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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • Obeah
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    Primal ponderings for 2025

    Thinking ahead to what Dave might be eyeing for 2025, we know Vol 53 is 1976. Let's recap the last three years of Dave's. That's 12 volumes:

    3 x 1977 (41, 45, 50)
    2 x 1971 (48, 51)
    1 ea 1972 (46) and 1974 (42) - both w/ bonus discs
    4 x Brent (44, 47, 49, 52) - '90, '79, '85, and '83 respectively
    'Filler' show across two volumes -- 1970 Kiel Opera House complete show

    And let's mention the 2022-2024 box sets: 1978, 1973, and MSG '81-'83.

    The observant among you will note that I've left out one release: Vol 43, which contained two 1969 shows. That issue marks only the 2nd time the Dave's series has visited 1969. And as Dave observed in the liner notes for #43, it was the first time they'd picked a Pigpen-era show since Vol 30, which was released in Spring 2019... 13 releases prior.

    So if we just look at "what year hasn't Dave visited recently", and if we consider that Volume 54 is a bonus disc release, then 1973 stands out, as it's a great year with plenty of material still unreleased - and the last Dave's release from 1973 was Vol 38. But the HCS box is perhaps a strike against this particular year. And ofc, Dave keeps going back to the '71 well - and there's plenty there for a great release + a bonus disc. Same goes for Fall '72. And if any of those March '77 Winterland shows have flaws or a missing reel, it could be a prime candidate for this year's bonus disc, with a complete neighboring night as the main release (and history shows Dave favors '77.)

    Back to 1969: with Vol 43 being the last time Dave hit '69, it does seem like 2025 could be the year to revisit. I think one challenge is that the shows typically aren't the "right" length for the 3-CD format. The bonus disc format could work really well here, though - two '69 shows over 4 discs could fit. 1968 is the ultimate wild card - what's in the vault, and can it be made to sound good enough for prime time? Maybe a '69 show takes 2 CDs and then the third CD gets whatever exists from a '68 show? I suspect these considerations are one reason why the Dave's series hasn't released that much primal Grateful Dead - trying to balance the CD format with the quality of the show(s) and the recordings, as well as what may or may not be in the vault - well, it's probably more straightforward to just keep autopiloting the '77 stuff.

    HOWEVER -- if you start thinking about the Box for 2025, it's the 60th anniversary year. And no box sets have included any material from the 1960s since 30 Trips in 2015 - and before that, Fillmore West in 2005. A box with '68 AND '69 would be a fitting tribute. We're all agreed that we just want the music - it can be "Road Trips" style where complete shows aren't a prerequisite - and personally I think such a box would sell out faster than Here Comes Sunshine did. Add whatever is serviceable from September 1970 and people will cut off limbs to secure their copies. Dave, are ya listening, laddie?!? Will ye grant our fervent wishes? (And folks at Rhino, if a box like this were to happen, please bump the release count up to 12 or even 15K for the good of humanity - you KNOW this will sell out)

    Well as the kids say today, holy essaying. Sorry for the wall. I should go to bed...

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    mini boxes / '68

    When was the last mini box, anyway? RFK in 2017? That was a late release - November 10 - I wonder if perhaps they wanted to juice holiday sales. But anyway, it's been quite interesting reading folks' ideas. For example, I saw the March '77 three-night stand suggested... there's some of the best '77 material to still be quietly moldering in the vault. The idea of a Vince-era mini box also seems logical - if you're in for Shoreline August '91, you're probably down with all three days, not just the 16th and its first-set Dark Star. The Hornsby-less Feb '91 Oakland stand is another fertile field.

    And I'd second what JiminMD said, all of it. None of us are getting any younger. I have come around to viewing Dave's role (and Jeffrey Norman's) as one not just of opportunity and good fortune, but as one of blessed duty. For I, too, came to regard Grateful Dead music as church. How astonishing that Bear managed to record as much as he did. While we know the vault shelves for 1968 are akin to swiss cheese, that music is very special. I know many of us have filled our SSDs with whatever we need, but this music shouldn't be just for the acolytes: it needs to be heard widely, played loudly.

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    Shoulda
    Beena
    Twofer

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    How bout that China Cat, damn...

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    I'm game 4 sure

    Summer 85 box
    Shuhmah

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    C'est la vie

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    At least we finally got Unbroken Chain : )

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    Sometimes you just gotta rip the band-aid off....

