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  • chicagobob
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    Hey Phat,.....You''ve gotta lot of splaining to do......
    chicago bob YOU JUST OPENED UP THE PROVERBIAL, PANDORA'S BOX. Got to give this some thought!!!!
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    You cant explain to them-thats part of what makes it so cool.
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    HOW DO YOU XPLAINE A DEAD SHOW?
    Hey all,Got a question for any one that cares to listen.... HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN A DEAD SHOW? I was wondering, ive tried to explain a grateful dead show to family, friends and co-worker, but all I can come up with is saying that its the kindest people you'll ever meet in the world. I try to talk alot about the music,but todays generation is more into the heavy metal or rap scene. So I guess what i'm asking is how do you explain to somebody thats never heard the music or been to a show what its like? Any feedback on this would be great! Peace Phatmoye
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    i think they ought to have a big Jerry/Buddha on the stage and after each song if the decibel meter doesn't redline from the cheers it should blow out a puff of smoke and say "hey!, what the fuck is this!" I love Bobby, Phil, Billy, and Mickey. I hope they make a billion dollars and then put on a big free concert this summer, preferably in the mountains in the middle of God's country here in Oregon! I'm glad they have another chance to play together and may our hope inspire them.
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    who cares!!!!! interesting read? my Gawd................
    chicago bob Is that rock gamer bullyock for real, does anyone think that Uncle John's Band is akin to KUMBAYA. That read is not interesting, is is blasphemous, and who cares, anyway. No more clutter, please.
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    $53 tix
    problem w/ ticketmaster and their cheap seats is that they are only available for a short time on-line. chances are come sat. when they go on sale, a 1/2 hour in- they will tell you tix are no longer available and the will give you a link to TicketsNow -which will have plenty of tix at obscene prices
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    Answer The Trivia question right and get 2 tickets to the Forum show. W/possible upgrade to the 1st 5 rows. Broken heart don't feel so bad......You ain't got half of what you thought you had.
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    sell their rights to rhino records?
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    Everything below was taken from the following link: http://www.rockgamer.com/2009/01/21/more-grateful-dead-heading-to-rock-… Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:00 pm Posted in Rock Band, Rock Band DLC, Rumors Earlier this morning, IGN posted an article on a Grateful Dead Pack headed to the Rock Band Music Store. The article has since been pulled, so somebody, somewhere must have goofed. Unfortunately, this is the internet, and you can’t always take back something once it’s been posted. See the full article’s text below that lists all of the songs, as well as the writer’s opinion on whether or not you should consider the buy. Rock Band Refresh: Grateful Dead Pack Full of greatness or just plain grating? by Nate Ahearn January 20, 2009 - Every Tuesday, MTV Games and Harmonix release new downloadable tracks for Rock Band on Xbox Live Marketplace for your rocking pleasure. But before they hit the ‘Net, they hit the IGN offices. Each week we’ll announce the new tracks alongside our impressions of the new content. So check back weekly for the latest on what’s new, what’s hot and what’s worth a download. A pack that will strike a particular chord with San Francisco residents (where IGN is located), Grateful Dead brings their second Rock Band offering. The pack includes six songs spanning a wide breadth of Grateful Dead tunage. Tracks range from Cold Rain and Snow from 1967 all the way up through 1987’s Hell in a Bucket. While I’m personally not a fan of Grateful Dead’s brand of classic rock, there’s no denying their impact on the music industry. For that reason, it’s a good thing that the band has been given its due in its second Rock Band pack. While every instrument doesn’t perform