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    What's Inside:
    •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
    •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
    • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
    •8 complete shows on 23 discs
          •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
          •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
          •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
          •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
          •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
          •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
          •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
          •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
    Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
    Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
    Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
    Original Art by Jessica Dessner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

    Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

    "If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

    Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

    With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

    For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

    Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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  • #761
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    Boy, the sound on this is incredible.
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    The Relix sight has more tracks from each show to check out. http://www.relix.com/media/audio/grateful_dead_spring_1990 Looks like this will be the best Grateful Dead release ever!
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    Take your political discussion to another board please.....This should be about the music. Thanks
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    Thank you for comments, Matchewy. They were helpful. My only main disagreement to you is that i'm falling on deaf ears. although that's probably more than possible, so it's not even a disagreement. but i'd rather than not, it's a minimal effort. and besides, the effort is put in because i love this place for all my problems and critiques. dead.net is one of the only nongrocery and nonhardware or non-locally-sourced stores that i buy from (i live in ithaca, though, so local and progressive economies are doing between than most other places). what about this. i or we or whoever is interested says to dave: "hey, dave we would like to participate. not to unionize or ask for benefits or make demands, but to know what happening, to be able to have a voice that is at least heard if not listened to. many of us even know people trained specifically in helping companies lower carbon footprints, increase labor benefits, finding cleaner companies from which and to which they outsource on the production and distribution sides PRECISELY WHILE SURVIVING AND GROWING. we would make suggestions, but that's it (i mean, it's not like we're in a position to have any sort of power). perhaps a person or small group representing itself (or others if others are interested) would be able to learn more about the whole economic system you're specifically dealing with. and perhaps we could informed of company changes and maybe sit in on board meetings." the idea, then, would not be revolutionary or hostile to the confines of global capital, but to try to at least participate in it, encourage itself to proceed as ethical and economically and politically as possible, even if one teeny step at a time. this type of participation in fact would be revolutionary, even if a very small step: imagine a subsidiary company creating a genuine politico-economic line of communication with its customers. that would be UNHEARD OF! and it's possible.
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    The economic illiteracy here is incredible. I have no doubt the Asians who were already rich enough to make it here would have issues with those who are now making it (for some perspective delve into Thailand's issues over the past 15 years). For 15 years I have been traveling S.E. Asia the vast majority of people in Thailand,Vietnam and Cambodia are doing far better and there's some real hope for Laos & even Burma. As for the religious bigotry no need to respond. You are technically right about Socialism that's why I added Statism or Command Economy they are all the same thing. An unfortunate fact though not PC is before decolonization Africa was able to feed itself. After the 1 man 1 vote 1 time socialist revolutions starvation reigned. The previous statement is not pro imperialism it simply decries the fact that at the time Socialism was viewed as a panacea
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    You actually did make the points you claim not to.My statements were not the time honored music should be free (Monetize Music?) Even Jerry enjoyed the good life that his art enabled him to participate in. How do you think he got to Hawaii. They were facts based on 240 years of economic science (Adam Smith anyone)
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    I get where you are coming from, and I pretty much agree with you on your points, feelings, and desires. And no, I don't think Asian development is as simple as "good". I work in an entirely Asian lab, and I hear regularly about the problems that have come with the very rapid Asian development. And no, Socialism is not to blame for the state of the entire African continent. Africa is a continent, not a country. The factors at play for the instability there are many and complex./ Two very general culprits, especially in the northern half of the continent, are Christianity and Islam. Those two religions and their schism have ripped the northern half to shreds. Add to it global exploitation from the East and West, and you have a very big mess. However, donahue.luke, I do not agree that taking your proposed revolution to DL's doorstep is appropriate or effective. I would argue that global corporate capitalism has created an economic environment where small companies like Rhino (I know they are a part of WEA, but still) have to follow certain rules to survive. For example, my particular weapon of choice when it comes to backpacking and hiking footwear is a small company out of Montana. They state clearly and transparently that yes, their shoes are manufactured in China, but they cannot stay afloat manufacturing in the US as they would like to. So, while having to compromise, they use the opportunity in overseas manufacturing to have a positive influence in the countries where they manufacture their products. I believe Rhino is no different, and I also believe Doc Rhino, Mary E., and even DL probably empathize and even share our frustration at the lack of communication in the supply chain. So yes, the ultimate choice to avoid participating in this entire system would be to boycott consuming from the dead.net store, Rhino, WEA, etc. Another option would be actual political activism in that venue, and even discussion. I too believe we shield ourselves from valuable discussion regarding politics and religion, and it is to the detriment of our society that the only time we feel free to discuss is to argue talking points back and forth, mainly on internet forums. Which brings me to this point, popping up rather randomly with this discussion is pretty out of place, and to organize with the intent to confront DL is rather misdirected. Also, going off on a what is perceived as a tangent just falls on deaf ears. forcing the conversation will not change that. As Dr. King regularly discussed, social acceptability is a powerful tool in activism, and going against the grain brazenly can do more harm than good. I appreciate you thoughts and passion, but perhaps you take some time to refine your plans for activism and consider maximum effectiveness and accuracy.
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    The politics are already here. It's whether we ignore politics or attempt a responsible living throughout supposedly nonpolitical areas. One can ignore and converted into a consumption machine. or one can try to recreate consumption as a political and participatory activity. But you're desire to exclude, to produce a nice and comfortable barrier between pleasure and politics says enough. I'm more than sad that this is the attitude.
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    I would like to see an artist profile posted for the artist for this new box set as was done for those artists who did the previous boxes and Daves picks.
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    I'd prefer single show options too. I've only been listening for under a year, and am still getting exposed to all the eras. I've listened to six of the shows on archive (saving 3/29 for the discs) and am listening to the Disco Biscuits GOTV show with Bill and Mickey before I finish the box run. Overall, I'm glad I listened, but I do not think I would listen to all the shows again. If they did a compilation like So Glad You made It, that could work too. The more the merrier. Pat
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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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Submitted by cassidy111 on Mon, 09/08/2014 - 22:19

