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Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --
Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(We're changing some things for 2009)
BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are
It's not how many you sign up for, it's when they show up...
It's not like fluffhead is next up on 57 vines, you know, he's just signed up on them. I'm currently signed up on a total of about 35 active vines (and I wish marye'd hurry up so I can be first on a few more ;^D ), I'll send out a few tomorrow and have four more coming at me. fluffhead420 appears to turn vines around pretty quickly. And that "no permanent address" statement is a little misleading I think, he's not a transient, the dude is just moving and he did warn us to PM him for his current address (which is a pretty smart thing to do anyway, always, just to make sure a viner is still around). Doing a change of address form with the post office should get the vines to him OK.
(fluffhead, don't let me down now!)
Let's not get aggravated about problems that don't exist yet. And I'm going to hate myself for this, but to quote a wise old viner:
"I've read some pretty restrictive rules on other sites & even though we have some hiccups here now & again, it's a much more free & open environment"
Cheers,
MarkintheDark
(erickat check my PM, some interesting information.)
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I suppose I am not one to
I suppose I am not one to talk. I will say he will be busy if he has more vines in the garden than mark, whose vining is amplified by consuming copius amounts of the finest and most exqusite blends of coffee beans grown in the known world.
If he just got on this topic
and let us know what was up we would be talking with him and not about him. Fluffhead, I hope you see this and chime in. Thanks.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
marye chimes in
with a reminder that issuing edicts in the Vineyard is kinda not her thing. That said, I'd favor keeping an eye on the situation and seeing if there actually IS a problem before we worry about solving it. There's a pretty wide variation on the speed with which different vines arrive and get turned around, so who knows, it could all just work. Speaking personally, I find ONE vine more of a bottleneck than I would like!
and that said
I will address the Neil and other vines shortly, thank you.
If you people really looked at the vines you would see...
...there are worse potential issues than fluffhead, whose only mistake I can see was being considerate enough to let us know he was moving. There are other viners signed up for as many vines as fluffhead, and there are viners that are only signed up for a few and they still manage to fuck up. Many of those vines on the list erickat compiled are small, single DVDs, single shows, multiple shows on single DVDs. A few aren't even currently very active, and he's mailing one out tomorrow. He posts when he gets them and he posts when he sends them.
Maybe he already introduced himself, I'll have to look at those "Introduce/Meet me" forums and see. If he would like to take the time to check in this forum and say hi, I would suggest the following opening remarks:
"Hi! My name is fluffhead420 and I'm happy to be here. Why are people starting to sound like buttholes?"
Cheers,
MarkintheDark
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And I would like to add that
And I would like to add that erickat's concerns are important. He has enlightened my musical life and the lives of many others here, always there to help, and ask's for nothing but respect for the music and the vision, which is also the band's vision, that the music is there to be shared. This is the definition of a noble cause. It is a large commitment of his time and energy and above all his spirit and as such, needs to be respected amd appreciated in order for the garden to flourish.
Fluffhead, if you are reading this, which we hope you are, please understand the concerns.
The concern is over your ability to contribute to this sharing, and not getting in over your head. The more all of us work at keeping the garden flowing, the longer it will be here, and the longer it is here, the more time there is to enrich our lives with these treasures.
We are all very happy to see you here, and I think we all love that energy, just understand why there is concern. We have all done our share of reseeding and it's like waiting for the asparagus to get just exactly perfect, and wahla....it's gone, have to replant.
My 2 cents
regarding this topic. I think that many of us with the vineyard don't want to produce vinegar but wine, which is why we get a little jumpy and concerned. Many missing vines, many have to be reseeded to continue, and often a person does get in over their heads (me recently when I was juggling 6 vines, yikes! Don't want to do that again.)
Reminds me of the old daze trying to dub off tapes of shows for many friends and just over committed, especially following a show or a great trade (that is in the days of tapes).
I empathize in wanting to maintain this space (getting hot?) but keep open to other viner's approaches and temperments. It is disconcerting to think that we would lose track of someone with a heavy investment in the vineyard, as this has happened on several occasions.
Reseeding that Winterland '74 vine, or that May '72 Europe vine (once or twice) is a daunting task, but fulfilling to keep everything moving. I just don't want to be responsible for a constipated vine (pardon that visual) and want to have everything stay 'regular' (ok, I will stop).
But I agree with the sentiments above, want to keep vines flowing (damnit) and am concerned when I see potential problems 'trouble ahead, trouble behind' (intentional dead reference and unintentional in that other realm).
