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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    TY HF + Doc re '68. '70. Fall '72. Diamonds and Rust.

    Yes, I'm vying for worst subject line ever. I'd have done better to follow Dennis' lead and just title it "things". But Mercy and Goodness and Sweetness and Light, you good people gave me a lot to think about!

    Thanks Doc and HF for filling me in on those '68 developments. I know there are some vectors like Dead Legs and Dead Air that seem to regularly surface new stuff - or new sources for existing stuff. Not sure who all is part of GEMS but they seem to do heroic work, too. But I tend to run behind the curve, so I appreciate this intel.

    @HF I do share your wish the PTB would be a bit more... sensitive? attuned?... to the passage of time. As you said the '70 selections in the vault are pretty sparse. But all the more reason to work on what is there and get it released. If I could rub the lamp and get the genie to grant me influence with the archivist, I'd push for a 'sea change' in the way Lemieux et al approach the box set for the 60th anniversary year. Viz. I'd like to see them curate the entire vault contents for 1970 (or perhaps 1967 and/or 1968 - I pass over 1969 just because I feel it's well-represented already and the need is less pressing) and if a given date doesn't meet the necessary benchmarks to allow it to emerge as a traditional Dave's release (for ex. Vols 19 and 30), then Mockingbird Master what's there, and release it piecemeal. In this way one could build up a historic box... and the sparse nature of the vault's inventory for '70 should make this doable... if they could do 80 CDs for 30 Trips, there's no reason they couldn't do that again for this project.

    This would be one of the most important and foundational archival releases that could ever happen, and it seems only right for it to get out while the remaining participants from that era are still on this side of the ground.

    More realistically: it would not surprise me at all to see Fall '72 get amalgamated into a box.

    The Diamonds and Rust connection with Judas Priest was quite deliberate... I think their producer suggested it to them as a way for them to get radio play in the United States. Somewhere there's an interview with Halford that goes into more detail. I think it says a lot about the band that they didn't dismiss it out of hand and instead really went for it. The whole thing is fascinating on many levels, not least because their cover of the song is quite good. And that's not just my opinion; Baez herself has praised it effusively.

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    True they don't shake your gut like moving coils do but the definition is superb. The QUADS go down to 40 Hz and Phil can still rattle the furniture!

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    Saw this release announcement. Subscribed, as I have since the beginning with the last Road Trips year run, and will continue to do so. I love these releases. This year's picks have been solid for me. The 1978 box is cool. I listened through every show once so far and there is some great playing, even with a lot of repetition in song choices for that tour.

    Recently listened to the "In and Out of the Garden" MSG 83 shows from that fall tour and they are quite remarkable. The Hartford Dicks Picks 83 show second set pre-drumz segment has Jerry playing incredibly inspired. Brent was always awesome.

    I'll never understand the resentment towards any era of the Dead. It's all good. Sure, 94-95 saw Jerry gradually dying from his health issues at a much too young age. I'm now several years older than he was when he died, but he was an old soul even back at the beginning of their career together as a band. I feel fortunate to have seen them about 50 times from 84-95. Almost every show I attended were great, well performed shows, up until the very last two where Jerry looked defeated from life, touring, addictions and the stress from fans that lost touch of the scene which led to incidents like Deer Creek 95.

    More recently, caught the Phish shows with Billy Strings sitting in and they are playing fabulously these days. I hadn't seen them for quite a while (a few shows between 94-96 and a show in 2017). I feel I've been missing out and hope they keep that going.

    Also seeing Stevie Wonder for the 1st time (fan for almost 50 years), and catching the King Crimson "Beat" line-up in a few weeks. Also caught Marcus King for the first time (great show highly recommended) as well as Warren Haynes on his symphony tour, Greensky (with Billy Strings yet again. Only recently picking up on his thing and that kid can play). Also caught a solo Trey TAB show, which was excellent, plus The Four Tops and Temptations on their current lineups (wish I could've seen them back in the day. Still quite entertaining, plus a couple of songs performed that Jerry covered!).

    All in all this has been a fun year musically. If a certain villian gets enough votes to repeat and escalate his dismantling of our country, the fin stuff will evaporate and we'll probably all lose our jobs, pensions, retirements and God knows what else. All I can say is please vote and keep that ruthless crooked bastard out.

    I guess I'm up to date now. Later....

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    the show that benefitted the most from the "Plangent process" in the Listen to the River box is 10/19/72 - what we had before grated ... now is beautiful. Gracias, PTB.

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    If ever there were a show ripe for release it's 10/19/71. Just because.

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    Great speakers, but do you get enough bass from them?

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    QUAD ESL 63's - the greatest transducer ever designed

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    Hey rockers!!

    Since HF mentioned the fabulous Fall of 1972..........

