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basketball question
Tomorrow night I am invited to watch an international basketball match between Macedonia and Estonia. I have never played basketball and have never attended a basketball match and never paid much attention to the sport. I would appreciate any useful advice that would help me with this new experience and ensure I do not embarrass my hosts. Thank you
basketball jones
hey, cosmicbadger that sounds like fun. i think, youknow, don't throw anything on the court. let's see, when
they make a shot, i think thats 2 points, unless they
have three point shots in int'l play, in which case
if they are far enough away, and behind the
"three point line" when they shoot, that's
three points. a foul shot is one point. then you
just try to end up with more points than the
other team. do you care who wins? if not, you
can just appreciate the gracefulness and
athleticism of the players, and give good wishes
that everybody does their best and has a safe game.
but if you're rooting for one side or another, well,
hoot and holler, you should be hoarse by the end!
when i'm invited to a sports event, i just usually
try to enjoy the company i'm with, cause who
wins, i could care less. but i still love the beauty
of sport. if both teams really really want to win,
then the game takes on all sorts of levels and
nuances, that all comes down to how you
"use the clock" at the end. the team that wants
to win the most will generally find a way to
break down the other teams teamwork, while
sustaining their own team unity. if both are
equally matched, the team that plays as a
team, not a collection of individuals will
usually prevail. it's a beautiful thing to see.
enjoy , andy
>and ensure I do not embarrass my hosts. Thank you
probably just don't scream je-r-r-r-r-r-y during
the quiet moments and you'll be fine :)
I've gotta tell my basketball story...
Now let me preface this by saying that the last time I followed sports in any serious fashion, Sandy Koufax was pitching.
However, many years ago when I was working for the computer magazine that was the spinoff of BAM, I was on AOL (then a fairly new service) one day in the pets forum when I came across a guy looking for a dogsitter in Oakland. Ideally a live-in dogsitter, as he had a big place and traveled a lot. So I sent him an email referring him to my dogsitter, who had distinguished herself by her conscientiousness during the Oakland firestorm and who I thought might know just the person. So we chatted back and forth in email a bit, and finally the guy says, hey, if you're a Warriors fan and want to see a game, lemme know and I'll comp you some tix. Whereupon the lightbulb went off and I put two and two together and realized I was talking to one of our great local sports poobahs, who had been a Warriors owner at one point and was still connected in some fashion. So I was tickled by this, but since my interest was as above (see Sandy Koufax), I thanked him politely and thought little more of it.
Until some time later when I was walking down the hall and heard the boss bemoaning the fact that due to bad planning on his part his KIDS were using his season tickets for the upcoming game and he himself was shut out because the game was sold out. So, grinning to myself, I barged in and said, um, perhaps I can help, and explained the situation. As the boss is picking himself up from the floor (all else aside, I had never evinced the slightest interest in basketball), I explained that there was one catch, which was that I probably had to use one of the tickets just so if the guy came looking for me I'd actually be there. The boss decided he could live with this, so I made the phone call.
No sooner was I back in the boss's office explaining that the deed was done than the phone rang and the receptionist came in giggling to announce that someone named Franklin the Dog Lover was on the phone demanding to talk to me. So I got on the phone and the sports guy says "My secretary says you asked for tickets for this game. But she had a feeling you were going to give them to somebody else and not use them yourself!" So, thanking my lucky stars that I had anticipated this situation, I said no no, I was coming, and I hoped we could meet.
So the big day comes, and the boss and I get the tix and find ourselves in quite decent seats (in the risers at the Coliseum, if you'll remember from the shows). This was pretty swell. Then a woman in a Warriors business suit comes up and asks if I'm Mary Eisenhart. When I admit that I am and thank her for the seats, she says, come with me.
So the boss and I follow along with her, and the next thing we know we are ensconced in the COURTSIDE SEATS next to Franklin Mieuli his badself, who proceeds to tell us the fine points of the game and the inside scoop on the large athletic young men who nearly crash into us several times in the course of the evening and generally be an awesome host.
