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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • Oroborous
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    I feel ya DR

    And agree with all, except the mediocre part (but no problem one man gathers what another man spills and we’ve already been through all that lol) ; )
    I’m just afraid if we get too picky we’ll end up with nothing sooner than later…

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    I liked the idea that Jim posted that we have a couple of small boxes a year, not just one. I would be more likely to buy a mini box than a big one - unless it was something which was really special to me. For me, this 1978 box was way too big, and the quality of the shows doesn't justify the expense.
    An FM Fall 1971 box was suggested as a good idea recently, and somebody printed a list of all the shows that had been recorded in this way at that time. For me, it would be way over the top to release all of them in a huge, and hugely expensive box. But a few well selected shows, would make a truly great box

    It also has to be said that at 67, it is by no means certain that I will still be alive in 5-10 -15 years time. So any business plan that is looking at the long term isn't really relevant to me. A selfish reaction, perhaps, but I would hope for the cream of the crop being released ASAP - not padded out with average shows so the release plan can stretch on for another 15 years. If they take much longer to get to 9/70, or the Ark shows from 1969, there might be none of us left to buy them !

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    ....big. Small. I want them all.
    FYI. If you have Spotify, bootleg gizzard uploads soundboards from their shows. Check it out!
    Listening to the San Diego show from a couple of weeks ago now.

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing a box from Family Dog at the Great Highway. Even if it’s only bits of shows that are releasable.
    There’s a couple 30 DoD selections from this year that got me thinking about this.

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    Yes, small boxes in addition to the one big box. Of course you are correct, these releases all need to sell out to keep the party moving.

    How many Dave's Picks are still for sale from the last two years?
    Two box sets still for sale as well.

    Hard it know which Dave's will sell out next.

    I would also add a fifth pick in mid to late December. Would be fun.

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    …Pulls at “the roost” lol ; )

    Hate to be contrarian, but I don’t like the small boxes, seem like kinda a waste.
    Since we only get one lousy box a year, I like em as big as possible!
    Plus, it’s a good way to get some shows out that might be on the fence otherwise.

    Riddle me this Batman: how many more years do you think this will continue especially when people are selective and don’t support it?
    Sorry, I get why folks don’t want what they don’t want, and that is fine and dandy! But, this is unfortunately a business, the business of selling things, and if people don’t buy those things, they’ll just stop making/selling them…so how many more years do you really think this will go on?

    So X equals what, 5, 10, maybe 15 years…so X times the pace/methodology they’ve been continually using =
    Years
    5= 5 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 5= 20)
    10= 10 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 10= 40)
    15= 15 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 15= 60)

    I’m gonna guess he’ll keep going to DaP 100 just for shits and giggles and because it’s a nice round number, and we’re into the 13 year I believe, so 12 or so more to get to 100, and figure in Dave’s age etc, and that’s my guess.
    Hell do it for 25 years and 100 DaP,… IF…the sales support it…

    So that would be mean only 12 or 13 more boxes at current methodology.
    So 12 mini boxes is only 24-36 shows, versus at the current average of 5 or 6 shows per box gives us 60-72 shows…a nice 8 show box like this years would be a total of 96 shows! (Don’t worry, there are plenty of good shows left!, just maybe not what YOU like ; )

    Now I’m sure some who only want a small, selective set of shows wouldn’t care, but for those who want as much as possible, it’s a waste to have to wait a whole year for just a 2 show box. And!…what if you keep waiting on that one special one YOU must have from i.e., fall 70, or April 69, Rochester 85, Philly 89, or whatever etc, , but increasingly they (hopefully) give more attention to all eras, that means your odds of getting what you want diminishes greatly…
    No, I’m greedy, I want it all, so I think boxes should be bigger like some other bands do, not smaller. How big was that Floyd box, how many discs?

    Now if they changed their methodology and increased the rate of releases, (I think this is what Jim said?) great! I don’t care how they do it, just so we get the maximum amount of shows fixed up and released! So no, imho if small boxes replace a larger one it’s no bueno! But hey, that’s just me.

    If I was in charge, lol,( yee gads run for the hills lol) if I was in charge I’d do
    5 DaP a year with more dbl shows
    1 or 2 minis a year
    1 bigger box a year
    and bring back the occasional stand alone show/release ala Nightfall of Diamonds, Rocking the Rhein, Ladies and Gentlemen, Dozen at the Nick etc etc,
    And! yes full shows are the gold standard, but I think most of us wouldn’t care if we got some RJ shows (top shelf where mama hides the cookies) that were chopped up, if that’s the only way to get them out…

    Just a thought…careful what you wish for!
    Ok, now the mob can tell me I’m wrong lol, which is fine, just be nice ; )

    EDIT: agree with the crow: dial back the bollocks and just give us more shows!

