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    Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

    Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

    (We're changing some things for 2009)

    BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

    MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

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  • klanz
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    ABB Live @ The Beacon 3/28/09 w/ Bob and Phil + more
    Suppose to be from soundboards.3 audio cd's Sounds good ABB @ The Beacon 3/28/09 w/ Bob and Phil Set 1 1. Little Martha 2. Done Somebody Wrong 3. Trouble No More 4. Rocking Horse 5. I Walk On Gilded Splinters 6. Who to Believe 7. Born Under A Bad Sign with (Floyd Miles, vocals) 8. Stormy Monday (with Floyd Miles, vocals; Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 9. Come and Go Blues (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 10. Jessica (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards; Paul Riddle, drums) Set 2 11. Sugaree (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 12. I Know You Rider (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 13. Franklin's Tower (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass; Chuck Leavell,keyboards) 14. Black Hearted Woman 15. Mountain Jam (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) Encore 16. Statesboro Blues I can Sweetn' the vine by adding both Eric Clapton nights from the SBD. Flawless and excellent sound Allman Brothers Band (Eric Clapton) 2009-03-19, Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 3 audio cd's 1. Little Martha 2. Statesboro Blues 3. Done Somebody Wrong 4. Revival 5. Woman Across The River 6. Don't Keep Me Wonderin' 7. Whipping Post Set II 8. Oncoming Traffic Gregg solo piano & vocals 9. Come and Go Blues 10. Good Morning Little School Girl with Danny Louis, piano 11. Key To The Highway w/Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 12. Dreams w/Eric Clapton, guitar 13. Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad w/Eric Clapton, guitar 14. Little Wing w/Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 15. Anyday with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Susan Tedeschi, vocals Encore 16. Layla with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Danny Louis, piano Allman Brothers Band (Eric Clapton Night) 2009-03-20 The Beacon, NYC 3 audio cd's 1. Little Martha / Oteil solo on bass 2. Mountain Jam part 1 3. Trouble No More 4. Midnight Rider 5. Forty-Four Blues with Danny Louis, piano 6. Wasted Words 7. Gambler's Roll 8. Ain't Wastin' Time No More 9. Mountain Jam part 2 Set II 10. Melissa 11. Leave My Blues at Home 12. No One To Run With 13. Key To The Highway with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 14. Stormy Monday with Eric Clapton, guitar 15. Dreams with Eric Clapton, guitar 16. Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad with Eric Clapton, guitar 17. Little Wing with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 18. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed with Eric Clapton, guitar Encore 19. Layla with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Danny Louis, piano Ok. Just got what I was really looking for. This is the fruit I wanted from this vine. Jazz Night. I'll throw in 3/14/09 with Stanley Clark, Randy Brecker,Lenny White, Adam Nussbaum,Robert Randolph and a Liz Reed that will knock your socks off. Allman Brothers Band 3-14-09 Beacon Theatre - NYC 3 audio discs Set 1 Little Martha Ain't Waistin' Time No More Walk On Guilded Splinters Rocking Horse Gambler's Roll Revival Woman Across The River Dreams w/Randy Brecker and Lenny White Set 2 Melissa (Gregg on acoustic guitar) Lovelight w/ Robert Randolph and Adam Nussbaum One Way Out w/ Robert Randolph and Adam Nussbaum In A Silent Way w/ Randy Brecker Liz Reed> w/Randy Brecker and Lenny White Drums> (Butch/Marc/Lenny White) Bass Jam> w/ Stanley Clark Liz Reed w/ Stanley Clark Encore Mountain Jam> Dazed & COnfused> Mountain Jam I'm done. That's the package. Be gentle with me. It's my first time.
