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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • wjonjd
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    This might be a little off-topic, but Minas' post got me to thinking about DP8. If I'm not mistaken, most if not all of that show is recorded only in monophonic. I remember reading a story where Dick Latvala, very early in the Dicks era, mentioned to some of the folks involved, including engineers, how great the Harpur show is. They responded by laughing that he must not know a good tape, because that one was in mono, and not a great recording even so. Of course, Dick, like many of us, always valued the performance significantly more than the sound quality. In any case, years ago there was an attempt by record companies to offer simulated stereo versions of older recordings that had only been recorded in mono. Back then, this simulated stereo was really bad, and the idea never really never took off. However, with modern digital technology this need not be the case. A company called Pristine Classical offers their version of stereoized versions of older mono classical recordings. I don't remember what they call their process, but they describe the process on their website. Even though the purist in my cringed, I tried a couple of these, and you know what? They sound great. Very natural, as if they were originally recorded in stereo, giving the result a much more spacially natural presentation when played. My question is, since this is can be done very well now, do you think most deadheads would rather get the best mastering possible of the Harpur show, but essentially left as it is in mono, or do you think folks would be willing to give a stereozation a shot? Personally, I wouldn't mind paying to get a professionally stereoized version of this show.
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    what 970jbob said
    "These new cds are of unreal sound quality in General. Not sure what the dead or Jeffrey Norman starting doing in mastering in the past year or two but I am eternaly grateful." I agree - these sound so good, it's like some new technology was implemented. I would like to see some Dick's Picks remasters with the 30 Trips treatment. Let's get Dick's Picks 8 sounding like the 30 Trips Winterland 1970 show; let's get Dick's Picks 1 sounding like 30 Trips San Diego 1973; let's get Dick's Picks 3 sounding like 30 Trips Possaic '77 (I mean wow, this 1977 show is fantastic, probably the best sounding '77 show - put Peggy-O on the headphones). Even the DaP 15 show from 4/22/78 sounds eons better than DaP 7 from 4/24/78. Performances two nights apart, releases two years apart; I know, there's something going on says Frida.
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    ..evidence of a misspent youth? :D
  • Sixtus_
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    Who Knew???
    ....that MV would be a locale so as to spur such mass tom thievery. Ahh, well. We all seem repentant and in fact better off for it in the end despite some initial angst. It's the Joy of The Share, in The End, afterall. Chin Up to All on this Monday Sixtus
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    Thanks jbob. Now if someone will come forward with my missing Fox Theatre '77 tape.. that will complete the run of misplaced tapes from my stay at Martha's Vineyard. Reminds me to be careful with my Dave's Picks while driving through Massachusetts. (kidding) As for the Augusta '84 show, that's Quasimodo on lead guitar and vocals.. Jerry called in sick that day. Man that guy can play the guitar!
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    With the grace of God we all can be forgiven. I too committed a terrible missdeed I must confess to you now. It was the summer of 1989 and was also coincidentally on Martha's vineyard as well. Was at a rich spoiled kids house party and took one cassette on the way out. It was an incredible recording of Fillmore East Dark Star Lovelight with the allman brothers. This tape turned so many people onto the dead in college it was incredible. I have felt guilt but let it go as an act of rebellion as a wayward youth. I wish this could be an official release Dave lemeiux ??? Life is about moving on and forward. Couldn't afford the box but have gotten 1968 1979 1983 1984 1988. All great in their own way. Love the matrix recordings of 79 83 84. These new cds are of unreal sound quality in General. Not sure what the dead or Jeffrey Norman starting doing in mastering in the past year or two but I am eternaly grateful. Also the 1984 show is top notch all the way but to see what Jerry Garcia actually looked like, poor condition physically all hunched over barely moving is nutty but obviously mentally he was all there. https://youtu.be/3cgc7Srb_Jw
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    10/21/83 • Fire On The Mountain
    This song turned my 4-year-old son on to the Grateful Dead (or the Skeleton Band, as we call them). He loves it. One time, I put the song on and set iTunes on to the "Classic Visualizer." We sat, listened, and watched as my son ooh-ed and aah-ed at all of the cool shapes,color, and patterns on the screen. Kinda reminded me of the digital images they'd put up on the screens at Dead shows. I'm so proud!
