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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    This book, by religion writer Dan Lattin, is right on topic! It uses biographical profiles of Timothy Leary, Huston Smith, Andrew Weil, and Richard Alpert (Ram Dass), who came together at Harvard during the early sixties, experimented with psychedelics, and influenced religion, culture, and health in ways we now take for granted. I wrote an Amazon review of the book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Harvard-Psychedelic-Club-ebook/dp/B003100UOM/… There is a group on Facebook, and the author participates. Barbara
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    that "G-d gene"
    I have a hypothesis that Deadheads tend to be "religious types" - even the atheists among us. Three distinct ideas: belief in a diety, affiliation with a particular organized religious group, pursuit of certain kinds of "mystical" experiences for SERIOUS lack of a better term. I've never met a Deadhead who did not fall into the last category.
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    Amen, Johnman!
    I'll be praying that your employment situation is soon resolved. Keep the faith, brother!
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    in reading your post gonzo, i found myself drifting twixt confusion and understanding, but i see inklings of other religious teachings, or at least similarities. we truly are all connected and it is better to care for others before ones self....or so i believe.
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    On Taking Refuge In The Three Jewels This is the answer that comes from many high Rinpoches through their teaching. When I hear the teaching and I do study, contemplation and meditation that teaching becomes a part of me. Especially the part where they say if you don't understand Refuge in the Three Jewels then you aren't a Buddhist. I think faith is good enough for all else in Buddhism except for this one thing. You HAVE TO know it from the mind and the heart both. Like you said, it is really, really important. So, in order to understand Refuge you must understand the meaning of the word Refuge. Refuge means to seek shelter from something bad. A place that allows you to be away from the bad thing or things. So, what is the bad thing or things? Birth, sickness, old age and death. In other words, the cycle of existence. You are going to die. After you die, where will you go? What kind of body will you take in the 3 realms of samsara and 6 levels of existence? 3 realms of samsara are the Form, Formless and Desire Realms. Within the Desire realm are the six levels of existence: The gods (or devas); The demigods (titans or asuras); The humans; The Hungry Ghosts and the hell beings. So beings of the desire realm will take rebirth according to their good or bad karma in one of these six levels. There are extraordinary human beings who through their meditative contemplation and absorptions take rebirth in the form and formless realms where they enjoy the fruit of their steady concentration and then fall back to the desire realm after their store of good karma runs out. So here I have introduced the two things that are very fundamental to Buddhist refuge: The cycle of samsaric existence that we experience through karmic acts and reincarnation. It doesn't matter if we create the good or bad karma, we are still on the wheel of suffering existence that goes around and around through limitless lifetimes. When we experience the good we have pleasure when we experience the bad we have pain. That is the samsara. So, if you understand this then the mind, YOUR mind, becomes tired of this. It is a question of becoming more subtle and realizing something beyond your every day mind that wants only the pleasurable material things or even just love and happiness because even happiness and pleasure are just called "The golden chains" that bind (tie) you to the wheel of cyclic existence. So, becoming weary (tired) of the pain and pleasure alternating through countless lifetimes one comes to know that there is only one way to be free of the fears of samsaric cyclic existence. That is through the Buddha, who is the skillful physiscian (doctor) who gives (administers) the Dharma (truth of the ultimate nature of reality) which is the medicine. The sangha are the skillful nurses who help the Buddha to give this medicine. The sangha is divided roughly into 2 parts: The monks and nuns (ordained ones who wear robes) who are the first ones traveling the path to Buddhahood through living pure lives of vows and morality and the lay (householders) people who believe in the Buddha and live in community and raise families. So it is through faith and reliance on these three Jewels that we find refuge from the fears of cyclic existence. That is why at the beginning of every Buddhist practice we start with "I take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha. Through the merit from giving and other good deeds, may I attain enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings." And this introduces the last part of refuge. When we truly realize the unbelievable great suffering of cyclic existence we become very afraid. Very, very afraid of taking uncontrolled rebirth according to our karma from this and many previous lifetimes. We bow (Prostrate with our body, speech and mind) and take refuge in Buddha, Dharma and Sangha from the very depths of our being. We want to be free forever from this suffering and we work like crazy the rest of our lives to do it. Because we (I) don't want to suffer anymore. This is the basic refuge of the HINAYANA (Theravadin). It is selfish, for me only. When we meditate further we understand that it is not only I who am suffering. It is all the other sentient beings that are suffering equally. We realize that we have to help all other sentient beings gain freedom from samsaric suffering. When we work for their sake as well as ours, this becomes the greater vehicle of the Mahayana Refuge. Still, if we meditate further on the kindness of all sentient beings who have been our mother because we have lived innumerable lives and there is not one sentient being who surrounds us who has not been our mother, and we realize the incredible kindness these mothers have shown us and seen how it our duty to repay their kindness with love and compassion, when we see this we take the special vow to