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    FWIW I would love to see a move toward smaller boxes. If only because I'm running out of space!

    I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind seeing the packaging dialed back a little bit. Sure, it's fun to unpack a box like FOTDs, with all little boxes and doodads, but I'm really only it in for the music. Once you look at all the "extras" they just become more stuff you have to store someplace. And speaking for myself, there's not much available space left.

    Something like the 1976 box a couple years back struck a nice balance: the packaging was enough to make it seem special, but it didn't take up a lot of shelf space. Or look at something like, say, the Fox Box the ABB did: three shows, 8 CDs, and it doesn't take up more shelf space than 2-3 regular CDs.

    I suppose this is what you'd call a 'first world problem': we've got so many desirable reissues that some of us are running out of places to keep them! But I'm actually serious. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller, less expensive, less "deluxe" boxes. Cause it's all about the music, main.

    Last five:

    King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
    Duke Ellington: New Orleans Suite
    Mile Davis: Miles in France '64 & '64
    Brad Mehldau: Your Mother Should Know
    Jefferson Airplane: Loves You

    OK now I gotta go to the dentist, so by the time you read this I'm prolly dead.

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    I like this idea Jim. More music would always be better.

    I think the last time we had two box sets released in a year was back in 2017. They released GSTL which broke the site and the RFK Box in the fall.

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    RDR2.
    If you know, you know.
    I like finding things like that.

    Sixtus

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    is how SC jokingly described a bear pictograph in Collins Canyon.

    Baltimore '73 is awesome - may it be released.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Jim’s getting binary.

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The CDs and the covers are pressed separately and then packaged via a process of reverse osmosis.

See there's this pile of CDs, right? And the first ones that got burned are gonna be on the bottom and the last ones on the top. Because of course they are.

So then when they start putting the discs into the covers (which I'm pretty sure is done by an army of trained orangutans), they grab the cover with #00001 on it, and then they grab the "first" CD off the top, but ithat's actually #25000 of all the CDs that got pressed.

Ipso facto, if you get a copy with #23854 on the cover the discs were actually #01146 in terms of pressing order.

Which is pretty, pretty good.

Couldn't they print the edition numbers (serial numbers, etc.) in reverse order so the CD matched the edition number? With digital recordings onto CDs, I doubt if we see an increase in the failure rate in a 25k run. 2.5 million, maybe. I think the only reason we are talking about this at all is because we the consumer see an increase in the failure rate when we compare it to the other CDs we have purchased throughout our life. For me, that number is 0, I've only seen production errors on albums (warped and the hole not punched exactly in the center).

Me thinks we might be overthinking this one, or as Bonnie Dobson might say, I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Good to see reference to the infamous and much missed GOGD.

Know any good jokes? What a long, strange trip it's going to be.

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...y'all nailed that manufacturing/fulfillment process;

back in the early 2000's WEA in Scranton

(actually Olyphant, PA & originally a vinyl pressing plant,
and I remember them saying that they were shipping the presses to Puerto Rico
because, of course, at that time, no more vinyl record albums lol)

was a customer and I regularly met with their shift operation & plant mgrs.
of course, this was a time before, hold-on, color images on CD's, wow!
you can have any color you want printed on your CD
as long as it's black type or black graphics,
so glad those days have passed :)

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The#1 Grateful Dead show of all time. , 5/2/70 killer of an electric set, tag on that incredible acoustic set and that puts it over the top. The heavy weight champion.

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And six inches of snow to shovel.
We'll dig ourselves out.
Cheers
I see Grateful Dead in my future.

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Billy, I would have to give the nod to the Here Comes Sunshine box.

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#5089 has finally been delivered here in the Netherlands. Unfortunately it's the only bit of good news today. C'est la vie.

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Uh, hockey season is here.
Cold comfort, lol.
Cheers

some things in life are bad
they can really make you mad
others just make you swear and curse
when you're chewing on life's gristle
don't grumble
give a whistle
and this will help things turn out for the best
aaaand
always look on the bright side of life

if life seems jolly rotten
there's something you've forgotten
and that's to dance and laugh and smile and sing

etc.

thank God for Eric Idle

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Proudfoot and Eric Idle for providing sunshine on a cloudy day and making me laugh.

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Didn't even get to vote, but they're the ones that this rain will fall the hardest upon.

The U.S. invented two of the most amazing things in history--democracy and jazz; and now most Americans care not one whit for either thing.

