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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • jrf68@hotmail.com
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    Moses GuestLive Stages Get some...it's good. :) ...Over The Car->Under The Stairs...
  • LoveJerry
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    Somebody on the other thread, I forget who, brought up a point about the secondary market, which was basically that Rhino depends on it to ensure they sell x number of copies of each release in a very short amount of time. This guy who wrote the article worked for a record company or something, I wish I could find the post. But it totally makes sense. Basically, Rhino needs to sellout each release in 3 or 4 weeks to not only be profitable, but to extend the life of the series. By making it limited edition, they sellout immediately and actually rely on the secondary market to be there and buy out what the individuals don't buy. It amounts to free distribution for Rhino. They sell off their 16,500 Dave's Picks in a week, and never pay a dime in distribution costs. For Rhino this means more dollars per unit and less units sold to make both make a profit and re-invest in the next release (and making the next profit). So I get it. Rhino is a very unique position, in that they have a rare product with seemingly no end, and this thing called the internet. And in fact, these very message boards are a major source of advertisement. I'm just happy I'm ahead of the curve now. I spent a lot on eBay back-filling my Dead collection. What I would be interested in, is the legalities involved in re-issuing a product that they originally sold as a limited quantity item. Even if legal, I doubt they would do it, out of fear of ruining their current, buy it now, while it's hot sales model, which is undoubtedly working. One thing I feel confident in, is that if Rhino felt that re-releasing FW 69 Complete would be profitable in the long run, they would do it (and perhaps they will). But I imagine it's a tricky balance, as Morning Sun said - never underestimate the turmoil of breaking a promise to the original people who bought it (of whom I am not one - fucker cost me 400 bucks). Plus I'm sure they all have a dozen copies of all of them that they're saving for 10 years from now when they're going for a grand on eBay ;-)
  • Cousins Of The…
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    Not sure what the exact wording was when they first released it, but some of the music included in the set has been available on the 3 disc compilation.Rhino could produce a set with all 4 FW 69 shows, add 2-11-69 Fillmore East release, change the name and add a disclaimer that would say something like "portions of this set was previously released as Ltd Edition FW box set, etc." Lots of "limited Edition only", and "promo only" music has been re-released that way.
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    if they want to re-release they would definetely need a new mix. I dont think packaging much to do with it
  • Roland Bruynesteyn
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    FWIW, let me echo SpaceBro's (and others) sentiment: I own FW'69, and enjoy it immensely.By all means, re-release it, so that more people can enjoy it. I do not mind scalping, or a secondary market. In general, I don't mind limited editions, bonus discs with first runs etc; companies can run their business as they see fit. But I'm a capitalist through and through: if more people want it, and Rhino can make more money, by all means let's do it. I know that the secondary market, at least in this particular case, exists bcause Rhino said that FW'69 would never be released (in any form?) again. Some people would feel cheated if, after paying a lot (NOT to Rhino though), it was re-released. But surely most Deadheads would want other Deadheads to be able to acquire this set, and there should be some way around it (cheaper packaging or whatever) to get past this?
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    Yes, reissue it as a limited edition of 16,000.$130 each + shipping and sales taxes where applicable. For that $130 you'll get the four shows - 2/27, 2/28, 3/1 & 3/2/1969 in 4 tye-dyed design artwork, thin cardboard type sleeves with a simple booklet with only the song titles, the track times, the songwriters credits and publishers credits with two or three photos, WITHOUT AN ESSAY, all enclosed in a lightweight cardboard case with artwork similar to the original 2005 issue.
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    glad to hear the 69 shrine vinyl release sounds so good. i plan on picking one up soon. as for the 69 box, and other limited releases, i think rhino needs to view their 'investment' in the grateful dead as being holders of something culturally significant. limited edition stuff should be just the initial physical product, but everything should be available via download. as i've said before, they should act like smithsonian/folkways, where nothing they have ever released goes out of print. you can't go to their site and order an original woody guthrie or leadbelly record, those have been out of print forever, but you can download it or order a custom burned cd. there is nothing you can not order. i believe rhino is just waiting for the last 150 usb's to sell, then they will offer all 30 shows via download. as for the 69box, i don't remember their wording, but a physical product probably can't, or shouldn't, be re-released that way, but all 4 shows should be put out via download, if the suits think they can legally do it. if not, lesson learned....