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I can't wait to hold this in my hand. Keep them coming, i am in! First box set is through the roof, sooooo well done, sound is amazing, keep the good times rollin. Jerry thank's you, i thank you. A great time to be alive.
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Submitted by sykes on Mon, 09/08/2014 - 22:38

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My copy arrived Downunder this afternoon (Tuesday) so glad I didn't pay extra for the express delivery. Another beautiful box, now for the music.
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Submitted by ozdh on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 00:02

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My big box arrived yesterday in sunny South Australia and in every which way, the total package and contents are just absolutely perfect!
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Submitted by Younger_than_Y… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 02:01

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Thank you Dead.net A very beautiful box and I can not wait to start listening. While waiting for this I have been doing the rounds of 72-73 but this tour is my favourite. Only complaint is that the music is 'too perfect' hahaha. From Camden to Rydalmere I will be rocking these shows to and from work. Think I will start tonight though by putting 3/14 on my ipod. Thank you to all those who worked on this box set. Great job!
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Submitted by matchewy on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 02:51

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Love Ryan Adams, and looking forward to the new album. I will try to get to my local shop today to pick up the wax.
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Submitted by evgraham on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 06:34

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Does anyone know where I could find digital/.jpg versions of the "album art" for each of the individual shows in the Spring 1990 TOO box? Thanks for any help!
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Submitted by clmartin on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 08:11

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My box just now arrived at my doorstep in Tennessee. A day earlier than I expected! Box number 5,837 of 9,000.
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Submitted by lebowski99 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 09:43

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Saw Ryan last night in DC for his record release show. He was in great spirits and the band sounded really tight. New stuff was pretty strong, if a bit poppy. Surprised, but I don't think he played anything pre Cold Roses/Jacksonville Nights. No covers, though people did holler out for Wharf Rat and Bird Song. Good time all around.
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Submitted by EdTheHead on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 09:45

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Yes I think wjonjd is right. Reading about the mixup "I know the packaging and shipping of these is probably outsourced..". I admit I buy a few CDs a month. Many come from ImportCDs. Same packaging, labeling, and return address in Shepherdsville KY as dead.net. Still waiting on a shipping notice for my TOO box.
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Submitted by mayormarionbarry on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 10:49