    By that time Owsley was out of jail and back recording. We know he recorded at least one of the September Boston Music Hall shows. Hopefully he recorded the Texas shows---which would make a fine box set---and maybe just maybe those are in those banana boxes. The ones that I remain very curious about........

    One can always dream.......

    If the king loves music, there is little wrong in the land.....

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Music comes from a place we don't know......

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    avacado/mustard are both back (still ugly as sin,,, the green was worst!)

    obeah - thanks for the heads up on Judas Priest doing Diamonds and Rust. I would/will mark me in the camp as not liking Priest like music, but, I say this with NO knowledge of thier music. This will give me a foothold to grab (can you grab a foothold?)

    Just got in a huge bear family set of Merle Haggard. Another I know nothing about, well this I put in the phone and will start to shove my way thru.

    So much music goes by on this site,,, thanks everyone!

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    Said you were using eletrostatic speakers,,, what are they?

    I have a set of magnepan mg-iii from 83,,,, still love them,,,, still same "con", space needed to use properly.

    Dennis

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Enjoyable, but forgettable pick.. Too bad "He s gone >U.S blues was not kept complete on disc 3. 54.. I am hoping we get the first 80s bonus disc - Red Rocks 82.. come on Dave..

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Easy to go with Jim Morning Dew. The crashing crescendo at the end of the 80's period, wow.

But Stella Blue could easily slide into that postion, I think the lyrics are more touching.

For years I thought Stella Blue was a woman, then in some show, some tape, somewhere the lyrics hit me like a hammer. Now the only wonder is he slipping in to sleep or death?

Brit shows - me and a buddy can talk in Python clips (I have another friend whom I speak Honeymooners and Abbott & Costello talk). Shows we watch until lines become understood statements between friends are like conversational short hand. If you know Faulty Towers, then Manuel's "Eventually" will be understood. "Say No More".

But my favorite and I think one of the greatest tv shows ever written is "The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin".
The original one with Leonard Rossiter, NOT the remake. This show has 21 half hour episode that are so tightly written that if you laugh at one line, you miss 3. I didn't get where I am today without knowing a great Brit show! Neither Mrs CJ or I have ever missed a Reggie"

On latest troll, may we seen the last of them. At least Vguy gave him whatfor, useless I agree, but you go Vman.

xtra - that Scarlet-Fire from yesterdays 30 days is very nice (from 89)

Let's hope all that want DP 3 have good hunting tomorrow.

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But has anyone seen the release date for Dick's Vol 3 vinyl. Sure, we can order tomorrow, but when is it coming? I believe it was experience that kept us on the hook for over a year on some release,,, it did come, but you really had to wonder for a while there :-)

Hi Dennis, if past experience is any guide, the Real Gone vinyl version of DiP 3 will be released on its "for sale" date (which is Nov 14). I've bought a couple other Dicks from RG and they have shipped within a couple of days. I want to say they arrived within a week of purchase.

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Like that Vguy. I'm with you, the grieving is done, the time to start mercilessly mocking every stupid thing that happens over the next for years has begun (but not here). The sun never sets on some a$$holes

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JimInMD, I can’t argue with your twofer of “Morning Dew” performances if we’re including songs Jerry and the band covered. I should have made it clearer that I meant ones he co-wrote.

Now I think I’ll go listen again to that great version of “Stella Blue” from Hamilton on 11/4/77 (DaP 12), and then maybe "Wharf Rat" from . . .

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It's nice to see Bless Its Pointed Little Head getting some love. I have always love love loved that record.

It might be heresy to say so around these parts but I have it on pretty darned good authority from someone who was actually THERE that before 1969 Airplane was a better live band than the Dead. Listening to BIPLH this seems entirely plausible. Great playing from Jack and Jorma. Great tunes. And Gracie was unbelievable then. The Airplane crashed and burned and the Dead went on evolving and eventually became the greater, more influential band. But man, they were fun while they lasted.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to find a shrubbery.

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If your a Jazzhead, check your collection - Roy Haynes is on it.

Stopped buying after #50, for a lot of reasons, but based on what I’m reading about 52 here, this is a great one.

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How come we can't get squared up cover art for Dave's Picks? That angled picture is not really useful in any application or device.

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My favorite version is 4-22-78, in Nashville - Dave's Picks #15.

That whole show smokes....

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Send me your e-mail address in a PM and I can hook you up with the cover art.

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Wow, I go out of town for a few days and it took me five times more time than usual to catch up on this thread! Now that I have the gist of this current conversation, I will follow someone's advice and scroll through the politics.
PS I love this release!

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I enjoyed this release more than I had expected. That said, I have only played it once so far as I am still working my way through the Friend of the Devils box.