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    ok so i undertstand what shn & flac is about, but how do i get windows media player to play them, convert to wav all that good stuff. i am not that tech savy. should i not use media player? thanks for any advice
  • klanz
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    ABB Live @ The Beacon 3/28/09 w/ Bob and Phil + more
    Suppose to be from soundboards.3 audio cd's Sounds good ABB @ The Beacon 3/28/09 w/ Bob and Phil Set 1 1. Little Martha 2. Done Somebody Wrong 3. Trouble No More 4. Rocking Horse 5. I Walk On Gilded Splinters 6. Who to Believe 7. Born Under A Bad Sign with (Floyd Miles, vocals) 8. Stormy Monday (with Floyd Miles, vocals; Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 9. Come and Go Blues (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 10. Jessica (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards; Paul Riddle, drums) Set 2 11. Sugaree (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 12. I Know You Rider (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 13. Franklin's Tower (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass; Chuck Leavell,keyboards) 14. Black Hearted Woman 15. Mountain Jam (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) Encore 16. Statesboro Blues I can Sweetn' the vine by adding both Eric Clapton nights from the SBD. Flawless and excellent sound Allman Brothers Band (Eric Clapton) 2009-03-19, Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 3 audio cd's 1. Little Martha 2. Statesboro Blues 3. Done Somebody Wrong 4. Revival 5. Woman Across The River 6. Don't Keep Me Wonderin' 7. Whipping Post Set II 8. Oncoming Traffic Gregg solo piano & vocals 9. Come and Go Blues 10. Good Morning Little School Girl with Danny Louis, piano 11. Key To The Highway w/Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 12. Dreams w/Eric Clapton, guitar 13. Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad w/Eric Clapton, guitar 14. Little Wing w/Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 15. Anyday with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Susan Tedeschi, vocals Encore 16. Layla with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Danny Louis, piano Allman Brothers Band (Eric Clapton Night) 2009-03-20 The Beacon, NYC 3 audio cd's 1. Little Martha / Oteil solo on bass 2. Mountain Jam part 1 3. Trouble No More 4. Midnight Rider 5. Forty-Four Blues with Danny Louis, piano 6. Wasted Words 7. Gambler's Roll 8. Ain't Wastin' Time No More 9. Mountain Jam part 2 Set II 10. Melissa 11. Leave My Blues at Home 12. No One To Run With 13. Key To The Highway with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 14. Stormy Monday with Eric Clapton, guitar 15. Dreams with Eric Clapton, guitar 16. Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad with Eric Clapton, guitar 17. Little Wing with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals 18. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed with Eric Clapton, guitar Encore 19. Layla with Eric Clapton, guitar & vocals; Danny Louis, piano 1st time doing this. Be gentle with me :)
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    The long (and mostly short) of it: 4/12/78 (2 dvds) -- proshot, multi-camera video with excellent SBD audio (and aud patches between tunes while the video rolls). This is the complete show, in black & white, and while 95% is flawless, it does have its flaws including, unfortunately, the video and audio being way out of sync as Jerry does his Pete Townsend-style windmills during Truckin'. On the upside, everything is in sync during the drum solo featuring Mickey, Bill & yes, Jerry himself (and a little Steve Parish too). So that counts for something. 3/28/81 (2 dvds) -- And speaking of Pete Townsend... Proshot, multi-camera video with excellent SBD audio, complete show, in color, flawless throughout with particularly good closeups of Jerry's playing, for those of you want to steal some licks. Set lists available elsewhere. I'll include the technical source info when I send out the discs for those of you who are into that. I had absolutely nothing to do with either of these, other than downloading them as torrents from "The Trader's Den" -- so a big thanks to everyone over there. ENJOY!
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    has been giving EVERYBODY trouble. So sorry!
  • That Nice Hippy Guy
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    Yes marye its just one vine. The spam filter has been giving me trouble with posting new vines for a couple of weeks now so Im never really sure when it actually goes through. "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
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    Suppose to be from soundboards.2 audio cd's Sounds good ABB @ The Beacon 3/28/09 w/ Bob and Phil Set 1 1. Little Martha 2. Done Somebody Wrong 3. Trouble No More 4. Rocking Horse 5. I Walk On Gilded Splinters 6. Who to Believe 7. Born Under A Bad Sign with (Floyd Miles, vocals) 8. Stormy Monday (with Floyd Miles, vocals; Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 9. Come and Go Blues (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) 10. Jessica (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards; Paul Riddle, drums) Set 2 11. Sugaree (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 12. I Know You Rider (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass) 13. Franklin's Tower (with Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; Phil Lesh, bass; Chuck Leavell,keyboards) 14. Black Hearted Woman 15. Mountain Jam (with Chuck Leavell, keyboards) Encore 16. Statesboro Blues
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    thanks folks
    I will get to these tonight or tomorrow. Trevor, am I correct in thinking you posted the Sublime vine twice and it's not two different vines?
  • Exploratory Da…
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    I am perched and ready to get in line before MITD My personal collection lacks many '74 shows so I am in need of this.