  • Charlie3
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    Dennis Wilmot, feel free to ramble on, you made some good points in a funny way. it sounds like I may have been one of the same two people seated next to you at shows;)For my two cents, I have the 30 trips box and it wouldn't bother me a bit if they made another production run in the future, with or without all the extras. I didn't buy it as an investment, I purchased it because I wanted to have the music and after missing out on FW69 I knew I would regret not having it more than I would regret spending the money. At some point I would like to pick up FW69, but there is a limit to what I can pay and feel OK about the purchase. I understand that the limited edition model is probably what makes the ongoing releases possible to this extent, so it is what it is, but it seems that they could set it up so that it would be possible to reissue things after some period of time. As far as copying limited edition releases, I guess the band makes their money when the original sale occurs and are unaffected by any subsequent transactions, so there's that.
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    I throw my 2 cents into this, I agree with those that say a release of limited edition stuff as maybe a digital download is just fine with me. As always if price is the limiting factor I can not believe you can't find someone to make you a copy. Some say "oh that's illegal", sounds like corporate lawyer talk to me. I agree you shouldn't be knocking out 1,000 copies of something and selling them at the local flea market, but to slip a buddy a copy, fuck no. I remember when people didn't even think twice about making a cassette copy for a friend. Of course the "industry" hated that, they even tried to get a "tax" on blank tapes to cover the "losses" they were suffering. What hogwash! The record companies seem to be doing fine! Ebay prices will disappear or come down if people stop buying them, just like tickets for sporting events (which sports fan seem to believe are way out of whack). Remember when FM first took off and stations would play a perfect album side, even told you when to start your tape. I'm sorry if the record industry makes a product that is easy to copy. Why didn't they just keep producing records? You couldn't copy them as easily as cd. Because they wanted to squeeze out the free music of radio, cd's people would buy more of because you could take them in your car. Did the industry ever return money for those shit 8 tracks that they sold? Or even the shit cassettes they sold? Those store bought tapes NEVER lasted long, but a good maxell made at home lasted forever? I still have cassettes I made from 1980 that play just fine. But the few store bought ones I got the cases always warped in the heat.I think I can most assuredly say that if you could shove a new caddy into a port of the computer and have it shit out a new caddy, everyone would have a new caddy and be saying fuck GM. (probably a lot of people already saying that) You don't see anyone making "illegal" copies of books and you could zerox a whole book. I'm surprise the corporate lawyers haven't tried to shut down public libraries, since they allow people to listen, read and view all copyright material without paying any fee to the owner of the copy right material. There was a point when Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain and Disney just couldn't let that happen, so they had congressman Sony Bono push thru a revision of the copyright laws that allowed them to keep the copyright. (see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act ) Technically if you owned a bar, you couldn't play cd's you own there without a fee being paid to industry. CD's YOU OWN! Can you imagine if you bought a repair guide for a car you owned and you got a second car of the same make and being told you couldn't use that manual to fix the second car, that the use of the manual was only for the first car. You have that same thing with software you buy, you buy the package but can't use it where ever you want, only once (maybe 3 times for some) Sorry I've rambled a bit, but corporations piss me off. They want risk socialize and profits privatized. They want to be citizens with no one responsible for jail time. Fuck them! Record profits and the world still fights for crumbs. On the illegal front, I get a chuckle out of this. I thought it was illegal to bring "drugs" into shows or buy and sell them. Oh, I forgot nobody who went to dead shows did drugs. Like nobody in England watches Doctor Who. The show has been on for 50 years and nobody admits they watch it! Just like back in the .net days, nobody on net.dead did drugs! I must have always got seated next to the same other 2 people who did :-) Once again sorry for the excessive rambling.