But that's not the best part. The best part is that unbeknownst to me, this was the night on which the Grateful Dead, or the Rex Foundation, I think, were presenting Sarunas Marciulonis with a big check for the Lithuanian basketball team (which, as we all knew, went on to win bronze in tie-dye uniforms funded by you-know-who). So it was flippin' old home week, and at halftime there we all were, McNally and various Dead dignitaries and many of my pals whooping it up with us in the VIP lounge.
It was, shall we say, an unforgettable experience, my first basketball game, even if it did fail to turn me into a real sports fan.
You go, Marye
What a great story! Thanks for sharing!
Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
Say marye, about that basketball game...
...great story, but you left out a couple of details:
Who was playing (Warriors vs ???)?
Who won?
Just curious.
game afterthoughts...
You know, as the mists of time clear away, I realize that I neglected to mention that I'm pretty sure Bobby and Mickey presented the actual check, though no, I did not hang out with them.
Warriors vs. Sacramento Kings. Only King I remember was the great Spud Webb, who was a real treat to watch. On the Warriors at the time, Chris Mullin, Chris Gatling (if I'm remembering right), Rooney as he was known, and various other cool folks.
As I recall, Warriors won, barely and in OT, I think. It was pretty great. It was also a long time ago!
"women are smarter"
Hey folks , I got a question I think i know the answer for but I want to see if anyone knows diferent , I`ll post my answer later .. Now , the song "women are smarter" ,, When was the first television debut and who sang this song ?
"women are smarter"
So stuman, do we post our answers here directly, or should we send them to you via PM a la the late, great False Alarm game so more people can play?
Speaking of which, when is ccJoe gonna bring that back? Hell, when is he gonna bring him back?
Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
Ok , thats it!
Marye, When are your memoirs coming out. No, I am not kidding. Let us know.
peace and thanks,pk
Hey Mr. Tallyman, tally me calypsoes...
King Radio wrote and recorded it on a trip to NYC in '36. Belafonte had the hit single in '52, and included it on his "Calypso" album in '56. Couldn't find a specific citation that Belafonte sang it on TV but I'm guessing he did; I'm not too savvy on your '50s variety shows. Belafonte appeared on TV several times in '55 and '56 (Colgate Comedy Hour, Nat King Cole Show, 28th Academy Awards) and I'm betting he sang this song on one of them. My official guess will be Harry sang it on the Colgate Comedy Hour in '55.
I did find out this:
"The song became so popular during the 1956-57 American calypso craze that Lucy, Desi, Fred and Ethel even sang it during an episode of the I Love Lucy television show."
Love it, MitD
Nice history lesson, thanks, much appreciated. Hearing the story behind the songs is a favorite of mine. Good stuff, King Radio, grate name!!
Fond memories of Harry Belafonte
Mom played Harry Belafonte all the time in the '50's -I was under 10......."Day-o, day-o
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Day, me say day, me say day, me say day
Me say day, me say day-o
Daylight come and me wan' go home".......there's more of course........Gypsy Cowgirl
xoxo
I love Lucy !!
Hey everyone gets it !! The I love Lucy show 1957 .. I just seen the show on tvland at like 4:00 am , and though wow well thats interesting .. wonder how many people Knew this .. Thank you !! And thanks for the history lesson ,, very cool ..
Hope everyone has a beutiful weekend !! stu ...
Peace...
Like you, Gypsy Cowgirl
Harry Belafonte brought a sexy twinkle to me old Mammy's eyes-so heard him alot as a kid. Mom always said "he is soo classy and sexy" and perhaps Mr. Belafonte is the only man on the planet where my mother and I would see eye to eye on that comment. Besides Paul Newman, of course.Took her to see him in concert for her 55th birthday, and he was just marvelous live. Charming, intelligent, classy, and very kindly there with his audience. Also probably the only concert that I ever saw AND enjoyed with my mother.