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    MOTB Release: 0056 16/44.1Release Date: 2007-12-09 Band: Grateful Dead Date: 1974-07-21 (Sunday) Venue: Hollywood Bowl Location: Hollywood, CA Analog Audience Source: FOB Cassette (MAC) Analog Copy Instances: Reel 1 (R1) Medium Stock Brands: MAC = Sony C90 [CrO2], R1 = Maxell UD 35-90 Analog Lineage: 2 x Sony ECM-22P => Sony TC-152SD >> MAC >> Sony TC-D5M => TEAC AN-300 [Dolby Encode] => Technics RS-1506US [3.75 IPS] >> R1 Analog Medium Preservation: R1 >> Technics RS-1506 => TEAC AN-300 [Dolby Decode] => Grace Design Lunatec V3 [Pre-Only] => Korg MR-1000 >> DSF [1-bit 5.6448 MHz Stereo] >> Korg MR-1000 => Korg AudioGate >> WAV [24/96] Taped By: Rob Bertrando R1 Supplied By: Barry Glassberg Transfer By: Adam Egert Mastering By: Derek McCabe Set 1 d1t01 - The Promised Land d1t02 - Tennessee Jed d1t03 - Me And My Uncle d1t04 - Sugaree d1t05 - Jack Straw d1t06 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo > d1t07 - It Must Have Been The Roses d1t08 - El Paso d1t09 - Scarlet Begonias d1t10 - Around And Around Set 2 d1t11 - Seastones Set 3 d2t01 - China Cat Sunflower > d2t02 - I Know You Rider d2t03 - Big River d2t04 - Row Jimmy d3t01 - Playing In The Band > d3t02 - Wharf Rat > d3t03 - Truckin' > d3t04 - Nobody's Fault But Mine Jam > d3t05 - Playing In The Band Jam > Playing In The Band Reprise d3t06 - Ship Of Fools d3t07 - Sugar Magnolia Encore d3t08 - U.S. Blues Editing Notes -- No patch sources were used. -- d1t09 - Cut at 6:32 of "Scarlet Begonias" cross-faded. -- d3t03 - Cut at 1:11 of "Truckin'" cross-faded. Notes -- d1t07 - Feedback burst at about 4:52 of "It Must Have Been The Roses". -- d1t09 - Some mild to moderate feedback effects from about 2:38 to 3:20 of "Scarlet Begonias". -- d1t09 - The end of "Scarlet Begonias" is missing from 6:31 on. -- d2t01 - Low-level feedback in "China Cat Sunflower" begins to occur in conjunction with the start of Jerry's vocals. It starts to intensify around the 2:40 mark, culminating with a penetrating burst at about 2:53. The issues abate for the most part during the instrumental segment leading up to "I Know Your Rider". -- d2t02 - Intermittent, fairly minor, feedback during the first half of "I Know You Rider". -- d2t04 - More intermittent feedback - mild to very ringing - starting at about 0:20 of "Row Jimmy". It continues until around 3:00 or so, when it is finally squelched. -- d3t03 - Music is missing starting at 1:11 of "Truckin'". Gap begins right at the end of the line "New York - got the ways and means", and includes most of Weir's next verse. -- d3t03 - Just after the start of "Truckin'" it is possible to distinguish conversation with regards to the pending tape change - presumably between Rob Bertrando and one of his cohorts. As an exercise left to the listener, focus on the right stereo channel, at timing points 0:24, 0:30, 0:57 and 1:03, leading up to the cut-off at 1:11. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7/25/74 - Grateful Dead International Amphitheatre Chicago, IL SBD -> Rm -> Dat -> Sonic Solutions -> CD 2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs SHN Disc 1: First Set + Encore Disc 2: Second Set Set 1: Me And My Uncle Loose Lucy Black-Throated Wind Loser Beat It On Down The Line Sugaree Mexicali Blues Brown-Eyed Women El Paso Row Jimmy Weather Report Suite -> Let It Grow -> Around & Around Set 2: Scarlet Begonias Big River It Must Have Been The Roses Jack Straw Dark Star -> Slipknot! Jam -> Stella Blue Johnny B. Goode -> Uncle John's Band U.S. Blues One More Saturday Night Encore: Ship Of Fools Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net *************************************** Grateful Dead Capital Centre Landover, MD 7-29-74 Sick Bits Vol. 8 Source: Matrix (SBD/AUD mix): SBD: (SHN ID # 2277) MR> C1> DAT*> CD via Teddy Goodbear AUD: FOB (SHN ID # 17968) AudMC > DAT > WAV > SHN via Jerry Moore Transfer/Editing: All three sources were SHN files downloaded from LMA and converted to WAV > Sony Vegas 5 > WAV > CD Wave > FLAC 16 (level 8) Matrixed by Chris Chappell 6-05-05 scarfire@liquidcity.com ________________________________________________________________________ Set I: d1t01 - crowd & tuning d1t02 - Promised Land d1t03 - Sugaree d1t04 - Black Throated Wind d1t05 - It Must Have Been The Roses d1t06 - Cumberland Blues d1t07 - Scarlet Begonias d1t08 - Jack Straw d1t09 - Deal d1t10 - El Paso d1t11 - To Lay Me Down d1t12 - crowd & tuning d2t01 - Weather Report Suite Prelude > d2t02 - Weather Report Suite Part One > d2t03 - Let It Grow [missing: set 1.5 Seastones] Set II: d2t04 - crowd & tuning d2t05 - He's Gone > d2t06 - Truckin' > d2t07 - Nobody's Fault But Mine > d2t08 - Other One (1st verse only) > d2t09 - Spanish Jam > d2t10 - Wharf Rat > d3t01 - Around & Around d3t02 - Peggy-O d3t03 - US Blues d3t04 - Sugar Magnolia Encore: d3t05 - Casey Jones Total Times: Disc 1 [76:39] Disc 2 [71:24] Disc 3 [38:31] - for track times see shntool output * Sick Bits Vol. 7 fits nicely as filler on disc 3 ________________________________________________________________________ General Notes: Two sources from the LMA provided coverage for this matrix: a relatively dry SBD, and a pretty nice sounding FOB AUD recorded by strangers with Jerry Moore's rig (see Jerry's notes). The result is an excellent matrix, justifying the blending of two sources to breathe life back into a relatively unrecognized but excellent show. Check out these reviews from the Llama: "I have the soundboard version of this show and I must admit that it is clear but clinical. No Character. This audience version has the ambience that is lacking in the soundboard. Do yourself a favor and download both!" "You've heard the classics, now try this one! Recommended." -Dr. Flashback This is the first show of 29 played at Capital Centre, and Bill Graham starts off by letting the crowd know to stay out of the isles, probably concerned with the fire marshall, who I'm