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I used to be a "joe six-pack" then I became a "Joe 'fifth of John Daniels' in my back pocket" then I became a "Joe cheap burgandy red wine in a 3 quart box" finally, I reached my own personal NIRVANA by being a "Joe Cheese Whiz" living on the straight and narrow these days... people change. trouble is, I suppose, in some cases, no matter how clearly an opinion is presented, and no matter how carefully the 'directions' are written on the label, some people will always fuck it up or mis-understand the 'real' purpose of a "product" anyway, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, for everyone, and if it is your Cheese Whiz, and your clothes, do with it what you will, but please keep in mind, we all share this washing machine. doesn't it say on a box of Q-tips, do not insert into your ear? what the fuck?? even the obvious can remain unclear. peace.

Greg SC-Phil believes in what he believes in, so what the hell? They all support Obama, so what's the big deal? Who ever said Obama is an Anti-Life candidate? I'll have to research that one. I agree with Hal R-the Republicans had their chance & they've screwed it up royally. Selfish sons of bitches........enjoy the music & be done with all this bullshit. Gypsy Cowgirl ps-if I felt like telling you who I am, I could tell you more, but I'd rather be a mystery

just a little clarification here....i 'm not supporting anyone or anything.....being "shot down" means the opposing side poked so many holes in your aircraft that it falls from the sky......you don't get " shot down" flying to pennsylvania.... your aircraft may fall from the sky for other reasons........like, mechanical failure, or pilot error, o.k.? thank you for your time.

The Republicans had their chance and what do we get - 4,000 American's killed in Iraq for George JR and his big lies and future generations will be paying for it. McCain is still in a Vietnam War type mentality. He thinks that war could have been won and this one too. Sinking more American lives and money into death for nothing. Thank you for your service now go off and die for us. Something some of us have a major problem with. Those of us who aren’t fortunate sons see our relatives and friends end up maimed, psychologically damaged and dead for the lies of the rich Bush and McCain types of this country. Plus all the innocent Iraqis. And this is pro-life? I think a woman should not be forced by a patriarchal system to carry through with an unwanted pregnancy. That early in the pregnancy she should be given a choice. You and I obviously disagree on when an independent life begins. It is a difficult choice, I leave it up to the individual woman to decide, you don't, you feel that you have the answer for her. Sarah Palin strong, sure, maybe like an ox barging its way through a kitchen. Independent, sure, but being president is about working with others and reaching agreement. I don't think she has these skills. A wink doesn't do it in the realm of world politics. She is not dealing with Joe six pack here. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

Billy and Is420 I couldn't agree with you more! Amen! The only reason I am even stating on these threads who it is I support, is because Phil and Bobby (and Bruce, and Neil), have decided to get political. So once that starts, it gets polarizing. That is why I am horrified that Phil and Bobby have twice now publicly designed fundraiser shows for Obama. I think it stinks. I never used to talk politics to anyone. I would just sit there, drink a beer, and have fun, keeping my political thoughts to myself. But now, these guys are out there stirring up a hornet's nest. They should really think about what they are doing. But then, maybe they now have enough money not to give a crap. I also can't help but wonder why Phil, a guy who went through hell with his liver transplant, is now supporting an Anti-Life candidate like Obama. It blows me away. Greg SC

I am totally agree with keeping music separate from politics. But since we have opened the can of worms, here are some things to think about. Obama: Occidental College - Two years. Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude & Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.) vs. McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class) Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism Palin created a highway on an island across from Juno to link the mainland with an airport. When it was finished she vetoed the bridge to the mainland, wasting 17 million dollars. Before she was governor she was mayor of a town of 5000. She has never been out of the country. McCain only became a P.O.W. by being one of the worst naval pilots ever. The first time he was shot down he was trying to steal a plane to fly to Pennsylvania to see his girl friend. There is just about as much dirt on Obama. He did associate with terrorists, when he was six. In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes. Anyway, I don't think either candidate is totally honest or even a good American. I do believe in knowing the truth. You can find any of this via Google search engine. Make sure to triple cross reference, since there is a lot of dirt being thrown. STAY AWARE!!!!

