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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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June 11, 2015 - 8:07am

#6801

Oxford 88

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Cumberland County Blues...

Owl's Head- You churned two memories directly related to the Mighty Cumberland County Civic Center, Portland's music mecca. Saw many great shows, including the Heads in 83 and Hamstrung in 86. I saw the Stop Making Sense show three times within a week (Springfield, Portland, Cape Cod) and while the show had just a little variation with the set list, these are the best concerts I ever saw. Musicianship, energy, choreography (a word not often used in discussions about live Dead). This was the show to end all shows (no wonder they never toured again). The movie and soundtrack are still in heavy rotation. The Hamstrung Blues was part of a strange night at the old barn. The first set was pretty fun. We had seen the shows in Hampton and beside the Box breakout, that run was really weak. Right up front for the first set, the playing was energetic (in relative terms-I was always quite critical about the shows I saw) with Jerry providing good energy. The Hamstrung Blues split the set up with people scratching their heads, trying to figure out if they had heard it before. Second set was very run of the mill... Portland shows were always great with the Old Port rocking and laid back security inside. Would love a 9/17/82 release. I appreciate the Maine loving on 30 trips.
June 11, 2015 - 8:06am

#6802

pghas1

Joined:
August 29, 2011

Brent...

My years were 87-94 so I was and still am a huge Brent fan - thought that his high range vocals with snarl fit perfectly. In terms of his playing, he really worked tremendously well with Jerry and pushed him to new heights during that renaissance period. He knew where his spaces were and how to get in and out of them. Because of the nature of the two instruments, Garcia really needed a keyboard player he could work with and Brent was the guy. My personal opinion, touching also on the Garcia interview, is that he was both devastated and furious at Brent's death. To the point where it wasnt too long after that that he lapsed back into serious drug use and never really recovered. And man, even if you weren't crazy about Brent at the time, how could you not love him once Vince Welnick joined the band? Now that was a pick made with the "we've got 4 weeks until tour and he has a high register voice" decision, because I never felt like his style meshed with what they were doing.
June 11, 2015 - 8:03am

#6803

boblopes

Joined:
January 13, 2009

Sneakpeak & re: Talking Heads

Three of my favorite TH tunes are "No Compassion", "Warning Signs" & "Crosseyed and Painless". Got a better appreciation for Cities after I saw Phish cover it at Lemonwheel... When they added Bernie Worrell and that intensive persussion section, they definitely stepped up their game. Saw David Byrne at Avalon (Now HOB) probably 10 years ago and it was a good show... I could not resist, I created a playlist of what I had from the archive that's being released on 30 Trips. I'm listening to it in chronicle order and was pleasantly surprised by Pigpen doing "It's a man's man's man's world" channeling Janice without her dynamic range (of course). People are in for a treat!!! Almost want to stop listening so I will get totally blown away by the stuff I never heard... Come on Dave, unless you're redoing the seaside chats with less wind, release another chat!!! Or at least a sneakpeak at the box... EDIT: fixing bad grammar...
June 11, 2015 - 8:02am

#6804

Cousins Of The…

Joined:
September 10, 2009

More Brent"(and Weir)

I thought he was ok the first few years, soundwise; though his songs were definitely late 70's "light rock" However, I cannot listen to his ad-libs on Little Red Rooster, just plain vulgar and ugly. On the other hand, Weir's songs after Terrapin got really clunky both lyrically and musically. It's hard to believe the same songwriting team that wrote a piece as melodic as Weather Report Suite(not to mention the whole Ace LP), came up with Feel Like a Stranger and Picasso Moon.
June 11, 2015 - 7:50am

#6805

stoltzfus

Joined:
January 13, 2010

Brent

Keepers: just a little light, pocky, a bunch of others the one I wish had never been brought out (keep it in the family): I will take you home. Way too personal of a song. in any case Brent's awesome. a little showboaty sometimes, but still awesome. listen to 9/24/83's Uncle John's Band. Brent's keys are so freakin' beautiful.
June 11, 2015 - 7:43am

#6806

owlshead

Joined:
January 18, 2014

Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues

Anyone? Listening to "Shakedown Stream" from yesterday... doing 1986... the only year for this baby... Brent - he was my keyboard guy when I went to shows: 84-89. And I thought he was fine... Now, at 50+ -- and I can listen to so...... so.... much, that I would never have imagined back when I was a kid. So now, Keith and Donna are my faves.... But yes, Donna sometimes swallowed the mike (as an old friend use to say) and I am another one that is not a big fan of the Pig raps... oh well. But, I love the Beatles too, and I don't love everything... so my 2 cents Speaking of back in the day, any Talking Head fans on this board? I remember that a number of my Dead friends (as well as myself) where into them... in the 80s. Was watching Stop Making Sense last night on youtube... When I saw that movie in 1984, me and a couple other guys I was with were dozed, but my big take (or high-insight at the time, and it still holds) was rhythm and percussion, I was fascinated by it from the movie, and it still informs my acoustic guitar playing to this day! As well as Jer and Bobby -- Jerry had some pretty good rhythm chops too :)
June 11, 2015 - 7:36am