sure was not impressed by the firecrackers (M80s?) that were let off periodically during the show - the most loud and notable is during To Lay Me Down, the crowd in a very intimate space, an explosion even clearly loud on the SBD. Listener beware! The whole show is played well, from the gumption of Sugaree through the excellent Weather Report Suite (nice Keith); and the second set starts with a slow but funky He's Gone (Phil), a freaky Spanish Jam out of the "space" of a 1 verse Other One, and a rare Peggy-O (6th time played). Garcia takes a different approach throughout, both refreshing and daring. The band delivers on the crowd request for Casey Jones, and Phil sums it up at the end: "We really appreciate it folks, you don't know how much." Thanks to Jerry Moore for making the FOB AUD happen (see notes), Mark Cohen for the analog > DAT transfer, Noah Weiner for the DAT > SHN/CD; Teddy Goodbear for the SBD along with the rest of the Compendium crew, and Doug Johnson for uploading it to abgd. Enjoy! Chappy Editing/SBD & AUD source Notes [see attached] Shntool Notes [see attached] FLAC Fingerprint [see attached] MD5 checksum [see attached] ________________________________________________________________________ Excerpt from AUD text file: (*) Notes from Jerry Moore - June, 2003: "Had piss poor taping seats, and was unable to negotiate better ones. Best I was able to do was dicker with some total strangers who were sitting reasonably close, on the left side off the floor, if I remember. They weren't willing to trade seats, but WERE willing to try taping it themselves in exchange for a copy. So I crossed my fingers real hard, and handed over the rig. They weren't at all familiar with it, but I managed to squeeze in before the show and check in a couple of times. All things considered, they did a pretty decent job. Some artless level juggling, and overall levels lower than I would've run, but better than no tape or a rotten one. The taping the weird noise at intermission was a nicety I didn't think to mention, and they didn't bother with. IE, no L&L recording on my tapes... I haven't the foggiest who they were or what their names were. Never crossed paths again." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Grateful Dead - July 31, 1974 Dillon Stadium - Hartford, CT Recording Info: SBD -> Master Reel (7inch @ 7.5ips 1/2 Track) -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: CD -> EAC -> Samplitude Professional v7.02 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net February 9, 2006 Patch Info: Reel flip in Row Jimmy and WRS Intro patched with Bill Degen's AUD Unknown Mics -> Master Cassette -> Reel (7inch) -> Dat -> SHN Notes: -- This is shnid 1019 cleaned up and patched. -- Beginning of Scarlet is cut. Set 1: d1t01 - Scarlet Begonias d1t02 - Me And My Uncle d1t03 - Brown Eyed Women d1t04 - Beat It On Down The Line d1t05 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo -> d1t06 - It Must Have Been The Roses d1t07 - Mexicali Blues d1t08 - Row Jimmy d1t09 - Jack Straw d1t10 - China Cat Sunflower -> d1t11 - I Know You Rider d1t12 - Around And Around Set 2: d1t13 - Bertha d1t14 - Big River d2t01 - Eyes Of The World -> d2t02 - China Doll d2t03 - The Promised Land d2t04 - Ship Of Fools d2t05 - Weather Report Suite -> d2t06 - Let It Grow Set 2.5: d2t07 - Seastones Set 3: d2t08 - El Paso d3t01 - Ramble On Rose d3t02 - Greatest Story Ever Told d3t03 - To Lay Me Down d3t04 - Truckin' -> d3t05 - Mind Left Body Jam -> d3t06 - Spanish Jam -> d3t07 - Wharf Rat d3t08 - U.S. Blues d3t09 - One More Saturday Night Encore: d3t10 - Uncle John's Band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grateful Dead 07/27/74 Roanoke Civic Center Roanoke, VA Two Discs Lineage: SBD>MR>C>DAT>CDR Extraction and Shortening by Seth Kaplan via EAC and MKW. Correct sector boundaries verified using .shntool. Disc 1 of 2 Set I Bertha Mexicali Blues Row Jimmy Jack Straw Mississippi Half Step Uptown Toodeloo It Must Have Been The Roses Me & Bobby McGee Tennessee Jed Playin' In The Band Disc 2 of 2 Set II ChinaCat Sunflower > I Know You Rider Me & My Uncle Ramble On Rose Big River U.S. Blues > Jam > The Promised Land Brokedown Palace Not Fade Away > Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad Johnny B. Goode SBD>MR>C>DAT>CDR - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

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He could turn into a regular "Vineslut", you never know....... "Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme, and little change, the wind and rain."
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It's not like fluffhead is next up on 57 vines, you know, he's just signed up on them. I'm currently signed up on a total of about 35 active vines (and I wish marye'd hurry up so I can be first on a few more ;^D ), I'll send out a few tomorrow and have four more coming at me. fluffhead420 appears to turn vines around pretty quickly. And that "no permanent address" statement is a little misleading I think, he's not a transient, the dude is just moving and he did warn us to PM him for his current address (which is a pretty smart thing to do anyway, always, just to make sure a viner is still around). Doing a change of address form with the post office should get the vines to him OK. (fluffhead, don't let me down now!) Let's not get aggravated about problems that don't exist yet. And I'm going to hate myself for this, but to quote a wise old viner: "I've read some pretty restrictive rules on other sites & even though we have some hiccups here now & again, it's a much more free & open environment" Cheers, MarkintheDark (erickat check my PM, some interesting information.) ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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I suppose I am not one to talk. I will say he will be busy if he has more vines in the garden than mark, whose vining is amplified by consuming copius amounts of the finest and most exqusite blends of coffee beans grown in the known world.