AWESOME basketball story marye-and C.B. am looking forward to your report on the big game tonight. After the tips you got here, you should be able to deport yourself like an old pro of basketball viewing. Just remember "slam dunk" like we were discussing last night, and you will be FINE :-)
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Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live.
Samuel Clemens
Calypso Lucy, did she limbo?
I'll have to look for that episode of "Lucy", that sounded hilarious when I read the article. It's kinda weird to think that as the war was going on in Korea, the Cold war was starting to heat up and the fight for civil rights was starting to get attention - the US had a "calypso craze"!
I don't know if you guys listen to CDs put out by the Putumayo world music label, but they do ethnic/regional/genre albums, mostly local artists. They have a bunch of great ones from the Carribean, and the "Calypso" album is awesome. Got some good reggae albums too. Rough Guide also has a good series.
Cool Idea-TL
Cool Idea-TL-will have to find where Harry Belafonte is playing near my mom & take her-that'd be fun! xoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
Didn't know much about Harry...
...other than the Banana Boat Song. Then I read the Wikipedia article and find out critically important information like:
*the "Calypso" album was the first million-selling album of all time (but it didn't make the Rolling Stone top 500 list)
*his album "Midnight Special" has the first recording of a obscure harmonica player - Bob Dylan
*The first TV show he sang "Day-O" on was the Muppet Show.
Well, there ya go, mon.
very interesting ...very cool ....
Well this got interesting , I did`nt even think abt. Belafonte , .. Cool , Thank you for the history lesson Mark !! I`m kinda like oroboros , I love knowing the history behind the music... Harry`s first album was named "Midnight Speacial" that is also interesting , considering in the late 70`s early 80`s (I think) there was the television show that featured many diferent bands , hosted by "Wolf Man Jack" it was called "The Midnight special" ..From what I understand the "calypso" style music was used to try to keep people`s minds off the cold war and everything else that was depressing to people .. And it was introduced to the U.S. via "Disney" writers who travled the world to find new ideas for the "Disney" theme parks ... And also brought back from some of the soldiers from WW1, who where stationed in the Islands .. OH , and Bob Dylan ,, wow !! I never would have thought about him during that era .. Very cool !! Nice research Mark ... This kinda turned into an interesting topic ,,
future forum maybe ? "History lessons".. Love food for thought !! I really enjoyed this .. Take care everyone ,, and thanks for playin' !! Hope everyone has a nice sunday !! Stu ...
Basket ball Report
Earlier I asked some advice about attending my first basket ball match: between Macedonia and Estonia. I had some nice responses so I owe you a report. That’s why it’s posted here.
We arrived early to get good seats, and by the time the game started the 7000 seat arena was packed with fans, mostly young, decked out with the red and gold of the Macedonian flag. One corner was occupied by the so called ‘Committee’, hard core local fans who led the singing and chanting around the arena. In a new young country in the heart of the Balkans what can you expect but patriotic passion verging on the extreme (but never spilling over into ugliness). Still, the uppermost row all round the arena was occupied by riot police with shields in case things got out of hand! Huge cheers as the team came out to warm up and jeers at the poor Estonians. In all the riotous noise a touching scene as a young boy, clearly the son of one of the local players and afflicted by (what looked like) cerebral palsy, joined the players for the warm up, fetching balls and then awkwardly but accurately tossing a ball into the basket from outside the 3 point line The crowd went wild!
In such an intimidating atmosphere Estonia never stood a chance. They were 25 points down half way through. In the third period the Macedonians started playing to the crowd and showing off. Estonia got back to within 9 with a succession of three point shots. People started looking nervous. But in the final period the locals upped their game and ran out winners 87-75. This means that Macedonia have qualified for the European finals and the crowd was vociferously pleased with that. Poor Estonians slunk of for the long flight home.
Some impressions as a basket ball novice.
