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    Chris Kyle from Texas is a former Seal and the greatest sniper in the history of the American armed forces (his longest confirmed kill was over 6100 yards, more than a mile) with over 150 confirmed kills. He received 5 bronze stars and two silver stars (combat medals) for his service in Iraq from 2003-2008. He co-wrote the book American Sniper. This book evoked a lot of emotion from me every time I opened it up. It provided a lot of information about veterans that I had been seeking. It opened up the war in Iraq to me through the battles for Fallujah, Ramadi and Sadr City inside Baghdad. I will list briefly some of the main points I discerned: * The precursor chemicals of WMD, sold to Iraq by the French and Germans, were found by US Forces. * The war turned into a Christian crusade against "the savages". * The armed forces go wherever they are ordered. Don't blame them, blame the politicians. * The rules of engagement seriously hindered the armed forces ability to do their job. There was paperwork & witnesses involved to justify all killing. * Non-political Iraqis fought against our armed forces out of national pride. * Combat is addictive. Black humor is pervasive. Friendships made in combat often last longer than marriages. * Veterans are not only scarred from physical wounds, they are tortured mentally by the killing and wounding they have done, especially when it is collateral damage. * The training of other country's men into an armed force is impossible. * Seals like to fight in bars. This is an excellent book if you want a first-hand perspective. Highly recommended for a view of things veterans usually only speak of to each other and at VFW halls.
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    that's what I said, back during the Strauss-Kahn scandal. How interesting the timing was to take him down.
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    A socialist won the French presidential election yesterday -- Francois Hollande. He is only the 2nd Socialist president since WWII and already the markets are tumbling and it would be easy to bet the DJI short today. Is this speculation justified? I have no idea but things are so screwed up already I don't think it will make much difference. He might get yelled at in Chicago at the NATO summit for pulling the French out of Afghanistan. What IS interesting to note is that Dominique Strauss Kahn would have been the first stringer for the Socialist Party had he not been set up in NYC in a sex sting honey trap. Who wanted Strauss Kahn out of power and for what reason?
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    And good riddance. The jury's still out on Hollande, at least amongst my more left-thinking French buddies; but we'll see. Bad news in the Greek elections-neo Nazis got 8 % of the seats in Parliament. Squeeze a people too badly, and they squeeze back in possibly unpleasant ways.
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    Many "Hat" (Derby Day, git it?) parties around my parts last Saturday. A lot of hung over people on Sunday. That is what happens when you substitute the passion fruit margaritas for the mint juleps on a super-moon Saturday Night. I stay away from the alcohol related events like the plague. Not that I don't have other vices... If you were in a full moon hat party hope your head wasn't too big the next day. (Noonie -- There is no system for winning at the horse races unless you happened to live or work around the track. Save your money and wait for a good fix, which didn't happen all that frequently. That is what we used to do at Narragansett anyway. A track that has long since closed.)
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    you know i always wanted to learn how to bet on the ponies. i use to work with a guy who every weekend he would go to the track and sometimes he wouldn't show up for work on monday. Then we would kmow he won big. I asked a couple of times to show me but he always said "no way get your own system" Those double ipa sound good, to bad i am work
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    Once a year the Kentucky bluegrass gentry and their horse breeders get together in Lou-A-Vull at Churchill Downs and do this thing. It is the showcase of the best horse on dirt and "the fastest two minutes" in the sports year. On another level, it seems to be a bizarre ritual in which 165,000 people get stinking drunk and watch midgets and dwarfs dressed in bright colors perched on animals go fast. It is also a fashion show and photo-op. Hunter Thompson writes most eloquently about this phenomenon. This spectacle was made for him and it is about us as Americans who have "Derby Parties" in our homes and watch on our monster flat screen TVs. My Old Kentucky Home indeed.
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    I'll Have Another cashed in at 40-1: any winners out there? I'll continue with the mint juleps and some double IPA's (Wood-aged from Great Divide). Bodemeister placed.