As for the rest, it's shaping up to be the greatest shit show on earth.

That was all inferred, as the person I was replying to didn't specify what the exam was, and neither did I, though he did seem to imply it was a similar experience to what we should expect for the next 4 years. I thought my comeback was pretty funny. All it shows is that you guys can dish it out, but you can't take it.

But that's not even what I was referring to by "selective censorship." I was referring to a different post in which I provided ADR report numbers for several different common drugs and vaccines. The data I posted comes directly from the World Health Organization website.

That post was deleted, but for what purpose? It insulted no one. I find that interesting.

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I still like the version from Skull and Roses. Maybe because it was the first one I ever heard. It's damn near perfect.

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'Veedon Fleece' - Van Morrison
'Boomer's Story' - Ry Cooder
'Know What I Mean?' - Cannonball Adderley w/Bill Evans
'Texas Cannonball' - Freddie King
'The Complete Quartets with Sonny Clark' - Grant Green

As always, your mileage may vary.

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....positives people. Positives! 😁

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No side nose scratchin' here! We're knuckle deep up in that {proverbial} nostril!
Anyways, yeah! I am Gratefully satisfied, loving that full Help~Slip Frank's Tower with a subtle segue into an excellent Let it Grow! Admittedly, I start the pick at Hell in a Busket, and not because of sonic patches in the duo of Alabama~>Promised Land.
I have to say, after hearing the Alabama Getaway from Dave's #47, St. Louis at the Kiel, I can't hear any other versions.
In conclusion I love this autumn '83 pick, and am ecstatic to learn it was an old gold Taper's pick back in the day, I can understand why. The melange & melody of songs after an excellent Drums~Space is truly stellar, with extra long segues between the tunes.
I've got this pick blended well with the Dave's #39 'Philly' pick from the spring tour and the 1983 MsG box shows on a mega playlist. Dick's 6 fits in well all the same, as does the 10/31 bootleg I've got.

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First off I kinda think I understand what this is even supposed to mean. Too bad I forgot which Dead thread I saw this on, probably this one because it got WaaaaaaaaY buried in the weeds. But anyways, as far as my collection goes which is many iTunes digital and Dead.net stuff since 2018~ish I would throw out there this.

Dave's #31 Chicago 12/3/79 to Dave's #47 St. Louis 12/9/79 {match up the extra 12/4 filler from each pick and place it accordingly} .....then on to Dick's #5 Oakland 12/26/79 and Road Trips Vol.3,No.1 12/28/79.

The June 1990 Eugene, OR Dave's #44 pick to the July Deer Creek Dave's #40 double show release pick would qualify as a mini box too I would imagine?

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You got it RYXS. And while I was specifically referring to closely related releases in the DaP series you can expand it to include all the archival releases from a particular period.

In the thread for Friend of the Devils, for example, I mentioned "Turn on Your Lovelight: 11/2/69 to 2/2/70"; you could add 11/8/69 (DiP 16) to that one, as well as some shows - two I think - from the Download Series. (I don't own any downloads).

I know Dave gets a lot of stick for his spiel about "well this show was almost released back in ___ instead of ____". But perhaps some of these DaPs were originally meant to be part of a box set. Whatever the case I'm glad we now have them. And I'm looking forward to the third DaP from "Summer 1990" whenever it gets released.

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Totally off topic but, who you got tomorrow? Mike Tyson or Jake Paul? Anyone else curious to see how it goes? Those early Tyson fights were something to see, he just knocked people out quick. Wondering if he can pull it off at 58 against a 27 year old. My 26 year old son argues that Tyson has no chance but given that I'm pretty much the same age as Tyson, I like to think he could win it. I may have to sign up for Netflix so that I can watch, could be interesting.

I really like this West LA, particularly what Bob is doing throughout :)

Man, I love those two late December '79 releases, to my ears they are unique and much better than even the beginning of the month.

The RSD 2019 Warfield disc is on Amazon for 20 bucks, which is confusing, but I was happy to finally get one. I don't think it's a reissue.

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on the Tinley Park '90 videos. I know we all like to get completely immersed in the sound, but for me, seeing Jerry's fingers up close and doin' the work is about as good as it gets.

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That was a brutal ten pages to scroll through.

First off, I like this pick fine. I had always written off 1983, but the Boise show and this one are pretty solid. I don't care for the Spring Philly show though or the Philly 1984 show. I think I am going to pass on the subscription this year for the first time since year 3 and pick up shows a la carte as needed. I was never a completist in my show collecting, just wanted good examples from years and I am feeling a bit saturated at this point. Plus, I sense economic headwinds on the horizon and collecting Dead shows may be a sacrifice to be made. Hope I am wrong about that. We'll see, maybe once they announce #54 I will change my mind.

