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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    If you didn't already know, all vinyl on here is on sale, 25% off

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    This arrived today - I am waiting for the right moment to play it. I agree with Delhead - the older releases hold more fascination for me than most of what has come out in recent years. Vinyl re-issues are my favourite Dead releases these days. Especially ones released as Dicks Picks in the 90's, so there is an appreciable improvement in sound. Not that I have ever checked this out - but I assume its true.

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    If you search "best Dead shows" (or something akin to that) on the interwebs you will generate numerous best of lists curated by all kinds of sources. I've browsed these lists occasionally, looking for a "universally" acclaimed show that hasn't been officially released. From my observations, no data to support it, it seems that most of the "best, most desired" shows have already been released. A few haven't due to no available, releasable recordings.

    So after the cream has been skimmed from the top, what Dave is dealing with is a great many good shows that are all very similar. Some transcendent moments, some not so good moments. Some good recordings, some not so good. I have seen messages on this board similar to "right street, wrong house". I think this contributes to having larger boxes, because it seems impossible to cherry pick shows anymore.

    For myself, I am in the "smaller" box camp. In my opinion the Winterland boxes were perfect, in size, number of shows and a little swag. I have been a Dave Picks subscriber since the beginning but I am hesitating on continuing this year. I'm sure the 1976 show is good. But I have found myself going back to older releases. The last one I recently listened to was Dicks 12. A fabulous release that I can listen to over and over. I'm not sure the last few Dave's Picks are close to that standard for me, where I would listen to them over and over. Like many others have mentioned, an Ark box would have me lining up to buy.

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    10/31/70 , 10/31/69, & 2/17/79

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    I would think next year would ( or should) focus on 1970 inclusive going backwards and 1990 inclusive going forwards.

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    Thinking ahead to what Dave might be eyeing for 2025, we know Vol 53 is 1976. Let's recap the last three years of Dave's. That's 12 volumes:

    3 x 1977 (41, 45, 50)
    2 x 1971 (48, 51)
    1 ea 1972 (46) and 1974 (42) - both w/ bonus discs
    4 x Brent (44, 47, 49, 52) - '90, '79, '85, and '83 respectively
    'Filler' show across two volumes -- 1970 Kiel Opera House complete show

    And let's mention the 2022-2024 box sets: 1978, 1973, and MSG '81-'83.

    The observant among you will note that I've left out one release: Vol 43, which contained two 1969 shows. That issue marks only the 2nd time the Dave's series has visited 1969. And as Dave observed in the liner notes for #43, it was the first time they'd picked a Pigpen-era show since Vol 30, which was released in Spring 2019... 13 releases prior.

    So if we just look at "what year hasn't Dave visited recently", and if we consider that Volume 54 is a bonus disc release, then 1973 stands out, as it's a great year with plenty of material still unreleased - and the last Dave's release from 1973 was Vol 38. But the HCS box is perhaps a strike against this particular year. And ofc, Dave keeps going back to the '71 well - and there's plenty there for a great release + a bonus disc. Same goes for Fall '72. And if any of those March '77 Winterland shows have flaws or a missing reel, it could be a prime candidate for this year's bonus disc, with a complete neighboring night as the main release (and history shows Dave favors '77.)

    Back to 1969: with Vol 43 being the last time Dave hit '69, it does seem like 2025 could be the year to revisit. I think one challenge is that the shows typically aren't the "right" length for the 3-CD format. The bonus disc format could work really well here, though - two '69 shows over 4 discs could fit. 1968 is the ultimate wild card - what's in the vault, and can it be made to sound good enough for prime time? Maybe a '69 show takes 2 CDs and then the third CD gets whatever exists from a '68 show? I suspect these considerations are one reason why the Dave's series hasn't released that much primal Grateful Dead - trying to balance the CD format with the quality of the show(s) and the recordings, as well as what may or may not be in the vault - well, it's probably more straightforward to just keep autopiloting the '77 stuff.

