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Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --
Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(We're changing some things for 2009)
BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are
Mark - you need to re-do your math.
I maintain a vining spreadsheet - and have signed up for 31 - received 30, with an average turnaround time of less than one day. Also, the last vine i signed up for was in mid to late 2008. (ratdog never showed up - it's has been lost forever). You may be confusing vines received with vines started - which would push that number up pretty high for me.So - i wouldn't be a vine slut - but a vine sugardaddy
Help with specific shows?
I've been looking for 12-30-82 and 12-31-82 (with Etta James) also 12-31-90.
Peace,
Richard
Mark, if you dropped outta the top 5 then I guess that makes me
a top five vine slut. I didn't realize I'd stooped so low. I'm havin' a hard time believin' I am signed up for 39 vines I haven't received yet. Now I need to do some checking. I need to move the seedier side of the vine for awhile instead. Anyone interested in Los Lobos or Hot Tuna? Mark, get some sleep tonight.
"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
I would love to see....
A massive Hornsby vine. I know that there is a lot already on here, but I am sure there are shows that we haven't covered after he left the Dead and would just sit in. How about a guest spot vine--classic shows with guests (Branford, Duane, Beach Boys...etc). Maybe not even complete shows but a compilation. Just a thought from vine slut #3!
It's good practice for marketable spreadsheeting skills!
And it goes more quickly than you'd think. Yes, I do have a little more free time on my hands, and I've been catching up on Adult Swim. I can see how those Deadbase guys got sucked into this kind of stuff.
sunshine-daydream, re: missing monsters - by missing I meant lost vines, not omitted shows. Keith's First Few Months; Autumn '72 pt. 1 September; Eurovine #4 US Branch; November '72 - all disappeared months ago. (the gig with Etta James sounds interesting though, loves me some Etta)
erickat: Happy anniversary, looks like it's about a year that you've been here! That total vine number is the number of vines a viner is currently signed up for but hasn't received yet, not the total number the viner has *ever* signed up for. If it was I'd be up to over 130 completed + the ones I'm waiting on. In your case: you signed up for 31, received 30 so 31 - 30 = 1, which is what I show. I did note that I included the signup lists for the deceased vines (like the Ratdog vine) - I'll probably go back through and delete some of those, but maybe some of them will get restarted. I wasn't about to take the time to go through every post for every vine, I just found the most recent signup lists and started from there.
I keep track of my own turnaround time, but I haven't calculated an average. Probably up to several days by now.
I had a feeling that maybe people didn't realize how many vines they were signed up for, it kind of creeps up on you. Although, for example, fluffhead420 is near the top of the list now his number will start going down as the rate of vines he completes exceeds the rate of new vines he signs up for. There is probably some average "peak vine signup" number, where a steady-state is reached for a viner that signs up for all available vines. Looks like it might be in the mid 30's. The vine signup number I show may be a little high for some people, upon further review there are several where I've included vines that the viner may have in hand. I can get that info from a different spreadsheet, so for this one I only wanted to determine upcoming vines - however my data entry on the signup lists isn't consistent yet.
I wish I had access to Access, now that the bulk data entry is done keeping things current isn't hard, and it would be trivial to generate reports like which vines a person is signed up for etc. I can extract that now but it takes a few minutes. If somebody wants a listing I'd be interested in quality checking my results.
And the big caveat: the data comes from the postings in the forums, so GIGO. There's plenty of instances where a vine isn't posted as received until it's being sent out ("got this a few days ago, it's going out today"), or it is never posted as sent out ("got this today, it'll go out tomorrow"), or you don't see anything on a vine moving until it's magically skipped over a person.
Cheers
MitD
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WOW!!!!
I've definitely hit the track hard and fast as a vine slut...and I can accept this as it makes me feel happy inside. ;) :) ;D
"Loose Lucy, she was sore, says I know you don't want my love no more,
yeh-yeh yeh-yeh yeh-yeh yeh, singing, "Thank you, for a real good time!"
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
Sausage Party
Wow, I guess I have not been paying attention, but this is a 97% male dominated forum. What's up with that? We some females to balance this thing out. No wonder there's so much testosterone flying around in here.......
"Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain."
lack of females
And I am sure that description of the vineyard will do little to change that, haha, fluff.
Two females, iknowurider and Kim, have participated here but I believe they have been busy with other things lately.
uuhhhhh...yeah...
Damnit! We are forever doomed now...what the hell was I thinking...?
"Loose Lucy is my delight, she come runnin' and we ball all night,
round and round and round and round and round and round and round,
don't take much to get me on the ground."