Hopefully, people watch what they sign up for and have an idea of when the deluge arrives on how to dig out, but the concern is that each person continue to return back to the vineyard what the Dead so generously shared with us these last 30 years. End of my (sometimes disturbing) diatribe.
I must go mental floss.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Fluffhead
Hey all,I have personally sent him 3 or 4 vines and I generally check to make sure that people receive and then send them out, and so far so good. I am inclined to agree with Mark on this issue. It isn't like he will get them all at once, but he will hit some rough patches and have a tough time. Lets just hope that he communicates with us when that time comes. I think when new people join up, like I did a few months back, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt until they do mess up (you all did this for me, but then again I didn't sign up for every vine). I understand that it is a slippery slope and this could just hit him all at one time, and cause a bottleneck of EPIC proportions.
I need to give up coffee...
...and drink some of whatever PK's having. He always sounds way more relaxed, has that positive attitude. Viola'!
(asparagus, tho', yuck)
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I tried to
Mental floss, but my head exploded. First of all I responded to this subject without doing my homework and I owe Fluffy a big apology because he has been nothing but up and up. I think if there is open communication and people respond to arrivals and departures (as Fluffy has done) and if they post that there will be an address change (as Fluffy did) we should not be so quick to hack people on a public forum. In the past when people are unresponsive and don't respect the system here we have let them know. I think until something actually goes wrong I will not be so quick to judge (even if your name is a Phish song ;0D !!! )
New mantra: Reseeds are going to be a way of life until all vine'ers go to that big Dead Show in the sky!
"Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain."
If you get confused, listen to the music play
God save the child who rings that bellIt may have one good ring, baby, you can't tell
One watch by night, one watch by day
If you get confused, listen to the music play
I do not know fluffhead420 but I do know dead heads and for the most part we all stuck together. So far he has not caused ANY problem other than making some of us uneasy. (Is that not one of our jobs? To make conventional thinkers, uneasy.)
I has almost baled on this whole vine thing when I saw a brother being railroaded over something he has not done. If he proves us wrong then that is the time to get riled up.
We have to love each other more than ourselves. Your words have much greater inpact than you can ever imagine.
Peace (please take a few minutes and think about what that valediction means)
Rick
Early, early Jerry
Greetings Friends,Here is a vine of epoch proportions. This vine came to me from my friend "The Bus" (Jerry Side).
Its original names are garcia_1961-1967_project and garcia_1969_1970_project.
Now the Bus is a very generous sort of guy with a driven desire to put into circulation every known source of our music.
It is in that spirit that I offer up this vine. It will be **DVD ONLY** (3 dvds worth) in shn/flac format.
I am truly sorry that I cannot convert it into WAV but time, desire and recourses do not permit it.
Some of these gems have been seeded here and are active vines. If you already have them you do not have to copy them.
Please enjoy the music and one and other
Peace
Rick
jg61-07-xx.jgf.aud.vernon.17381.sbeok.shnf
jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-jupille.12004.sbeok.shnf
jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-sirmick.motb.87474.sbeok.flac16
jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.glassberg-sirmick.motb.88262.sbeok.flac24
jg62-06-11.shhs.aud.unkown.13040.sbefail.shnf
jg63-02-23.wb.aud.mogol.4501.sbeok.shnf
jg63-05-04.jgsg.fm.unkown.13993.sbeok.shnf
jg64-03-06.bmb.sbd.backus-wagner.17914.sbeok.shnf
jg64-03-07.bmb.sbd.loy.20752.sbefail.shnf
jg64-03-07.bmb.sbd.loy-hythloday.35142.sbeok.flac16
jg64-04-14.jg.aud.slabicky.92079.sbeok.flac16
jg64-07-xx.mmujc.fm.terrapin64.12696.sbeok.shnf
jg64-xx-xx.bmb.sbd.loy.24073.sbefail.shnf
jg64-xx-xx.bmb.sbd.loy-hythloday.35145.sbeok.flac16
jg64-xx-xx.wb.terrapinstation.17838.sbeok.shnf
jg67-xx-xx.jg.interview.89961.sbeok.flac16
jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.goodbear.4500.sbeok.shnf
jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.lai.6390.sbeok.shnf
jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.20918.sbeok.shnf
jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.35270.sbeok.shnf