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    And people call me an "Alarmist" (among other things)! 1. War Could 2012 be the year World War Three begins in earnest? We've discussed this at some length in a number of letters, and though our timing has been wrong (we imagined hostilities would already be upon us by this time), we stand solidly behind our conviction that a Middle Eastern conflict that begins in this calendar year will spread and encompass nearly the entire planet, and that hostilities will not cease for some years to come. Part of our belief is predicated on the massive stockpiling of crude oil we see here at home, a development that only makes sense if someone, somewhere is expecting a sharp spike in the price of oil. 2. Liquidity Call 2012 the year that economic Rohypnol, the so-called 'date rape' drug, finally took effect. After several years of the Fed (and other central banks) slipping the stuff into the money supply, we're all beginning to 'go under'. With the world now awash in paper that people call money, inflation can never be far behind. In 2012 the dreaded 'I' word starts to bite. 3. Civil Unrest and Terrorism One look at Greece, Spain and to a lesser extent our own Occupy Wall Street movement, and its clear there's something afoot globally that looks like a riot. Recent disturbances in (of all places) Canada, where thousands of striking university students and union workers took to the streets of Montreal to voice their displeasure with the 'status quo' show that even sleepy backwaters like Canuckia aren't immune to the trend. Call 2012 the year that anarchy reached unprecedented proportions globally. In Europe, particularly, it appears the violence will take on nationalistic hues, bringing with it everything that normally attends such outbreaks (beatings/lootings/lynchings/pyrotechnics/etc). The terrorist underworld will likely view the whole show as an excellent opportunity to piggyback on popular frustration and begin marking their favorite targets. 4. Wilder Weather We're just the messengers here, so don't shoot, but it's looking like we're in for some strange and persistent natural calamities over the course of the year. After a steady pickup in tectonic activity over the last year and a half, scientists are now calling for even more seismic action in the twelve months, particularly around the so-called ring of fire that circumscribes the Pacific ocean. But that's not all. West coast earthquakes will also apparently be augmented by a hectic hurricane season (on the east coast and Gulf states), and tornadoes are expected to multiply across the Midwest during the storm season as well. Most of all, we have generational – and possibly historical – sunspot activity expected in the next year that most experts agree could cause irredeemable damage to our power grid, satellite technology and even domestic electrical appliances. 5. Summary In short, no one will be secure or immune from what's about to hit. The stock market will rise, we believe (liquidity), but the value of our holdings will diminish (inflation). And how long can such a condition persist? That depends on how safe our cities become in the face of a general civil breakdown, how successful terrorists are at undermining our habitual way of life, and how much increasingly violent weather and extended blackouts conspire to deprive us of confidence in corporate growth. That sounds strangely like the end of the world How do you plan for that? Well, I'm not going to give you their investment advice, you have to pay for that. But if this is what Wall St. is talking about then maybe the Mayan calender people aren't so nuts after all. Time to load the bullion supplies into the survival bunker. (!)
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    Although the history books, and media outlets, will never say it, President Barak Obama surrendered in the middle of the night after cowardly slinking in on Air Force One after a 13 hour flight from DC. The protocol was signed with President Hamat Karzai amidst a total news blackout with 6 big chinook helicopters packed with elite troops guarding them in a tight cordon on the tarmac. One year to the day after the navy Seals disposed of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan Obama addressed the troops in an airplane hanger and told them how proud he was of them for always upholding America's most cherished values. This is a president that always says and does the right thing, no matter what. Now America is signed to a contract to keep the troops in play in advisory roles till some time in 2024. I can't imagine who would want to remain on that blasted heath for another day. We're not fooling anybody. Least of all the Taliban who wouldn't even negotiate with us. Meanwhile, "Occupy" rioters took to the streets this May Day from Miami to Seattle. While not exactly a show of strength it was something to be considered. (I am currently reading "American Sniper" by ex Navy Seal Chris Kyle and had another comment for this day but will save it for another. This BUD/S for you & your tribe Mr. Kyle. I don't support war but I support the warriors who would stand for us.)
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Nuclear power! Carcinogenic cell phones! The Stanley Cup! and the usual parade of kids dancing and shaking their bones, politicians throwing stones, etc. Discuss.