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and let us know what was up we would be talking with him and not about him. Fluffhead, I hope you see this and chime in. Thanks. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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with a reminder that issuing edicts in the Vineyard is kinda not her thing. That said, I'd favor keeping an eye on the situation and seeing if there actually IS a problem before we worry about solving it. There's a pretty wide variation on the speed with which different vines arrive and get turned around, so who knows, it could all just work. Speaking personally, I find ONE vine more of a bottleneck than I would like!
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I will address the Neil and other vines shortly, thank you.
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...there are worse potential issues than fluffhead, whose only mistake I can see was being considerate enough to let us know he was moving. There are other viners signed up for as many vines as fluffhead, and there are viners that are only signed up for a few and they still manage to fuck up. Many of those vines on the list erickat compiled are small, single DVDs, single shows, multiple shows on single DVDs. A few aren't even currently very active, and he's mailing one out tomorrow. He posts when he gets them and he posts when he sends them. Maybe he already introduced himself, I'll have to look at those "Introduce/Meet me" forums and see. If he would like to take the time to check in this forum and say hi, I would suggest the following opening remarks: "Hi! My name is fluffhead420 and I'm happy to be here. Why are people starting to sound like buttholes?" Cheers, MarkintheDark ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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Hit "post", meant to hit "preview". Oh well. ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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And I would like to add that erickat's concerns are important. He has enlightened my musical life and the lives of many others here, always there to help, and ask's for nothing but respect for the music and the vision, which is also the band's vision, that the music is there to be shared. This is the definition of a noble cause. It is a large commitment of his time and energy and above all his spirit and as such, needs to be respected amd appreciated in order for the garden to flourish. Fluffhead, if you are reading this, which we hope you are, please understand the concerns. The concern is over your ability to contribute to this sharing, and not getting in over your head. The more all of us work at keeping the garden flowing, the longer it will be here, and the longer it is here, the more time there is to enrich our lives with these treasures. We are all very happy to see you here, and I think we all love that energy, just understand why there is concern. We have all done our share of reseeding and it's like waiting for the asparagus to get just exactly perfect, and wahla....it's gone, have to replant.
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regarding this topic. I think that many of us with the vineyard don't want to produce vinegar but wine, which is why we get a little jumpy and concerned. Many missing vines, many have to be reseeded to continue, and often a person does get in over their heads (me recently when I was juggling 6 vines, yikes! Don't want to do that again.) Reminds me of the old daze trying to dub off tapes of shows for many friends and just over committed, especially following a show or a great trade (that is in the days of tapes). I empathize in wanting to maintain this space (getting hot?) but keep open to other viner's approaches and temperments. It is disconcerting to think that we would lose track of someone with a heavy investment in the vineyard, as this has happened on several occasions. Reseeding that Winterland '74 vine, or that May '72 Europe vine (once or twice) is a daunting task, but fulfilling to keep everything moving. I just don't want to be responsible for a constipated vine (pardon that visual) and want to have everything stay 'regular' (ok, I will stop). But I agree with the sentiments above, want to keep vines flowing (damnit) and am concerned when I see potential problems 'trouble ahead, trouble behind' (intentional dead reference and unintentional in that other realm). Hopefully, people watch what they sign up for and have an idea of when the deluge arrives on how to dig out, but the concern is that each person continue to return back to the vineyard what the Dead so generously shared with us these last 30 years. End of my (sometimes disturbing) diatribe. I must go mental floss. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Hey all,I have personally sent him 3 or 4 vines and I generally check to make sure that people receive and then send them out, and so far so good. I am inclined to agree with Mark on this issue. It isn't like he will get them all at once, but he will hit some rough patches and have a tough time. Lets just hope that he communicates with us when that time comes. I think when new people join up, like I did a few months back, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt until they do mess up (you all did this for me, but then again I didn't sign up for every vine). I understand that it is a slippery slope and this could just hit him all at one time, and cause a bottleneck of EPIC proportions.
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...and drink some of whatever PK's having. He always sounds way more relaxed, has that positive attitude. Viola'! (asparagus, tho', yuck) ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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Mental floss, but my head exploded. First of all I responded to this subject without doing my homework and I owe Fluffy a big apology because he has been nothing but up and up. I think if there is open communication and people respond to arrivals and departures (as Fluffy has done) and if they post that there will be an address change (as Fluffy did) we should not be so quick to hack people on a public forum. In the past when people are unresponsive and don't respect the system here we have let them know. I think until something actually goes wrong I will not be so quick to judge (even if your name is a Phish song ;0D !!! ) New mantra: Reseeds are going to be a way of life until all vine'ers go to that big Dead Show in the sky! "Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme, and little change, the wind and rain."