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    I am fully supportive of a re-release of the FW69 box. The whole reason I have the info that I have is that (being the anal retentive completist that I am) I emailed David Lemieux to ask why in the hell the box set hadn't been reissued. Any deadhead that has looked at eBay in the last 5 years can see that this box is in absurdly high demand. I hate the idea of limited releases and find it absurd that they would limit anything. The only thing that does is drive up the price on secondary markets (just look at the 30 trips box on eBay).
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Or whatever you call it...not a big fan. I'm on here all day and I have to refresh the page to keep the entertainment rolling and I'm trying to listen to shows (full shows) on archive and spotify, etc...a lot of the times I forget to hit pause right away... just one man's opinion.
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I'm a huge fan of collecting Grateful Dead music, I love the music from all eras. The later 90's shows honestly get little play time from me. I'm also a Pono owner and wanted the HD files. So, I had to choose one or the other. I went with the Box Set at the end of the day, just had to have it. I know there is a lot of debate about the sound quality. When my Special Edition SYF Pono arrived, American Beauty and Terrapin Station were installed. I was blown away by the sound quality, I heard the full music for the first time. I can hear the difference. Friend Of The Devil is the track that stands out the most for me, I heard music there I had never heard before. It's truly a listening experience. I downloaded the Halloween Show Phish played last year in HD. Again, I was blown away by the intense clarity of the sound quality. I have acquired many shows, albums in HD and really love it. The only drawback is the price of the HD files, more, much more. I don't always buy HD, ALAC serves me well and sounds awesome. It all boils down to personal choice for the listener. I can load up my iPod shuffle with AAC format and jam all day. I listen to my Pono with headphones, that can be another debate right there, many brands to choose from, again, personal choice. I have Bose and Sony and enjoy wonderful sound. I know there are $400.00 sets out there, to pricy for me. I made the choice for the box set. I think the shows WILL be available for download, and I'll grab a few of my favorite ones in HD over time. I'm grateful that we have so many choices to choose from. For many people MP3 is fine, then there are others that frown on MP3. Again its all about personal choice for the listener, collector. Peace
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Yep.. lots has already been written on this subject. I will say almost without exception the Hi-Res available (including Workingman's Dead and American Beauty) were completely re-mixed.. so a lot of the differences we hear can be at least partially due to new mix. Just my two cents, I have gone down the blind test rabbit hole myself.. there's usually more to it than just higher definition audio. Anyway, it certainly can't hurt to go down the high res path. The end result is often more attention to the mix, use of higher quality playback devices, use of higher performance earphones and often more attentive listening. Its all good, right? May the Schwartz be with us all.
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I was hoping someone would catch that reference.
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After the first day's craziness when this first was announced, I watched the sales for the first week or so. Based on that, I figured it would sell out mid-late August, so I think my estimation was correct. These will all be gone within the next 3 weeks. Rock on
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The HD Tracks release of the studio albums were definitely not remixed. Not sure where you read about that. In fact, you're the first I've seen to actually make that claim. Please share a link if you have it.
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My DVD Audio copies of American Beauty and Workingman's Dead were remixed by Mickey. Perhaps there's others out there that are not, but this what I was referring to and have heard similar comments from others. Are there copies out there that are using the original mixes from the source vinyl releases? That would surprise me.. I apologize if I got this wrong on some level.. but my copies are definitely not the same mixes as the original vinyl mix of these two albums.. but that's where I got my info from. This is what I was talking about. http://www.livedownloads.com/music/0,8823/Grateful-Dead-mp3-flac-downlo…
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that would be fantastic. Could you imagine, 30 trips, all vintage, made in the year that each show was recorded. I'm sure there would be some orange sunshine, yellow sunshine, orange double dome, clear light window pane, purple haze, purple microdot, perhaps even some of those Mickey Mouse blotters, or those red and purple dragons, or those gold dolphins, maybe even some of that blotter on the construction paper. Now I would buy 10 of those boxes. All joking aside, this is THE dead box, take it if you need it, or leave it.....but you really can't complain about it, can you? If it costs too much, get a second job, spare change on the corner, sell a body part (hopefully one you have two of), sell off unnecessary stuff (or necessary stuff), prostitute yourself (if u ain't too ugly), if there are shows in there that you don't want, re listen to them, perhaps you missed something the first time, never too late to come up with a reason to try or a way to fly. Just DO IT.
