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    So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

    Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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  • #281
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    hey
    vvhat johnman said :)
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    My experience
    With chat rooms and not necessarily at dead.net is that the people who are shady i.e. pose threats are in fact juveniles in the 10-12 year old range. It doesn't mean there isn't a more sinister plot going on too but the majority are kids being stupid. After watching what they write for awhile it is painfully obvious what their age is.. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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    yeah
    the logging thing is available to one and all. But the fact that people are getting into the chatroom without logging onto Dead.net is a problem.
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    some thoughts
    Thank you Marye. I am sure everyone appreciates deadnet hosting the Chatroom and as Swan has mentioned, it is not an issue of permanent moderation: in general conflicts have been sorted out pretty quick there. But the lack of security makes it far too easy for those few people with bad intentions to exploit and abuse others. In fact have now discovered just how easy it is to ‘break into’ the chatroom from outside. My understanding is that Gagalive is a free internet Chatroom service that has been embedded in deadnet and that it could be hard for Deadnet to impose its own additional security on it. But I am not an expert on these things. It has also dawned on me that as long as you are logged into the CR you can scroll back through (and therefore copy/paste) all the chat from the moment you logged in. So if you stay anonymously logged on for hours or days from the outside (like some people appear to do) you may be able just to copy everything that has gone on. I was going to do an experiment to test this, but eavesdropping even for a few moments makes me feel really bad, so I won’t. If the chat record has a much shorter life (a few minutes) it might make systematic logging much more hassle. Hope this helps CB
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    may i suggest ideas about chatroom's safety
    for sure i want this chat room to keep going , and want topics to be discussed without " politically correct " restrains about opinions . The real urgency , methinks, is about safety settings in 3 easy steps ; 1) anyone wanting access to chatroom must be fist logged in at dead.net and 2) must first be a registered member with dead.net (with a valid e-mail) , and 3) gagalive/deadnet must install specific settings to not allow access to chatplace by bypassing login and registration at deadnet . These can be practical answers for safety , and to complete this format , a once prior agreement that anyone using chatroom is responsable to never send bugs and viruses at users of dead.net , nonrespect of that clause leading to definite expulsion from dead.net .
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    guys
    I'm reporting this to see if there's anything we can do. I don't want to shut the chat room down, for example, so better to figure out something more reasonable. As many have noted, no, threatening people is not okay, nor is misrepresenting yourself as a Rhino employee (or anyone else) to do so.
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    that i read these posts. i have had good and bad experiences in our chatroom, recently very good things have come my way FROM the chatroom, tickets and a hotel room to be exact, so i know there are still good, loving kind folks there. we don't always hafta agree on certain subjects or topics, and there are some that i intentionally avoid discussing in there because i know we don't all have the same point of view. the one thing we DO share is love for the music. other than prayer, the music has been the one constant in my life that i can turn to when i just can't take it anymore. please, any of you that are thinking about leaving us, please, please reconsider. if we keep enough kind folk in there, and commit to not dragging others down with our personal problems (and yes, i am one of those that is guilty of doing this, not intentionally but the chat is my refuge) mebbe we can outweigh the people who don't love the site as much as we do......badger, i'm gonna miss your kind thoughts and words, hopefully you will still use the forums? i love all of you more than you know....you are my FAMILY!!!
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    Cosmic Badger KA Swan
    Using a photo or scripts from the chatroom to harm others is an awful practice/ game and should not be allowed. I was told that recently, things that I had said, in " Play " an 'Imaginative spacey conversation we were having,' was re-posted elsewhere with some important content changed, someone had changed my words, to cause a very hurtful situation ! I know that this has happened to thers as well. I agree it is slander. We love the chatroom and mostly we love sharing The Grateful Deads Music in there... It should not be a tool, used to harm and manipulate others ! play on
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    again reasons I DO NOT use chatroom
    Badger , swan , frankly you said it all . lets get rid of gagalive and make it a Dead.net MEBERS ONLY thing . I for one do not want to talk to folks who are mean and or just not like minded as we all are . I would be more then happy to come back to the chatroom .
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    I am sorry TL and Mona and
    I am sorry TL and Mona and Swan and everyone else, but I am not going near that place again until I can be more confident that i) it is reasonably secure ii) people who use it are identifiable and accountable iii) it is not being taken over by hackers iv) our conversations are not being recorded and manipulated and v) my computer is not vulnerable to attack (the consequences would be catastrophic for me) Some or all of the the claims and threats that have been made may very well be utter bullshit. I don’t know enough about computers to know, and I am not sure how these concerns can be addressed by 'toughing it out' from inside the chatroom. Still, there must be other ways to fix this. By hosting the chatroom for the registered members of the site, Deadnet must have some responsibility for its security. Especially since the main protagonist has even claimed that he is an ‘insider’ who works for Rhino!!
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So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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Submitted by stuman on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 23:42