It was the Ancient Greeks who invented democracy, not America. America couldn't really be considered a democracy until 1965, when the Right to Vote Act was passed, which enabled racial minority groups living within the States to vote .
And as we know, it was one of these groups, the Afro-Caribbeans, who invented jazz.

Thanks Daverock to explain where it began. With The greeks. Brazil stopped Slavery one century before usa.We all know where it began and now we all know where it ends. Very sad, cry all day. I am getting old hoping i will see another smart us president. Bad news on bad news, Jack Vance is worst.
One word about Dave 49, except vocals, very good playing . Must be the pick of the year. Fortunately we have this GOGD to connect with Amerika and many more;. Cheers to my democrtas friends;

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An archival release of The Allman Brothers set from 6/9/73 RFK was just announced. If you were at the shows or know somebody who was, and maybe have ticket stubs and/or photos of the event, they are looking for packaging contributors.

If you're subscribed to The Big House ABB page you probably recieved the email.

Back in the 1990s there was an interview in the ABB fanzine called Hittin' The Note between Dick Latvala and smirk West discussing a joint project releasing both hands sets together in a package. The project was shelved, though the 73 box with the RFK shows did finally come out. Now one of the Allamn sets will be the perfect compliment to relive 6/9/73.

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Brazil abolished slavery in 1888

Again just sayin

I feel like being Factoid Man

Thank goodness for GD

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The bathroom faucet had a leak. Drip drip drop drip. Been like that for weeks. Probably months. Maybe years. Anyway the other day the wife complained. So today I finally fixed it.

Didn't take very long. Turn the water off. Get out the hex wrench and pop the handle off. Take the old washer out and pull a new one out of that bag I've had in the garage for about 20 years. Batten down the mizzenmast and you're good.

Now it's fixed. Felt good, Feels good every time I look at it and it's not dripping. So that was one small good thing that happened today.

We do what we can. Most of the world's problems will outlive all of us. Meanwhile, chop wood and carry water.

Last five!

Jefferson Airplane: Bathing at Baxter's
GOGD: Reckoning
GOGD: Dap 52
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Vanguard
Funkadelic: One Nation Under a Groove

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Grrek democracracy was more of a hegemony

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...King Gizzard.
Look.
I tend to segue into my comphy spots.
My last five....
Santa Fe 9.10 bonus. Pick up your China Doll. It's only fractured.
The Pretenders - Pretenders II
Dire Straits - Making Movies
Vampire Weekend - Contra
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Ragged Glory.
Enjoy.

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I realized while listening to the first set of 4/8/78 just now that we in America at this point in time are LUCKY, in that the ill-intentioned people have to actually stand up on a stage in front of all and declare their bad intentions. In many places, harmful policies are brokered in back rooms and alleys, then foisted upon an unsuspecting public.

So most of us here have an opportunity not afforded many folks throughout history--to pony up some dough (ACLU), get off our butts, and go DO something in response to the forecasted darkness. Throughout history, and in many places currently, no response was/is allowed.

Democracy allows what just happened, but also allows a response, if only we'll be part of it, and that means not just doom-scrolling and complaining to like-minded friends. Not everyone was or is so lucky.

Be kind, work for kindness, rewind.

....Putin said that a trump win is a win for him.
Guilty of dooming? Yes. A roll-over? No way.
And yes brewer. I am complaining a bit. Human nature and all.
Tis but a scratch.
We will survive.
Look after the girls and women in your lives. Protect them. Prop them up. And have their backs.

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Got my copy today, additonal fees and taxes about EUR 11. Will have a listen later.
Still listening to the Devils Box, shows are getting better from show to show.
Last five:
Eric Clapton - Lady In The Balcony (vinyl)
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Bridgeschool 1995 (vinyl)
CSNY - Fillmore East 1969 (vinyl)
Stone Water - Make Me Try (vinyl) - german band based in Hamburg, check them out!!!!!!!!
Warren Haynes - Million Voice Whisper (deluxe edition)

All the best from the grey Isle Of Fehmarn, have a grateful day
JJ

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nearly everyday, beech or oak, tap leaks nearly one per year!
got a vinyl copy of "ragged glory" and "Dume", awsome...
last five
Keystones companions - box
Neil Young - Dume
VA-Reurn of the grievous angel-Tribute to Gram Parsons
buick 6 -Play well with others
Rich Thompson - Ship to shore

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How does this compare?

I did not listen to it ahead of this but I did listen to 9/10 which is a friggin smoke show I think, seems it will never see a release now.

Edit: I remember not loving the sound of 27 at the time...

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Can you say Plutocracy?