perfectly on the whole pack, there’s at least one in each track that everyone should be able to enjoy. Cold Rain and Snow Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 3 | Guitar 2 | Drum 3 | Vocals 1 | Bass 5 One of those super-rare tracks that provides a challenge for bass players. The rest of the instruments are serviceable, but the main guitar riff gets a little repetitive over time. It’s a fairly tough one, too. Like many of the tracks on this pack, Cold Rain and Snow is best enjoyed on hallucinogens. Verdict: Possible Download Doin’ That Rag Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 4 | Guitar 2 | Drum 3 | Vocals 6 | Bass 4 No doubt, this is the toughest vocal song in the pack. Singers, be warned: the odd timber and pitch of the lyrics are very tough to emulate perfectly. There’s also a very tough and very long guitar solo that ends the song. Thankfully “Doin’ That Rag” does a good job of differentiating itself from the rest of the pack and is one of the best of the six. Verdict: Must Download Don’t Ease Me In Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 3 | Guitar 3 | Drum 3 | Vocals 1 | Bass 4 If you can hammer-on and hammer-off, you should be fine. If you can’t, you’re screwed. Don’t be fooled by the moderate difficulty rating for the guitar, it’s pretty tough. The vocals, while not as challenging, are still fun thanks to the upbeat nature of the song. Verdict: Must Download Fire on the Mountain Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 3 | Guitar 2 | Drum 4 | Vocals 0 | Bass 0 The drum portion, while the most difficult instrument in the song, is pretty unimaginative and repetitive, sadly. The same goes for the vocals and bass. The guitar part does a good job of working its way around the pad, but overall, “Fire on the Mountain” is unimpressive. Verdict: Don’t Download Hell in a Bucket Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 4 | Guitar 3 | Drum 4 | Vocals 6 | Bass 3 My personal favorite of the songs on this pack. Every instrument is fast and fun with the vocals providing the biggest challenge. Playing both the guitar and drums is a physical challenge with reaches and quick movements required for both. If there’s one to get, in my opinion this is it. Verdict: Must Download Uncle John’s Band Price: 160 Microsoft Points ($1.99) Difficulty: Band 2 | Guitar 2 | Drum 3 | Vocals 0 | Bass 1 “Uncle John’s Band,” like the name might indicate to some, is a pretty ho-hum song. It’s about as close to singing “Kum Ba Yah” as Grateful Dead gets. The guitar has some difficult portions, but there’s much to it. If you can sing soothingly then you should be able to nail the peaceful vocals. Verdict: Possible Download
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    RE: $53 in Jersey
    Tis true..............also MSG will have tics for $54.50 come Saturday when they go on sale to the general public. You can look on Ticket Master's website.
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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how is it that tickets are not on sale yet, but on Stub Hub they are selling tickets for Albany...form $199 - over $1,000?????
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Just like the superbowl, out of thousands of seats theres actually few real buyers. Most of the tickets go to vip's, promotions, radio contest, etc. The 60's are gone, no more digger philosophy of things being free and playing in the park for nothing. Theres greenbacks to be made good sir. 5 minutes after phish announced their summer tour i had every detail i needed , and i havent fount out shit about the dead tour since they announced it. Guess im just impatiant. sorry about the negative vibes, seems alot of people are wondering the same though. Just not feeling loved by the dead team.
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Hey, now. I think it's cool that we've got the presale info we've got and not any more. Imagine if a password was already known. Talk about ticket shut-out. As it is, I'm amazed at how many non-heads are asking me about the tour announcement--just that much info made about every surviving US paper and flew around cyberspace. I remember once when I wanted String Cheese tickets and wasn't a member of their online site. I didn't get the needed password and had to wait on tix. That was the last time I didn't sign up and sit tight. It's all good. Talk about exciting!