jg69-02-19.jgdn.sbd.unknown.82039.sbeok.flac16
jg69-09-06.ja.sbd.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16
jg69-10-28.jgf.sbd.lepley.12687.sbeok.shnf
jg70-10-21.jgf.sbd.cipollina-38f.84329.sbefail.flac16
jg70-10-21.jgf.sbd.unkown.13534.sbeok.shnf
jg70-11-20.jgf.fm.pinkrobert.76324.sbeok.flac16
jg70-11-20.jgf.fm.tamarkin.76325.sbeok.flac16
jg70-11-21.jgf.fm.kiefe-cotsman.16378.sbeok.shnf
jg70-11-21.jgf.fm.tamarkin.77475.sbeok.flac16
jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.gems.34711.sbeok.flac16
jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.sirmick.28368.sbeok.flac16
jg70-12-15.jgf.sbd.unknown.6388.sbefail.shnf
jg70-12-17.jgf.sbd.unknown.6389.sbefail.shnf
jg70-12-20.jgf.sbd.tremblay.4499.sbeok.shnf
jg70-12-27.jg-nrps.fm.ted.26583.sbeok.shnf
jg70-xx-xx.jgf.fm.38f.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16
jg70-xx-xx.jgf.sbd.dodd.16143.sbeok.shnf
looks really nice Rick
besides from Ricks post of a new vine in the new vines forum , is this now the forum for the courts of vine non-sence ? IMO as long as fluffhead keeps us up to date on his address and we pm folks before sending vines out (like we should do with newer folk) . let it ride and lets all hope for the best .. if i can add there has been some vet`s of the vineyard that had problemes loosing vines when they moved .. shit happens , let`s just hope for the best .. This is just my two cents worth .. take it for what you think it`s worth .. Please try to have a nice peaceful day !!
One more thing...
Hi!
In an earlier post I mentioned "people starting to sound like buttholes". I just wanted to make sure that y'all knew that was putting it a little strong, it just felt like a mob was starting to gather. I know sometimes my PMs don't read like they sound in my head when I type them, as type-written words don't convey my sly humorously sarcastic tone of voice and so don't accurately reflect my devilish charm and boyish good looks (or maybe that's boyish charm and devilish good looks, I always forget which it is I have).
In any case, sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings by my sounding like a, you know, butthole (which looks like this: ( * ) ... haha, a butthole smiley!)
Nighty night
MitD
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Yeah, well, like our friend
Yeah, well, like our friend grdaed73 always says...nothing livens up a party like talking about politics, religion and vining. ;))Good luck fluffhead,keep us posted !
Coming soon 1994 and 1995
Looks like the vine vigilantes are busy. I have only been here since May 08. It appears to me that some folks come here with unrealistic expectations. The reality is that you have be here for the long haul to get some good music. You can't pop in here and expect to get everything you sign up for in a week. It may take months. It took 7 or 8 months for me to get the Summer '82 vine. I think some folks come in and find out it takes a long time and leave.
Anyway, I am pleased to announce a new vine coming soon. It will be one vine with 2 shows--1 show from 1994 and 1 show from 1995 (both digital soundboards). Although a lot of heads say this was the worst period, these are really hot shows. Jerry does not flub the lyrics here as he does in many other '94 to '95 shows. These are some of the very best of this period.
WOW!!!!
Please don't dominate the rap, jack, if you've got nothing new to say.If you please, don't back up the track this train's got to run today.
I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill
I heard someone say "Better run away", others say "better stand still".
Thanks to those who seem to know me albeit a short amount of time and have supported me-or at least given me the chance I deserve...I do appreciate the weary and their concerns but worry not...this is not and will not be an issue with me...as Mark stated, I am not a transient, quite to the contrary, I am an insurance agent and have been for 6 years here in AR...Recently I was given an opportunity to relocate to which I accepted...The post office forwards mail for 6 MONTHS, but that too is not much of a factor as I will certainly inform you guys of my new address as soon as I know it...I take this (music/vining/my fellow neighbor) seriously and absolutely will NOT let anyone down...I am fully aware I am signed up for a copius amount of vines, but they certainly aren't going to be coming all on one day...again, don't worry...if there is a problem, then worry and take the necessary actions to preserve this great thing but I can assure you there won't be any problems...all good things in all good time
...let there be songs to fill the air
BTW, I am not a big Phish fan, they're ok, but barely in my top 10
Vine on...worry free
-Josh
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
another thing...