I like the list of favorites in the DaP series. The Wichita 11/17/72 show was one I actually didn't expect to like and it is one of my favorites. One of my favorite moments in the series is in the Philly Spectrum show 1973-- what I call the 'Backwards Dark Star.' They do the 'space jam' after Truckin' and transition into a short little 4-minute Dark Star. The crowd seems to understand what they witnessed and roars after the verses. Love it.

Oh yeah, Wharf Rat-- that Nashville one is the very best, but the Scranton 1971 release reminded me how very fine the early versions are with Pigpen's haunting organ. Don't get me started on ballads, not a big fan. That said, I never considered Wharf Rat one of Jerry's ballads, just a good rock song.

Stealth boxes-- love that late March and early April 1973 one. He also put out a Fall 1977 stealth box with Colgate, Dekalb and Binghampton over the course of the series, plus there is at least one show in early November 1977 in the Dick's series. Lots of shows from Fall 1971 in the DaP series, too-- Felt Forum, Ann Arbor, Albuquerque.

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DiP 3 is one of my favorite releases. Will sound great on vinyl!
Listened to it often when all I had was the first 25 DiPs. Then I got a computer and all hell broke loose. Now running out of room for it all, lol.
Cheers
And I see Dennis is in too (on other thread)

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A couple comments

First, I am a sucker for underdogs. Second, I'd like to think Mike Tyson today is a different man than Young Mike Tyson. He appears to have turned a corner at some point, probably when he was in prison. Not saying is has aways been a terrific human, but the new Mike is a little bit likeable.

He has been seen at least once hanging out with Bob Weir, which sort of ties this conversation to the band beyond description. Finally, there is at least one story floating around that he died while on acid and of course came back home probably with a different view on the details of life.

Plus, there's his cameo in the Hangover. I'm pulling for Mike.

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....seen recent videos of him training on TV. He's still a beast. Plus, Paul is a lil' bi*ch!
Edit. Tyson is a self-admitted shroom indulger.
Edit again. DiP 3 is sold out.

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Dick's Picks 3 is one of the greatest releases by any band, EVER!!
Just my two cents, and it ain't worth one.

Makes me sorta wish I had a turntable, though.

Be Well People!
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Grabbed the Warfield 2019 show. Much, much, much Appreciated!

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Finally Dead.net sent a new one. Just received, haven't had chance to listen to it but looking forward.

Thanks TPTB!

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Hey Jim. Got excited today because I ordered Dicks 3 on vinyl. Haven't been here for quite some time and generally miss it. I miss the banter with you, Vguy and some others. Anyhow....hope all is well. Good to see all you good folk are keeping it alive. Be good.
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The vinyl was for RSD but I don’t think that the CD was ‘limited’.

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Right on Brother. And right back at you! I assumed you were one of the ones we lost building a tunnel under the vault on the Fee the 1968 Reels project.

It seems the closer we get to the vault the more they look like the roadrunner and the more we look like Wile E. Coyote.

Great to see you man. Been years.

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You'd think Deadheads would be on board with this...

"FDA’s war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by Pharma. If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you: 1. Preserve your records, and 2. Pack your bags."

- RFK Jr. Oct. 25, 2024

He was just named as the next Secretary of Health and Human Services.

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....apparently the DiP 3 vinyl isn't a pre-order. Just got a shipping notice.

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Pembroke shall be mine.

In other news Dicks 33 on vinyl $152 Amazon. Just came today.

Incredible upgrade from cd. Highly, highly recommend. I'm drifting sweetly away and casually melting.

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Agreed. One of the best releases of either series. Nothing short of sublime. Thank you all for the heads up. Grabbed a copy and can’t wait until I purchase a turntable.

Many, many years ago I went to Fort Lauderdale for winter break. Towards the end of the week, we found ourselves on an extended bender at some generic tiki bar drinking mai tais by the gallon. Towards the end of the night, some obnoxious dude settles in at the bar and starts bothering everyone. Spewing nonstop about BS that nobody wanted to hear. I reached into my pocket to purchase another drink and realized that I was down to my last one dollar. Realizing my dilemma and assessing my options, I placed my one dollar bill on the bar and calmly slid it over to our unwanted guest. “Please go away” is all I said.

HCS - I ask the same of you.

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This is not the place for this. Really, it is not. Take your shart like retoric and go away or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time.

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.....$155 for 8 records? (checks site).
Dayum.
Also one of my favorite releases.
Purchased.
I knew getting a record player a couple of years ago would be detrimental to my credit card. 5% cash back though!
I'm going back to New Mexico for an hour or two.

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Pretty, pretty good

Nice companion show to 9/11/83

Of course, 9/10/83 would have a TRUE companion show

If they only had asked me

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