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I will say this about the idea of smaller subsets of this release being offered: The description says, "Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD." That leaves open the possibility for either: 1) a collection of shows being sold on CD ("the '60s" or "'70 - '75" or "the '80s", etc.), 2) individual shows being offered for sale via download, or 3) all of the above. What they don't say is as important as what they do say. Just like individual shows weren't offered for the Europe box until the box sold out, they won't offer individual shows here until the boxes and USBs sell out. But because some folks here freak out about not knowing all of the long term plans of Rhino on Day 1, people get agitated. Stay cool, and you will have the opportunity to bitch about the cost of individual show downloads or collections of shows on CD before you know it! lol
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If i were to sell ,, here is my price points. Sorry Rhino you guys just did all the hard work and now I can Profit !!! Yippie !! 1 disc show = $30 2 disc show = $40 3 disc show = $50 4 disc show = $65 lol ,, any takers ?!?
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So yes, there is some confusion because of these two different releases; one being the 2001 DVD Audio of both WD and AB, which were re-mixed by Mr. Mickey Hart. Then you have the HD Tracks release that used the original mixes. Here's the blurb that came with the HD Tracks: "From David Glasser, Chief Grateful Dead Engineer, Airshow Mastering:The Grateful Dead studio albums were mastered from the original master tapes in Airshow Studio C, Boulder, CO. Transfers were done at 192kHz / 24 Bit from an Ampex ATR with Plangent replay electronics to a Prism ADA-8XR A/D converter into a soundBlade workstation. The studio, designed by Sam Berkow, has Dunlavy SC-V loudspeakers driven by Ayre Acoustic amps. For comparison I referenced the previous CD versions and original LPs. The goal was to remain faithful to the originals while at the same time extracting as much resolution and detail as possible using modern technology, and improving on the original releases, if possible. Some of the masters were transferred flat with no EQ or compression. (That is a testament to the mixing and production of the day; Terrapin Station, in particular, sounded spectacular right off the tape.) When needed, EQ was either a solid-state Prismsound MEA-2, API 5500, or newly manufactured Pultec EQM-1A3 tube equalizers. Very light compression from a Fairman TMC was used on 5 of the titles. No peak limiting was used on any of the masters with the exception of Built to Last, the only album that was originally mixed to a digital recorder (Sony 1630). All the dynamics of the master recordings have been retained. Several of the tape boxes contained the original LP EQ notes, and these were taken into consideration. "
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Interesting. Thanks DinaMoe.
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I can sell them for $5 less than yours, still make a profit, copy the entire content of the box, and keep all the packaging! I think I'll by 10 boxes. But seriously...Hopefully they will make downloads available soon after the box sells out.
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Maybe I need a flash sale to compete with this $5 less scheme ;) Buy one, get one half off ?!?
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This party is losing its appeal. They keep playing the same song over and over again... Please turn off this feature.
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Blows.It's f'n annoying.
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If its one show you want I will burn it for you. PM me your address and I will send it to you sometime after boxzilla arrives, or if its 3 shows, just say. I was just tired of hearing the ungratefulness of our fanbase, who I think are the luckiest fans ever....by a mile. Peace
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I always have my sound down to prep for autoplay - but my boss was rocking out when it was on, so that could be good :) Excited for the 81 show - and, I have never heard any show from 1986. That will be new for me.
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ok, we will put you in the promotable, has a cool boss group. I regret the need to add a new category to this analysis, however. The 'drug test this employee immediately' category. Didn't think about that one. In any case, I won't miss this feature when its finally gone (and it will go).
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Turn it off please. Really Bad Default.
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After seeing that they are down to 250 sets for the 30 Trips, I decided to call to confirm my order was all set. Well to My surprise they said it was canceled because of a Credit Card Fraud on my American Express. To my knowledge there was not one and I had to re order it. I just don't want anyone to be left out for whatever reason there may be.