Lady(ies): Please ignore my previous post...this place is very gender diverse.
:)
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
Ahhhh Fluffy......
I was talking about ying and yang brother........energy, not sex.
"Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain."
C'mon y'all - I can add a few more gals...
Pabogoniagirl1, Ami, Melinda, emily-j, and Paps. At least two of them are still actively vining. There's a little more Yin in our Yang than you might think. And this discussion certainly isn't going to boost the ratings...
And then there's the most wonderful Marye...
"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
And Southerntam
also posted.
And we have the coolest woman as our moderator who always posts.
"Let there be songs to fill the air."
Glad to see somebody remembered pabogoniagirl and emily
Very nice viners, they're here all the time. Emily may even get to go to her first show in Chicago, if she can talk her folks into it. That's pretty cool, a whole new generation getting into their *grandparent's* music - I think she's in high school.
Didn't realize all you *married* dudes paid attention to the demographics here in the vineyard. Me, I'm still looking for the "Natural Girl Singles Site" to find the mud hippie of my dreams!
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Northern New England vine wish list
Oh how I'd like to see:
Vine A: | Vine B:
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6-12-92 Albany | 10-1-94 Boston
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3-27-93 Albany | 10-2-94 Boston
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3-21-94 Richfield | 10-10-94 D.C.
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6-21-95 Albany | 10-14-94 MSG
eight fabulous shows, don't see them vined.....
........... really good shows.... :)
MITD You F-ing Kill me!!!!!!!!
"Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,and little change, the wind and rain."
Viners - Out of the closet!
Women just don’t tend to be the obsessive collectors that guys generally are. I’ll be honest - now it is vines. As a kid it was rocks and minerals, stamps, coins, insects, models, Matchbox cars (that must date me). As a teenager it became records. As an adult it has been books, journals and magazines, more books, Fillmore and Avalon postcards, records still and then CDs and now guitars and the newest is vines. OK out with it, I have admitted my obsessive collecting compulsions. What about yours? I suggest moving this topic over to Meet the Viners so we don’t clutter up this space any more.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
These are all available at shnflac.net
If nobody already has these, I'll go get them & put them out as a vine.it may take a couple of days to download them all from shnflac.net - since you can only request a re-seed once every 24 hours.
6-12-92 Albany
10-1-94 Boston
3-27-93 Albany
10-2-94 Boston
3-21-94 Richfield
10-10-94 D.C.
6-21-95 Albany
10-14-94 MSG
Northern New England Wish Vine
on DVD+R (show details to follow once the vine has a home)downloads in progress - mostly FLAC
6-12-92 Albany
10-1-94 Boston
3-27-93 Albany
10-2-94 Boston
3-21-94 Richfield
10-10-94 D.C.
6-21-95 Albany
10-14-94 MSG
Hello fellow viners and
Hello fellow viners and friendsI just want to explain my withdrawing from vining for bit. I have gotten a not so grate diagnosis from the dr. and will be having surgery in a week or so. I feel that I may not be able to be responsible with the vines in a timely manner, so I am going through and updating the lists.
This is a part of my life that means the world to me, so I will be back vining asap. I will still be around posting and, most likely tracking vines, living vicariously through you all.
Just wanted you all to know how much you mean to me and to thank you for a beautiful life experience.
Everything should be ok, I will be back.
peace and love, pk
The Ski McGee's '94 & '95 Pigskin Picks
Here are 2 good shows from 1994 and 1995. I have talked to some heads who regard this period of the band as the pits. I have no plans to start an argument about that, but I generally like 1994 and 1995. Jerry’s voice sounds great in these shows, and there are no major lyric flubs that plague other shows during this period. This 1995 show is absolutely fantastic compared to other ’95 shows I have heard. There are great just-about flawless versions of Ship of Fools and Brokedown Palace that are worth getting, if for no other reason. The 1994 show has a flawless Terrapin. Help on the Way here is one of the best ‘90s versions I have heard. It is extremely tight, and you can hear the guitar chords. Vince does not have that sloppy keyboard stuff as heard in 1991 (i.e. Boston Garden 1991).