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    FLAC > ALAC on a MAC
    I simply drag the FLAC files into XLD, press convert, and the change to ALAC. Open up in iTunes.Simple. I save the FLACS, but back up my iTunes ALAC files with all the AW etc.
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    it`s a matter of fact that this terrorism can happen anywhere anytime. Glad to hear you are ok. I feel sad and angry at the same time ..... why can people be so ill-minded ? what has happened to love and peace ?DEADHEADS UNITE AGAIN AND DEMONSTRATE AGAINST THE RAPTURE OF FREEDOM AND PEACE
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    I just finished listening to the second set of this again, and christ jesus i can't fathom how anyone wouldn't get off on this show. It's fantastic. Has one of the best drums-space they ever did, and the whole set rocks and rolls and jams and takes off. Someone commented earlier at there being no creativity in Jerry's playing on this show. Listen to the second set of this show with headphones and play it loud (there are parts of this where the wisdom of moving sharp edged furniture out of your immediate vicinity will be apparent), and then re-read that last sentence. I LOVE this show.
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Can someone please tell me why in gods name Phil is singing lead vocals??? Why won't they let trey sing? This was my biggest fear....
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That was the most subdued dark star I've heard, have only heard pre-95 before but that was weak
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....going with Trey. He's getting it done!! Impressive.
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Just FYI, Jeffeis' comment was made less than halfway thru DS. They made a pause and launched into a nice jam followed by the second verse and then a segue into St. Stephen
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Man I don't want to be a downer and I truly appreciate this last hurrah, very positive show but let's face it when its dark star into st stephen just to keep pace, the vista cruiser has long been retired. So many beyond description performances by this band, this show is a great reminder / remembrance, guess I'll leave it at that - and that too is truly special, dont mean to diminish but this bands legacy casts an impossible shadow...
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...space -> What's Become of The Baby
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...The other one followed by Morning Dew
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....at the stroke of midnight. Bravo!!
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Thank you and GOOD night!
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Truckin>UJB>Alligator>Cumberland>born cross eyed>Cream puff war>viola lee blues Set 2 Crypt>dark star>st Stephen>the eleven> Love light>drums>space> what's become of the baby> Space>the other ones>morning dew> Casey jones... And this isn't part of the package for sale because?!
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I still need to hear the show,, hopefully Sirius has it going today,, Anybody have any favorite highlights ? The pictures on Instagram from Santa Clara looked pretty cool and hopefully all had a mighty fine time. Tonight the Sunday show could be pretty heavy on tunes from 1971-1972.. And some from 1970, like Dark Hollow I'm thinking tonight will be songs like Greatest Story Ever Told Jack Straw Black Throated Wind And for Sure has to Have a crunchy - Not Fade Away > GDTRFB > NFA - as part of big second jam EDIT : Check out the pics of the massive Rainbow hanging over the Levi Stadium,, Captain Trips was definitely somewhere over the rainbow
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Last night was listening to a FOB 08/06/1971 - great, great energy... has this ever had an official release? Phil singing huh? he could be rough on his best day, back when... i prefer the music from the past, and NOT just for the Dead, really doesn't matter, for me it is like an athlete - at some point you just aren't as good, I think anyway - like being on the seniors tour? I get AARP stuff so i am there too :)
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Per deaddisc.com: Aug 6, 1971 1 live song Fallout From The Phil Zone, Grateful Dead, 1997 Aug 6, 1971 5 live songs Road Trips: Vol 1, No 3: Summer 1971, Bonus CD, Grateful Dead, 2008 Aug 6, 1971 7 live songs Dick's Picks, Vol. 35, Grateful Dead, 2005 P.S. re: The Dead show, I stayed up late enough to learn about the opener. So glad folks had fun! Have a grate summer all.
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go down the road about a week later,, Berkeley Community Theater August 14-15, 1971. Very nice and similar to the two nights at the Hollywood Palladium.
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I should have just guessed Loser instead of Feel Like a Stranger. lol
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I watched it in my living room so not quite the concert experience but man how often do we get to see the guys play some true "live/dead" era stuff--definitely not what I was expecting but really a fun time! Early 70s theme tonight?? American beauty/workingmans dead? Can't wait to see. To all the people complaining, please remember that it's not 1977 anymore. These guys are in their 70s and still rocking out. Open your mind a little and be grateful for what we have. Have fun to all the folks going/watching/listening tonight!
