, less expensive, less "deluxe" boxes. Cause it's all about the music, main.

    Last five:

    King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
    Duke Ellington: New Orleans Suite
    Mile Davis: Miles in France '64 & '64
    Brad Mehldau: Your Mother Should Know
    Jefferson Airplane: Loves You

    OK now I gotta go to the dentist, so by the time you read this I'm prolly dead.

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    I like this idea Jim. More music would always be better.

    I think the last time we had two box sets released in a year was back in 2017. They released GSTL which broke the site and the RFK Box in the fall.

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    RDR2.
    If you know, you know.
    I like finding things like that.

    Sixtus

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    is how SC jokingly described a bear pictograph in Collins Canyon.

    Baltimore '73 is awesome - may it be released.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Man. Here's a story I learned when I happened upon a GD friend at the taproom the other day; believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on . . .

My friend has had a Box of Rain tattoo on her arm for a long time, but her granddaughter has never asked about it. Turns out the granddaughter DID finally ask her about it . . . last Friday morning!

Phil, you were an amazingly-original and kind person. Enjoy the dimension where Dark Star is always playing.

Be kind, rewind.

Great to see you around. Hope all well your way. May be transferring the music files to another poster. Unbroken chain indeed! Thanks again.

Edit: Think that was a Trent Reznor via Johnny reference. "My empire of dirt." Love it! Getting at that point myself.

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I see Imprec are launching a Kickstarter campaign to release a 3LP reissue of John Oswald’s ‘Greyfolded’.

....going in ASAP. Klipsch sub still tuned up.
It was Mickey's birthday, but no Mickey pics?? Travesty!
I do like the one of Bobby & Phil though. That raised arm was a sign that a Phil bomb had just dropped. Take cover!

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Just delivered. 30 DoD, and still haven’t made it all the way through the Devils box. Should be a fun weekend!

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#8053 arrived today, on time, according to the shipping notice prediction, and intact, here in North County San Diego. Ripping it to hard drive while listening to the fantastic 2023 Rory Gallagher archival release: All Around Man--Live in London. Crackling!

Peace!

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....is on point.
Searching for the Sound.
My lord it sounds incredible.
"May the four winds blow you home again."
The pristine Let It Grow is upcoming.
I can't wait.
Aaand, there it is. Lesh laying the foundation.
So good.
Rise and Fall.

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I've started off this DaP52 party by listening to the filler and it's so good that I have to wonder why TPTB didn't follow their own excellent example of DaP49 and release the two Santa Fe shows back to back shows, for a New Mexico twofer. Especially given their fond reputation. But it's also kinda cool that the release ends with a haunting China Doll.

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....top shelf '80's GD.
So good.
The Sugar Mags just twangs away.
You know what I mean. The Garcia twang. Not quite country. Not quite bluegrass. Not quite rock. A perfect melting pot of nuances that work together in a perfect harmony.

....😁
Cumberland!!! Gtfo
Keeps me happy all the time.
If you listen closely, Lost Sailor almost made an appearance prior to Playin'.
As i was scrolling, I noticed Colin's post re a Greyfolded vinyl kickstarter.
I pitched in for the black vinyl.
So, yeah. Small things like that is why I Dead.

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Not that I don't like Lemieux's playbill writing skills, but they should have let VGuy do the liner notes. He's been calling for this show to get released for at least ten years.

So I'll say it:

This one's for VGuy.

I finally got caught up on this thread after getting horribly behind. Man, there was some serious weirdness back there somewhere. No fun to read, then the Phil news. Good thing most posters here are reasonable, kind, generous and all around fun people. Sometimes the lights are shining on me.. other times, well... anyway, things are moving along nicely. I am looking forward to my first listen.

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....it's a keeper. Makes me happy all the time.
Phil dropping Morning Dew bombs. Big time.
Reminder. It has a Dew.
I'll give it a shot. Ahem...
"The first time I heard these pair of almost but not so perfect shows, I knew there was something going on.
Perhaps the New Mexico skies.
Perhaps the Indian vibes.
Or, it could be that the band trucked down from Colorado into the Enchanted State to enchant some heads.
Kachina dolls take a step back, because the boys are back in town.
You have a Music to start the proceedings. And it's a good one. Big RxR Blues into BIODTL. Very nice. Fast China->Rider to beat the storm.
'83 Women Are Smarter are fun and bouncy. I like bouncy.
Then Cumberland....😁.
China Doll -> Jam -> Spaghetti Space.
Saturday Night on a Saturday Night.
Then Phil approaches the mic with Bobby ala Paul and George Beatles for a Cold Rain & Snow.
Happy Birthday Mickey.
Alabama -> GSET. Sign my ass up. The Bucket is savage and the West LA is funky. C.C. Rider never gets enough love so you just Might As Well.
Then comes the meat and potatoes, but I already posted that."
I'm playing it again. Alabama starts out soft. Then the soundscape phils the air.
If I had Jim's John Deere, I know where I would go.
To simpler times. That's for sure.