Notes: 5 Audio CDs, seamless, DSB sources, excellent quality, the 1994 show I received has some songs combined together in the same track (see below)
Boston Garden, Boston, MA (Saturday, 10/1/94)
NOTES: DISC 1-Help on the Way/slipknot/Franklins Tower are combined as Track 1; Me & My Uncle/Big River combined as Track 4; DISC 2-- Scarlet Begonias/Fire on the Mountain combined as Track 1
DISC 1
Help on the Way ->
Slipknot! ->
Franklin's Tower
Walkin' Blues
Althea
Me & My Uncle ->
Big River
Tom Thumb's Blues
So Many Roads
Promised Land
DISC 2 (Set 2 Starts)
Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire on the Mountain
Way to go Home
Saint of Circumstance ->
DISC 3
Terrapin ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Last Time ->
Stella Blue ->
One More Saturday Night
E: Liberty
RFK Stadium, Washington, D.C. (Sunday 6/25/95)
Bruce Hornsby sat in on piano
DISC 1
Shakedown Street
Wang Dang Doodle
Jack-A-Roe
Mama Tried ->*
Mexicali Blues*
Loose Lucy
Picasso Moon
Box of Rain (Set 2 starts)
Rain
Sampson & Delilah
Ship of Fools
DISC 2
Truckin' ->
Rollin' & Tumblin'
Samba in the Rain ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Wharf Rat ->
Not Fade Away
E: Brokedown Palace
* Bobby on acoustic guitar
PK
Hang tough brother. Do your best to keep it positive. Hospitals suck. I have spent a lot of time in them in the last 3 years. I will keep sending the good vibes your way. Keep posting here. Maybe you can listen to all those new shows you have not had a chance to do so yet......
PK - our prayers are with you
Keep your spirits up - it can only help your health - and keep us in the loop - we're sending pre-operative wellbeams your way. Let us know if there's anything you need.
pk - wishing you the best health
Directing wellbeams of health your way my man. Strength to you and your family during this time.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
Deadheadben
Anybody heard from him?? I am waiting to receive a vine from him and have pm'd him and received no response. Let me know what you hear.
PK we will certainly miss you !!
Try to keep your spirits up , modern medicine is really icredible , most seem to be able to get you in and out pretty quick, so hang tough brother , we all love you man !! and please keep us posted on your condition .. our best wishes are with you .. and many well beams headin your way !! Take care ..Stu ..
March 28 & 31 1973 - Audio Heaven
Here is a fun little vine for the audio/techno heads out there. There are 2 versions of the 3/28/73 show - one is a stereo matrix and the other is a DTS 5.1 surround matrix. A 32 minute Dark Star in surround sound; sweet. Be sure to read the text file on the DTS show because there are some specific equipment requirements for playback (although burning the discs is just like any other audio discs)The 3/31/73 show is a Bertha Board remaster of the original SBD files; also very nice.
This vine comes on one data DVD so if you are conversion impaired you might want to wait for someone to volunteer to burn the audio discs before signing up.
First person on the list, PM me with an addy.
Enjoy!
Grateful Dead
Civic Center
Springfield, MA
March 28, 1973
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix
Set 1:
d1t01 - Cumberland Blues
d1t02 - Here Comes Sunshine
d1t03 - Mexicali Blues
d1t04 - Wave That Flag
d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t06 - Loser
d1t07 - Jack Straw
d1t08 - Box Of Rain
d1t09 - They Love Each Other
d1t10 - El Paso
d1t11 - Row Jimmy
d1t12 - Around And Around
d2t01 - Brown Eyed Women
d2t02 - You Ain't Woman Enough
d2t03 - Looks Like Rain
d2t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t05 - I Know You Rider
Set 2:
d2t06 - The Promised Land
d2t07 - Loose Lucy
d2t08 - Me And My Uncle
d2t09 - Don't Ease Me In
d2t10 - The Race Is On
d2t11 - Stella Blue
d2t12 - Big River
d2t13 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d3t01 - Weather Report Suite Prelude ->
d3t02 - Dark Star ->
d3t03 - Eyes Of The World ->
d3t04 - Playing In The Band
d3t05 - Johnny B. Goode
Grateful Dead
Civic Center
Springfield, MA
March 28, 1973
SBD + AUD Matrix 2 Source Mix (65%-SBD/35%-AUD)
Set 1:
d1t01 - Cumberland Blues
d1t02 - Here Comes Sunshine
d1t03 - Mexicali Blues
d1t04 - Wave That Flag
d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t06 - Loser
d1t07 - Jack Straw
d1t08 - Box Of Rain
d1t09 - They Love Each Other
d1t10 - El Paso
d1t11 - Row Jimmy
d1t12 - Around And Around
d2t01 - Brown Eyed Women
d2t02 - You Ain't Woman Enough
d2t03 - Looks Like Rain
d2t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t05 - I Know You Rider
Set 2:
d2t06 - The Promised Land
d2t07 - Loose Lucy
d2t08 - Me And My Uncle
d2t09 - Don't Ease Me In
d2t10 - The Race Is On
d2t11 - Stella Blue
d2t12 - Big River
d2t13 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d3t01 - Weather Report Suite Prelude ->
d3t02 - Dark Star ->
d3t03 - Eyes Of The World ->
d3t04 - Playing In The Band
d3t05 - Johnny B. Goode
Grateful Dead
3/31/73
War Memorial Auditorium
Buffalo NY
Bertha Remaster of the Master Cassette/Cassette source
Set 1
d1t01 - Mississippi Half-Step
d1t02 - The Race Is On
d1t03 - Sugaee (splice @ 1:38)
d1t04 - Mexicali Blues
d1t05 - Box of Rain
d1t06 - Tennessee Jed
d1t07 - Jack Straw
d1t08 - Big Railroad Blues
d1t09 - El Paso
d1t10 - Row Jimmy (cut @ beginning)
d1t11 - Looks Like Rain
d1t12 - They Love Each Other
d2t01 - Playing in the Band (splice @ 12:53)
Set 2
d2t02 - Promised Land >>
d2t03 - Bertha >>
d2t04 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d3t01 - He's Gone >>
d3t02 - Truckin' > Jam >>
d3t03 - Drums >>
d3t04 - The Other One >>
d3t05 - Jam >>
d3t06 - I Know You Rider
d3t07 - Sugar Magnolia
Encore
d3t08 - Casey Jones
sorry guys
Jerry 'n' Sting vine is here. Thanks to Oroboros for the heads up.
got this weird idea - might be brilliant - or stupid
but I'll put it out there for you to comment on.
what if we started a PKPotter vine of a get well card that we all add our 2 cents to & then on a pre-determined date, we send to him.
What do you think?
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Note - Our friend PKPotter is going into the hospital soon, and we wanted to get everybody to sign this card, so he has something physical in his room to remind him of us - so .... if you sign up, you will receive the card - which will have instructions inside. Add your comments & signature / whatever - and simply follow the instructions.
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and the instructions could have PK's address - so at a predetermined point, it could be just short circuited & mailed to him - otherwise, send it to the next person, just like a vine & everybody add witty comments & whatnot.
PKPotter vine
ErickatThis is a capital idea. Go ahead and get it ready to roll so there is no delay when Marye posts it.
Peace
Rick
i will send it out tomorrow morning
and send a pm to Marye tonight, so we get a topic
PK vine
Oh dude Erickat , that sounds like a most wonderfull idea !!! I`m definatley down with that ... I was thinking of somehow keeping him in the loop with the music too , I for one would be more than happy to burn him a copy of whichever particular vine and send it to him . as for his copy to keep .. but it would have to be somewhat organized , would`nt want him to get 3 or 4 copy`s of the same vines .. any ideas on that one ??
Peace & sunshine for our dear freind PK !! and for everyone else too ..
Great idea!!!
I'd love to be a part of it..i'd be down to make him extra copies of vines I recv and send them to him as well...right on! Lemme know the details and I'll do what I can to help a fellow music lover.
"In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head.
Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
I'm going to get in trouble for this...
...encouraging you guys and all, but to just so there might be a little organization involved:
Here is the list of vines *somebody* may have withdrawn from over the weekend (please don't get pissed at me *somebody*). *Somebody* stayed on the BCT/marye's vine, though - experienced severe withdrawal symptoms as you might imagine. A few of the vines don't currently exist, and I have the May '74, Carrier Dome, JGB Eel River, and Hampton/Harrisburg/San Rafael vines covered already.
1 ABB 9/28/04 Vine
2 April 1971 Vine
3 Autumn '72 Vine Part 1 September
4 BCT '86 Vine (AKA Marye's Vine) -- still signed up for this one
5 Carrier Dome 10-20-84 Vine -- I've done this one already
6 Dead/NRPS 1970 Vine
7 Elton John 10/1/71 Tokyo Bootleg Vine
8 Eurovine #1 - US Branch
9 Eurovine #5 U.S. Branch
10 Gruga Halle 3/28/81 Vine
11 Hampton/Harrisburg/San Rafael '84 Vine -- I've done this one already
12 Jazz Is Dead 7/22/99 Vine
13 JGB Eel River 1987 Vine -- I've done this one already
14 May 74 Vine -- I've got this one now
15 NYE '83 Vine
16 Phil Warfield Plus Eurovine
17 Rochester, NY 9/2/80 Vine
18 Rosemont Horizon 4/13,14,15/88 Vine
19 SEVA Benefit '94 Vine
20 St. Louis 8-4-82 Vine
(Spoiled my darn surprise)
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The Other Ones 1998 Vine
Heres something else a little different. If you guys like these shows let me know and I can try to add a part 2. I belive that this one will be 7 audio discs.