    ....Broken Arrow was ok. But that was a Robertson cover. The rest are forgettable.
    I have attendance bias.
    Wait. Vincent?! Am I in trouble?

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    Ouch lol

    But yeah for some of “those” years I’d be a nice way to get at least some out.
    Kinda dug the 93 Dicks for that. Great intro to a year I’d sorta wrote off without trying…
    Or, maybe a best of highlights from some years, but it’d have to an “additional” release or I think an angry mob would seek ole Dave out and tar and feather him lol

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    1995 composite release....

    ....yeah. I can see that. Got sparse that year.
    Looking back, i remember thinking, "Whats up with all these shitty Phil tunes?"
    No offense Mr. Lesh, but eww.
    Deep into the Gizzverse today. Checking out the St. Louis show on Spot. Daily Blues into Sea Of Trees kicks ass.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Jim’s getting binary.

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The CDs and the covers are pressed separately and then packaged via a process of reverse osmosis.

See there's this pile of CDs, right? And the first ones that got burned are gonna be on the bottom and the last ones on the top. Because of course they are.

So then when they start putting the discs into the covers (which I'm pretty sure is done by an army of trained orangutans), they grab the cover with #00001 on it, and then they grab the "first" CD off the top, but ithat's actually #25000 of all the CDs that got pressed.

Ipso facto, if you get a copy with #23854 on the cover the discs were actually #01146 in terms of pressing order.

Which is pretty, pretty good.

Couldn't they print the edition numbers (serial numbers, etc.) in reverse order so the CD matched the edition number? With digital recordings onto CDs, I doubt if we see an increase in the failure rate in a 25k run. 2.5 million, maybe. I think the only reason we are talking about this at all is because we the consumer see an increase in the failure rate when we compare it to the other CDs we have purchased throughout our life. For me, that number is 0, I've only seen production errors on albums (warped and the hole not punched exactly in the center).

Me thinks we might be overthinking this one, or as Bonnie Dobson might say, I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Good to see reference to the infamous and much missed GOGD.

Know any good jokes? What a long, strange trip it's going to be.

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...y'all nailed that manufacturing/fulfillment process;

back in the early 2000's WEA in Scranton

(actually Olyphant, PA & originally a vinyl pressing plant,
and I remember them saying that they were shipping the presses to Puerto Rico
because, of course, at that time, no more vinyl record albums lol)

was a customer and I regularly met with their shift operation & plant mgrs.
of course, this was a time before, hold-on, color images on CD's, wow!
you can have any color you want printed on your CD
as long as it's black type or black graphics,
so glad those days have passed :)

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The#1 Grateful Dead show of all time. , 5/2/70 killer of an electric set, tag on that incredible acoustic set and that puts it over the top. The heavy weight champion.

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And six inches of snow to shovel.
We'll dig ourselves out.
Cheers
I see Grateful Dead in my future.

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Billy, I would have to give the nod to the Here Comes Sunshine box.

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#5089 has finally been delivered here in the Netherlands. Unfortunately it's the only bit of good news today. C'est la vie.

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Uh, hockey season is here.
Cold comfort, lol.
Cheers

some things in life are bad
they can really make you mad
others just make you swear and curse
when you're chewing on life's gristle
don't grumble
give a whistle
and this will help things turn out for the best
aaaand
always look on the bright side of life

if life seems jolly rotten
there's something you've forgotten
and that's to dance and laugh and smile and sing

etc.

thank God for Eric Idle

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Proudfoot and Eric Idle for providing sunshine on a cloudy day and making me laugh.

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Didn't even get to vote, but they're the ones that this rain will fall the hardest upon.

The U.S. invented two of the most amazing things in history--democracy and jazz; and now most Americans care not one whit for either thing.

It was the Ancient Greeks who invented democracy, not America. America couldn't really be considered a democracy until 1965, when the Right to Vote Act was passed, which enabled racial minority groups living within the States to vote .
And as we know, it was one of these groups, the Afro-Caribbeans, who invented jazz.

Thanks Daverock to explain where it began. With The greeks. Brazil stopped Slavery one century before usa.We all know where it began and now we all know where it ends. Very sad, cry all day. I am getting old hoping i will see another smart us president. Bad news on bad news, Jack Vance is worst.
One word about Dave 49, except vocals, very good playing . Must be the pick of the year. Fortunately we have this GOGD to connect with Amerika and many more;. Cheers to my democrtas friends;

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An archival release of The Allman Brothers set from 6/9/73 RFK was just announced. If you were at the shows or know somebody who was, and maybe have ticket stubs and/or photos of the event, they are looking for packaging contributors.

