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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • pomo1
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    Nice Analogy Lopezz
    Thanks for the explanation from us less technically knowledgeable souls. Does the same thing happen each time you save or copy a .wav file? From what I can gather from this topic, the answer would be no. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Thanks for the explanation Lopezz
    A few weeks ago I tried converting an mp3 to wav just to see what would happen and the file ended up being a cda file when it was all said and done. cda files are the format you get if you buy a CD from the store. So I thought that was weird. I don't care that much as I would never convert mp3 to wav or flac anyways but I just wanted to understand it better... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    flac vs mp3
    A lot of you probably do not use audio editing software, but Mp3's are pretty much useless in that area. When I open a 50mb flac format song in Cool Edit Pro or Adobe Audition, it uncompresses to almost a gigabyte. Thats just one 10min song. I use this to get rid of tape hiss, or try and smooth over a tape flip. When I save the flac file in flac format it does not lose any information. I can open it and save it as often as I like and the information remains. Mp3's on the other hand will lose a little information every time I save them. For example, If the song were a painting: Compressing it in flac format would be like rolling it up and putting it in a tube. It would look the same the next time you open it. Compressing it in Mp3 format would be like folding it up and putting it in your pocket. Each time you opened it and put it away the folds and creases would get worse. A tale tell sign of an Mp3 in this condition is when no matter how loud you turn the voice and lead guitar sound muffeled. If you like Mp3's, cool. I use them in my Zen player and my wifes ipod. I dont see anything wrong with a Mp3 vine either. I sent That Nice Hippy Guy a Sublime concert in Mp3 format. It sounded pretty good! But please dont encode Mp3 back to flac. They will get mistaken for the real thing if the recipients of the file do not have the software to distinguish between the two. Thanks( I guess thats my 2 cents)
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    fluffhead
    That's exactly what I do too. With a few CDs sprinkled in for good measure. I haven't found a way to flawlessly listen to my ipod in the car yet so that's where CDs are nice. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    i hear you...
    but has anyone tested it? Just take take two cds, both with the same jam...one in mp3 format, one lossless (don't label which is which)...mix em up....and of course listen on the same speakers to control the experiment......after the fact write your guess as to which is which and see if u can tell a difference....I have not done this test myself but my theory is there would be no discernable difference between the two. That being said, I keep my shows in Lossless format on my external hard drive for archiving and compress to mp3 for personal use. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    It's Loss
    Well, you have heard of lossless; MP3 is loss. If you convert the same audio file to wav and MP3, the MP3 file is smaller, and the bit rate is smaller too. Does it really matter? No. Does an MP3 sound good? Yes. But purists do not like MP3 because it does have subtle audio differences. Think of an MP3 as a second or third generation tape.
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    So can anyone enlighten me..
    What exactly gets "lost" when converting to MP3?? I'm with some of you guys - I think MP3's on an ipod sound awesome. I haven't been able to figure out what I'm "missing" with an MP3?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • fluffhead042
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    I dig....
    Yeah man, I dig mp3 too...I generally convert all of my lossless to mp3 (and keep the shnflac on an external hard drive) Mp3's are smokin.... I can groove for hours on end with no break of the vibe....put in a fatty mp3 disc and call it a day!!! I love it!!! (plus I cannot tell a difference on my car stereo or home stereo for that matter...with most shows)BUT....I still keep my Lossless archive for future listening/conversions when mp3's are obsolete....shnflac or lossless allows your collection to last the test of time....and we all need something 'built to last' "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    I'm with Estim8ed...
    I too remember the not so distant days of trading tapes. mp3 at a decent bit rate puts me right where I need to be. Even when listening on headphones at high volume, every instrument is clear and crispy. I'll leave the archiving to the archivists, I want to listen. the 120gb of live Dead on my iPod keeps me groovin' down the road His job is to shed light, not to master...
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    Good morning everybody. I got the urgent message in my inbox to get over here. I have a lot of reading and catching up to do. I will say this, with all the new vines being proposed, I feel like I am drowning. There is SO MUCH stuff to keep track of. Thanks for all your efforts. I wish I had more to contribute.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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thinking of you both.....please drop by to say hi when the time is right.
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I have been away for a while. I finally sent the 69 Vine on to Derek. So many issues with this site and also having personal issues makes it hard to maintain my enthusiasm. I also will not spend money on releases when I have no clue what shows will be included. Its insulting. However, I will be forever grateful to Mary and this site and all the viners. I now have tons of music that i will always cherish. Also, the site rejuvenated my interest in the Dead, as I got off the bus in 1985 and got back on 20 years later. Looking forward to seeing Furthur at MSG Thursday, and in Atlantic City Sat. night. Thanks again to all.
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It appears that Nathan (Long Dead) has taken a break from vining. I have been unsuccessful in any attempts to contact him. Not that there is anything wrong with taking a break since I myself will be on one. However, I did send him my Nov 1970 Vine which I will have to re-seed after only one person which sucks but it's life. If there are any vines anyone is on that are stuck with him, could we please make a list or post it in the proper thread? Also I request his name be placed at the bottom of any list he is on or removed entirely until we hear from him. The most important thing in the vineyard is to keep the music moving so I do not mean this as a personal attack. These are the vines I know of that are stuck with him: November 1970 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/november-1970-vine December 1986 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/december-1986-vine If I need to reseed the 1986 Vine, please pm me. Also, it appears Riley (sportzfreak260) is holding up some vines too (some from June it appears). Has anyone heard from him? Take care and happy vining to all -Jake
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I was wondering if any one else in the vineyard does geocaching? My wife and I have found a small "travel bug" in a local cache and would like to send it some where further than another local cache. PM me if you play and are interested. Robert
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Is on its way to John Parker. I couldn't find the thread anywhere...