#6807

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Blow Away

Blow Away is my destructive Brent Anthem. Great tune live. Also glad I didn't notice that.
June 11, 2015 - 7:10am

#6808

Mar-T

Joined:
January 24, 2011

Ornette and Brent

Ornette Coleman, free jazz sax legend and Dead collaborator died this morning. Remarkably courageous and powerful player... RIP, man.On the Brent front, I wasn't a fan when I was in my 20's. In fact, "I will take you home" was dubbed "I will take a piss" or "I will get a beer." Great chance to take a breather. Not until he died did I really begin to fully appreciate his contributions. Like Oxford, I am particularly thrilled by his use of the B3 and Leslie. He channeled more authentic blues energy than anyone in the band. Listen to some of those Walking Blues or Never Trust a Woman from 90 and check out his stunning organ and scat solos. The dude had chops. He rocked best to Pocky Way and Blow Away, IMO, not to mention Gimme Some Lovin and Hey Jude. Hell, now that I have two kids of my own, even I Will Take You Home has a place in my heart!
June 11, 2015 - 6:51am

#6809

Oxford 88

Joined:
April 28, 2012

Gone South Overnight

Ooowee, the Brent bashing has reached new lows overnight. My live experiences with the Dead spanned the Brent era. I am not a diehard advocate for Brent's tunes, although that Hey Pocky Way opener at Shoreline 87 blew me away. As a back-up singer, Brent took a few years to hit his stride, but I liked the smoky fills on a number of songs. Jerry loved singing back-up, but he sure needed help for a good stretch of the 80's. In terms of the playing and his "sounds", after he got away from the Schroeder toy piano sound and started working the B-3 with the Leslie, I thought it was outstanding. I liked the semi-soulful, pseudo Allman sound this brought to the mix. Hell, I even liked the cat scratch fills on Loser (haters may want to skip this on 10/21/83-it was incredible live and for me it has held up to multiple listenings). We are a funny bunch- grumbling about too many Lovelight raps from Pig, the off key caterwauling Donna on many tunes and the block chords that Keith resorted to at the end. I listen to it all- yes, I absolutely prefer the strongest eras and the best shows within each. I did not purchase either of the '90 boxes because I knew I wouldn't give them the time they deserve. I am not sure there is a need to tear anyone apart in these forums, whether a band member or current poster. We have the ability to simply move away from what we don't like and allow others their space to enjoy. Even within the world of licorice there are many different textures and tastes.
June 11, 2015 - 6:46am

#6810

Chris Grand

Joined:
August 20, 2012

minas

that's a bit harsh, but i agree that the 70's songs sounded better in the 70's. i will say this about brent...i caught a "go ahead" show in new orleans in the late 80's (billy & brent plus some other players), where brent was the bandleader, and it was FANTASTIC something about being the man in the band brought out a side of him rarely seen with the dead. gone were the michael-mcdonald-warbling and the occasional histrionics, and in its place was well played rock/blues/R&B so take that for what its worth...

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

24 Box Sets Left

I hope there isn't going to be too many people regretting not buying. I want to see the inside of this box, how the CD's are packed and pictures of the book really bad.

O.K....

Gearing up some shows waiting for this box...daves 8, dicks 13, and dicks 32 which are shows all around shows in "Boxzilla"... just passing the time!....

The packaging....

....I believe that the discs will be presented ala DaP with a hard foam laser cut "case" with slots ala a firearm case or something to hold a collection of Toy Story dolls ala Toy Story 2. Or they might be presented with a May '77 setup. Who knows? No Road Trips please!!....

Only 22 boxes left

They have been going fast this week end. Should be sold out tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. I guess we will not see the inside of the box until the postman delivers it in 3 weeks. Can't wait. Rock on

Moses Quasar

Don't skip 7-28-82. A fantastic show, not officially released but great nonetheless. A fantastic TLEO. A top choice for release if you asked me. Funny, I haven't really latched on the other Red Rocks '82 shows yet, but this one has always been a favorite since I've been listening on tapes. Gotta get to those other ones myself just to hear if they capture the magic...