    HOWEVER -- if you start thinking about the Box for 2025, it's the 60th anniversary year. And no box sets have included any material from the 1960s since 30 Trips in 2015 - and before that, Fillmore West in 2005. A box with '68 AND '69 would be a fitting tribute. We're all agreed that we just want the music - it can be "Road Trips" style where complete shows aren't a prerequisite - and personally I think such a box would sell out faster than Here Comes Sunshine did. Add whatever is serviceable from September 1970 and people will cut off limbs to secure their copies. Dave, are ya listening, laddie?!? Will ye grant our fervent wishes? (And folks at Rhino, if a box like this were to happen, please bump the release count up to 12 or even 15K for the good of humanity - you KNOW this will sell out)

    Well as the kids say today, holy essaying. Sorry for the wall. I should go to bed...

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    When was the last mini box, anyway? RFK in 2017? That was a late release - November 10 - I wonder if perhaps they wanted to juice holiday sales. But anyway, it's been quite interesting reading folks' ideas. For example, I saw the March '77 three-night stand suggested... there's some of the best '77 material to still be quietly moldering in the vault. The idea of a Vince-era mini box also seems logical - if you're in for Shoreline August '91, you're probably down with all three days, not just the 16th and its first-set Dark Star. The Hornsby-less Feb '91 Oakland stand is another fertile field.

    And I'd second what JiminMD said, all of it. None of us are getting any younger. I have come around to viewing Dave's role (and Jeffrey Norman's) as one not just of opportunity and good fortune, but as one of blessed duty. For I, too, came to regard Grateful Dead music as church. How astonishing that Bear managed to record as much as he did. While we know the vault shelves for 1968 are akin to swiss cheese, that music is very special. I know many of us have filled our SSDs with whatever we need, but this music shouldn't be just for the acolytes: it needs to be heard widely, played loudly.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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(As the inimitable Firesign Theatre has pointed out):
"We're all bozos on this bus."

Rock on Doc! You're the best, brother! Onward.

…from us all to Mr&Mrs Doc!
Strength in numbers!

And Gobble,gobble, gobble to the rest of ya turkeys ; )
Buurrpp, opps, scusey : )

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Now tthhaatt, is something to be thankful for!
Rest up bro, I’m sure you still have a long road ahead.
Good thing you have lots of GOGD and love to see you through!
Be Well amigo!

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Sending love and positive vibes to Doc and the Mrs.

May the light bring her Home and carry you, Doc, onward and upward!

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anybody confirm if 31 days of december will be up this year. Anyone poke around to find?

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Yes, look at 30 days post minutes ago.
Cheers
(Edit: Ed is doing it again - 31 days of dead on instagram)

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Is anyone else having difficulty opening the COMMENTS SECTION tab in DaP 2025 Subscription page?

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I'm not having trouble opening the COMMENTS SECTION tab in DaP 2025 Subscription page, rather it just doesn't work and cannot be opened. No "page not found" message or something similar, just nuthin'.

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The ‘early bird’ comments page still works, it’s only the full price version that’s missing!

Edit: You have to use the drop down menu because the front page link to early bird ordering doesn’t work anymore.

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VGUY72
The IMPREC kickstarter looks like it’s got over the target so you should be getting the album. I’ll stick to the CD I bought a long time ago.

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There are still a few hours to go if anyone else feels like contributing.

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I don't know what IMPREC kickstarter is, but I would get this if it came out on vinyl.

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I can't believe y'all. . . Look what you made me do! Where's Dennis's wife's credit card when you need it?

So now its my turn to tempt anybody that's still on the fence (only 5 hours until the kickstarter ends):

kickstarter
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The kickstarter is a way that the record label IMPREC are using to raise $40000 to repress Greyfolded on vinyl. Since they have hit that target the repress should happen. There are still a few hours left to take part in the pre-order process. Try typing greyfolded kickstarter into your choice of search engine and you should find it. It’s likely that once they do commit to the repress they will accept further orders on the IMPREC website. Their website is always worth a look since they produce a lot of interesting stuff. The release may also turn up on other sites but they don’t always.

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....I knew I was at the right place.
Just recieved Susanna Hoffs (of The Bangles) - The Lost Record in the mail today. Crushes die hard, what can I say? Spinning now.

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Thanks Colin. I've never come across this sort of thing before. I've ticked my support for the release, so I think I've ordered a copy, should it be come out. Looks very attractive.
I got a Black Friday release delivered earlier today - a vinyl release of Tangerine Dream live in Glasgow 11/20/74.