Eric, once again...I do appreciate your concern and contribution...but you need to revise your list...I have recieved and turned around about 5 or 6 of the vines on the list you so meticulously compiled...all in what I would deem to be a timely fashion...I even added a lil extra fruit to them for those after me on the list. With you not knowing me personally, me not being on the vines for too long, and your said contributions I can see why you are concerned...and that's why I have spoken to you via PM a couple times addressing this issue clearly not to your satisfaction. Once again, even if people happen to send vines to my old address the good ol' US Mail will fwd them to my correct address for **6 months**...Hopefully your worries have been alleviated and you can now worry about things that are actually a problem in your life.No harm, No foul...and there won't be.
Much love and peace.
-Josh
"One way or another, one way or another,
One way or another, this (your) darkness got to give."
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
Cheers, fluffhead420
Happy to have you here, man. There's been a few bad experiences here in the not too distant past that resulted in vines disappearing, some people are sensitive to the issue. Between that and the sometimes slow pace of vine progress folks were just trying to head off potential problems.
I don't think you'll have any problem keeping up. Enjoy the noise!
MarkintheDark
PS you staying in Arkansas?
(He's an insurance agent, why did that make me laugh? Must've been the screenname, I had dreadlocks in my mental image)
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fluffhead420
Thanks for writing here. I feel more reassured about the vines now. Please note that anything I wrote about this were not directed at you personally, (I have not had contact with you before) but were attempts to keep the vineyard process moving and not bottleneck.
Enjoy the vineyard.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
July August 74
next vine will hopefully, if i have figured it all out ok finish off 74 , so keep those eyes peeled it will be posted soon
Bob
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Thanks Mark
I'm in AR now, I went to an interview in Dallas last weekend, it felt successful but time will tell...Dallas is a nice city...it captures and combines the southern vibes of AR with the big city I was born and raised in (Fresno, CA)LOL, yeah, no locks here, clean shaven, I see how the name may seem a tad misleading though-it's an lil homage to "The Family". I'm a modern day Deadhead (25 yrs old), never seen 'em live...I was turned on through Tribute bands (The Schwag, DSO, etc.), I never truly *heard* music until Dead tunes...I merely listened...it has changed my life in more ways than one...all positive....thanks again for defending me Mark, and at least giving me a chance to screw up before judging me...unlike a few others. That's super cool and definitely show's great character.
-Josh
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
and thanks Hal
It's all good in my book.
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
I dunno fluffhead...
...DFW takes the term "big city" to a whole new level, you darn near change timezones just driving crosstown. Nice folks, though, and you can't beat the food.
And trust me on this: any way you could possibly screw up I have done before, and can probably point out at least one other viner that has done it as well ;^)
Best of luck with the new endeavor,
MarkintheDark
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let the good times roll
I just can't help feeling warm and fuzzy. Welome fluffhead. My sister lives down there, and they have rip-roarin' thunderstorms.
I am thinking about changing my screen name to Exploratory Data Analysis Dead. But I stopped in my tracks because it would cause mass confusion with all the vine sign-up listings out there.
Am I getting off topic? Well, look for the '94 / '95 vine to be posted sometime when MITD is not looking. :-)
Your screenname is too long as it is, EDA
Just to put those vicious rumors to rest: I am *not* sleeping with the moderator.
(although, I'm sure a guy could do worse)
And one more thing: I'm *always* looking! Bwahahahhahahahahhahaa!
Cheers,
MitD
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Jerry Garcia with Sting
**Opener for The Grateful Dead**RFK Stadium, Washington, DC June 26, 1993
Jerry Garcia guests on lead guitar
01. All This Time
02. Why Should I Cry For You
03. Synchronicity
04. Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic
05. Roxanne
06. Fortress Around Your Heart
07. Love Is Stronger Than Justice
08. Penny Lane
09. Purple Haze
10. Bring On The Night > When The World Is Running Down
11. Walking On The Moon >Consider Me Gone >Been Down So Long
Notes:
Sting was the opener for The Grateful Dead. Recorded by a member of
The Dead's lighting crew. A nice full soundboard direct recording. Jerry
Garcia sits in toward the end of Sting's set.
This will be an audio cd, and I will include flac files for those who use them.
Wow, Lopezz
I didn't know there such a delight. Wonderful & thanks!!
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
I wonder if
anyone has the Grateful Dead concert for that night. Maybe Sting plays with them also.
Sting didn't play any with them in Vegas
I was kind of disappointed, but at least he decided to play different songs for the last show.