quickly, very quickly, as quickly as possible, bring them to the state of Buddhahood, this is the ultimate refuge -- it is the Vajrayana refuge that employs the skilfull means of the mantrayana or tantra. This is absolutely the kind of refuge we should take for ourselves and for others. But, the Buddha taught many skillful methods. He taught these three types of refuge for three general kinds of sentient beings. For the ones who wants freedom from suffering for themself, he taught the Hinayana Refuge For the ones who want everybody to be free from suffering, he taught the Mahayana Refuge For the ones who want to free every kind mother they have ever had through countless lives as quickly as possible, he taught the Vajrayana Refuge. I assure you that these are my own words from my own understanding without looking at any book. It comes from many lifetimes as a Lama and this life as a monk who listened well to many teachings and did the study, contemplation and meditation. If it helps even one sentient being to become enlightened I dedicate the merit for the welfare and benefit of every sentient being in cyclic existence who have once been my mother. If there is any mistake here I confess it now as my own and beg forgiveness from the perfect gurus such as Zopa Rinpoche, the Kopan lama and so forth. May the Buddha's teaching always shine through the darkness of cyclic existence that is samsara. May all beings come to find refuge, the means to permanent happiness and freedom from suffering. Sincerely, Lobsang Tengyie
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    i'll look for it
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    I just finished a book called "The Fifth Mountain", by Paulo Coelho. It's a novel about the life of the biblical prophet Elijah who, already struggling to maintain his sanity in a world fraught with tyranny and war, is forced to choose between his newly discovered love and his overwhelming sense of duty. A good book for anyone who is struggling with their faith.suffered a loss, or just wants to read a beautifully written and inspiring book. ...let me light your candle Cause mamma I'm so hard to handle
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    ah.......jeez
    (blushing).......thanx....all we CAN do is try
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    "But I'll get back on my feet somedayThe good Lord willing, if He says I may 'cause I know the life I'm livin's no good I'll get a new start, live the life I should" I can probably find a lyric to perfectly sum up just about anything and everything... at least for myself. Haven't had that spiritual awakening yet, but the faith is there and I can't force it. My spritual progress is what it's all about. Religion or not, believing that we are all connected as one by some cosmic force or God, Allah, Ras Tafari adds another dimension to the human experience. But it is surely not neccessary. Just don't nuke our imagination, bro!
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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I just think that everyone should respect and accept everyone else's opinion and just be kind and gentle with eachother and listen to the Grateful Dead.
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lemme know if you want the new topic started and what you want it called if so...
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could my suggestions be appropriate?....just a little joshing, that's all!!!
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yer scarin' me...
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I'll second Mr. Pid's proposal: "General philosophy...for those who have no use for Religion and don't mind saying so...all points of view are fair game, discussion encouraged, but flaming, hate speech and ad hominem attacks, no." My suggestion for a name is Imagine There's No Heaven.
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means that we accept the concept that there IS one, thus STILL based in Christianity, so personally I vote no to that one for a non-religious philosophy thread. How about: Deep Philosophical Thoughts
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'Life, the Universe and Everything'
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Mark 7:15 "There is nothing that enters a man from outside that can defile him, but the things that come out of him, those are the things that defile him" For example if a guy drinks whiskey and gets sleepy, and another drinks milk and gets mean, which one is sinning?
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for Badger's title! Works for me!
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yeah, i'll go with that too. first post should be why he feels the need to upset people so.........ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree because everybody has the right to have any opinion about anything so long as it is kynde and nice.
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badger's gonna go all honeybadger on you one day! :D
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ha ha!!does that mean he "just doesn't give a shit...Cosmic Badger's crazy...he's a bad ass...he just doesn't give a shit"!!!!!!! or does it mean he's going to smother me in sticky nectar and use that long moist tongue of his......
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I think we should be kind and thoughtful and not smother the space set aside for our believing brethren and sistren.
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bland or sulking?!!!!
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Is fine by me. Though we could then just cut to the chase and post "42" and end the discussion right there. I have been staying away from commenting on this thread, as I'm concerned about hijacking it away from its "mission statement" and its intended audience...though it seems the topic seems a bit underutilized lately. I had started working on what was intended as a letter to the editor of my local paper on the subject of government-sponsored prayer, a very hot hot-button issue on the local level these days in my neck of the Bible belt. But the letter turned into a much-too-long essay that I'm guessing wouldn't be accepted as a "guest column." Nearly posted on Facebook, and like the jonaPancake guy here, had second thoughts after I read it over. Still pondering it... Regardless, thanks for all the fish!