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Although the popular vote will be very close the Democratic "Get-Out-The-Vote" operation will be blistering and Obama has a n 86% chance of winning the eletoral vote. The Romulans and Republicans in general lied and lied and lied and attacked women's reproductive rights, among every other decent thing under the sun. After a ton of hard work we should be all raising a glass of champagne to 4 more years of progressive policies. Many thanks to Bruce Springsteen for his efforts in support of the president!
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Will make a huge difference all around the world from Dubai to Mumbai to Shanghai. Like it or not you're a citizen of the Empire with all the rights and responsibilities. Jerry didn't give it any energy. Phil & Bob helped Obama four years ago. The Grateful Dead/Rex/Furthur support(ed) progressive policies that come from people like Barak Obama. I hate to sound pedantic, but this is the most important election until a progressive third party breaks through.
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and in the spirit of reaching across party lines, may some healing vibes and quality organic salve be applied to romney's booty for the severe spanking he received from his home state of massachusetts............ouch! "when life looks like easy street, .................."
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Congratulations to the President: may he enjoy a successful second term. Thank you all, especially the women voters, for supporting Barack Obama and surviving the barrage of negative advertising aka Rove and the Koch brothers. Washington and Colorado passed initiatives legalizing the recreational use of marijuana: wonder how long it will take Kansas to step in that direction??
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A truly great, Lincolnesque victory speech to a crowd of of 10k campaign workers who had to spend at least 20 hours knocking on doors. We should all hope that Republicans come to their senses and work to ensure health care, cuts in the military and a way to stop the interest on the national debt from going nuclear. In the words of Bush after his re-election: "I have earned political capital and i intend to use it." Bring it Mr. Obama!
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Democratic demographics: lost white men won blacks won hispanics won woman (single, married, single moms) won asians The Republicans are dead!
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Let's just say I have friends and family of all political persuasions, and I don't choose either for their politics. That said, I'm finding the plight of my lifelong-Republican sister, who cannot believe the hijacking of her party by the loonies, pretty interesting.
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reminds me of lama gonzo in some ways. Good wishes to either, or both?
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That Gonzo done good this election cycle. Anna, if you're in touch, send him congrats.
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when second congressional district representative tammy baldwin was elected to the u.s. house of representatives, displacing a genuinely shocked tommy thompson (good riddance)! tammy will be the 77th woman in the house, the first woman from wisconsin in the house, and the very first non-incumbent, openly gay person to serve in congress. she is a true progressive and a leading advocate for universal healthcare, energy independence, civil rights and women's reproductive rights. i will probably never see the day when women rule the house and the senate ( or the country) with their hearts and their minds, but it sure did my heart good on tuesday night to see that this politically bipolar state thought with their hearts and minds and made history by electing a TRUE representative of the people. way to go wisconsin and congratulations to tammy baldwin! and . . . . . . .since this is called "trouble ahead, trouble behind" i'll say -- with reservation: the house remains red the senate is blue once again obama is screwed! the obstructionistic behavior from boehner and norquist and company has already started in full force and it looks likely that pres. obama is going to have one hell of a fight on his hands for the next 4 years (again) with these assholes. i sincerely hope i'm wrong.
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The only thing is now the legislature and governorship in WI is single-party controlled...
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hence the "politically bipolar". sure don't know how the hell tea party muppet scott walker got voted in as gov. along with a tea party majority state congress and then folks here turn around and vote for tammy over tommy, but it happened. glad, too. she's a great change from this state's "norm" ploliticos and a good seed to have been planted. you know what else, wtj? one of my favorite pastries is an eclaire...... :))))))))))) hehehe
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73 Saturday > 23 Monday, in KC. Thanks to those of us who pushed for, participated in and contributed to the recent reelection of our US president. Like Marye mentioned, I too have an older sister hell-bent on voting Republican, regardless of who they are and what they stand for. I hope Congress will avert the fiscal cliff dilemma now facing us. Don't laugh too hard when the Chiefs get throttled in Pittsburgh tonight on national tv....
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- from an ex-doorman who used to load his limos every other weekend for the hamptons and would receive a check for $50 at the holidays from the wealthiest resident of 740 park avenue, n.y. -- exclusive home of more billionaires than any other address in the u.s. this youn man was fired as a doorman from 740 park avenue when he inadvertantly opened the limo doors in "incorrect sequence", thus causing the poor billionaire's ego some undue and unwarranted distress .........