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To all of you who have never looked into the way that basketball/hockey arena concert tickets get scalped, here is the process: SEASON TICKET HOLDERS (usually only the FULL season tickets, not the partial season packages) in SOME seating areas have, as a sales incentive, the right to purchase their same seats (and/or, in some cases, preferred location floor seats) for virtually all concerts and special events on a "right of first refusal" basis. That means that anyone with season seats can simply notify the arena (within a short window of opportunity) that they wish to exercise their concert ticket option, pay the list price for the tickets (plus the standard "service fee" to cover the cost of shooting an 8" x 1-1/2" piece of thin cardboard out of a printer slot) using their on-file credit card information, and the tickets are mailed to them automatically. Since many of these season ticket holders have little or no interest in live music, they choose to exercise this option and then to resell their tickets to a scalper at a substantial profit, essentially allowing them to use concert tickets to either 100% finance their box seats or even to turn a profit. These individuals work closely with ticket brokers and pre-guarantee their seats to them, well in advance of the ticket sales date (and since they can pre-notify the arena box office and pre-authorize the ticket payment through their on-file credit card number, those seats are seldom available through general public ticket sales. Fortunately, a good number of the venues (including--fortunately for me--the Forum in Inglewood, CA) either are non-sports venues, are venues that do not offer this particular benefit, or are facilities (like the Forum) that no longer host major league professional sports teams. I remember, back in the '80s when we lived in Long Beach, CA, we gave serious thought to buying L. A. Kings season seats at the Forum for exactly this reason (of course, now the Kings, Lakers, and Clippers all play their home games 20 miles away in downtown L. A. at the Staples Center--and if THAT place offers this benefit, I can't imagine that ANY good concert tickets make their way to the general public at face value, what with having to satisfy season ticket holders for THREE teams...).
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forum members of dead . net who have the highest post count will get the best seats and first choice of tix. ( -; yuk yuk yuk. peace.
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nd Snark, thankx for that explanation about how those scalper sites get some tix. educational. peace.
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It looks like Albany only has Minor league hockey, so maybe there will not be to many season ticket holders grabbing them.
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Let's just take a breath and wait. When have the boys left us hangin? In the old days we had to go to the post office, get a stamp and money order (or 2 if there was lawn seating and you wanted to be sure to get a ticket), decorate and envelope and mail it off. That was some painful waiting. The digital age has ruined us all for the greater appreciation received when something takes time. Savor these moments of anxiety and expectation. What else could get a bunch of hippies this on edge but Dead tix?
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I see that the Gwinnett Arena has an open date on April 10th. Note to the booking agent....BOOK IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And I can feel the excitement in the air!!!!
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Can't wait for the Chicago show. Any word on how much tix are going to run? It would be nice if there was another show around the chicago area.
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I was thinking about the days of the pre-sale party..... A bunch of my friends and I would camp out on the side of a record store a week before tickets went on sale. I remember during the touch head days when we got tickets for Red Rocks the guy at the counter told me to check my tickets. So there I was just outside the door goinin' through my tickets and security comes out like two seconds behind me and yells sold out. We had this guy shoving cash in our face tellin' us I'll give you $250 a piece for every ticket you got! I know everyone is anxious and frustrated with no pre-sale info, but I have gone through the same thing with other bands and did just fine. Try and keep those good vibes flowin.... peaceful journey to you all!!! Saint Stephen with a rose. In and out of the garden he goes. Country garland in the wind and the rain. Wherever he goes the people all complain.... Shine On! Saint Stephen
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How do I get tickets? Will there be mail order? Where do I get information?
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Anyone know how much the tickets are?
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It says on the website that presale starts tuesday, but how do you get tickets during the presale?
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I agree that the presale password has to be kept until the last minutes and being a season ticket holder for the Seahawks when they offer us presale for an event the password is normally held till the last minute.. This was it would limit the perk given to us since with the internet nowadays it would be all over the web in no time.. I have a few questions to get prepared to get online so I can get seats ASAP Is Ticketmaster definately selling the tickets ??? I just want to be set up and also need to find a location that sells tickets for Shoreline ahead of time.. Does anyone know the prices yet ???? What time do tickets go on sale ?? I know alot of times it is 10am but I have seen a few people mention 9am Thanks and Good Luck to everyone
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I think either of these two gentlemen would be a better choice for the lead guitar slot than Warren...Warren's great and all, but, he's Warren...Stu Allen (JGB) or John from DSO are Dead through and through.
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I JUST got an email from gdtstoo . . . prices listed. Looks like about $100 average best seats. No word about presale, but mail order info given. Here we go . . .