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will send some sunshine yor way ,, ( when i see it ) he he ..
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 04:38

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Welcome back!!
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Submitted by Frankly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 04:50

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so the euopean climate seems to be in order again,Hi stu..Hi Gigi all grateful across the ocean?:-)(-:have a nice day,Frankly
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 04:50

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Hows it going with you today??Have a grate one!! Peace, Gigi :)
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Submitted by Frankly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 08:58

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i just wait inpatiently for the answer of that guy about the tibet-topic.Congratulations SF really made it look like a comedy,how do you carry a olympic torch through town without meeting anybody hehehe :-)(-:

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Submitted by buddy plant on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 09:06

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I wish a very good day to all! I thought I'd start the day off with a little 5-2-70. Pig is so awesome doin' the Man's World, man made the electric light, oh yeah.... I wonder what James Brown thought of the boys covering his song?
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 09:17

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hey frankly, i had to search to find any coverage, all small back page articles, except for "WIRED" which had a few stories and video feeds from cell phones at the demostrations, but the torch run was a prank on the masses and took the path less traveled away from news coverage. wonder what kind of deal the chinese govt. made, less lead paint in products made in china?

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Submitted by buddy plant on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 09:41

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... the chinese gov't got exactly what they wanted, they got video of smiling people waving flags and no protesters anywhere in sight to mar their video feeds back home. i hope that after the olympic games are over, people won't forget....
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Submitted by Frankly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 09:40

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i have that song on a tape as a filler,awesome......maybe James heard it,got mad,beat up his wife ended up in jail,and never talked about it:-)(-:
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 09:59

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On one level, it could reasonably be said that the city did a brilliant job of keeping people from getting hurt, and there's a real sense that that's what cities should do. And on the other hand, yeesh. Wotta mess.
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 10:00

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the torch in Tibet thing is just rude any way you look at it.
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 11:26

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I just got my Hubby Ken to take off from work and we are taking the Harley out for a ride :)See ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 11:32

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Gone are the days when I used to go to shows on the back of my friend Bennett's motorcycle, but they sure were fun.
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Submitted by Frankly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:21

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especially when your goin to hell in a bucket.:-)(-:
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:25

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i was drinking last night with a biker
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Submitted by Frankly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:27

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you didnt show him a picture of me!!!!3:-)(-:
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 13:01

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to 1978-04-10 Fox Theatre aud. recording, at the end of a beautiful "peggy-o" bob says to the audience "we gonna do another song just as soon as the RED CHINESE quit messin with jerry's brain..... WE KNOW your out there"! love those late 70s drums rolling behind jerry"s lead
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Submitted by reedchris on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 16:34

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Pourquoi le chat est-il si difficile? Tous l'apprecions. Laisse toute marque il juste. Frankly: Ma inspire franchement pour parler le francais encore. Merci beaucoup! Christophe
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Submitted by bevstuff16 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 16:43

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getting booted out of a chat'room. And this is the first time I've visited! What's up with that? And hey now. Would love to chat with you sometime!
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Submitted by GreenRipple on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 18:18