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don't you mean ONE fish, singular, gratefaldean? there's enough for 5000 there, surely?........!!!get a loaf of bread off a boy while you're at it! by the way, a spanking new series on the BBC of Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently detective is starting soon. Stephen Mangan is a great actor (all too sadly under-written for since the glorious and must-see Green Wing). and by the way, here would be the perfect place for that letter!! come come deano old bean, reveal all! sounds mighty intriguing to these ears. the words "government sponsored prayer" should NEVER be used in that formation and order, and, if they ever are, a shudder should rattle the spine like an ill-advised stage dive at Black Flag concert. or a Suicidal Tendencies soirée. you're quite right that this topic is "underutilized"; no other fucker seems to post much here, so hijack like a Somali pirate, i say.
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Further thread hijacking-but that TOTALLY excites me! Loved Dirk Gently Holistic Detective sooooooooo much! Thanks for that important info, and will be watching for it
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But then again, maybe we did. Guilty as charged. As for a title, I actually liked "A closer look reveals the human race" because it keeps the Dead lyric topic naming thing going, but it is a bit homo sapiens-centric so I'm good with Brother Badger's suggestion as well. A safe place for us to discuss perspectives on life that aren't deity dependent. Thanks for the props to Mike Edwards as well. At first blush, I liked your title suggestion as well, but there can be no denying that TigerLilly's observation and concerns have merit. As for apologies for past acts of bad faith jonapi, I'm not quite sure I see what the point is. No matter what Mr. Orwell might have suspected, you can't change the past, you can only change the future. I would only hope that those guilty would henceforth moderate their behavior and public posture to at least acknowledge that they and their adherents represent merely one of myriad possible perspectives and proceed accordingly. How is it that they put that thought? Oh yeah. Go, and sin no more.
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> Imagining there's no heaven means that we accept the concept that there IS one Not necessarily, it's easy to imagine a scenario in which heaven was imagined in the first place, but I can see how some people might read the line that way, TigerLilly. I'm not hung up on the name though; I'm a writer, which means I usually get things wrong before I get them right. Plus, it's hard not to like a Douglas Adams line, and especially an inclusive one like Life, the Universe and Everything.
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i'm beginning to doubt my own british humour now! (or else i'm tired, having just learnt of a sad death in the extended family, and have become a victim of my own dry approach to comedy!).i'm not sure what you meant by "past acts of bad faith..." etc., Mr. Pid; were you talking about my comments to CB about "upsetting people"? if so, i was pulling his english leg a little and joking with him!! or am i missing something else? that 5000 thing was because gratefaldean signed off with "thanks for all the fish" so i took a cheap shot and made fun of the feeding of the masses with one fish and a loaf of bread. all of my recent posts have been tongue in cheek and an excuse to be a tad cheeky; a pesky little scamp, nothing more. please don't take anything i say too seriously. i'm usually guilty of being too obtuse; i'm just being a wee prick that's all!! and definitely (or he better be!!), the badger is reveling in maintaining a "bland" stance as a facetious nod to my poor grammar (or grandad!!) in a post i made to his earlier reply!! i got confused and made some schoolboy punctuation-al errors that he's intent on highlighting in a most uncharitable fashion ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! good on 'im!!! that's what i'd do too ha ha!!!
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where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellowcake. The apology reference was (surprisingly on topic!) regarding your apparent and Mr. Hitchen's clear request that the Roman Catholic Church should set about apologizing everywhere to everyone about everything that they'd gotten wrong all these centuries. Really, what exactly is the point of that? Sorry, but that's baggage that they can't have some airline conveniently lose in transit in some far-flung corner of the world. It seems to me that it would be in their best interests to just stop collecting more items from that particular line of cheap Vuitton luggage. Perhaps I'm also guilty of being somewhat obtuse in my references as well, so continuing with that notion, since you raised the spectre of self-flagellation, I like the approach taken by the monks in The Grail. "Blow to the head or boot in the groin? I'll take the blow to the head, please."
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Is about 1100 words at this point. And most of it is just a schoolboy memory of mine. It may see the light of day, but I need to let it ferment a bit, I think, let it stew while I forget about it and then come back to it with fresh eyes. And read what says -- right now I'm reading what I THINK that I wrote, which I often find is not always the same as what I really did write. And the fish line cracked me up...I was still hanging in Douglas Adams-land, and you, Nakanopi, were actually on-topic.
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I was going to make a suggestion that everyone should have a big group hug and a nice cup of tea, but then I decided not to as it might be taken wrongly as a case of the bland leading the partially slighted. By the way, both Douglas Adams and Christopher Hitchens have published instructions for making a perfect cup of tea.