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100 a ticket, are they kidding?
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For all venues prices are running $100ish/$50-60, including fees & svc chg. GDTS TOO says mail order only, no credit card sales. Presales based on postmarks, I guess. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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I figured prices would be a little steep for this tour, but .....wow.My wife and I were really hoping to make a weekend of the 2 shows in NY. As much as I love this band, I dont think I can swing it. Best case scenario: 2 tix to Nassau = 114.00 2 tix to MSG = 117.00 2 nights hotel =350.00 Gas,Beer,Food, etc =200.00 Total =$783.00 Chance of the band living up to my expectations 50-60%............. I'm sorry to be negative but I'm bummed.
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So is there gonna be a internet pre-sale involving an automated system or is it by mail order only? Mail order would be pointless if you can get em online, all the good seats would be gone. Dang these lack of details
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On the web link for the venue at The Forum, they have a couple of tidbits of information that SUCK: 1. PARKING is reportedly $22 - 25 per space. Expect that a motorhome or a bus will get a higher fee to park, and that all such vehicles will be confined to a specific bus parking area, probably with parking personnel directing them to specific spaces. 2. (and I quote directly from the site) "The City of Inglewood does not permit tailgating. It is not uncommon for the City of Inglewood to issue citations!" Something that may dampen the chances of an extended or added-to summer tour is that all four members of The Dead front their own full time bands, and that the "solo" tours are the major source of income for their close friends who comprise the musicians in those groups. An extended Dead tour would mean a long-term major drop in income for almost all of those fine musicians, and you can bet that Bobby, Phil, Mickey, and Billy ALL feel greater concern for their close friends and musical collaborators' welfare than for the desire felt by fans for more Dead shows. As for the chances of taking those groups along as opening acts, there is no such chance--not only are the set lists too similar to those that The Dead will be playing, but (I checked) our beloved Dead are getting a bit long in the tooth, and they're going to want to get SOME sleep between performances (which is hard to do when you finish up at 2:30 in the morning and have to be in a different state within 10 hours). They are also likely to want to spend SOME home time between tours (this is why they buy homes and build families).
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those ticket prices are bulls%it!!!! they won't be getting a dime of my money for this tour, and i hope the rest of you follow suit.....
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Other than at concert nightclubs (where tickets seem to hover in the $20 - $25 range), the $40 - $100 per ticket prices are very normal these days. If you want to see a HIGH price at the concert, try buying ONE beer. It'll make the ticket price seem reasonable. Furthermore, when I look back at the $2.25/hour I was earning in 1977 to pay for a $6.50 ticket and compare it to the money I earn now as a teacher, I find that I can get a ticket nowadays for only 1 or 2 hours of work compared to the 3 hours it used to take. In this perspective, I'll cope.
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I was looking forward to going to either the Worcester, Hartford, or Albany shows. But when I saw the ticket prices. NO WAY!!!! $100.00 to $102 for good seats, and between $49 & $69 for the nosebleed seats. That does not even include all the service fee's livenation/ticketmaster is gonna add on. I can understand maybe charging $75 tops for the good seats, and $35 for the cheap seats. And, I know touring is expensive, but we are in a major recession!!! Most fans, like my husband and myself cannot afford these obscene prices!!! Only, the super wealthy.
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I can make the 8 hour drive to the venue be able to feed my myself and make the 8 hour drive back home cheaper than i can buy a ticket (including gas). You can also go to a festival, stay all weekend and see 50 bands cheaper. sorry to be a drag, but damn...........