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Great analogy - Tiger Woods comes to mind.
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Any guesses on tonights opener and closer? I had a good feeling Casey Jones would close a set last night and sure enough it was the encore. Somebody posted they opened with a Smokestack tease. I thought for sure it would be Truckin' then a Smokestack.. Any guesses for tonight set openers and closers.. I think tonight will close with Brokedown Palace.. Opener is a tough call,, I would say Promised Land for opener but I think they wanna open with a longer barn burner,, So most likely Dancin in the Streets as tonight opener
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Good Times at 6:00. Boy was I way off. That was one killer setlist.
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What an interesting experience, my first live stream and it went well even though it was a laptop on wifi with some PC speakers. Total lack of preshow banter and the set break was like a screensaver that got beat quickly, I would have preferred the soundboard camera shot like they had before the show began. Yes, I'm a picky Deadhead, but this was okay, which is one of my higher post Jerry ratings ;) The fact I can take the webcast on tour to visit friends and rewatch with them through July makes it even more appealing and I'm seriously thinking about going for the Chicago webcasts and taking them on the road in July to visit some old tour buddies. Going to be hard to beat that setlist though, even if they keep up the chronological theme, it's all downhill from here as far as my tastes go. That's what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Chicago ones, it's going to be hard to match Live Dead AND What's Become of the Baby.
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Great set list, but they really could have rehearsed more. The whole Live Dead segment was shakey, and I thought they didn't really get it together until Morning Dew and Casey Jones.The drummers were solid, keyboards were low-key all night; Phil, Bob and Trey appeared lost at times. Hope things improve tonight.
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Cream Puff War was the best tune of the night! Phil needs to turn more vocals over to Trey. My one takeaway from last night would be to shorten the jams-they were too aimless and none seemed to really go anywhere. No need to jam for the sake of jamming.
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The band sounds good!!! Some nice footage on youtube
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Sounded like practice to me.
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A little shakey on this online streaming business...Have the House to myself and would like to see the show. What is the easiest way and How?? I have an ipad, a BLU RAY and one Desktop computer. Would like to watch on the big TV though.Any Possibilities here?? I appreciate the Help!!
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....purchased the first Santa Clara show through youtube. How can I replay it?
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Vguy- I have been unable to replay on Youtube, either. It just says the live broadcast is over with a frowny face. Kevinbrandon- based on the three devices you mention, your desktop computer is the best option. Note: by ordering on youtube, you can only watch on the device with which you place the order. You have to have a youtube account or google account. After purchasing, you will get an email confirmation with a hotlink in the email to access the broadcast. Depending on what audio and video outputs your computer has, you can pipe the audio to a big audio system and the video to a larger screen. The webcast is in stereo, the video is HD 720p. Hope this helps.
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Some of you may be interested in the 1st night results. Truckin' was correctly guessed by 5 people: TheeAmazingAce333, WhenInRome, Wadeocu, Strider88 and Mbarilla. The last two folks both sent in their entries right at 6:00. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(cue dramatic music, cut to commercial). OK, we're back. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(drumroll)...Strider88! Come on down! (Actually, just send me a PM with your address so I can ship your prize) Congrats! I'll use the same entries for tonight's opener. Good luck to all!
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....one time only. Figured it out....oh well. Guess I could always buy it later. Probably not though....
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For those who may be curious, here's how the guesses went: 6 entries: Feel Like A Stranger, Promised Land, The Music Never Stopped 5 entries: Golden Road, Jack Straw, Truckin' 4 entries: Bertha, Hell In A Bucket 3 entries: Help On The Way, Here Comes Sunshine, Viola Lee Blues 2 entries: Playin' In The Band, Shakedown Street 1 entry: Box Of Rain, Cassidy, Caution, Cold Rain And Snow, Dancin' In The Streets, Estimated Prophet, Gimme Some Lovin', GM Little Schoolgirl, Half-Step, Iko Iko, Early Morning Rain, Let The Good Times Roll, Minglewood, Not Fade Away, Saturday Night, Passenger, Sugar Magnolia, Wheel, Uncle John's Band. And a special gold star to whoever mentioned "What's Become of the Baby" - never thought I'd hear that one played! Cheers!