I followed the action OK, except I could not work out the whole business with fouls. One minute they are playing the next they are all wandering up the other end while some one has 1 or 2 free throws for no apparent reason.
Some moments of breathtaking skill and dexterity and interplay. Sometimes it seemed like there was a magnetic bond between ball and player.
An amusing moment was when one giant Macedonia executed a spectacular slam dunk and succeeded in dislodging the whole basket-supporting rig and tearing out the electric supply that powered the clock over it. Rapid repairs required.
Growing up with soccer and rugby, I am not at all used to the rhythm of this game. In those sports it is hard to score and there are long tactical battles in the middle of the pitch. Here everyone just runs from end to end and are expected to score every time. I could not figure out the tactical aspects of what was going on, so it was often exciting but rarely absorbing if that makes any sense. Still that’s probably because I did not know what I was seeing and it was quite a one-sided game
One of the great joys of travelling is doing things like this. Getting to know people I work with outside the office, learning more about them, their culture and their country and doing things I would not consider doing when at home. Next time I am here it will be the European Women’s handball championship. Book me a ticket!
Hey stu...
...Midnight Special wasn't Belafonte's first album (I think the first album was in the mid-50's). Midnight Special was the first commercially released recording Dylan appeared on.
Glad everyone enjoyed it. Somebody should start a calyso vine!
Mark in the Dark
1956 was Belafonte's 1st album, according to Wikipedia encyclopedia. The Midnight Special album featured Bob Dylan (1962) He was recruited by Frank Sinatra for JFK Inaugural gala in 1961. Although born in Harlem, NY, his father was from Martinique & grandmother from Jamaica, where he lived with her for 4 years......He also spoke @ the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington DC......& of late (2002) He's been vocal about his opposition to President Bush, his administration & the Iraq War........He made more comments in a speech in 2006 @ Duke University......thank god for the encyclopedia!!!! OY, here we go again with politics.....Oh, No, just back to the music, please......GO OUT & VOTE!!!!! peace & love Gypsy Cowgirl
just curious
Mark in the Dark-how could Belafonte's million record sales in 1956 make Rolling Stone 500? Thought RS was started in the mid 60's......just curious....".& I bid you good night, good night, good night..."
"Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums of All Time"
says it all. There are a bunch of albums on the RS500 list that were made way before Rolling Stone the magazine existed (otherwise most of the Beatles albums wouldn't have made it).
all I know about Iko Iko
is that Nevilles are involved, the hit single in the early '60s was the Dixie Cups as I recall, and they were somehow connected to the Nevilles. There's a version on an album I've got by the Wild Tchoupitoulas, another Neville offshoot.
But where it was before the Nevilles I do not know!
Wiki Iko Iko
That's just fun to type: "Wiki Iko Iko".
Wikipedia has an article on Iko Iko, and the GOGD get a mention. Laissez le bon temps roulet!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iko_Iko
Songs performed by Pigpen
Can anyone provide me with or tell me where I can find a definitive list of every song performed by the Grateful Dead in which Pigpen sang lead vocals. I think I know most of them, but I’m not sure I’ve got them all, especially from the early days. As far as I can see none of the current GD databases let you search by lead vocalist. Any help greatly appreciated.
to the badger:
to the badger: still got a bit more time between flights, here/...
most? some? probably not all...
I repeated a few, I tried to do this from what little memory I have left, and gave up and searched.
peace.