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Us po' white trash down heah cain't be affordin' no hunnert dollah tickets ;^) Definitely can't afford to tie it up in a mail-order gamble to wait for ??? to find out if I even got tickets. Ah, well, it was a pretty slim chance I could make a show anyway, too much travel involved. Have a good time, fans that are loved! ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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I understand people complaining about the ticket prices in the Shaky economy....BUT, The DEAD is worth it. Hell, I have to fly up to Albany from ATL, stay at a hotel (or crash at a friends place). Not complaining, just....another DEAD Road trip....Nothing Left to Do But Smile Smile Smile:-) :-) :-)
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What a great documentary of the 1970 rock train tour of Canada. The footage was almost lost, in part to the fact that some thought that the bummer of the tour, the controversy regarding charging anything for tickets, would dampen anyone's desire to check it out. Luckily it was found and restored cuz the music and atmosphere on the train was really on the bus. I remember how young Weir was and how upset. Over all these years I've NEVER felt ripped off by the Dead. Just Grateful.
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if the pre-sale is only through mail order that will really suck for those of us who cannot deal with the post office in the US and have no fixed address to get mail. ONLINE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pretty please with sugar on top. ( -; to the people in the office: information about how the pre-sale will work here on dead .net would be nice, folks. I ain't asking for secret pass codes, just info. what one dude said about not being able to tie up that much cash in mail-orders HOPING to get seats rings true. in this day and age, we can pay for what we can get, but shouldn't have to send out cash and not be sure we will get tix or not. peace.
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doing what we do to live the life we lead and see the band we miss. over about 7 hours yesterday, I played 50 games of 8-ball, winning 34 in all. 'coincidentally', winning the higher bet games. he he he... ( -; getting that cash to beat that dead show jones, though my shoulder is in knots and my bum hip is aching. peace.
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are a little high but, I'll be there chicago here I come
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where are these ticket prices posted? Granted I could be more computer literate, but what the heck I'm glad to be able to do as much as I do up here in icy Alaska. Must agree with most folks that 50 to 70 bucks is about normal for concerts mild compared to what it is going to take for me but may not get too many chances- hoping to hit the old stomping grounds and do Greensboro, DC and C-ville (?) hot damn that ought to be cool!
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Is the gdtstoo site affiliated with this site or are they different? In other words, is mail ordering for tickets through that site the only way to get them, or will there be a seperate online option here? I'd MUCH rather do the online thing. At least you know you have them (or not) rather than tying up loads of cash and hoping you get them.
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granted it is easier keeping the tix outta the hands of brokers/scalpers, but what a pain in the ass! in this day and age they can't come up with something easier? that being said, i have no idea what that would be....
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I'm GUESSING the gdts pre-sale, and the dead . net pre-sale are different. same same, but different. I'm GUESSING the prices will be the same, but that gdts's service charge is cheaper than tic-master http://www.gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOTheDeadSpring09.html AND the mail order tix are 'pretty' with cool graphics on em. I'm HOPING and praying the dead .net pre-sale will be online. everyone is confused, so listen to the music play! the clock is ticking!
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no online presale, snail mail only!
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c'mon dead . net, let us know, at least, will the pre-sale be on line or not??? sheesh, how long do we have to beg for basic info?? if it ain't online, I gotta deal with getting other folks to handle the pre-sale in the snail mail for me. the clock continues to tic.
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http://gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOTheDeadSpring09.html "The only mail in dates for these performances are Tuesday, January 13 through Tuesday January, 20, 2009. Mail will be filled on a first come first serve basis by postmark." "Sorry, no credit card orders accepted this time around."
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If it is by postmark....first come first serve basis....We have the ticket prices already....Why can't they be mailed today,or tomorrow ?
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You will be disqualified if you send them in earlier, at least thats what ruby would do!!
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These ticket prices seem just plain wrong to me. A hundred dollars a ticket to see the dead, without Jerry, in this economy? Come on, guys. I understand wanting to make some money, but be reasonable. These prices are not reasonable.
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Wow. I'd love to see these guys, but at about $70 a pop I guess me and the missus will have to stay home. In the old days we'd always order an extra or two to make somebody's miracle on the day of the show ... guess those days are over ... It'll be a miracle if we make it. It's a rich man's gig. Sad I won't be there, but much love and good vibes to those who will be.Peace. Critter in Philly