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God save the child who rings that bellIt may have one good ring, baby, you can't tell One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play I do not know fluffhead420 but I do know dead heads and for the most part we all stuck together. So far he has not caused ANY problem other than making some of us uneasy. (Is that not one of our jobs? To make conventional thinkers, uneasy.) I has almost baled on this whole vine thing when I saw a brother being railroaded over something he has not done. If he proves us wrong then that is the time to get riled up. We have to love each other more than ourselves. Your words have much greater inpact than you can ever imagine. Peace (please take a few minutes and think about what that valediction means) Rick
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Greetings Friends,Here is a vine of epoch proportions. This vine came to me from my friend "The Bus" (Jerry Side). Its original names are garcia_1961-1967_project and garcia_1969_1970_project. Now the Bus is a very generous sort of guy with a driven desire to put into circulation every known source of our music. It is in that spirit that I offer up this vine. It will be **DVD ONLY** (3 dvds worth) in shn/flac format. I am truly sorry that I cannot convert it into WAV but time, desire and recourses do not permit it. Some of these gems have been seeded here and are active vines. If you already have them you do not have to copy them. Please enjoy the music and one and other Peace Rick jg61-07-xx.jgf.aud.vernon.17381.sbeok.shnf jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-jupille.12004.sbeok.shnf jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-sirmick.motb.87474.sbeok.flac16 jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-sirmick.motb.88262.sbeok.flac24 jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.unkown.13040.sbefail.shnf jg63-02-23.wb.aud.mogol.4501.sbeok.shnf jg63-05-04.jgsg.fm.unkown.13993.sbeok.shnf jg64-03-06.bmb.sbd.backus-wagner.17914.sbeok.shnf jg64-03-07.bmb.sbd.loy.20752.sbefail.shnf jg64-03-07.bmb.sbd.loy-hythloday.35142.sbeok.flac16 jg64-04-14.jg.aud.slabicky.92079.sbeok.flac16 jg64-07-xx.mmujc.fm.terrapin64.12696.sbeok.shnf jg64-xx-xx.bmb.sbd.loy.24073.sbefail.shnf jg64-xx-xx.bmb.sbd.loy-hythloday.35145.sbeok.flac16 jg64-xx-xx.wb.terrapinstation.17838.sbeok.shnf jg67-xx-xx.jg.interview.89961.sbeok.flac16 jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.goodbear.4500.sbeok.shnf jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.lai.6390.sbeok.shnf jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.20918.sbeok.shnf jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.35270.sbeok.shnf jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.82039.sbeok.flac16 jg69-09-06.ja.sbd.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16 jg69-10-28.jgf.sbd.lepley.12687.sbeok.shnf jg70-10-21.jgf.sbd.cipollina-38f.84329.sbefail.flac16 jg70-10-21.jgf.sbd.unkown.13534.sbeok.shnf jg70-11-20.jgf.fm.pinkrobert.76324.sbeok.flac16 jg70-11-20.jgf.fm.tamarkin.76325.sbeok.flac16 jg70-11-21.jgf.fm.kiefe-cotsman.16378.sbeok.shnf jg70-11-21.jgf.fm.tamarkin.77475.sbeok.flac16 jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.gems.34711.sbeok.flac16 jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.sirmick.28368.sbeok.flac16 jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.unknown.6388.sbefail.shnf jg70-12-17.jgf.sbd.unknown.6389.sbefail.shnf jg70-12-20.jgf.sbd.tremblay.4499.sbeok.shnf jg70-12-27.jg-nrps.fm.ted.26583.sbeok.shnf jg70-xx-xx.jgf.fm.38f.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16 jg70-xx-xx.jgf.sbd.dodd.16143.sbeok.shnf
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besides from Ricks post of a new vine in the new vines forum , is this now the forum for the courts of vine non-sence ? IMO as long as fluffhead keeps us up to date on his address and we pm folks before sending vines out (like we should do with newer folk) . let it ride and lets all hope for the best .. if i can add there has been some vet`s of the vineyard that had problemes loosing vines when they moved .. shit happens , let`s just hope for the best .. This is just my two cents worth .. take it for what you think it`s worth .. Please try to have a nice peaceful day !!
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Hi! In an earlier post I mentioned "people starting to sound like buttholes". I just wanted to make sure that y'all knew that was putting it a little strong, it just felt like a mob was starting to gather. I know sometimes my PMs don't read like they sound in my head when I type them, as type-written words don't convey my sly humorously sarcastic tone of voice and so don't accurately reflect my devilish charm and boyish good looks (or maybe that's boyish charm and devilish good looks, I always forget which it is I have). In any case, sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings by my sounding like a, you know, butthole (which looks like this: ( * ) ... haha, a butthole smiley!) Nighty night MitD ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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Yeah, well, like our friend grdaed73 always says...nothing livens up a party like talking about politics, religion and vining. ;))Good luck fluffhead,keep us posted !