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Now that's a CD I havent heard in long time

Next road trip

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Now that's a CD I havent heard in long time

Next road trip

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PMs back at you.
Cheers

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....the kickstarter was successful!
Thanks for the assistance.
Cool shit.
Then they link other projects that are in the works.
Cool.
I find happiness where I can find it.

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I have been subscribing for a few years now and I think I recall that the 2nd quarterly release {#54 with bonus disc} announcements come with the December online newsletter. That will be the second week in December? If I'm wrong someone will correct my statement.

Anyways,.... I used that nationwide corporate holiday discount on one of them Earth Day shirts I had been eyeing on for awhile now, since April. My only complaint is that the one I bought should've been a desert sage green to go with the Joshua Tree.

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My, admittedly faulty, memory says that the second release is announced just before the subscription window closes. Probably in December.
Speaking of faulty memory I recently bought a deck to play my very old vinyl. It was either that or give it away. I dug out a Sarah Ogun Gunning album expecting it to have a version of ‘I am a Union Woman’ on it. If I did bet I’d have thought it was a sure thing. Of course, it didn’t. It did have ‘ I hate the Capitalist System’ though. Searching my memory I realised the track I expected was on a Ewan MaColl and Peggy Seeger album but the years have created false equivalences.

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I'm guessing a 69 with a Dark Star Suite, the bonus being a cobbled together portion of a neighboring show.

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Howdy, anyone know where the download links are posted on Instagram for 31 Days? Peace!

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That makes sense. After the Early Bird special ends, but while you can still order the subscription.

Otherwise, why announce it if not to entice subscriptions. So sometime in the next few weeks.

I have a good feeling about 54. '69 would be fine, but I'm hoping '73. I guess we'll see.

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Rudy Van Gelder is to Jazz what Betty Cantor-Jackson is to The Grateful Dead.

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Just a trippy title is all no more there, I have no insider information here, just speculations. Though by my calculations there is a strong possibility that for 2025 we may see both a release from 1969 & 1973. If not `69 then maybe autumn '70? That era I am still hazy on but think one is coming from there either way. Banana Box Boogie on New Speedways!

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Any info on what the next Daves Vinyl will be.. ? (fingers crossed for vol. 8..)

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If the "whispers on the breeze" thing is meant to be an actual clue, the only song I can think of that it could be a reference to is Broken Arrow. Which according to the Internet was first played by the GD on 2.23.93 at the Oakland Coliseum in a show that featured Ornette Coleman on four songs. I would think Ornette's presence complicates the legalities involved, but I suppose if Dave was determined to break into the Vince era, he could do worse than to put that one out.

I'd sure rather have some '69, or '73. But it's not up to me, now is it?

In any case, the second title in each year's subscription series usually gets announced shortly after the 'early bird' discount expires. So pretty, pretty soon.

Last five!

Flaming Lips: Clouds Taste Metallic
Jefferson Airplane: Volunteers
GOGD: Reckoning
Karajan/BPO: Mahler 9
Joe Henderson: Power to the People

I bet the Coleman estate would have no problem authorizing Dave & Co. to release the 93 show he sat in on. It would give them a little scratch (not much), but more importantly would broaden his legacy and expose more people to his music.

Of course, nobody knows for sure but the stakeholders of each group.

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10/31/70 plus filler.. The tapes are in the vault and they sound great!

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54, is that how many inches of snow fell in Buffalo OB?

Congrats on the big win.

Two to three weeks to go until announcement.

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Shows played in Buffalo:

03/17/70- Kleinhans Music Hall - Buffalo, NY
03/31/73- War Memorial Auditorium - Buffalo, NY
09/26/73- War Memorial Auditorium - Buffalo, NY
05/09/77- War Memorial Auditorium - Buffalo, NY
01/20/79- Shea's Theater - Buffalo, NY
11/09/79- War Memorial Auditorium - Buffalo, NY
09/26/81- War Memorial Auditorium - Buffalo, NY
07/04/86- Rich Stadium - Buffalo, NY

The 77 show has been released. This can only mean the soundboard for 1/20/79 has turned up and we are finally going to get one of the 79 Dark Stars cleaned up and Normanized.

That would be something...

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You guys are funny ; )
That would be something…but we only whisper about such things very late at night…

77, 89, and p/o 11/1/79 are out.
wish they’d done all of 11/1.

Don’t forget Rich 90, 92 & 93.