220 left

220 left - the 200 I ordered I've cancelled as didn't think I'd make enough profit back... Just kidding....but I might have a spare (through mis-ordering) taking offers over $1500 in 6 months lol Now where's the goddamn pictures of the inside!!

Jed

Our friend from Tennessee doesn't need me to defend him, BUT I'll say there is a place in that one for Jerry to soar. It's in the instrumental bridge part, where he often starts off with a carnival theme and often ends somewhere I could not have predicted. Not all of them achieve lift off, but many of them do. The repetition of the verse licks can be a little tedious if you're not in the mood for it. But that song would be far from making my list of "wish they never wrote it". That honor would go to LLR for me, at least in terms of songs from early on.

Countdown

17 days until the ELEPHANTINE box ships.

One Man - LLR

I would agree that LLR can often be, um, pedestrian. But, I still remember being in the car as a teenager in 1979 sometime hearing that tune for the first time on a tape when my brother mentioned "doesn't Jerry's playing there sound just like rain pitter pattering deliciously over your mind?" Wish I could remember what tape it was. A Tempe tape, maybe. Anyway, since then I've heard a few versions where they blow the roof off bringing that tune to its end. Now, El Paso - maybe some of those early ones could get creative, but it never did much for any of the shows I was at. I would put it on my list before LLR. Did someone already put Day Job on the list??

11 boxes left now

It is only a few hours now until "Sold Out" gets posted Rock on

10 it's raining looks like rain

One of my fav's. I've ALWAYS thought 4/16/83 was the best one ever done. You want rain on the roof,,, this is the one. https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-16.sbd.miller.28294.sbeok.flacf I had a shit tape for years, was so happy when I found a soundboard by Charlie.

it's raining looks like rain

Only 8 left

Get 'em while their hot!!!!

Down to 5

5 left!!

4

3

2 2 - oops

Back to 3

3 again

2 oh, to have disposable income

i'd grab this sumbitch

Fillmore 1966.07.03

Slight change of subject from the countdown... I have deadbase 50 and have been wasting lots of time with it. I looked up the Fillmore 1966.07.03 show from this box and on Deadbase XI it has a setlist that matches a copy of this show that I have (I only have the first half). The additions to the Setlist on the deadbase 50 section changes "He was a Friend of Mine" to "Just a Hand to Hold." The copy of the show I have looks like only the first disc, so I'm missing the end of the show... however, it does have "he was a friend of mine" although, it almost sounds like it was from a different show... there is dead space at the end of the track and the sound quality of this song doesn't match the rest. Does anyone else have a copy of this show and have the same experience? Also, what is "just a hand to hold..." Never heard it. just killing time waiting for the big box...

Can't wait .. Hurry up

I am thrilled I got my box set , wish my father were still with us to enjoy it, he took me to my 1st dead show at 10. What a long strange trip it's been

gone

Finally. At least now those that can't afford it can lose the temptation. I am relieved

SOLD OUT

Okay let's start shipping!!!!

Hooray!

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel relief that it's finally sold out. I have known since the day it was announced I would not be able to get it and now I can finally stop scheming and dreaming of ways to make it happen. Should I just open up a credit card my wife doesn't know about and get it? Is this worth getting a divorce over? Ha! Congrats to all those that will have this treasure trove coming their way in mere days! Enjoy! I will get the 4 Disc compilation and be happy to have it.

Unbelievable

Already on eBay, COMPLETE box for $1,195.00, FREE shipping, 10 watching per hour, it doesn't take long, does it?

Now that it's sold out...

I'm getting worried that my order accidentally got canceled... Just paranoia...

Accidental Cancellation

Same thing here Dusty.rambler. I went through and double checked my order when there was about 10 left.

Now that it's sold out...

How about a little more info on the box, if we can't get any pictures? Who did the artwork? Are all the CD covers by the same artist? Are they digipacks, sleeves, those DVD sized things from the 1977 box or something new and even more difficult to be put a shelf with the other CDs? Is the box number going to be on the single? What is the "box" constructed with? Does it really contain a scale version of the cardboard cut out that was inducted into the R&R Hall of fame? Does it ship on the 18th or is that the day it is scheduled to arrive?