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Dennis et al:
- ABB The Final Concert - A 3CD set being released later this month, this is the final chapter on a truly landmark band. Hey, this has Warren Haynes (who just released a new solo LP yesterday) and Derek Trucks, so it’s a no-brainer.
- The Rolling Stones - Welcome To Shepherds Bush (December) - Another live Stones album that promises deep cuts, yet still carries the same retreads the Stones’ live albums always have - Brown Sugar, Jumpin’ Jack Flash, etc. For a great band with an extensive catalogue, they tend to stick too much to the Greatest Hits selections. I’ll likely pass on this one.

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Yes, Maryland!

Little town called Cumberland

Towson MD is a nice place. John Kadlecik lives in Towson MD. He's come up our way here in western MD to play a few times. He's a very nice and humble dude

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Kadlecik lives in Takoma Park, another nice ares in MD

I compare Maryland to California. We have it all here, beaches, rivers, moutains, flat land.....little bit of everything in this little state

rock on, gang!!

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If you're lucky, you might see JIMINMD riding the rapids!!!

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Hmmm... Like Jim, did some catching up scrolling through the weirdness. Of course to really catch up I would have to spend months

Late to this, but for a great Phil fest I've been revisiting DiP 20. Phil on the Let it Grow... Playing > Wheel, Orange Tango. 9/28/76 is a nice prep for Dave's 53.

Listening to 52 now. Love it. About to start H-S-F...

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By far the lowest numbered, highest generation copy of a Picks I have ever received, be it Dick's or Dave's... and the sound quality reflects this.

As everyone knows, the final Plangent master is copied onto a Maxell cassette, which is played back to burn each of the 25,000 cds in the run. After only 356 plays, mine sounds extraordinary - but having been the unlucky recipient of late-generation releases in the past, I feel bad for those receiving high numbers over 17,000 or so - the high end begins to roll off and the hiss becomes audible.

Long live Democracy - let's Make Lying Wrong Again.

Last five:

Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Catch a Fire
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks Vol. 14
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks Vol. 16
Grateful Dead - Europe '72 Vol. 20

\m/

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Nice shout-out to Dick's #20.......some of the best ever done!!!

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Dave's 52
Dick's 20
Big Youth - Screaming Target
Culture - Harder Than the Rest
Wishbone Ash - Pilgrimage

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I visited the following on Phil's passing. Some from comments from posters here, others I simply know and love

11/18/72 single disc release, Houston

10/27/79 Cape Cod

5/3/72 Olympia: The Other One (full jam-Truckin>Wharf Rat)

9/24/72 Dark Star>China Cat>Rider (The golden child from Thirty Trips)

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Thanks Jonathan.... DiP 20 is a top-tier release in my book.

Oooo those are some fine '72 choices too...

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Well, Set I from Dave's 52 is the best set of 1983 Grateful Dead I've heard to date.

As I've said before, I've struggled to get onboard with '83. I've tried: I've owned Dick's Vol 6 since release, but along with Dave's 39 and the 30 Trips release, these shows mostly just gather dust on my shelf. However, I've got to give credit where credit is due: Vguy, you were right. I must say, that first set SMOKED from start to end. Even songs that don't normally move me strongly, like West LA or CC Rider, well, I was just captivated.

And I haven't even put in discs 2 or 3 yet! All of the second set still awaits me! After reading what folks are saying about that set, it seems certain that soon I'll be saying that this is the best SHOW from '83 that I've ever heard. It's Saturday night and I'm about to resume listening, but before I go, I must observe: what a tremendous blessing it is to be a Grateful Dead fan.

....🍻.
And....it's just gets better.
Checked it out again last night but on headphones. TPTB did my baby right.
Thank you for including that Jam out of China Doll from the 10th. A+++

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Finally some free time for first listen to #52. Initial impression, not bad for a cassette source, then the music took over, Always about performance with archival stuff, audio quality second, though 51 suffered badly from saturation. I want to be able to listen at volume approaching 90-95 db once in a while, 51 disc one made that painful. This, hands down the best '83 release I have heard, not being much a fanboy of the second fifteen years. Ledded, leg pulling? Will review Jamie Howarth's Hoffman board posts and Norman's SOP, would they make CDs from multiple cassette tape runs. Norman seems to indicate they create a redbook (CD) master to the usual 192. Highest numbered release ever delivered here, there is a small amount of tape hiss if I listen on axis two feet away from the Klipsch Cornwall IIs, my main reference. Nominal for cassette recording, typically a bit muddy and lacking detail because of miniscule amount of iron oxide and slow speed, overall, audio restoration a home run in my book, excellent performance.

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40 years ago I was up in Berkeley at the B.C.T. having fun with the Good old Grateful Dead. Some interesting songs and a nice Cumberland.

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Yes this is good, have to get used to the sound as it's not too warm, but gets the job done as I like to explore the miracle of any of these shows being recorded and then provided to the keen fan that has chosen to pick this up. Dig the roadrunner art, the race is on. Love West La, althea always is very under rated?? Digging this during commute in my car so I'm taking it slow but dig dig dig it!!