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First listen, finally. Didn't get to it last week on account of Halloween and then being off to Chicago to see Drive By Truckers at House of Blues. What a cool little venue; great frickin' band that knows how to do what they do; slick city, if maybe a little too tidy and clean. Suspiciously so...... and not at all like this release. Which reminds me of Scranton. Both with that spirited, almost off-the-rails recklessness while the music bubbles along perfectly inside the saturation point. And capturing Phil nicely.

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A dog needs a home

A shelter

From pigs on the wing

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....don't sleep on Santa Fe. Now that you are awake, welcome.
Mimosa?
And yes PF. Should've been a four disc release.
I'm really not bitching. Or greedy. At all.
Edit. Christopher Hazard uploaded the 3.28.81 Shakedown on YouTube yesterday.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52 from The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83) sounds incredible! The Grateful Dead were in top form during the '83 tour, and the Santa Fe show is legendary among fans. This release is bound to capture that unique energy. Can't wait to dive into the sound and see how it transports us back to that iconic night!

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With a first set of 58 minutes, it is a crime that the Cat/Rider from the first night was not included.. between this Pick and vol. 27 we could have had most of 9/10.. the sound is good (for an outdoor show) - but I think vol. 39 is a far stronger show... BW from Copenhagen

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....I will be seeing King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard for the first time tonight.
Got some fungus and ready to rock!

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'Into the Wild’ - Molly Tuttle and Golden Highway
Love her version of Good 4 U.
‘2004-04-17’ - Hot Tuna
‘Live in Reno’ - Spafford
All three of these I streamed.
‘PXR5’ - Hawkwind
I decided that I really should play my old vinyl, so I’ve treated myself to a new record deck. I trialled it on this Hawkwind album. It sounds good.
‘Miles in France 1963 and 1964’ - Miles Davis
First disc of the new Bootleg Series Vol 8 on CD. It arrived today and I’m playing it now.

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Agree, it's a crime to omit any China Rider in an official release. I also wish for this one they would have made it a two show affair like they do from time to time. I guess the bean counters are on to us. No extra disc for you!

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Just got mine also, ripping in now.

I did notice the cd's themselves are HEAVY & THICK!

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I'm very worried about the new admin. The stock market is already going up, which is never a good sign. He wants to close the border, but why? Everyone should be allowed to come in without having to answer any questions, just like we all keep our house doors open all night. Anything less is absolute fascism!

And this RFK Jr guy he is putting in his administration has already said he wants to decriminalization weed and remove the stigma from the use of psychedelics just because they help with PTSD for soldiers. I see that as a roundabout way of being pro-war! I mean just because the orange man didn't start any wars his first 4 years doesn't mean he won't this time.

These crazy fascists, RFK Jr. and his orange boss, are also talking about promoting small farms and removing the so-called "bad" chemicals that the big corporation farms use, from our food and soil. I mean, just because these chemicals and the foods they are used in are banned in Europe doesn't mean we should ban them too and go back to natural sustainable farming. What are we, a bunch of hippies or something? Oh wait. 🤔

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I don't understand why some crazy people refused to wear masks and then even after they were inundated with non-stop media coverage of the pandemic, forced lockdowns, mask mandates, and then required to show their vaccine cards to enter restaurants, just for their own good and the safety of the rest of us, they still aim it was some kind of totalitarian plot to take their so-called "freedoms" away? Do these people not watch TV or something?

First of all, just because the scientists who invented and created the gain-of-function virus in the lab wear a full, hermetically sealed suit with a dedicated oxygen supply line, that doesn't mean my checkered-pattern cloth mask that I bought at the checkout counter at CVS doesn't also work to prevent me from catching the virus. I mean, duh!

And in terms of the vaccine, it was absolutely righteous and moral for us to call out those who dare questioned the "science," even though the scientists finally admitted the vaccine neither prevented us from contracting the virus nor spreading it to others. I mean, isn't that what science is all about anyway? Just accepting what you're told and not questioning it? That's the foundation of the scientific method, isn't it? Just like Galileo. I'm pretty sure we all learned that in grade school.

But I think the most convincing point that those of us who accepted the media's and the authorities' mandates without question were correct, is looking back on the last serious pandemic in our history. The Hong Kong Flu of 1968.

We were so much less sophisticated back then that we didn't even wear masks! In fact, we just went about our business living our lives, not living in fear, not shutting the world down, and even held a big music concert. They called it Woodstock.

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Nazareth Hair of the Dog
Black Sabbath Master of Reality
Megadeth Rust in Peace
Boris Absolutego
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy

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..more like. Nice to see PXR5 get a nod, though. It slightly defeats the object of the exercise of listening to vinyl, Colin, but a great Hawkwind box set came out last year called "Days of the Underground 1977-1979" which features that album, amongst much more.

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