The setlist details here at dead.net don't mention Sting sitting in with the band at RFK, neither does the Compendium, but Bruce Hornsby did play accordion with them for the whole show!
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nope, Sting did`nt sit in
Sting did`nt sit in with The Dead at RFK I was there ,he just opened for the Dead and his sound was really low from what i remember .. " where does the time go "
The Ultimate Vine Slut Countdown
Data was taken from signup lists and postings stating "received" or "sent" so there may be some errors. Number per viner is intended to show vines signed up for but not yet received, however I need to double check a few so these numbers may include vines that the viner has currently (most have been corrected). Several vines are long-dead and some are more recently MIA, but I've included those signup lists anyway. I've missed a couple of viner names and some absent viners are still listed, but I think I've got the major sluts. PM me with any questions/error reports, and as always...
Enjoy!
Viner # Vines
60 erickat 1
59 Marshun 1
58 Oroboros 1
57 Pajak 1
56 Rangerjoe 1
55 southertam 1
54 caroline 3
53 Grateful Gooner 3
52 greatfullygreatful 3
51 LIG71 3
50 NJ Ripple 3
49 richard 3
48 Row Timmy 3
47 iknowurider 4
46 playdead 4
45 Ursa Minor 4
44 GD GRW 5
43 gdhead77 5
42 chasmo 6
41 stephen in PA 6
40 bear549 7
39 brewster boy 7
38 emily-j 7
37 wolff 7
36 boxen 8
35 tigger 8
34 Canyon Critter 9
33 dstache 9
32 grdaed73 9
31 rambelinbearisgrateful 9
30 free idea 10
29 pabogoniagirl1 10
28 jimbojones1138 11
27 ripple1974 11
26 Estim8ed 12
25 Tommo 12
24 joneb 15
23 ejjd 16
22 boise83 17
21 Dead Man Telling Tales 17
20 LoneStarDarkStar 17
19 deadheadben 18
18 Jimmy C. 18
17 TxJed 18
16 PAPPYPGH 20
15 pkpotter 20
14 Pomo1 21
13 Exploratory Data Analysis 24
12 JackstrawfromColorado 24
11 DarkStarr1971 26
10 That Nice Hippy Guy 27
9 toddsnc 28
8 stuman 34
7 Birdsong1969NJ 36
6 Unclejon 39
5 Hal R 41
4 MarkintheDark 41
3 Arkdeadhead 49
2 fluffhead420 51
1 gratefulmikes 58
Damn, found a few errors - and would like to add something
I left out sakparadise w/7, and Duplojohn w/3. Also, on the count for me I included vines I have here, so I'm down to 37. Shoot, dropped out of the top five.
Still a bigger slut than Birdsong, though. Faster, too ;^)
Finally, before I hear about it: that one vine showing for erickat is the Ratdog vine, which has been missing for quite awhile. I just hated leaving erickat out.
Here is where erickat is The Man, *seeding* vines:
The Ultimate Vine Seeder Countdown
13) Gr8fulTed 1
13) Greg McFarlane 1
13) Hal R 1
13) Billy S 1
13) Arkdeadhead 1
13) tripper 1
12) stuman 2
12) pkpotter 2
12) On the Road Again 2
12) operator 2
12) gdhead77 2
12) Hunter 2
11) JolleyRedGiant54 3
11) Unclejon 3
10) Exploratory Data Analysis 4
10) D00Dah 4
9) dstache 5
9) Ursa Minor 5
9) Tommo 5
8) Birdsong1969NJ 6
8) cosmicbadger 6
7) richard 8
6) yamadog 9
5) Oroboros 13
5) Lopezz 13
4) That Nice Hippy Guy 15
3) LTAPilot 18
2) sunshine-daydream 20
1) erickat 27
I've left out a few "joint ventures" (so to speak). Sunshine-Daydream may win out with number of shows vined, some of his vines are monsters - sorely missed monsters, too :^( . Reseeds have also been disregarded. Corrected the "ranking" number so ties have the same, should've done that on the vine slut list but who really cares.
Thanks for the shows, guys.
MarkintheDark
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time on their hands
someone has time on their hands
Bob
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sorely missed monsters
which monsters are soreley missed
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49 vines....that sounds about right
As I have added about 75 gb to my external in the past 2 months. I have to say that I didn't think that I would be a bigger vine "slut" than Mark. I must admit, at least I keep good company!!! :)