Last five heehehehe always Dead recently FOTD box 78 and Jerry versions which included Garcialive vol 18 just an amazing show. All the Garcia/Saunders stuff is Gold.
Haven't done Jeff Buckley's Grace in a while but was able to enjoy all of that.
New Willie Nelson Last Leaf mostly covers and mostly hits the note, especially with recent passing of KK.
Squeezed in some Pixie's this week too, gigantic...
and I like Ray Lamontagne and new album long way home got a listen this week.
plus all sorts, some Beastie Boys the insidefromwayout
Lost highway soundtrack to has some good stuff including lou reed, I like. And the newish David Gilmour is worth a try, he should play guitar...

....I eat. I breathe deep. And I spend money.
I purchased two records today. Vampire Weekend - Contra & Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Ragged Glory.
I've never owned a physical copy of RG until now.

Ragged Glory

Love it

First time I heard it was August 93
Friend played it on the drive to JGB in Portland

"I'm thankful for my country home
It gives me peace of mind
Somewhere I can walk alone
And leave myself behind"

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Finally got my copy and took it out for a spin: #23854, highest number I think I've ever gotten. Which is good, ya know. It's not like vinyl. With CDs you want the highest number you can get. The discs sound better when those 0s and 1s are good and heated up after 20k-plus pressings. That's what I heard anyway.

Can't add much to what's been said about this: a really, really good show for '83 in very good sound for the era. The first set is a little wayward, but still has a good energy. I always cringe a little when Bob doubles down on the cowboy songs and gives us Uncle and Mexicali in a row. And I still think that slide guitar is not something you want to try to learn on the gig, Bob.

But the set closes with a ripping Might as Well, and the second set is amazeballs. Great Help/Slipknot/Franklin. And I really like it that Brent is mostly playing electric piano and organ here, rather than the more tinkly sounding keys he got into later. Very spontaneous sounding Wang Dang. And there's a Dew (relatively uptempo for a change, with some great organ from Brent)! And a bonus Cumberland.

All in all, big ups to our man Dave. This is the kind of release that makes this series so interesting: a show I probably wouldn't have checked out, from an era I feel like I'm not super stoked on, but one that I thoroughly enjoyed. I'll play this one often, I'm sure.

A welcome break from the anxiety I've been feeling about What Will Happen Tomorrow. One way or another, this darkness got to give. Hope so, anyway.

....gives one a sense of hope. A sense of joy. A sense of serenity.
Music will forever be precious to me. It's powerful stuff.
This unfortunate timeline doesn't end tomorrow, so I'll double down on some Beastie Boys. Make sure to check your head.

When the Sony 1610 system was used for cd pre-mastering we found that when there was higher error correction on the tape (Umatic) the sound deteriorated
So you want your 1s and 0s as pristine as possible!
It's only data after all

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trying to see if yesterday's 30 Days winner (7/7/69 Dark Star) was the same GOGD from the early days of POTDWD (Pick of the Day with Discussion). Couldn't help but notice that by Day 3 of that thread, April 8, 2020, there you are VGUY serving up 9/10/83, on to the next show by 4/10, including a post titled "I Know You're Reading This Mr. Lemieux...." with a request for a mini box of those 2 shows and 10/17/82, along with a request for a mini box of 3 Alaska shows (for which you offer to pay 3 moose pelts)!!

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On those posts and in the profile, his name is presented as "The Good Ole G . . ." First post I think was 4/17 and he was a self described lurker who promptly jumped right in and, as you know, immediately became a regular in POTD. Now maybe 2 years since he last posted. The winner's name yesterday was fully spelled out - The Good Ole Grateful Dead. If you go to send a private message, the options of existing accounts are refined as you begin entering a name. There is no abbreviated version, only the full one.

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My top 5 Grateful Dead albums: 1 Working Mans Dead, 2 American Beauty, 3 Anthem of the Sun, 4Live Dead , 5Aoxomoxoa.

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...Can't get no sleeves for my records
Can't get no laces for my shoes
Can't get no fancy notes on my blue guitar
I can't get no antidote for blues
Oh yeah, blues

I can't find the reasons for your actions
or I don't much like the reasoning you use
Somehow your motives are impure
or somehow I can't find the cure
Can't get no antidote for blues
Oh yeah, blues

They say it's mostly vanity
that writes the plays we act
They tell me that's what everybody knows
There's no such thing as sanity
and that's the sanest fact
That's the way the story goes
Oh yeah
Oh, yeah
Blues

Can't get no remedy on my TV
It's nothing but the same old news
Well, they can't find a way to be
One World in Harmony

Can't get no antidote for blues
Alright, yeah, blues

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Computer chips can decipher them better that way.

During CD manufacturing, if the CD’s are dropped onto spindles, then CD#1 is at the bottom of the first stack and CD #25,000 is at the top of the last stack. CD #25,000 is then removed and placed in packaging #1, and packaging #25,000 gets CD #1.

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