Turn On Your Lovelight
Good Morning Little School Girl
Big Boss Man
I'm A King Bee
Death Don't Have No Mercy
Good Lovin'
Hard To Handle
Alligator
Easy Wind
Operator
Mr. Charlie
Chinatown Shuffle
Next Time You See Me
I'm A Hog For You
Hurts Me Too
The Stranger (2 Souls In Communion)
The Same Thing
Katie Mae
In The Midnight Hour
Don't Mess Up A Good Thing
Gangster Of Love
Ain't It Crazy (The Rub)
All Of My Love
Baby What You Want Me To Do
Big Boss Man
Big Boy Pete
Big Breasa
Bring Me My Shotgun
Come Back Baby
Don't Mess Up A Good Thing
Empty Heart
The Flood
Good Lovin'
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
Hard To Handle
Hey Jude
I Just Want To Make Love To You
I'll Go Crazy
I'm A Hog For You Baby
I'm A King Bee
I'm A Loving Man
In The Midnight Hour
It Hurts Me Too
It's A Man's, Man's, Man's World
It's All Over Now
Katie Mae
Little Red Rooster
Mannish Boy (I'm A Man)
Next Time You See Me
Pain In My Heart
Parchman Farm
Roberta
Run Rudolph Run
The Same Thing
Searchin'
She's Mine
Sick And Tired
Smokestack Lightning
There's Something On Your Mind
Turn On Your Love Light
Two Trains
Walking Blues
Who Do You Love
You Don't Love Me
might have missed a few, though.
Pigpentastic
Wow thanks CC
your kind researches have unearthed a few I have never heard of or heard. Now I'll have to find them and listen. Tough assignment :-)
Pigpentastic II
I just sent a copy of the list from CC to myself........mucho thanks!
my pleasure
badger, et al.
It is certainly my pleasure to share these little tidbits.
anyways, badger, you know I owe you big time.
setlists. net allows you to search by song,
but like in the case of:
01/13/66
The Matrix - San Francisco, CA
Set 1:
All Of My Love
Hog For You Baby
that is all there is... some of those Pig tunes go WAY back... and many ain't got no tape.
setlists also has a lot of links connected into archiv . org so you can usually get the show right up.
archive . org's search thing is a pain.
cheers, mate.
peace.
Have it somewhere
somewhere in my unorganized mess (in the process of getting organized) is my tape of all Pigpen songs. Don't know if it's all that he did, but the tape is only Pigpen.........hope I find it soon......the grandson is coming & must play it for him!!!!! xxoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
Help on Bob Fried
A friend who has a radio program in Baton Rouge was playing "Bob Fried Memorial Boogie" and asked "who knows how Bob died"?. I've been on the web and can't seem to find much except that he passed away in San Mateo in 1974.Any help would be greatly appreciated. Happy High Holidays.
Jim in Austin
I have that Pigpen tape too...
... I heard it was made for Brent, to school him on the Pig vibe...
Question?
Why is it when someone googles our new Store that my posts on dead.net show up??What's up with that Privacy clause, i dont need everyone reading our posts, I find that really weird! It even happens when I google my missing brother ,all my posts on dead.net show up!
My posts are for dead.net friends not everyone in the world :(
Maybe I better watch what aI post for now on! I just may stop posting for good
Peace!
I had NO IDEA!!
Wow, I wonder if that that's the case for all of us?? Very good question!! The stuff I post here is "Our" stuff, so FUCK THAT!!!
I'm really glad you let those of us who didn't realize, what was going on!!
PEACE
Um
search engines (like Google) scour websites and index their contents. That's just what they do. And these forums are accessible by anyone, whether or not they are "actual users" or "logged in." Meaning that search engines can and do access and index the site's publicly available content.
So it only makes sense to exercise reasonable caution when posting to a forum. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't post things. It just means that people should think before posting. If it isn't something that you're okay with the rest of the world reading, then you might want to either edit or reconsider.
And this is hardly the only site on the net that gets regularly scraped by the likes of Googlebot, MSNbot, Yahoo Slurp, Alexa et al. In fact, it's that constant scraping and indexing that makes those search platforms so damn handy for hunting things down.
There's good and bad in everything. If you want privacy, the PM's won't be externally indexed or searched. Likewise chat, although anything you post there will be visible to anyone else participating in the chat. A forum post is much more akin to a public announcement in the town square than a discreet aside inside of a private club.
Again, I'm not attempting to speak for the site's owners, this is just my personal understanding as a web-aware computer geek.
Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
Mr. Pid's right
This is just how Google works. I've said it before and I'll say it again: anything you post on the forums is world readable. You do not have to log in to read this stuff, you just have to log in to post.
I refer you to our original TOS, Very Few Rules, which concludes:
5. As the old adage says, never say anything online that you wouldn't want to see on the front page of the New York Times. Rule #1 notwithstanding, as a practical matter there is no guarantee that anything you post here will not wind up on 600 blogs, Homeland Security's database, Digg, or your prospective employer's Google search. Post accordingly.
This is still true and it's unlikely that there will ever be a time in the evolution of the Internet that it is not true. It is very difficult to balance the freedom and euphoria of talking to like-minded souls with the fact that you're doing so in an extremely insecure medium, and that your posts can be freely distributed God knows where, some out of approval and some out of malice. But that is the way it is. You cannot ever know who is reading what you post.
Kinda like the parking lot. Something for everyone, but not smart to run around saying "Doses! Doses!" among strangers. Watch each card you play and play it slow. Thanks.
And if someone's freaked out about a particular post of theirs, send me a PM and I'll see if I can remove it. If it involves decimating a discussion, probably won't happen, but if it's the isolated What Was I Thinking? or some such, we can probably arrange something.
R U talking on a cell phone??
aaaahhh!!! prank call, prank call..... delete, bend, fold , aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
i hadda privacy once
took the corpsman 3 shots ta get rid of it (them suckers hurt, too!)
OHS Official Announcement
Since we are the Oabama Administration, even though we have the NSA scrape and archive every word typed into this site, we pledge to not waterboard anybody for anything they said or send them to a hellhole 3rd world jail to have electrodes attached to their genitalia. We won't even do the bad cop/good cop routine and pretend to be your friend. You have been pronounnced completely drug-addled and hardly a threat to yourself, never mind the national security of the USA.
So chill & inhale, Hope it's good shit and will Change your head space.
Barak & The Team
The Death of Free Speech & Privacy
When every person in this nation is captured on surveillance tapes an average of 7 times per day and the phone company is allowed warrantless wiretapping, it is safe to assume that unless you live without a computer and phone and at the end of three dirt roads without a PO Box, never mind a mailing addess, and you don't have a social security card, a driver's license, a car registration, a bank account or a credit card and you don't own land or vote, you are probably in one database that interconnects with others until finally you are in every database and anybody with $125 can do a search on you and crawl right up your back side and might as well be inside your brain.
It has been clear to me since I registered on this website some 18 months ago that there is at least ONE (& probably dozens) of adware sites that are targeting all registered users. I got in touch with that ONE, based out of SF & Emeryville, and was told that because I was deadhead I deseved the "best of spam" (alternative, green, hip, etc.). To be as clear as I can, this company is owned by hippies and not associated, as far as I know, with members of the band or the people who organize and manage them or the people who originated and run and moderate this site.
I think it really sucks that some people don't feel they can speak their minds (while not getting totally outrageous). I think we have lost our freedom to the ad. biz. Mad Men, not some evil Machiavellian power-trippers. It's the people with money, making money, who can do this shit. I think people have been pushing for freedom for a long time and unfortunately, there are too many human being in too small of a place to have it anymore, while still living among other human beings.
"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your soul it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. The man comes and takes you away. You gotta stop, listen -- Hey whats that sound? Everbody looks what going down."
gonz.....it's all true
but they ARE the machiavellian power-trippers.....and they don't look past the dollar signs, cuz they know they don't HAVE to........!.....step outa line, the man come.....and take you a-way....
yep
Yes same here I googled myself and found me Wow, I'm famous haha. Anyway is cause it's in the internet library. So don't post nothing too personal.
But you guys may like this though, Google my name, (get it from my profile), and you'll see me under Missouri Conservationist magazine. Had a picture and article posted there is pretty cool check it out.
Getting closer to show time weeeeeeeeee.