If you're subscribed to The Big House ABB page you probably recieved the email.

Back in the 1990s there was an interview in the ABB fanzine called Hittin' The Note between Dick Latvala and smirk West discussing a joint project releasing both hands sets together in a package. The project was shelved, though the 73 box with the RFK shows did finally come out. Now one of the Allamn sets will be the perfect compliment to relive 6/9/73.

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Brazil abolished slavery in 1888

Again just sayin

I feel like being Factoid Man

Thank goodness for GD

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The bathroom faucet had a leak. Drip drip drop drip. Been like that for weeks. Probably months. Maybe years. Anyway the other day the wife complained. So today I finally fixed it.

Didn't take very long. Turn the water off. Get out the hex wrench and pop the handle off. Take the old washer out and pull a new one out of that bag I've had in the garage for about 20 years. Batten down the mizzenmast and you're good.

Now it's fixed. Felt good, Feels good every time I look at it and it's not dripping. So that was one small good thing that happened today.

We do what we can. Most of the world's problems will outlive all of us. Meanwhile, chop wood and carry water.

Last five!

Jefferson Airplane: Bathing at Baxter's
GOGD: Reckoning
GOGD: Dap 52
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Vanguard
Funkadelic: One Nation Under a Groove

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Grrek democracracy was more of a hegemony

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...King Gizzard.
Look.
I tend to segue into my comphy spots.
My last five....
Santa Fe 9.10 bonus. Pick up your China Doll. It's only fractured.
The Pretenders - Pretenders II
Dire Straits - Making Movies
Vampire Weekend - Contra
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Ragged Glory.
Enjoy.

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I realized while listening to the first set of 4/8/78 just now that we in America at this point in time are LUCKY, in that the ill-intentioned people have to actually stand up on a stage in front of all and declare their bad intentions. In many places, harmful policies are brokered in back rooms and alleys, then foisted upon an unsuspecting public.

So most of us here have an opportunity not afforded many folks throughout history--to pony up some dough (ACLU), get off our butts, and go DO something in response to the forecasted darkness. Throughout history, and in many places currently, no response was/is allowed.

Democracy allows what just happened, but also allows a response, if only we'll be part of it, and that means not just doom-scrolling and complaining to like-minded friends. Not everyone was or is so lucky.

Be kind, work for kindness, rewind.

....Putin said that a trump win is a win for him.
Guilty of dooming? Yes. A roll-over? No way.
And yes brewer. I am complaining a bit. Human nature and all.
Tis but a scratch.
We will survive.
Look after the girls and women in your lives. Protect them. Prop them up. And have their backs.

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Got my copy today, additonal fees and taxes about EUR 11. Will have a listen later.
Still listening to the Devils Box, shows are getting better from show to show.
Last five:
Eric Clapton - Lady In The Balcony (vinyl)
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Bridgeschool 1995 (vinyl)
CSNY - Fillmore East 1969 (vinyl)
Stone Water - Make Me Try (vinyl) - german band based in Hamburg, check them out!!!!!!!!
Warren Haynes - Million Voice Whisper (deluxe edition)

All the best from the grey Isle Of Fehmarn, have a grateful day
JJ

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nearly everyday, beech or oak, tap leaks nearly one per year!
got a vinyl copy of "ragged glory" and "Dume", awsome...
last five
Keystones companions - box
Neil Young - Dume
VA-Reurn of the grievous angel-Tribute to Gram Parsons
buick 6 -Play well with others
Rich Thompson - Ship to shore

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How does this compare?

I did not listen to it ahead of this but I did listen to 9/10 which is a friggin smoke show I think, seems it will never see a release now.

Edit: I remember not loving the sound of 27 at the time...

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Can you say Plutocracy?

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First listen, finally. Didn't get to it last week on account of Halloween and then being off to Chicago to see Drive By Truckers at House of Blues. What a cool little venue; great frickin' band that knows how to do what they do; slick city, if maybe a little too tidy and clean. Suspiciously so...... and not at all like this release. Which reminds me of Scranton. Both with that spirited, almost off-the-rails recklessness while the music bubbles along perfectly inside the saturation point. And capturing Phil nicely.