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The Republicans may be down but they are not out. When Obama and the liberals have spent the US into bankruptcy in 4 years, the Republicans will rise again and save the country.
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Stalin had a word for you Obama lackies - useful idiots. Voting for your own demise. Obamacare puts your health into the hands of big, bloated out of touch government. 2700 pages of rules, taxes and regulation. Try reading a page sometime. Not one person who voted for it read it. 2700 pages written by lobbyists and special intrest groups. It has already increased health care costs. If it was so good, why was the subject avoided on this year's campaign trail? Why wasn't it implimented immidiatly? Why don't the eletists who voted for it subject themselves to it? San Fran Nan (Pelosi) idiotically stated " We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it" - How stuipid! (For good reading some day look into how her Starkist Tuna operation in American Samoa benefitted from the stimulus package). Socialism has never worked and will never work. Piven, Ayers, Alinsky - smart people - They know how to turn their followers into useful idiots. Don't fall into the trap. I remember the sadness I felt when it was announced that Woodstock was a "free" concert. Many people worked countless hours to deliver a great product. The glee from people who stormed onto the concert site was disappointing. The generation who wanted something for nothing is now stealing from future generations to bolster their own power. We are trillions in debt. A trillion seconds ago it was 29,000 B.C. I despise government and want less of it. Look for candidates who promote freedom, property rights and individual liberty. Oooo freedom, Oooooo Liberty.
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It is okay to disagree here. It is not okay to call people names. Cut it out. ME, forum moderator
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are flying their flags at half mast
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the cupcakes with the squiggles on top any more? Back in the '50s, those things were hot stuff. Of course, back in the '50s they were probably made with real food ingredients, too.
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loved one of their products so much, they immortalized it in a song....... :) ...... (that's my belief and i'm stickin' with it) @mike: "a world without twinkies, ho hos,and ding dongs" who among us would be left? :D.....lol
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I loved those little cupcakes. I would peel off the frosting skin and eat that first before making my way to the cake. Life used to be so simple.
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The arctic ice cap melted down to a record 24% ice-cap (in other words 76% ice free). 97% of the Greenland ice sheet was melting this year. Read the article from the NY Times @ nytimes.com/2012/09/20/science/earth/arctic-sea-ice-stops-melting-but-new-record-low-is-set.html?_r=0. 350.org, an environmental group crunching the numbers, with the help of Price, Warterhouse, Coopers, says that 2% is the amount of global rise in temperature that can be tolerated (a figure accepted by scientists worldwide). We are at 1%. The amount of carbon that can be spewed in the air before we reach that 2%, total, is 587 gigatons. The amount of carbon based fuels stockpiled ALREADY, by companies such as Exxon-Mobil and Peabody coal is 2800 gigatons. The Keystone Pipeline will be the first environmental test for the Obama Administration. Even if he doesn't go after that project there are other projects in the works to bring tar sands oil to export from the Gulf of Mexico states. Sandy showed our planet is changing. Extremes are the new norm. There is a large measure of psychic-numbing out there. Not to mention poor people in W. Virginia in the coal industry wanting their jobs in coal and being forced by their companies to contribute to Romney super-pacs. Global warming is mutating our planet. It doesn't matter who is to blame. I hope the restored Rex Foundation gives 350.org a grant. There is no place to live, no matter how much money you have, not to be effected by this.
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"A system of conservation based solely on economic self-interest is hopelessly lopsided. It tends to ignore, and thus eventually to eliminate, many elements in the land community that lack commercial value, but that are (as far as we know) essential to its healthy functioning. It assumes, falsely, I think, that the economic parts of the biotic clock will function without the uneconomic parts. It tends to relegate to government many functions eventually too large, too complex, or too widely dispersed to be performed by government. "An ethical obligation on the part of the private owner is the only visible remedy for these situations." – Aldo Leopold
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The essential philosophy of the last Bush Administration was that "God" put the whole planet at our disposal to profit from. The landowner has a moral duty and responsibility to take stewardship. collectively, of that land which he does not own. I see both extremes where I live in Vermont. People who dump their garbage over a hill (it cost money to dispose of garbage, never mind recycle) , into a watershed and people who show up annually for "Green-up Vermont" day and pick up the garbage as well as being active in their local communities about land use all year round.