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checking in to see what's going on ... wow, up to 13 pages in three days. It has taken me some time to read through all the chatter. There seems to be some chatter bugs (figuratively and literally and no punn intended). miss the real time conversations and can't wait until it's back up. I hope it is spectular, not to raise the expectations of returning to a flawless chat room. everyone have good weekend. sorry Chris, I can only get through about 1/4 of the French, something about the chat being difficult and thanks, otherwise I would respond much better. I have a hard enough time speaking english half the time.
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Submitted by stuman on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 18:21

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It is down for maintenence now ,,.. Hope to be repaired soon,,..
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Submitted by c_c on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 20:51

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Chat room schmat room damm it, I wanted to try to get kicked out, but now see the chat room is down for maintenance. and I just wanted to say chat room schmat room! ( -;
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 23:31

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Ton grammair est un petit peut bizarre :-), mais j'aime bien que tu parles francais ici. Je vais jouer aussi, quand tu veut! Also a favor please, from whoever is willing. My best buddy Martin has a birthday today (11 April) for those of us in different time zones. My present to him is a massive mail campaign of Birthday wishes, from common friends, as well as those unknown to him. I wanna slam his mailbox w/kind thoughts. Anyone willing to help me w/this? If so, send me a pm, and I will give you his e mail address. He is no Deadhead, but a super kind man and a great person. ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 05:17

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TGIF........ more cowbell!!
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Submitted by Central Statio… on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 06:11

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At the risk of sounding like a heretic, I was wondering...If the Store portion of this web site had issues which disrupted the the use of it, would it have taken this long to resolve them? I can't be the only one for whom question this has come to mind. And yes, this is an unfair question for at least two reasons: 1. I don't believe that the Store uses online chat representatives to assist customers, so it's an "apples and oranges" kind of thing. 2. It's very possible that some of the proceeds from the Store are used to subsidize this Chat Room. I may be biting the hand that feed me here, but hey, if my cat can do it.... Any comments?--assuming this even gets posted ;-) Bobbin' and weavin' Steven

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 09:31

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I think it's a reasonable question, and I too have some thoughts on what you have asked. This is certainly not heresy, you haven't hammered at the foundation of the band, you've just posed some questions to the folks to whom the band has sold some or all of their merchandising rights. I think that if the revenue stream of Dead.net were affected by the same technical issues as the chat feature, it would have been resolved within hours. And yes, the chat room is subsidized by sales, it's a business thing I guess. Having said that, I also feel that the owners of Dead.net don't actually owe it's users a chat feature. It's like the buffet in the casino, it's just something to attract customers. I hope that your questions and suppositions were not taken by the folks who run this site as hurtful or offensive, I see your remarks as a request. Perhaps I would have said something like : "Yo Deadnet, Let's get it in gear and fix the friggin' chat room fer Chrissakes! What are ya waitin' on? The second coming???" But that may be a bit too heretical, YMMV Now after having said all that stuff, I think I'm gonna go roll up a little something. And I think that I should get back on topic, by posing a question of my own: Wouldn't it have been grate if the GD covered "Twist and Shout"?
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 11:58

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what a ride we had yesterday, 3 hours on the harley I love my hubby for taking a day off!!
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Submitted by Ami on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:12

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Picnic PMed me to remind me of an old spectrum show with an awesome Why don't we do it in the road into Mississippi 1/2 step... someone refresh my memory which waning after this crazy work week- when were the boys breaking out Hey Jude? I have old tapes somewhere with it and I loved it, just don't remember when, where... is help on the way??? Ami
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Submitted by Hal R on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:20

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breakout was 2/11/69. 3/1/69 is on Fillmore 69 box set and is well just pretty awful, so bad it is almost funny, especially after such an amazing show. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:22

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7 Apr 85, show opener, per deadbase. Personally, I thought the most impressive Beatles cover was Tomorrow Never Knows. Even The Beatles never tried to perform that live. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by 00 on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:34

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One of the most sensational songs every recorded. The Beatles have some much sound that is not really known. Of the begining (big band) Thanks for sharing this.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:39