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Looks like the vine vigilantes are busy. I have only been here since May 08. It appears to me that some folks come here with unrealistic expectations. The reality is that you have be here for the long haul to get some good music. You can't pop in here and expect to get everything you sign up for in a week. It may take months. It took 7 or 8 months for me to get the Summer '82 vine. I think some folks come in and find out it takes a long time and leave. Anyway, I am pleased to announce a new vine coming soon. It will be one vine with 2 shows--1 show from 1994 and 1 show from 1995 (both digital soundboards). Although a lot of heads say this was the worst period, these are really hot shows. Jerry does not flub the lyrics here as he does in many other '94 to '95 shows. These are some of the very best of this period.
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Let`s get back to what we are here for ,, Lets vine on !! Let the good times roll !! Peace , Hope everyone has a sweet day !!
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Please don't dominate the rap, jack, if you've got nothing new to say.If you please, don't back up the track this train's got to run today. I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill I heard someone say "Better run away", others say "better stand still". Thanks to those who seem to know me albeit a short amount of time and have supported me-or at least given me the chance I deserve...I do appreciate the weary and their concerns but worry not...this is not and will not be an issue with me...as Mark stated, I am not a transient, quite to the contrary, I am an insurance agent and have been for 6 years here in AR...Recently I was given an opportunity to relocate to which I accepted...The post office forwards mail for 6 MONTHS, but that too is not much of a factor as I will certainly inform you guys of my new address as soon as I know it...I take this (music/vining/my fellow neighbor) seriously and absolutely will NOT let anyone down...I am fully aware I am signed up for a copius amount of vines, but they certainly aren't going to be coming all on one day...again, don't worry...if there is a problem, then worry and take the necessary actions to preserve this great thing but I can assure you there won't be any problems...all good things in all good time ...let there be songs to fill the air BTW, I am not a big Phish fan, they're ok, but barely in my top 10 Vine on...worry free -Josh "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Eric, once again...I do appreciate your concern and contribution...but you need to revise your list...I have recieved and turned around about 5 or 6 of the vines on the list you so meticulously compiled...all in what I would deem to be a timely fashion...I even added a lil extra fruit to them for those after me on the list. With you not knowing me personally, me not being on the vines for too long, and your said contributions I can see why you are concerned...and that's why I have spoken to you via PM a couple times addressing this issue clearly not to your satisfaction. Once again, even if people happen to send vines to my old address the good ol' US Mail will fwd them to my correct address for **6 months**...Hopefully your worries have been alleviated and you can now worry about things that are actually a problem in your life.No harm, No foul...and there won't be. Much love and peace. -Josh "One way or another, one way or another, One way or another, this (your) darkness got to give." "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Happy to have you here, man. There's been a few bad experiences here in the not too distant past that resulted in vines disappearing, some people are sensitive to the issue. Between that and the sometimes slow pace of vine progress folks were just trying to head off potential problems. I don't think you'll have any problem keeping up. Enjoy the noise! MarkintheDark PS you staying in Arkansas? (He's an insurance agent, why did that make me laugh? Must've been the screenname, I had dreadlocks in my mental image) ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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Thanks for writing here. I feel more reassured about the vines now. Please note that anything I wrote about this were not directed at you personally, (I have not had contact with you before) but were attempts to keep the vineyard process moving and not bottleneck. Enjoy the vineyard. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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next vine will hopefully, if i have figured it all out ok finish off 74 , so keep those eyes peeled it will be posted soon Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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I'm in AR now, I went to an interview in Dallas last weekend, it felt successful but time will tell...Dallas is a nice city...it captures and combines the southern vibes of AR with the big city I was born and raised in (Fresno, CA)LOL, yeah, no locks here, clean shaven, I see how the name may seem a tad misleading though-it's an lil homage to "The Family". I'm a modern day Deadhead (25 yrs old), never seen 'em live...I was turned on through Tribute bands (The Schwag, DSO, etc.), I never truly *heard* music until Dead tunes...I merely listened...it has changed my life in more ways than one...all positive....thanks again for defending me Mark, and at least giving me a chance to screw up before judging me...unlike a few others. That's super cool and definitely show's great character. -Josh "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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It's all good in my book. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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...DFW takes the term "big city" to a whole new level, you darn near change timezones just driving crosstown. Nice folks, though, and you can't beat the food. And trust me on this: any way you could possibly screw up I have done before, and can probably point out at least one other viner that has done it as well ;^) Best of luck with the new endeavor, MarkintheDark ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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I just can't help feeling warm and fuzzy. Welome fluffhead. My sister lives down there, and they have rip-roarin' thunderstorms. I am thinking about changing my screen name to Exploratory Data Analysis Dead. But I stopped in my tracks because it would cause mass confusion with all the vine sign-up listings out there. Am I getting off topic? Well, look for the '94 / '95 vine to be posted sometime when MITD is not looking. :-)
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Just to put those vicious rumors to rest: I am *not* sleeping with the moderator. (although, I'm sure a guy could do worse) And one more thing: I'm *always* looking! Bwahahahhahahahahhahaa! Cheers, MitD ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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**Opener for The Grateful Dead**RFK Stadium, Washington, DC June 26, 1993 Jerry Garcia guests on lead guitar 01. All This Time 02. Why Should I Cry For You 03. Synchronicity 04. Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic 05. Roxanne 06. Fortress Around Your Heart 07. Love Is Stronger Than Justice 08. Penny Lane 09. Purple Haze 10. Bring On The Night > When The World Is Running Down 11. Walking On The Moon >Consider Me Gone >Been Down So Long Notes: Sting was the opener for The Grateful Dead. Recorded by a member of The Dead's lighting crew. A nice full soundboard direct recording. Jerry Garcia sits in toward the end of Sting's set. This will be an audio cd, and I will include flac files for those who use them.
