Grateful Dead

On further thought, I think a reseeding topic would be fine. If no one offered to reseed a vine there, a pmail could be sent with a request for a reseed to one of the folks who already got the vine. To those who have been discussing this, thanks for thinking about this stuff and furthering the cause of keeping the vines running smoothly. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

why I suggest a new topic is because most people, or at least I dont go through vine topics that i have already received and passed on. As a result, I have no idea that a vine which I already received has stalled. How am I supposed to offer to re-seed if i am not aware a vine has stalled? I suppose a pm system might work, but I don't see the harm in a separate topic asking for re-seeds. We can also post in the specific vine topic as well. A central re-seed request topic is something we can all check periodically. If I see a vine that I have, I can offer to re-seed without me continually checking each and every vine topic. We can post our offer to re-seed in the actual vine topic, as well. My opinion is to give it a shot and see if it works. However, if the community is against it, it is no big deal. I just think it will make it easier to re-seed without having to visit every topic. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

But if we could modify #3 to what Hal is suggesting, we'll be set. Lets keep a re-seeded vine on the original thread to keep all the info in one place. Next - how do we deal with folks who cannot be reached, so they get skipped but then they show back up and want the vine that skipped them? If you have to skip someone, move their name to the bottom of the list, or to the next in line on the list? I suppose this could remain flexible but if you get skipped, you should be able to still get the vine eventually I just don't know if it is fair to have to wait until the end of the list. But that would be the easiest solution. Or the person just has to sign back up again... Then again maybe I'm making too big a deal about it?? Just thought I'd throw that out there since we are on the topic... Have a grate weekend everyone and happy vining! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

reseeding vines topic - I am not sure if this is best as its own topic or not. After all if you already have a vine, you might not be looking through the reseed topic. I have reseeded several and the way I did it was by getting a pmail with a request for a reseed. It seems to work that way and also by posting on that vine's specific topic, thread. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

1. FLAC is the preferred format, but ultimately it is up to the seeder. As in the past, people should feel free to request that someone create audio cds from a FLAC vine, and it is up to fellow viners to choose to do so. 2. Re-vining an occassional show is not prohibited, provided there is at least some justification for doing so, such as the show fits within the theme of the new vine or it is a quality upgrade. 3. There will be a separate topic for requests regarding re-seeding a stalled vine. Before re-seeding, all reasonable efforts should be made to get the vine moving. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

I am not against flac. Flac all you want. In fact, I have gotten a few flac vines by accident. I thought they were CD vines. I burned them to a DVD for storage and "future" use. I just don't want to see all vines go flac--that's all.

I prefer flac because it ultimately puts less strain on my burner, but if my only option is burning a few cds for a show that I want, then so be it. I like flac for the quality, and for the reason I just stated. A 20 cd vine in the end, ends up being 40 cds once i get done uploading them to iTunes and then burning them, but I still love my CDS and until I get a transmitter that broadcasts my iTunes library through my stereo receiver then CDs are what I am stuck with it. Any way to listen to the Dead is better than no way!!

Derek, I really enjoyed your diatribe - it was quite constructive - and from the last couple of days I'm glad to see we still have a pulse out here...Y'all rock! I am a big fan of FLAC over WAV. FLAC are ridicuilously easy to manipulate with Traders's Little Helper and you can even play them back with foobar 2000 which you can get here: www.foobar2000.org Anyone who needs help using FLAC format I'm willing to work with you - PM me. As for vine duplication, it is getting harder to avoid, and in cases where only a WAV version previously circulated, FLAC would be an upgrade. Not to say that there aren't plenty of other ways to download these. And FLAC definitely takes up less space. Cosmic, what size hardhat do you wear? I am always game to reseed anything I've touched. Lonestar, thanks for doing some sleuthing - I'll reseed the 1st Anniversary Vine. I think a reasonable vine turnaround is 3-4 days with the ocassional week here and there. I'm certainly guilty of being slow now and then or failing to remember to post. But, I will never fail to answer a PM nor will I be offended if I am called on a slow turnaround - we all have the same goal - spread the music. Peace brothers and sisters! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

My thought process during these Vineyard "meetings of the minds" with a lot of different opinions is; I try to put myself in that makeshift Sausalito office with unmatching squeaky chairs in a band meeting, and think - "What would Jerry say"? In my imagination of course it would go something like this: (He lights a Camel)" Listen Man, who gives a shit? If Joe-Blow (no pun intended) has a machine from the fucking "Enterprise" that will compress musical notes into macromolecules so be it. Let him flac away. If Joe-Snow (pun intended) has the original boom box from the Fat Albert show that just plays plain old CD's, well he should be able to listen to the same stuff as Blow. I don't care about the music once it leaves our stacks, but they do, so it should be made available to all." I share Jerry's opinion. Some of the community is not Flac compatible. They should not be told what they can and what they cannot get off this forum. On the other hand people that are compression friendly have the choice to sign up for a vine that is not compressed. Something Iknowurider said struck me. She said " I have a good many shows that leave a lot to be desired concerning sound quality, but over the years I guess I've felt/heard them so much that I don't even notice. UNTIL I get the primo stuff, whoo hoo!!!" I can relate. The primo stuff is UN-REAL. It is the quality I dreamed of when I had my quite large collection of scratchy fucked up cassettes. I listened to a choice few (Freedom Hall 74' I would rewind Eyes of the World over and over and over, Barton Hall 77', and Starlight Amphitheatre 85') until they were so stretched out Jerry sounded like a frog on helium or they had some form of liquid spilled and spent too many hours on a 120 degree dashboard that they would just seize up and I would be pulling spools of tape out of my Alpine! Point is, then IT DID NOT MATTER! I have never been one to like light cigarettes (quit two years ago!), light beer, or any kind of stepped on watered down shit! When I heard my first couple of compressed soundboards of shows that I had listened too a million times I WAS HOOKED! I am not a "techy" but I am figuring out how to make Flac work for me because I love the quality. That's my choice. Exploratory Data does not want to spend the time and neither does his machine. That's his choice. This community should make a pact to provide the music for anyone who has the capability to so in any modern (no LP's, 45's, 8-Tracks or cassettes please!) format. I think the reality is, it will always be up to the seeder to decide how she, or he is going to vine the show. If she or he decides to seed just a compressed version in my experience there will always be some cool person that will convert them and add the MP3's to the vine if there is a request. (These opinions of "what would Jerry say" are purely from my warped Lysergic infused brain and are not meant to make anyone think I am a totally psycho dude who thinks he's Jerry). "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

I perfer audio Wav or MP3 files. I don't have time for flac files, and it takes 1 hour to unflac/unpak 1 show on my computer. I don't have an ipod, itunes or iphone or any other "i" device. So, before the pro-Flac vigilantes take over, let me say, keep the audio CDs a coming--especially for 3 or less shows in a vine.