You said:>>And Sarah Palin is a sharp cookie ... but she became victim of a vindictive interview, and a editing designed to rip her to pieces. No matter what the woman would have said would have been wrong ... There have been tons of these types of interviews, gaffes, studderings, and confused moments, etc., of Obama, but the press sweeps those under the carpet. >>If this woman had been running for President for the last 2+ years, she'd be head and shoulders above Obama or anyone. At the moment she is playing catch up, but in the end, she has real substance, and will be light years ahead of any party-line politician like Obama. So let me get this straight...the VINDICTIVE questions like "What newspapers do you read?" and "How does Alaska's close proximity to Russia give you foreign policy credentials?" were GOTCHA questions? Unfair journalism??? SHARP??? Put down the crackpipe and slowly walk away. Medic? Over here in SC... Dude...she has yet to be able to sit down and answer ANY question with authority. TWO DAYS AGO, she was questioned on the export of Alaskan oil to China. I'm sure you've read one of many articles on this - here's a quick reference. It's an AP article - all sources verified: http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081010/Palin.Oil.Export… Now, PLEASE stop pretending this woman is "on the ball". She came out swinging and energized her party to the point where I was getting nervous. Then the real Sarah Palin came through. She WILL make a good politician ONE DAY. She's not ready for prime time, bro. Obama - wet noodle? You mean the man who's rallied over 20 MILLION people, including THOUSANDS of hard-core conservatives (like 6 seperate households on my own street?!!) to back him? Yeah, wet noodle....classic. Read his plan. Read McCain's plan. One is filled with vision and common sense and shows how everything is paid for. The other does nothing but say how he thinks his opponent will bring this country to "the brink of disaster" (apparently worse than we already are). I'll let you guess which plan belongs to whom. They are both available on their respective websites for public download. I recommend some reading. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Now this is just a thought......but maybe.... just maybe.... the political landscape has changed over the years....I dunno, everything else has, so why not politics and the way that the monster is ran. I have no problem with ANYBODY stepping forward and presenting who they are or aren't supporting. They...just like you SC have everyright to to show support for one candidate or another. You don't have to agree with them, and if it's more than you can stomach, then by all means it's up to you to decide if you even wanna support the person that's doing the supporting. Pretty novel idea I know, but it's "your" choice to decide what to do with what you see and hear. Ever since the "Rock to Vote" campains started, it has grown into people from all aspects of life on BOTH sides of the party lines showing their support of a certain candidate. Since there seems to be people (and although very sad and pathetic) that can't decide for themselves what's best for them, You now have people trying to inform others on what they think is best. I may be totally misunderstanding you and the point your trying to make here, but in a way, your doin pretty much the same thing on this board as Phil, Bobby, Bruce, and Neil are doin in concert. You've been pretty vocal on who you support, and that's your right I guess...as far as Palin...I can't stomach her, and find the little winks and smiles at the camera repulsive. She's not your "average" joe...She's nothing like me, or anyone else I know....ya know..."Your Six Pack Joes". or whatever it is she calls them. But hey, If there is any beauty in Politics at all, and I don't think there is...It's that you have the right to your own opinions, and you have the right to voice them, and get this....YOU have the right to vote! What ever your convictions are that helps you decide what you think is best, you get to use them. Get what I'm sayin'....The 4 above metioned individuals, that you are so put off by right now, becouse of the stances they've decided to take...Right or Wrong...It's their choice my friend. That's why, me personally, hate discussing politics. It tends to lead to angry and hurt feelings most of the time. People can be so compassionate about their beliefs, they tend to forget, that the people their discussing it with, are just as compassionate. Oh well....I better quit rambling here...I tend not to make alot of sense most of the time,..lol.. So sorry if I've carried on. Just my 2 cents.

Hal R I think the Neil Young, Bruce, and Phil were from another thread... But since you brought it up, let me clear it up. I think music should be kept seperate from politics. Even Bob Dylan never named names, he would just get people thinking about political themes... What I see coming from Phil, Bobby, Bruce, and Neil Young these days is a bunch of telling people WHO to vote for, and being quite blatant about it. And, yes, it will cause their musical careers to FADE AWAY. I went to see Phil in Charlotte NC the other day, and the Phil show was blown out of the water by the Allman Brothers Band (who opened for them!). Phil needs to spend more time gettting his band sharp, getting good cameramen, and getting good mixing board techs, and possibly picking up one more guitarist, rather than going down the depressive road of politics -- especially for that wet noodle, Barack Obama. That was my point. And Sarah Palin is a sharp cookie ... but she became victim of a vindictive interview, and a editing designed to rip her to pieces. No matter what the woman would have said would have been wrong ... There have been tons of these types of interviews, gaffes, studderings, and confused moments, etc., of Obama, but the press sweeps those under the carpet. If this woman had been running for President for the last 2+ years, she'd be head and shoulders above Obama or anyone. At the moment she is playing catch up, but in the end, she has real substance, and will be light years ahead of any party-line politician like Obama. Greg SC

the sox held on for the win.always liked my tv news in black&white, not so depressing somehow, and my baseball i like through the radio, so i can use my imagination more. 'and we bid you goodnight"