The Other Ones
June 29th, 1998
East Rutherford, NJ
NJ Meadowlands
Breden Byrne Arena
Hot tuna Opened
Rusted Root supporting act
Tapers Section
floor section 5, row S, seat 2
Nak 300's > unknown deck > Marantz PMD430.
recorded on 1 Maxell XL-IIS 110 cassette and 1 Maxell XL-IIS 90 cassette.(MAC)
MAC > SBaudigy > Adobe Audition @24bits/44.1Khz.
Adobe Audition: noise removal, click/pop eliminator, 16bit.
CD wave: tracking.
Trader's little helper: md5, ffp, flac.
Set 1:
01 GDTRFB
02 Scarlet Begonias >
03 Fire on the Mountain
04 Walkin Blues (1)
05 Looks Like Rain @
06 Mountains of the Moon @ *
07 Masterpiece @
08 The way it is
09 Playin' in the band >
10 Corrina > (2)
11 Drums >
12 Aiko Aiko >
13 Playin' Jam >
14 St Stephen >
15 The Eleven > (3)
16 Lovelight
Encore:
17 Ripple @
*last time played 7-12-69
@ acoustic
(1) first flip after Walkin' Blues.
(2) second flip during Corrina.
(3) third flip after The Eleven.
Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bruce Hornsby,
Steve Kimock, Mark Karan, John Molo, Dave Ellis
recorded and transferred by Chris LaPorte, CLaPorte@upstatetapers.org
The Other Ones - June 30, 1998
Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY
Recording Info:
SBD -> Dat -> CD
Transfer Info:
CD -> EAC -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Disc FLAC)
Converted to FLAC By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
September 2, 2005
notes:
--disc 1->2 drums transition
Setlist:
d1t01 - Drums ->
d1t02 - Mystery Train
d1t03 - Minglewood Blues
d1t04 - Jack-A-Roe
d1t05 - Down The Road
d1t06 - Tennessee Jed
d1t07 - West L.A. Fadeaway ->
d1t08 - Dark Star Jam ->
d1t09 - Drums ->
d2t01 - Drums ->
d2t02 - Preacher in the Ring ->
d2t03 - Dark Star ->
d2t04 - Uncle John's Band ->
d2t05 - Playing in the Band Reprise ->
d2t06 - Throwing Stones ->
d2t07 - Not Fade Away
encores
d2t08 - Box of Rain
d2t09 - Touch of Grey
The Other Ones
Montage Mountain
Scranton, PA
July 08, 1998
Schoeps MK8 + MK21H>Schoeps KCY 250/05I active cable>Schoeps VMS02IB>Sony SBM-1>HHB PDR1000
Dat Master>Tascam DA-30MKII>Sound Devices 702>Soundforge 9 (Fades, Sample Rate Conversion)>CDWAV>FLAC
Recorded By Keith Litzenberger & Jeff Travitz appox. 40ft from stage
Disc 1:
Hell In A Bucket
Scarlet Begonias >
Fire On The Mountain
Mountains Of The Moon
Minglewood Blues >
Hound Dog
Looks Like Rain
Disc 2:
Rainbow's Cadillac
Bird Song >
Drums >
Space >
The Other One >
Wharf Rat >
Touch Of Grey
THE OTHER ONES
Furthur Festival @ Shoreline Amphitheatre
Mountain View, CALIFORNIA
July 25 1998
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source: digital soundboard
digitally remastered, edited & SHN(v3)'ed by BRUNO
bruno@kabsi.at
using a Mac G4 w/ Bias Peak 3.0 and various plugins
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CD 1
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01 Tuning
02 U.S.Blues
03 Playing In The Band =>
04 The Other One * =>
05 Ramble On Rose *
06 Down The Road *
07 Jack-A-Roe
08 Friend Of The Devil
09 Iko Iko *
CD 2
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01 China Cat Sunflower *# =>
02 I Know You Rider *# =>
03 Drums *# =>
04 Preacher In The Ring =>
05 Banyan Tree =>
06 Corrina =>
07 Playin' Jam * =>
08 The Other One * =>
09 Wharf Rat *
CD 3
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01 St.Stephen * =>
02 The Eleven * =>
03 Turn On Your Lovelight *+
04 One More Saturday Night =>
05 Touch Of Grey