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Glad to see Keith was able to post the reseeds for the vines I sent his way. With so much going on, I really wanted to get these out before the holidays so thank you Keith for helping me (and the vineyard). A lot of the long-term viners here have these but for the newer members in the vineyard community, jump on board. You will not be disappointed. Since I am taking time off from the vineyard, I'd like to wish everyone an early Happy Holidays and Happy New Year. Best wishes to all and your families, -Jake
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Happy Holidays Dead-Heads!I have a bunch of old seeds that I would like to try to get moving again, but when I do a search for the vine and then post a message, It dosen't appear under the stickies. I guess the message is there, but it remains burried on a high page number and no one sees it. I imagine this might be part of the reason for dead vines (no pun intended). Any recomendations? Peace, Chris
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Why is the Meta topic so hard to get to.I used to just go to the Vineyard, and the sticky was right there. Now, I either have to do a search for it, or go to tapers, etc. Is the site stilled having problems for anyone else? Peace, Chris
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Many problems :(
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I had another hard drive bite the dust while I was out on holiday. I have an old drive I can replace it with but I am missing a part. Does anyone out there have an old external drive that doesn't work any more they would be willing to part with? I don't need the hard drive itself just the chip that the usb and power plug into. Any brand will work too, in fact the only brand that won't work is a western digital my book essential. PM me if you might have one, thanks Robert
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I'm probably not posting this in the right place, but........having trouble converting shn files on my new macbook. Any suggestions??
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Hey gang,Does anyone know of an easy to use program that can tag cover art to MP3 files? (for ex: some nice artwork was created for the "30 Days of the Dead" MP3's. How do I tag the artwork to the files?) Thanks! Peace, Chris
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Try itunes. At the top of itunes click "File" then "Add file to library..." or "Add folder to library..." if you want to add them all at once. After the song has imported to itunes, find it , left click on it to highlight it click "File" at the top again then click "Get info". Here you can put all the tags in including artwork. After you are done if you want to give the Mp3 to someone else right click on it hit "copy" then hit "paste" on your desktop and your new Mp3 will appear with tags and artwork embedded.
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Thanks for welcoming me aboard the vine. Im misplaced in Costa Rica andneed the fellowship here.
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...i am moving in a couple of weeks so please pm me for my new address before sending me any vines.
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to these shows a lot lately. I doubt there is enough intrest in a vine, but if anyone wants copies PM me. Adele Live In Session On MBE - KCRW FM 2011 Live IN WXPN World Cafe 2011-02-04 8 april 2011 paradiso amsterdam. Regina Spektor Live In Session On MBE - KCRW FM 2009 2010-07-03 Heineken Open'er Festival 2010 Corona Capital Festival 2010-10-16 Live at Sydney Opera House, Sydney 2010-04-27 29 June 2006 BBC Broadcasting House, London. Bonnaroo Music Festival June 13, 2010 She & Him Bimbo's 365 Club November 3, 2008 Santa Cruz, CA May 28, 2010 2010.07.06 Terminal 5 New York, NY Lykke Li - Live In Session On MBE - KCRW FM 2011
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Some friends of mine are making a documentary of the Ozark Music Festival . It was a three day festival in my home town (Sedalia, MO) that took place July 19-21 1974. If you can find any recordings from these artists from this time time let me know. Bachman–Turner Overdrive Blue Öyster Cult The Eagles America Marshall Tucker Band The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Boz Scaggs Ted Nugent David Bromberg Leo Kottke Cactus The Earl Scruggs Revue Lynyrd Skynyrd Electric Flag Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band Joe Walsh and Barnstorm The Souther Hillman Furay Band The Ozark Mountain Daredevils Charlie Daniels Band Triphammer Bill Quateman Fresh Start Babe Ruth Locomotiv GT Aerosmith Shawn Phillips REO Speedwagon Spirit You can PM me here or email me at: Higher-Than-The-Sun@hotmail.com
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Just saw this posted on deadlists (From July 10, 2012): Back in 2009, Charlie Miller circulated a lone Midnight Hour "from an unknown show": He wrote: "This Midnight Hour was on the end of Rob Eaton's 2/14/70 Dat, which he got from Dick Latvala. It was labeled as the encore. Obviously, it's not from 2/14/70. You can tell by the mix that it is from 1968." Actually, this Midnight Hour is the encore from the Family Dog, 9/6/69. David Lemieux has included this a couple times on the dead.net Taper's Section. Only the first 45 minutes of the show have circulated. The Vault just has the last two songs, Casey Jones & Midnight Hour. Jefferson Airplane played after the Dead - in fact, on the Taper's Section clip you can hear Garcia saying after MH, "Jefferson Airplane, coming up next."
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Just saw this posted on deadlists (From July 10, 2012): Back in 2009, Charlie Miller circulated a lone Midnight Hour "from an unknown show": http://archive.org/details/gd1968-00-00.sbd.miller.97671.flac16 He wrote: "This Midnight Hour was on the end of Rob Eaton's 2/14/70 Dat, which he got from Dick Latvala. It was labeled as the encore. Obviously, it's not from 2/14/70. You can tell by the mix that it is from 1968." Actually, this Midnight Hour is the encore from the Family Dog, 9/6/69. David Lemieux has included this a couple times on the dead.net Taper's Section. http://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/august-29-september-4-2011 Only the first 45 minutes of the show have circulated. The Vault just has the last two songs, Casey Jones & Midnight Hour. Jefferson Airplane played after the Dead - in fact, on the Taper's Section clip you can hear Garcia saying after MH, "Jefferson Airplane, coming up next."
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To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
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you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
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Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
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'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
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I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
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Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
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I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
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Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
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You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!