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I PAID 160.00 FOR THE DOWNLOADS AND THERE IS NOTHING TO DOWNLOAD. JUST EMPTY LINKS. EVENTUALLY IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOWNLOADS. CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE. THEY TOLD ME IT TAKES 7-10 DAYS FOR THE DOWNLOADS TO ARRIVE.
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Submitted by hbob1995 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 11:16

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Rhino moved over 1,000 units this week. That means they will all be gone in about a week from now, so please, all of you true Heads, get them now while they are still available. I don't want to see anyone miss out and I certainly do not want this site filled for weeks with folks complaining that they didn't get it and that Rhino screwed them by limiting the amount sold. Anyone who wants this (and who wouldn't?) has had plenty time to get on board. You procrastinators out there, now is the time to pull the trigger or forever be quiet. I am counting the hours until mine hits CT. this Friday.Rock on
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Submitted by bliss on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 11:35

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I'm shocked that this has arrived in Canada for the release date. I'm pretty rural and don't think i've ever received an official release within 3 weeks of launch. The box is beautiful looking - can't wait to get into it. Problem is, I'm still digesting DaP 11 which only just (finally) arrived a few days ago. $23.53 duty for you other canucks out there ...
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Submitted by Coconut Phil on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:09

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My copy arrived today, very happy with it. Really nice box, solid sound quality. The coin is really a nice touch. If you are still on the fence, better get it now while you can. I'm sure the second they sale out they will be on Ebay for 40% more. Great release, now please tell us about DP12. Jam on! Peace
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Submitted by jmalcorn on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:17

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I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.
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Submitted by jmalcorn on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:17

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I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.
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Submitted by hseamons on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:28

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AAC is a lossy format, comparable to high quality mp3. ALAC (Apple Lossless) is…lossless. It says AAC above, but I have read these should be Apple Lossless files. Just wanted to clarify for any confusion that might be here. Carry on….CARRY ON...
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:56

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The sound is amazing! Gonna be a long, long, crazy, crazy night Silky, silky, crazy, crazy night.
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Submitted by darkstartheoth… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:08

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So where's the number at as I can't find it on mine?
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:17

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It's on the coin under the lid.
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Submitted by darkstartheoth… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:20

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Thanks fourwinds!
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Submitted by CORAZZA on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 18:17

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I'd like to buy this spectacular box. I'd like to touch and smell all the things inside this box and of course listen these HDCDs, but I live in a country named Brazil. Some people in Europe don't like to pay U$50 -U$100 in import taxes and fees. It would be a dream to me pay this. Do you believe that in my country I would pay over U$240,00 only in import taxes + fees? I'm not kidding! 100%! It's our goverment....The highest taxes and no hospitals, no schools... ok some new and beatiful soccer stadiums. Does anyone know a place on earth where the import taxes and fees are so high? I have U$ 240,00 but I don't have U$ 520,00 ( 240 - box + 40 - shipping to Brazil + 240 or more from import taxes and fees). Hey you from USA, buy it! Think in my case. The price is not so high. I need to move to USA, Europe or maybe the sunny Australia. It's sad to be a Dead head in Brazil...
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Submitted by hamilton002 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:57

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I don't know how to get a suggestion to David, so I'm going to post it here and hope that someone relevant sees it. Regarding the downloads.... since most people probably don't burn their lossless downloads to CD, is it possible to have the second sets made seamless for the downloads? I understand the fade-ins and fade-outs at the end of the discs, but if the files aren't being burned to disc it would be nice to have Drums>Space seamless, instead of "Drums>Space fade-out" followed by "Drums fade-in>Space". Just a thought! Aside from that... keep doing that awesome thing that you do!
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 14:54

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If I'm not mistaken I read they would not be ready until the end of the month...?
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 14:56

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I just read my mistake.
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Submitted by hamilton002 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:02

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No, you're right. I'm just asking if, when they appear, they can be in that format (if they aren't already).
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:20

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I am sure you will get it , even if there is a hiccup right now. I'm one of those (have to have it just in case people) I bought the box but it will be transferred to my pc and burnt for the car or whatever. I just don't have the pc power to trust myself not losing it. I hope you get it the way you want. I know customer service must be inundated with problems right now. But they are good people.
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:33