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Those vowing the Republicans will rise again. Ain't gonna happen unless they learn GOTV (Get Out The Vote). Billions spent by Karl Rove's and Koch's on negative advertizing couldn't defeat the ground operation. There are more people at the bottom than the top. Keep on demonizing, Rush You're pushing them right into our column.
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that voting for the extremist candidate who wants to gut social security, medicare, the epa, and privatize everything in sight -- all paul ryan objectives (and an ayn rand, "atlas shrugged" devotee) -- would be voting for your own demise, but that's just me.
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I think this election has shown the nation what a bag of nuts and bolts the Republican party truly is. The fact that "legitimate rape" was a discussion that made its way to the political stratosphere shows just how out of touch the Conservative brand is from the rest of the nation. Personally, as father to a daughter, there's no way in Hades I'd vote Republican after that kind of talk was entertained. Another big problem we have in this country is the media, and I'm not just talking about Fox News; the media has been allowed to get away with contorting and/or flat-out making up facts to persuade/dissuade the public, and it's appalling. Whatever responsibility to the public the media of yesteryear pledged, that code of ethics and conduct died out long ago. The problem is that they have no one but themselves to answer to, and they are the primary outlet for any and all information the majority of Americans receive on a regular basis. Morale Majority my left foot....
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it's really real....... reality sank in today when i was in my local grocery store, and the hostess section was already wiped out! no more suzy-q creamy particles to wipe off my face no more munchie time, no more lunchie time no more "any" time. hostess produced a fine line of laboratory made, industrial grade survival foods a culinary symphony of sugar, fat, and all things artificial with an ingredient list that only an accomplished chemist could appreciate chewy, gooey and who didn't feel better with a hostess product in their hand? just seeing the box brought about a sense of mild euphoria (i was pavlov's dog, incarnate, at the sight of a fresh suzy-q) not to mention that all hostess products qualified as an important part of a balanced vegetarian diet "the times they are a changin' " this is TRULY sweet - sorrow....... :(
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In case you haven't heard, the latest is Hostess will get a reprieve. All this talk is part of a hardball game between management and unionized bakers. The latest court challenge has rejected management's bankruptcy request...so that means prepare for frosting.
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i hadn't heard. that is definitely good news. ever since friday, i thought that maybe this really was the event the mayans were predicting.i feel cautiously optimistic now.............. maybe there's hope for those store shelves after all. and thanks, mike, for the link.............cool article.
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Been having difficulties with posting lately. Usually I get some kind of timing-out error message, but then when I check, the post is actually there. But right now I'm just filling up space to get rid of the double post that just occurred (I only hit save once, I swear!).
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Twinkies are still being produced in Canada. Road trip!
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Hope everybody out there has a happy, healthy and safe holiday weekend. (PS) Slow down, relax, listen to music in the car, no need to text while driving...
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Happy Thanksgiving y'all! Just made another WAG on 30 Days of November: haven't spent a lot of time on researching the daily selections. Appreciate the "picks" and the fun provided by DL. Sure hope the winter precipitation starts happening in the draught-stricken Rockies and great plains region: Hardly any snow on the mountains at Steamboat this morning.
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The Patriots lost Rob Gronkowski last week to a broken arm and I thought they might have a hard time against the Jets, a divisional rival like the Dolphins that often give them fits. No need to worry. Brady & Company, with superb coaching of Bellichek (His 200th career victory), jacked the Jets, stealing the football 5 times and marching easily up the field on offense to chew up the clock. In the last two games the Pats have scored 59 and 49 points respectively. Their defense ain't nothing to sneeze at either. With a seven and one divisional record, they are going to the playoffs with a first-round bye -- nobody close! Imagine when they are healthy? Gronkowski is due back for the playoffs. This Thanksgiving Day the Lions game was far more interesting to watch.
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The rich got richer and the poor got poorer, while I had a leftover turkey sandwich and graded student essays, which is my plan for today and tomorrow too.