Artwork for CD cases

I think it would be really cool if the artwork for each show was a reproduction of the poster or flyer for each event. I've done this for my catalog of shows and always think that the artwork of the show helps me feel the vibe for the show better. New original art would be cool, but as this box documents the Dead's journey through time, I think artwork from the time of the show would be cool.

ebay

I wouldn't be surprised to see these (complete sets, not broken up) going upwards of $2000 or even more in second hand markets after they start shipping. An investors wet dream if you are one of "those" types of people, and with lots 'o money. Myself, it's all about the music and my personal enjoyment of listening to it, which to me is priceless with no monetary value. I see investors and salesmen as those with no real emotional attachment to the product. Just the money they can squeeze out of it...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re: Artwork for CD cases

Yes that would be cool to have the actual poster art as part of the cover. The later tours didn't have many show specific posters, but they always had a nice tour poster with contemporary poster artists that were worth grabbing.

re: ebay

I guess having bought one I'm an investor, so with that in mind I hope many people sell individual shows from their boxes, for insane amounts of money.This will make my still complete set a better investment, that pays dividends every time I look at, play with or listen to it's contents. I wonder if it'll fit in my safe deposit box?

Hey Spacebro

Nice Seinfeld drop at the end!

Still sold out

They didn't "have a few more left" this time (like DaP 15). I'm imaging if orders are canceled they will not offer them back for sale until everyone who ordered got one. This would give them spares for damaged products or dropped orders from their site crash when this thing first went up.

wow.

speechless and grateful. faith in the human race restored... email box full, and one amazing friend on the eastern seaboard. it's why my musical life revolves around this band alone.

30 Trips physical is a done deal.....

....looks like Rhino's abacus was calibrated just right.... ....congrats Brian. I thought I saw your finger up in this Internet parking lot....you deserve it....

Cancelled order....

....just checked mine. Says backordered but not cancelled, so I think I'm good. Dead.net has not failed me yet....(crossing fingers and toes. Ouch.)

30 Trips Artwork

That question went unanswered..(at least when I asked it). I'm curious too, it can make the difference between something cool and something really special.

Re: 30 trips artwork

I really like the art work from May 77' and from Spring 90 Too, however those were 5 and 8 shows respectively. The art for this 30 year box will hopefully be more diverse. I think both of the previously mentioned boxes really fit the time... How are they going to capture art from a 30 year span. This mystery makes me giddy just thinking about it, and now that we are so close to delivery, I say DONT give us a preview of the art. I can wait 3 weeks for a surprise!

Comments on this page are no longer accessible from main page

Was on main page and clicked the link to boxset and got everything on this page except the comments - waz up wit dat? Before this page goes away I am interested in a show by show discussion that someone mentioned earlier. Is this something Mary can pass on to the webmasters? I am planning to in sequential order from the start. Now that it's sold out, break out the videos discussing the shows please!!! Dave vs Wild! With special guest appearance by Bear Grylls showing Dave how to ride a whale with just a few of his bumperstickers and a 50th totebag.

Show discussion forum

I brought this up a while ago and saw some interest. Would live to see that here or created elsewhere. I think it would be cool if 30 threads were available at all times so anyone could discuss the show they were listening to. I looked into creating a free forum and it's possible, but I don't have the time right now to invest (planning my wedding). If dead.net can't create this for us, can someone else take the lead here and find the right forum? Steve-something.tv was mentioned. I checked it out and was unimpressed as any topic can be created so it would be hard to find the various threads, but I'll go where the discussion is.

Dusty.rambler

A suggestion to go here: http://www.dead.net/shows-by-yearI'll meet you there. That section of the site is begging for traffic.

Now the BIG ? IS.....

Now that GARGANTUA has finally...SOLD OUT, will TPTB at least think about releasing each show individually, a la, E72 TCR, or is the consensus here on this forum is that's not going to happen? And while I'm at it why not a "sneak" peak at what's inside, inquiring minds (at least mine) would like to know what my $699.98+ TAX gets me.

boblopes...

It seems the message board part is tied to the BOX SET.Because it's sold out, when you click the main page link, it brings you to the USB purchase page. No msg board. So go to store>Music. Click 30 trips box set. here you are.

Shows by year

Thanks Wilfred. This section was recommended a while back, but the page wasn't working. I'd gladly use this space if it is operational!

50th anniversary box set

Now that it's sold out maybe they can start shipping it tomorrow? I can't believe there's still people that don't know what on this...it's 30 shows complete and they're 1 show from each year...they have the show and track list...let's put this way you'll be busy for at least a year listening to the 30 shows on top of the shows you have already...I assume 99% of the people who get Dave's picks got this one too...i'm kind of uneasy about the price but who can say it's cool I can pay 700$ with no problem it won't set me back much...a few lawyers and doctors maybe...but i'll be entertained for at least a year so it's worth it I guess...worth it where I couldn't pass it by either.

yeah

It works, I check it every day. And, I think I'm the one that recommended it. Great reads, and you'll find mvp's everywhere (most valuable posters: e.g. 'hockey john') Good luck with your wedding planning. So glad I eloped!

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