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And Phil can't sing. The whole first set was a struggle. Interesting that the whole show was tunes from 1970 and prior. Will all the setlists be such segmented time slices? Will they repeat anything between cities? Phil's only strong vocals were on Whats become of the baby. Trey Can't Sing the Blues, but OH MAN he sure came through in the second set!! I streamed it, and enjoyed all the great camera work on Mickey. Bruce's vox and piano should have been louder, and Trey should only try singing when he feels sincere. so I had mixed feelings. I would have felt ripped off if I had trecked out there and sweated through that weak first set.
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This has probably already been mentioned here but if you buy the stream through MLB then you have 30 days to watch it. YouTube is only 24 hours. http://mlb.mlb.com/concert/dead50/
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Consensus from this board not very positive. I saw one say " could have been worse". I thought it sounded real good and thought the band was solid. I was in atom with some other people so wasn't watching as close as others. Wished Phil would not sing solo and that Hornsby was more prominent but all in all ... It very much exceeded my expectations.
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I CANT STAND ALL THE NAY SAYERS ON HOW THE BAND PLAYED SOUNDED OR ANY THING NEGATIVE !!!! Phil's 70 something and Bob's younger but still a senior citizen thank the Good lord they even played live at all. Not a day goes by that I don't miss Jerry or my Father or both there both gone way , way too young so to all that negativity shut it ,cause I wish to God I could go And see the Boys Just one more time
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I was at the show last night. All I can say is wow! Sure during the first few songs we saw them having problems connect at times... But it just got better and better. I agree with the "Phil needs to sing less" comments but not with the comments that the jams were too long and aimless. You can look at a setlist or watch a webcast... But being there was incredible. Trey fit in very well and did so without just trying to mimic Jerry. His style was still very present... But he was playing the notes that jerry would have played. In the next four shows, these guys are going to get better and better and there will be many faces melted in the process...
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"Home in Missoula,Home in Truckee, Home in Opelousas, Ain't no home for me. Home in old Medora, Home in Wounded Knee, Home in Ogallala, Home I'll never be." Sal Paradise
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I have no doubt that will be true. The so-called "consensus" isn't. I, for one, will be watching tonight. Seventeen minutes 'till showtime!
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Just checking in! watching tonights webcast! Looking forward to it! RIP Chris Squire...a great underrated bassist! He will be missed! Take care folks!
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Did anyone else catch the frustration by bobby and phil for the song perhaps not starting on time, Watch for phil and bobs reaction, around 32:00-33:00 into the first set..maybe it's just me, but interesting nonetheless https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUA46DyiIk
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For the love of Christ!!! Let trey sing!!!!! Not even row jimmy??? Cmon
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No condemnation here- just joining the dialogue. Just watched the first set video someone generously posted on youtube. The band was fun, and definitely more dynamic than the bulk of the Dead's shows post '90, but I wasn't inspired by it. It sounded more or less like every other post-Jerry incarnation of the Dead/Further/ whatever. Actually of all the incarnations I've heard, I thought that late Furthur with Kadlicek has been the best, and has risen a bit above the others. Still, although the guys are reasonably tight and musical, the music's lost the subtleties, grandeur, rawness, lyrical density, and unpredictability of the Dead in the 60's, 70s, and parts of the 80s. Also- again, I'm not 'hatin,' as they say- I've always felt Hornsby is too polished and polite for the Dead, though he helped to save their ass when Vince was around. Plus- with two drummers AND two keyboard players, the music's developed this crowded ensemble feel. Trey- he's fine, as guitarists go, but I'm surprised that people are so wowed by him- his playing here doesn't sound particularly distinctive or seem to advance the music. Just the first night, though- maybe a strengthening is in store. Am not saying that no new guitarist could bring some magic back to the band, but so far he hasn't been found for these shows.
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....on purchasing tonight's show. Sorry Phil, but you can't sing. One Hornsby lead last night? Really? Unfortunately, I think it's an ego thing with Lesh. Stick to the bass.....please. Bruce should sing most every Garcia tune, with some Anastasio sprinkled in....no brainer imo....
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Thanks for posting the first set. Loved it!!!
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Your welcome , glad you enjoyed it :-)
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Set One: Feel Like a Stranger > Brown-Eyed Women > Loose Lucy > Loser > Row Jimmy > Alabama Getaway > Black Peter > Hell In A Bucket Set Two: Mississippi Half-Step > Wharf Rat > Eyes of the World > He’s Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Death Have No Mercy How was it from anyone who watched/was there?
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