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A dog needs a home

A shelter

From pigs on the wing

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....don't sleep on Santa Fe. Now that you are awake, welcome.
Mimosa?
And yes PF. Should've been a four disc release.
I'm really not bitching. Or greedy. At all.
Edit. Christopher Hazard uploaded the 3.28.81 Shakedown on YouTube yesterday.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52 from The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83) sounds incredible! The Grateful Dead were in top form during the '83 tour, and the Santa Fe show is legendary among fans. This release is bound to capture that unique energy. Can't wait to dive into the sound and see how it transports us back to that iconic night!

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With a first set of 58 minutes, it is a crime that the Cat/Rider from the first night was not included.. between this Pick and vol. 27 we could have had most of 9/10.. the sound is good (for an outdoor show) - but I think vol. 39 is a far stronger show... BW from Copenhagen

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....I will be seeing King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard for the first time tonight.
Got some fungus and ready to rock!

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'Into the Wild’ - Molly Tuttle and Golden Highway
Love her version of Good 4 U.
‘2004-04-17’ - Hot Tuna
‘Live in Reno’ - Spafford
All three of these I streamed.
‘PXR5’ - Hawkwind
I decided that I really should play my old vinyl, so I’ve treated myself to a new record deck. I trialled it on this Hawkwind album. It sounds good.
‘Miles in France 1963 and 1964’ - Miles Davis
First disc of the new Bootleg Series Vol 8 on CD. It arrived today and I’m playing it now.

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Agree, it's a crime to omit any China Rider in an official release. I also wish for this one they would have made it a two show affair like they do from time to time. I guess the bean counters are on to us. No extra disc for you!

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Just got mine also, ripping in now.

I did notice the cd's themselves are HEAVY & THICK!

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I'm very worried about the new admin. The stock market is already going up, which is never a good sign. He wants to close the border, but why? Everyone should be allowed to come in without having to answer any questions, just like we all keep our house doors open all night. Anything less is absolute fascism!

And this RFK Jr guy he is putting in his administration has already said he wants to decriminalization weed and remove the stigma from the use of psychedelics just because they help with PTSD for soldiers. I see that as a roundabout way of being pro-war! I mean just because the orange man didn't start any wars his first 4 years doesn't mean he won't this time.

These crazy fascists, RFK Jr. and his orange boss, are also talking about promoting small farms and removing the so-called "bad" chemicals that the big corporation farms use, from our food and soil. I mean, just because these chemicals and the foods they are used in are banned in Europe doesn't mean we should ban them too and go back to natural sustainable farming. What are we, a bunch of hippies or something? Oh wait. 🤔

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I don't understand why some crazy people refused to wear masks and then even after they were inundated with non-stop media coverage of the pandemic, forced lockdowns, mask mandates, and then required to show their vaccine cards to enter restaurants, just for their own good and the safety of the rest of us, they still aim it was some kind of totalitarian plot to take their so-called "freedoms" away? Do these people not watch TV or something?

First of all, just because the scientists who invented and created the gain-of-function virus in the lab wear a full, hermetically sealed suit with a dedicated oxygen supply line, that doesn't mean my checkered-pattern cloth mask that I bought at the checkout counter at CVS doesn't also work to prevent me from catching the virus. I mean, duh!

And in terms of the vaccine, it was absolutely righteous and moral for us to call out those who dare questioned the "science," even though the scientists finally admitted the vaccine neither prevented us from contracting the virus nor spreading it to others. I mean, isn't that what science is all about anyway? Just accepting what you're told and not questioning it? That's the foundation of the scientific method, isn't it? Just like Galileo. I'm pretty sure we all learned that in grade school.

But I think the most convincing point that those of us who accepted the media's and the authorities' mandates without question were correct, is looking back on the last serious pandemic in our history. The Hong Kong Flu of 1968.

We were so much less sophisticated back then that we didn't even wear masks! In fact, we just went about our business living our lives, not living in fear, not shutting the world down, and even held a big music concert. They called it Woodstock.

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Nazareth Hair of the Dog
Black Sabbath Master of Reality
Megadeth Rust in Peace
Boris Absolutego
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy

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..more like. Nice to see PXR5 get a nod, though. It slightly defeats the object of the exercise of listening to vinyl, Colin, but a great Hawkwind box set came out last year called "Days of the Underground 1977-1979" which features that album, amongst much more.

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