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1. We believe the technical issues with the downloads are now fixed. Please speak up if you experience an alternative reality. 2. Apple Lossless, CD quality audio are available now. The HD FLAC files will be along soon. 3. Cover art is now available on the download page. Sorry for the issues, but hope all is good now. Thanks and happy downloading!
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Submitted by jpreston on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 18:00

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does anyone know if spring vol one downloads are going to be the 24 track or 2 track
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Submitted by swiftundertoe on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 22:27

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Oh no!I told myself (and my wife) that I didn't need this box especially after I saw the price... then I heard some of the music and saw the spoiler video... Can I let it go? It's going to be a tough decision. Don't have much 1990 in the collection... But it sounds so good!
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 01:59

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Jump on it man! Less than 1500 as of yesterday. Better to grab it while ya can than regret it down the road...
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 05:14

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Just a note about the lossless downloads. Since the ALAC files are lossless, this means they can be easily converted to wav and flac (and back again) with zero change in sound quality. So you can create your own flacs from alac. Now, since the flacs are listed as "HD FLAC" I,m going to assume that they will probably be 24bit 96khz files as opposed to 16bit 44.1khz (cd quality) or at least something over what they are encoding for the alac files. However, (and what I'm about to discuss frequently upsets audiophiles), I urge you to google studies concerning people's ability to distinguish 24bit 96khz from 16bit 44.1khz recordings. There have been several from top universities, and their results and methodology have been extensively scrutinized. These are all scientifically designed studies, some using surprisingly large sample sizes. Most of these studies are fairly similar to each other. Double blind - no one participating in each listening session knows at the time which recordings are hd (24) or sd (16). They used multiple audio systems ranging from top end systems and speakers designed by audiophiles, down to basic systems. They used professional headphones down to basic equipment. They chose many different types of music. They checked to make sure that hd recordings were from the same source/mix as the sd recordings. That is frequently not the case, by the way, and is one reason many people are sure they can tell the difference. They usually chose large numbers of participants who self identify as audiophiles or not, musicians or not, a large range of ages, backgrounds, etc. The results of all studies recognized as scientific (that I am aware of) have been basically the same. The rate at which each user can correctly pick which recordings are sd or hd is about 50%. A coin toss. Audiophiles fared no better than others, with highest percentages being around 52%, and some studies then when back to people like that and found that the more music samples they tried the closer the success rate approaches 50%. Some of the write ups go into great detail into methodology of the studies, and if you read them you will begin to see how hard it is to try to duplicate doing tests like this at home (although it can be done). Some of the things that can bias results are NOT obvious. Many will always disagree, but so far as I know NO study has found ANYONE, who can, under their controlled environment, distinguish 16 bit recordings from 24 bit recordings from the same source at anything significantly over 50% (same as guessing). Btw, this doesn't mean things like SACD don't sound better than their cd counterparts. But they use more playback tracks than stereo (like 5.1), are almost always special mixes, etc. it's not apples to apples, and these studies indicate the great improvement is not due to just the difference between 24 bit and 16 bit or 96khz and 44.1khz. Just something to think about before you spend extra for hd when the source is identical.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:12

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If they would have had them listen to 24/96 flies on a good system for a period of say a week or so and then switched back to 16/44 files then I think they would have heard a difference.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:15

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Now what we need is Fillmore West '69 and Europe '72 available in HD FLAC.
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Submitted by brianhahne on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:39

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THIS is the box set. I have everything the band has ever put out...This outdoes the original 1990 box set for sound and it out does it for quality of the box set. I LOVE THE TIGER COIN IN THE COVER! OMG! It nearly brought tears to my eyes.... Jerry would have loved this. He really would have. Listening to disc 1, song 1 as I type... *sigh* can't wait til I get to the shows I was at. This is so nice. THANK YOU DAVE LEMIEUX.
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Submitted by Dancingbear.dk on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 07:05

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#711 has arrived in Denmark. Really cool number, just like #710 would have been. Anybody here got that?This box is a work of art, and I've not even started listening yet. Thank you, David & Rhino!
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Submitted by Bearbait on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 07:35