Wouldn’t Kleinhans be something!!! The holy grail?
3/31/73, 7/16/90, and mos def 9/26/81 are worthy!
9/26/73 is ok, but not the “horn” show I’d pick.

Fun game though, unless your a niners fan. Its been unfortunately a frustrating year for them!
Almost makes me miss it back in the tundra…not really lol,
but I used to live 3-4 miles from the stadium BITD.
VIKS are fun too, but I don’t think my heart could take it if I wasn’t once removed lol
They fortunately usually pull it off, but it can be hard to watch lol

Edit: or Hell, I’d even take 1/10/79 and a good chunk of set 2 from 1/20/79 on a for disc, if it got it out, but alas, don’t think I’ll ever get any 1/20 : (

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10-31-91
Filler and bonus disc 11-3-91.

Of course, there’s a lot of guests between those two shows that would have to agree to the release:
Ken (I suspect that he would agree)
Gary
Popper
Young
Fogerty
Baez

Getting all those legalities worked out would probably be harder than getting the ABB stakeholders to agree to a release.
But that did finally happen with 6-10-73.
So, an alternate 54 + bonus disc is 7-27,28-73. HendrixFreak is due.

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I have really enjoyed this release. Had heard about Santa Fe 83 for long time but never listened to them. Great show. The Althea and He’s Gone are two highlights for me. I love a He’s Gone with an outro jam. The filler is also killer on this. Really nice !
I was very happy with my subscription this year. Last years shows didn’t do it as well for me. I really enjoyed the Frost 85 set. Another show I had never heard. Lots of highlights there. Love a good Crazy Fingers.
The DP series has been really heavy on 77 and 71 but I enjoyed those shows this year also. I liked this years 77 shows. Lots of great music there. Listening recently to the 71 release and I really enjoy the third disc from Pittsburgh. Solid year. Thank you Dave and Company!
I subscribed at early bird for next year. I’m stoked on the 76 release - first Dave’s from Ohio ?? So many great shows there…
I hope others here are correct. I would love a 69 release for the second show this year. My wish would be two dark stars and one love light and not the other way around. LOL
Hope you all are well. Keep the faith. Music heals. Turn it up!

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I also enjoyed this year's selections - including disc 2 of Scranton and Especially disc 3 from Pittsburgh + the Frost shows and Santa Fe ... I'm subscribed again so as not to miss the bonus disc in this 'special' year. Yes, hoping for some '69 or, with luck, some late '70 goodness! Bring it, Dave!!! (Please and Thank you)

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2/17/79, fantastic show, tapes are in the vault.

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....is also vaulted.
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Maybe that would be more boxish. It that a word?? Is now!

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....regarding sales. So many sales. So many roads, to feed my card.
Choose wisely.
If you do your homework, there are some smokin' Deals out there.
That elusive Buffalo Symphony show would definitely be one, because i would pay.

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79 you say? I'm in.

Yes, OB, those Vikes don't make it easy but somehow are 10-2.

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12/1
Bonus 11/30
#54

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Still wading through 1978 here. Speaking of which, 4/14/78 is, to my ears, the most enjoyable show in the box since the first one. I don't know if it's a case of absence making the heart grow fonder, but everything on the first cd sounds top notch. The show the others were leading towards perhaps. Maybe it's just me.

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to thank all the people who made all november downloads possible. Great tunes once again, day 18 in Pembroke among my favorite jam with day 30 austin72; a pleasure to meet all my november friends, Esau, Sugaree, Peter , Cassidy, Althea to name a few. Glad to see you enjoy the Santa Fe show.

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We've been waiting WAY too long for this one. I declare that show to have the best all-time Sugaree and He's Gone. In the mid 90's my cassette got stuck in my girlfriend's car for like 6 months, drove her insane

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Too bad they can't cancel that '76 show for 53 and replace it with ALL of 12 6 73. My apologies go out to all the 1976 fans.

Road Trips from 2011 includes about 77 minutes of that December 73 show, including the massive 43-minute Dark Star.
But that entire show needs a space on the shelf.

Maybe that's what they're planning for 54 with bonus material.

A big 'who knows' shrug comin' at ya. More likely: not gonna happen.

Plus, we all know 1969 and 1970 are glowing in some kiln ready to be fully fired!

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