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....i don't know about you, but I divide the sound of the band into seasons. I know some of you do too. The Dead's sound changed monthly imo. Ever evolving. I broke down the show gaps for 30 Trips, so here we go....rounded off of course.... 66 -> 67 16 months 67 -> 68 9 months 68 -> 69 4 months 69 -> 70 14 months 70 -> 71 11 months 71 -> 72 18 months 72 -> 73 14 months 73 -> 74 10 months 74 -> 75 12 months 75 -> 76 12 months 76 -> 77 5 months 77 -> 78 13 months 78 -> 79 17 months 79 -> 80 13 months 80 -> 81 6 months 81 -> 82 14 months 82 -> 83 15 months 83 -> 84 12 months 84 -> 85 8 months 85 -> 86 11 months 86 -> 87 17 months 87 -> 88 10 months 88 -> 89 15 months 89 -> 90 12 months 90 -> 91 11 months 91 -> 92 6 months 92 -> 93 12 months 93 -> 94 18 months 94 -> 95 4 months Season count.... Spring 7 shows Summer 7 shows Fall 13 shows Winter 3 shows Just crunching numbers, but Fall rocks!!....am I crazy? No. Obsessed?...hmmmm, definite maybe.... ....it's funny when you see a word repeated over and over and over, it doesn't even look like a word anymore....
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than first thought. Not only does it "auto-play" whenever I refresh this page (annoying enough), but since WMP is my default player, if I happen to be listening to a show in WMP and load up this page, my show is rudely interrupted by the listening party. Please fix this.
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Thanks Dr Shakedown - I really do apprecitate the thoughtful offer. After much agonizing in June, I did finally order the box. I was more reacting in a general way about what I perceive as a lack of understandiong of the dilemma this presents for some folks. For example, many have pointed out that if you really want the box, you can just work extra, etc. My point was simply that no matter how much extra one makes, if you have a family it can be very hard to rationalize such an esssentially selfish allocation of resources. But - I did rationalize it :0 --> "it's an investment! it makes me a happier person which makes me a better dad! I rarely spend money that isn't for the family!" and so on... I also got a number of really kind PMs about this, including questions about what that favorite show is (and one person guessed correctly). The show is: Lindley Meadows. Also super excited about Cape Cod, Cornell 81, everything from 67 to .... aw heck, it almost all looks good to great. ----- As for the autoplay. Agreed on that - I'm sure they'll fix it soon. Meanwhile, for those of you with iPads, I've found the autoplay doesn't work on this, so I am using it to log in to the site.
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I do believe there will be some spin-off action from this box. Claney, your breakdown is logical except for two things. One, most of the 66-71 shows are 1 or 2 CDs long making the 66-71 box much smaller than the rest. Two, if GDM really believes 70s sells better than 80s/90s, the 87-95 box has a big risk of being a sales dud. I have no idea how they would break up the 30 shows into mini-boxes. I wonder if some of these shows may later be included in other boxes. For example, a June '85 box or October '79 box. At this point the chance of a Live In '75 box is pretty damn slim, so 9/28/75 may never appear outside the 30 Years box... Or they could do exactly what Claney is positting...
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MaryE, where are you? Can you help with this? No one likes it...
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To put this in perspective: Remember how enormous and expensive those first Box Sets in the 80s seemed? Dylan's Biograph (3 CDs), or Springsteen 1975-85 (3 CDs), etc. Now for Deadheads those are just normal releases, and a "small" box set is three shows and 9 discs... Guess they had to wait until rock fans got older and had more disposable income. EDIT - good point Seth! I just couldn't think of a way to divide them that didn't have other problems (for example, having a box with a show from 77 and a show from 81 just seems weird, unless it's in the context of the whole shebang...
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...for those weird Yuppie Techie types who would spend big bucks to buy those little silver things that were played by shining fancy Buck Rodgers lights on them inside black (or silver) boxes. But for normal people they were FIVE vinyl discs and who could EVER make something bigger than that! Both those boxes were super awesome back in the day, as was Clapton's Crossroads box (FOUR CDs!).