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Since Spring 1990 (The Other One) is now available digitally, why not do what you did for the Europe '72 box set and offer the shows individually as well? Not every Head has that sort of spare change lying around, and it would be nice to have the opportunity to hear more of this truly great era. Anyway, I went out and picked up Wake Up To Find Out as a consolation prize (but what a prize!), and am not interested in paying for a show I already own. Anyone else out there think this is a good idea?
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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 08:56

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As stated in the digital download FAQs, FLAC files cannot be played in Windows Media Player. However, there is a plug-in which makes this possible, namely "Directshow Filters for Ogg Vorbis, Speex, Theora, FLAC, and WebM" from Xiph.org. The file (opencodecs_0.85.17777.exe) can be found here: http://www.xiph.org/dshow/
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:35

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@fourwindsblow - That may be. And it may not. Before sticking to your opinion on this go ahead and look up the studies that have been done on this, read them thoroughly, and see if you change your mind. Because in order for what you say to be true all of the studies would have to be flawed in just such a way to create the 50% success rate they all get. See what you think after you read them. Or don't. It's not my money. And, even if someone can't hear a difference, if they think they can and they're happier, that's fine too. You say things like "on a good system." Have you looked at what they used. Most of them didn't just use a "good system". The very purposely used severly "excellent systems" AND several "very good" systems AND several "basic" systems, etc. That's the whole point behind a truly scientific study. Address all known variables that might bias results. Not just the "sound system", but the people (audiophile, musician, other), ages (teenagers with young years, twenties, thirties, etc.), listening environment, kinds of music, and even factors that wouldn't necessarily seem relevent like educational background. They make as sure as possible that something as simple as "as is the system good enough" doesn't affect the ability of the study to be able to answer the question they are studying - can people hear the difference between A and B. Anyway, as long as people are happy it doesn't really matter.
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Submitted by jbarr on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:45

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wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days
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Submitted by jbarr on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:46

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wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days
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Submitted by Anatexis22 on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:12

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For what it's worth, whether you believe in the superior quality of high-definition recordings or not, HD-Tracks is advertising digital downloads of Wake Up to Find Out: Nassau Colisuem: Uniondale, NY 3-29-1990 at both 96/24 ($40.98) and 192/24 ($53.98) sampling rates. Presumably, it's available now for download. http://www.hdtracks.com/wake-up-to-find-out-nassau-coliseum-uniondale-n… It will be interesting to see if the rest of the set is listed at these higher rates.
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Submitted by boblopes on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:24

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I'm curious if this experiment were performed with a recording of a piece of music the listener was very familiar with. Could they pick up any nuances between the 16 bit and 24 bit versions? I have not read the study, so I don't know that info. But if one listens to a piece of music that person may not intimately know, I think the brain will be absorbing the composition as a whole, so it might not pick up the nuances between 16 bit and 24 bit.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:55

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What I was saying was have them listen to 24/96 files for a little while before doing the A/B tests.
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Submitted by boblopes on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 12:23

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I'm in agreement. I was just curious if I could tell the difference with some of my "reference CDs": Darkside of the Moon, Aja, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Revolver, DP3, DaP5, Orig LedZep Box, Babylon by Bus on really good audio gear. With that said, as I wait patiently for S90TOO (Friday delivery), I've autoripped the amazon mp3 of Wake Up set that I bought for my buddy's birthday in a couple of weeks and it sounds awesome on the office stereo - can't wait to crank it up from the boxset in HDCD on the big boy stereo! Since I only have a better than average stereo (far from an audiophile rig found on audiogon), I don't think I could tell a difference.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 12:47

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I'm pretty sure that Dark Side of the Moon is one of the ones that had a complete remix/remaster than the CD. Here is a link that shows and describes the differences in the mastering of the CD and the SACD of DSM. When you are done reading it you will see than anybody would probably be able to tell the differenced between them, even if they had both been put out in 16/44.1 http://www.stereophile.com/news/11649/ You really need to read the studies to begin to realize how much went into trying to find out whether the human ear can detect those differences. The people looking had no agenda other than trying to answer the question. It can't be too much of a coincidence that all the academic studies come up with the same results.
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