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you really are sulking aren't you, CB?!!!!! Lama-badgo?...... and love the fact that Mary started a new topic and no one has posted there yet for 2 days!! good work everyone!!
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yes, it was a beautiful blue sky day; the hint of hay in the air across the fields, sweet in the nose. spring entering the soul and radiating warmth. basking more appropriate than questioning, no? we must all think alike after all.....
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investigation into the human condition.connection to suffering. introspection and inward peace. science may learn, interact, join and explore.
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moving, thought provoking film featuring the fantastic Anthony Scher, Eddie Marsan and others. in Auschitz, jewish prisoners put God on trial in absentia for abandoning the Jewish people. the question is if God has broken his covenant with the Jeweish people by allowing the Nazis to commit genocide.
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...the so-called "Deadheads for Obama" have zero criticism of their hero for sending drones to Pakistan to kill "brown skin people" when they were so anxious to attack W, and me for supporting him on the old DNC MB, for his war against Islamofascists... J/K, we all know the answer to that question now don't we?
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let's not bother then, eh?!!!!
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see what I said to Pid in the "what would be the answer" thread. :)
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Please confine your trolling to the relevant topics. This is not one of them. Current events might be. Any further such posts here will be deleted.
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Testing, testing, this is just a test. The last post made on this forum on July 4, 2007?Or, am I being foolish on April Fool's? Post #1 on April 1st...Hmm.
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Just wanted to say thank you. I grew a lot from being here. I'm truly sorry for the bad things I've said in the past, but I hope I made people smle too. You sure made me laugh, thank you. So may God bless Bobby, Phil, Mickey, and Bill and all of you with love and peace. - trailbird brian
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I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I try very hard not to judge others and respect all persons beliefs. That's all, thank you very much Marye and deadnet for the opportunity to express that belief. ...when we make it to the Promised Laaanddd...
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Although Buddhist cultures all over the world celebrate the historical Buddha's milestones in different ways, it is the Tibetans who roll his birth, death and enlightenment into four weeks of celebration in a multifaceted event. On this day the merit from particularly moral acts supposedly increases by a factor of ten million. If you are a believer, as I am, then just tossing a beggar sitting on a city street corner a dollar bill could result in your future rebirth into a particularly wealthy family who would endow you with wealth worth more than $10 million dollars. But, of course, as with most religions, getting rich is not the point. Rather, remembering the historical figure who created massive amounts of good will and good, charitable acts is the real point. As is often said, accomplishing the good of others is providing provision for one's own future life. Shakyamuni Buddha was born over 2500 years ago in Lumbini, Nepal. He grew up a prince in a royal family who married and had a family. Becoming dissatisfied with every material thing and seeing sickness,old age and death convinced him to embark on a spiritual journey that eventually brought him to sit under the Bodhi Tree, unmoving, for seven years by the river Narayan in Bodh Gaya, India until he saw the morning star and became enlightened. He died not far away (relatively) in Kushinigar, India at the age of 82. His last words were: "All component things in the world are changeable. They are not lasting. Work hard to gain your own salvation." Unlike many other religious figures who proclaimed themselves Gods or Sons of God, Shakamuni Buddha simply said for those who were curious it would be best to test his theories and if they worked perhaps they could be put into practice.
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I'm just starting to poke around this forum, not sure how active anyone still is
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Through an unlikely series of events, my sister had a handful of Sunday night tickets to distribute on very short notice. She was pleased to discover that Deadheads really are everywhere. Not knowing how people would respond, she began asking various contacts about their possible interest in tickets, and was surprised at those who immediately replied, "Yes, I will meet you any place at any hour to receive tickets". No one here would be surprised that she would find this response, but she did not who in her range of acquaintances would be those folks. Only on a hunch did she contact her former downstairs neighbor, a person she thought she knew well after many years sharing a building. Or the fellow doing work on her house. Or the friend of our brother, who only found out that our brother was going to the show when did not show up to play guitar with him at church on Sunday morning. Some inquiries and quick calls by the guitar player, just hours before the show, ended up with him learning that, miracle of miracles, Yes, there was one more ticket available. This gets me to thinking that every town in America ought to have an event when Deadheads can come out and get acquainted. I expect that there will be many more Dead nights at pubs and such, but we surely need a way to find each other.
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I love the steal your face with the cross! I am a Catholic deadhead, which seems to stump everyone i know... everyone who isn't a deadhead, that is... i think most people who listen to the music realize that the notes played, pointed onward and outward... towards a bit of the transcendent. Anyways... it's good to see evidence that i'm not alone in loving God and loving the music of the dead:) Seeing the last show in Chicago a few weeks ago brought be back home. Peace and love to you all.