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Just noticed that Vic Firth passed away on Sunday. Local legend in Boston - member of Boston Symphony Orchestra. Thought this was interesting: "Mr. Firth’s percussion business brought him celebrity within a broader drumming world that extended well beyond the sphere of classical music. His daughters, who worked in the family business, suggested that he appear on occasion with rock bands, which Mr. Firth did. He was once reprimanded by a BSO manager for having performed in Providence with the Grateful Dead."
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Was a Led Zeppelin bootleg box set called 'Uncensored' http://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-Uncensored/release/3420177 I was 15 years old, and spent my first paycheck on the set. It cost $95 bucks for 5 discs of never before released materials. I have collected whole shows since then, but this started the box set/bootleg era for me :) Ahh - memories.
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This could be it for 30 Trips. They must be doing an inventory calculation to see exactly where they are at. Stay tuned for further developments Rock on
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20 Years Of Jethro Tull. Still one of the best, the unreleased material far outweighing what was already available on there and collecting up stray tracks and rarities.
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hbob, that sounds ominous. It sort of sounds that Grateful Dead Productions is going to sever their ties with Rhino. If we recall, GDP signed a 10 year merchandising deal with Rhino in 2005. Perhaps GDP will go back with Music Today, or ATO Records, the company that Jerry Garcia Family LLC is currently using, or even Real Gone Music. "Stay tuned for further developments." Wait and see.
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Well it was only temporary and now has re-opened. There are still at least 99 Boxzillas left. I too have been wondering when the 10 year deal with Rhino expires and what will follow. Rock on
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The Feel Like Stranger from the listening party is killer!! Jerry is completely out of control. I think I have a new favorite Stranger!!
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Thanks Marye.
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are some of my favorites. For what its worth, there's a few versions of early 80's Let It Grow that are amazing also. Weren't we all a little stranger in the '80's?
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I hadn't heard that it was a 10-year licensing deal set to expire this year, but if that's true, I would be absolutely shocked if Rhino ended this arrangement. Look at the name of the executive producer on most Dave's Picks releases and Boxes from recent years, and then look up the head of Rhino Records (hint - it's the same guy). In the 21st century, where any album can be obtained digitally for nothing with a few mouse clicks, the Dead are releasing 4 live albums plus a boxset per year and leaving zero inventory on the shelves. I think Rhino's probably pretty happy with how this has played out. You think they're selling 70,000 Smiths boxsets every year?
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Not to mention the Vault is no longer in Marin County, its in Burbank. Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Divorces are a painful and expensive. I see Rhino and the GD courting a bit more. The Fare Thee Well presale could be looked at like a lovers quarrel though..
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or not? I understood that the licensing deal ends sometime soon. One has to assume that the Dead organization will want to continue allowing material to be released so a new licensing deal seems certain. As to with whom they will cut a deal is unknown (to us, at least) but Rhino would seem to be in a strong position as they are the current licensees and have (as far as we know) done a reasonable job. Whether or not the Dead organization are satisfied with Rhino's performance is another matter and one that we are not privy to. All will be revealed in due course, of course. One has to hope that this 30 Trips box is not a last-ditch attempt to make as much money as possible out of the licensing deal before it expires, but we are not cynical enough to even contemplate such a possibility, are we?
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When I used to hear this song at shows, back in another lifetime, I always thought it was a pretty song but not exactly a "Grateful Dead" type of song. While I didn't dislike it, I would have preferred almost any other song. Listening the version from Oxford Plains this morning, as the father of two beautiful girls, it really touched me deeply. I'm not sure how it will be received but I will attempt to add it to the lullaby rotation, which at this point includes: James Taylor "Sweet Baby James", The Beatles "I Will" and Elvis "Can't Help Falling In Love".
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This was my first show...and It's a Monster sometimes called the EVERY other One Other... One.One of the first shows I streamed and transfered to reel to reel from the then downloadable Sound Boards. I would love to see what the "cleaned up" version sounds like and add it to my collection. There was a time when I bought EVERY release that came out but in the eco crash of 2008 (right around the middle of the road Trips series ) I just couldn't keep up any more. Any help out there for an aging 70's dead head?
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