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... have heard the Boys cover is the Jackie Wilson chestnut: Higher And Higher (Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) here's a snippet:Your love, liftin' me higher Than I've ever been lifted before So keep it up, quench my desire And I'll be at your side forevermore RIP Jackie, you were the best...
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Submitted by iknowurider on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 13:00

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Mama Told me Not to Come Three Dog Night That's a great song, I can't quote the exact line, but I really like the part that goes something like: Open up the window, sucka Let some air into this room.... Have a grate weekend & take it easy
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Submitted by Ami on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 16:21

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it's just a scratch in the record or a scuff on the CD....Ami
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Submitted by c_c on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 16:26

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pretty cool vid with a nice slide show and cool images here is the list of shows with Hey Jude: (usually the reprise in and out and in of Dear Mr. Fantasy) 02/11/69- Fillmore East - New York City, NY 03/01/69- Fillmore West - San Francisco, CA 09/07/85- Red Rocks Amphitheater - Morrison, CO 03/17/88- Henry J. Kaiser Auditorium - Oakland, CA 03/31/88- Meadowlands Arena - East Rutherford, NJ 04/04/88- Hartford Civic Center - Hartford, CT 04/09/88- The Centrum - Worcester, MA 04/15/88- Rosemont Horizon - Rosemont, IL 04/23/88- Irvine Meadows Ampitheatre - Irvine, CA 06/26/88- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 07/03/88- Oxford Plains Speedway - Oxford, ME 09/08/88- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/16/88- Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY 09/22/88- Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY 10/14/88- Miami Arena - Miami, FL 10/20/88- The Summit - Houston, TX 12/11/88- Long Beach Arena - Long Beach, CA 04/02/89- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 04/08/89- Riverfront Arena - Cincinnati, OH 04/13/89- Rosemont Horizon - Rosemont, IL 07/02/89- Sullivan Stadium - Foxboro, MA 07/18/89- Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI 10/09/89- Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA 10/19/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 12/09/89- Great Western Forum - Inglewood, CA 12/31/89- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA 03/22/90- Copps Coliseum - Hamilton - Ontario, XCanada 04/01/90- The Omni - Atlanta, GA 06/09/90- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA 07/12/90- Robert F. Kennedy Stadium - Washington DC, DC I remember hearing that Red Rocks tape for the very first time, not knowing what the boys were up to... and a BIG smile on my face when I realized it. thanks, brother Brent.
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 16:34

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Sweet!! I've never seen that before :) Thanks for sharing!
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Submitted by iknowurider on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 16:39

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Okay I didn't say shit, misbehaving & all, but I tried to log in about 8 different times.!! I saw inknowurider on the online list, but still the login/register on my screen. Couldn't comment or anything, ya'll know I like having my 2 sense heard! So anyhoo, here I am, don't ask me how, but the site does not look copecetic on my end. Ground Control To Major Tom: Are you reading this?????
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 16:44

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you are logged on 20 times cool!!!!!!!!!!
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Submitted by reedchris on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 18:25

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I wouldn't worry about it dude. There are so many of you on here that you could blame it on one of your alter egos.
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 19:37

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seems not to be happening now. I just hope ikyr didn't get booted for misbehaving, all 20 of her.
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Submitted by c_c on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 19:38

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everyone is a dude, dude. I remember the daze, going shopping in kind convenience stores, and the clerk would smile and say: 'Thanks, dude. Please come again' and I would say: 'don't 'dude me' dude. and he would say: but, you just 'duded me', dude. and I would say: 'don't 'dude me' dude. and he would say: but, you just 'duded me', dude. and I would say: 'don't 'dude me' dude. and he would say: but, you just 'duded me', dude. and it would go on and on... until the grumblers standing in line behind me would start grumbling even louder. fucking grumblers, can neither take the time to 'dude' another dude. so we are ALL dudes, even the gals, who are also dudes. the term 'du-dette' was just never part of my vocabulary. Please take the time to stop and 'dude' a dude. That is what life is all about, dudes. "don't dude me' dude." "but, you just 'duded me', dude." ( -;