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The election is over and people are trying to breath a sigh of relief. No need to talk about this again. Unfortunately, the fiscal cliff has thrown it back in our face. To be clear, it is about taxes and balancing the budget. The bad news is that it is is a one-sided debate. We have the debate being driven by old-fashioned conservative "balance-the-books" conservatives. Only today the Keynsians have raised their heads to chime in about the debate. The Brits and Europeans have gone through the conservative approach before and have now found themselves bogged down in a double-dip recession. The liberals are now floating more Keynsian ideas that would include the best of Obama's ideas (tax the freakin' rich) close loopholes, raise the capital gains tax to 20% and gut the military-industrial complex. Make cosmetic changes to entitlement programs, mostly making sure the rich can't take advantage of them. Then spend money on creating jobs, mostly by rebuilding America's infrastructure. We could have 4% growth in this country with that policy. The only thing standing in the way is the Republicans. Next time somebody asks you about the "Fiscal Cliff" give them this version or a variant for an answer, don't let somebody else's agenda dominate the debate.
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President Obama has personally approved 2500 drone strikes in his first four years. Talk about karma! Most of the people killed had it coming. They were plotting against us and would kill innocent people. This is a major escalation in the drone method, which allows us to attack enemies in countries where we have not declared war. The Obama administration, it was revealed today, made up rules to make sure the President always has the final say, instead of delegating the responsibility to others. They were afraid of what Mitt might do. People have remarked on the cold steeliness of Barak Obama. He is not a man to be crossed. I think people who doubt his resolve should watch how the Iranian nuke problem plays out...
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Palestine was admitted to the UN as an observer state last week. The entire world, 139 countries, voted for the resolution and two voted against, the US and Israel. Listening to the talking heads justifying the US move made me laugh out loud. The building of Israeli settlements is now the hugest obstacle to peace in the matter and the US insists it is other factors that are to blame. For a better understanding of how the US relates to Israel and against Palestine in this humanitarian tragedy, the building of the largest and most densely populated slum in the world, read Noam Chomsky's words on the subject. I don't have a specific book right off the top of my head, just google it and you'll find multiple words of his on the subject by Chomsky. What is the old saying? Treat other people the way you would like yourself to be treated? Israel should heed those words. Perhaps it wouldn't find itself reviled around the world.
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Royal Dutch Shell has announced publicly that through expansion of fracking shale oil and natural gas production the US will become the world's leading energy producer within ten years. This will in turn produce a manufacturing(!?!) boom in the US as energy is the driving cost factor in sending jobs overseas. It will now be again cheaper for manufacturing (and better for the environment) to be done in the US, most probably in the mid-west. This is a major WOW factor for the US. For the next 100 years we are guaranteed to be the strongest economy on the planet and our political ties to the Mid-East will change forever.
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Because Israel has announced new settlements in Gaza & the West Bank. Imagine in ten years when the US will no longer be that interested in the Middle East? Perhaps the 5 billion dollars a year in foreign aid to Israel can be used for more worthwhile causes within our own country.
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I hope you west coasters are doing okay with all the rain these past few days. The moisture has moved mostly northeast due to the jet stream and the strong gulf air pushing dry air north through the great plains, where we're setting high temp records. We can't buy a raindrop in eastern Kansas. Colorado ski resorts are hurting for snow. What snowfall amounts are registering in the Cascades and Sierras?
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You would be a good one to enter this Dogfish contest.
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I never condone violence. I only highlight this to show how pissed-off people are that the government is going to screw with our medicare and social security benefits, raising the retirement age to 67. Not a done deal you say? We elected Obama and he'll save the day you say? Don't count on it. The Democrats are going to cut a deal eventually that will include these provisions. Why do i know this? Because Democratic spokespeople like Howard dean are saying it already. Screw that and screw the democrats. We worked hard to retire at 65 and and NOBODY should be able to take that from us. All people who have their heads buried in the sand and don't listen to the news or have anything to do with politics? LISTEN! You won't be able to retire at 65 anymore unless you're in the top five percent of income earners. Are you? Do you have a combined income of more than 250k a year and have planned so well for retirement that you don't need these two things? Well aren't you special! I need them. I worked hard for them. This whole drama of the fiscal cliff is a bad morality play with bad actors and a bad script!!!