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I didn't know there such a delight. Wonderful & thanks!! The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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anyone has the Grateful Dead concert for that night. Maybe Sting plays with them also.
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I was kind of disappointed, but at least he decided to play different songs for the last show. The setlist details here at dead.net don't mention Sting sitting in with the band at RFK, neither does the Compendium, but Bruce Hornsby did play accordion with them for the whole show! ********************************************* **************This space for rent***************** *********************************************
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Sting did`nt sit in with The Dead at RFK I was there ,he just opened for the Dead and his sound was really low from what i remember .. " where does the time go "
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Data was taken from signup lists and postings stating "received" or "sent" so there may be some errors. Number per viner is intended to show vines signed up for but not yet received, however I need to double check a few so these numbers may include vines that the viner has currently (most have been corrected). Several vines are long-dead and some are more recently MIA, but I've included those signup lists anyway. I've missed a couple of viner names and some absent viners are still listed, but I think I've got the major sluts. PM me with any questions/error reports, and as always... Enjoy! Viner # Vines 60 erickat 1 59 Marshun 1 58 Oroboros 1 57 Pajak 1 56 Rangerjoe 1 55 southertam 1 54 caroline 3 53 Grateful Gooner 3 52 greatfullygreatful 3 51 LIG71 3 50 NJ Ripple 3 49 richard 3 48 Row Timmy 3 47 iknowurider 4 46 playdead 4 45 Ursa Minor 4 44 GD GRW 5 43 gdhead77 5 42 chasmo 6 41 stephen in PA 6 40 bear549 7 39 brewster boy 7 38 emily-j 7 37 wolff 7 36 boxen 8 35 tigger 8 34 Canyon Critter 9 33 dstache 9 32 grdaed73 9 31 rambelinbearisgrateful 9 30 free idea 10 29 pabogoniagirl1 10 28 jimbojones1138 11 27 ripple1974 11 26 Estim8ed 12 25 Tommo 12 24 joneb 15 23 ejjd 16 22 boise83 17 21 Dead Man Telling Tales 17 20 LoneStarDarkStar 17 19 deadheadben 18 18 Jimmy C. 18 17 TxJed 18 16 PAPPYPGH 20 15 pkpotter 20 14 Pomo1 21 13 Exploratory Data Analysis 24 12 JackstrawfromColorado 24 11 DarkStarr1971 26 10 That Nice Hippy Guy 27 9 toddsnc 28 8 stuman 34 7 Birdsong1969NJ 36 6 Unclejon 39 5 Hal R 41 4 MarkintheDark 41 3 Arkdeadhead 49 2 fluffhead420 51 1 gratefulmikes 58
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I left out sakparadise w/7, and Duplojohn w/3. Also, on the count for me I included vines I have here, so I'm down to 37. Shoot, dropped out of the top five. Still a bigger slut than Birdsong, though. Faster, too ;^) Finally, before I hear about it: that one vine showing for erickat is the Ratdog vine, which has been missing for quite awhile. I just hated leaving erickat out. Here is where erickat is The Man, *seeding* vines: The Ultimate Vine Seeder Countdown 13) Gr8fulTed 1 13) Greg McFarlane 1 13) Hal R 1 13) Billy S 1 13) Arkdeadhead 1 13) tripper 1 12) stuman 2 12) pkpotter 2 12) On the Road Again 2 12) operator 2 12) gdhead77 2 12) Hunter 2 11) JolleyRedGiant54 3 11) Unclejon 3 10) Exploratory Data Analysis 4 10) D00Dah 4 9) dstache 5 9) Ursa Minor 5 9) Tommo 5 8) Birdsong1969NJ 6 8) cosmicbadger 6 7) richard 8 6) yamadog 9 5) Oroboros 13 5) Lopezz 13 4) That Nice Hippy Guy 15 3) LTAPilot 18 2) sunshine-daydream 20 1) erickat 27 I've left out a few "joint ventures" (so to speak). Sunshine-Daydream may win out with number of shows vined, some of his vines are monsters - sorely missed monsters, too :^( . Reseeds have also been disregarded. Corrected the "ranking" number so ties have the same, should've done that on the vine slut list but who really cares. Thanks for the shows, guys. MarkintheDark ********************************************* ****Will work for blank discs & postage**** *********************************************
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someone has time on their hands Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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after i have finished 74 what year would you like next Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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which monsters are soreley missed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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How about some Berkeley shows, August 1971, May 1982, and/or May 1983? Or what about the not-already-vined shows from the Spring/Summer 1990 tour? Thanks Bob!
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As I have added about 75 gb to my external in the past 2 months. I have to say that I didn't think that I would be a bigger vine "slut" than Mark. I must admit, at least I keep good company!!! :)