30 Trips Around The Sun Box & Digital USB

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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October 11, 2015 - 5:12am

#2891

Kayak Guy

Joined:
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RE: How do you digitize and digitally store your GD

I'm all PC based, and my audio workstation is running win XP, so the software is old freeware.I rip the CDs to the PC HD using EAC on the most secure setting. Because the machine is offline I have to create a text file with all the info I want on the files like track name, album name, venue, show date... it seems tedious, but I feel adds to my knowledge of the album and gives me the chance to make it exactly perfect. After the CDs have been ripped, it's copied as a wav to a 2nd folder and that copy is flacced. The original wav rip is then brought into Wavlab for trimming of silence at the beginning and end of tracks and and jams are reassembled for better shuffling. These wavs are saved to an external "jukebox" HD for play through windows media player on a different PC. The CDs after ripping go into storage in the original packing materials. The flac files are copied to an external HD that has only flac files ripped from my CDs, that's 2 externals so far, but I also have a 2nd flac back up HD and Jukebox HD, so by the time I'm done there are 4 copies of each CD. I have a Sansa player, which plays flac files for my portable listening pleasure. Because I'm paranoid, I also have friends around the country that offer me "offsite" backup by storing filled HDs I send them through the mail or give them when I visit. They, being the buddies they are, check the HDs often to make sure the files all still play and the backups are valid. I pay nothing per month for storage beyond the cost of the original HD. They don't seem to mind checking the files for validity, it all works out well. Yes, I have a lot of HDs and most of them are backups, but it isn't really a digital collection if it's all on a single HD or device and it's all connected to a single machine, it's an accident waiting to happen.
October 11, 2015 - 3:25am

#2892

beatingthelilies

Joined:
November 10, 2007

#3290

has landed and I dove right into '84! I'm now listening to the 'Brown-eyed Women' from '81 and think this is one of the most inspired versions I have heard in a while. This is exactly why I bought this set. It's fun getting sucker-punched by random songs from random years. With that being said, I just wanted to caution everyone before they lift the lids to the box. I opened mine and took an inch of the edge right off! The weight of the lid is holding it in place (and a little super glue should get it right back in working order) but still... I recommend lifting the lid by holding the front side corners only. Hope everyone else is enjoying the music!
October 11, 2015 - 3:09am

#2893

DaveStrang

Joined:
November 9, 2011

JimInMd

Thanks for your words of encouragement. As I read your post I realized there was some Dead synchronicity at play. If you can bear with me I'll explain. From 1982-2007 I dropped the band as far as being fervent and almost obsessive regarding tour dates and goings-on. I still purchased current releases ('Rockin' The Rhein', 'From The Vault 3') once in awhile. In 2007 a non-Deadhead friend asked me, since he regarded me as a Deadhead, what a good studio album would be to purchase. He emphasized 'studio' several times (obviously not a "cosmic-noodle" 2nd set man). He was familiar with 'Truckin', 'Sugar Magnolia', and 'UJB' etc. so I recommended 'Blues For Allah' since I think it encapsulates everything that is the "Grateful Dead": concise songwriting: 'The Music Never Stops', 'Crazy Fingers', the musical, almost jazz-like band growth of 'Help-Slip-Franklin's' as well as the experimental title cut. He took my advice and bought the remastered version. He then burned and sent me a copy. When I listened to it on a Saturday night the following happened: Start of CD/1st beer: "damn I forgot how much I like this album". 3rd song/2nd beer: "damn I forgot how much I love this album". 2nd side/4th beer: "damn I forgot how much I love this band!". I'm telling you this because the experience re-awoke my inner 'Dead-beast'. I started purchasing everything I could find. My very 1st purchase was none other than DP19! I still think the 'Dark Star' is underrated. Your 'Sugaree'/tequila reference couldn't be more true and 'Playing In The Band' is a great way to think of my sister's generosity. I'll be listening to it anew the night before as well as the day of the surgery since it's the same date. The BOX will have to be put aside for awhile. Thanks again.
October 11, 2015 - 1:42am

#2894

Alain

Joined:
June 8, 2007

@ Bert

Bert, I just ripped with iTunes, Apple Lossless format, which is, I believe, the format that music abyss least (but I'm not a specialist). I keep all my music on my computer. I make regular backups to an external drive that remains with me and another drive that I keep out of my house (to prevent loss of my music in case of theft or fire, for example).
October 11, 2015 - 1:40am

#2895

Alain

Joined:
June 8, 2007

@ DaveStrang

Dave, I hope your back operation goes as smoothly as possible, on October 19. For my part, I am still awaiting delivery of 30 Trips. I am very anxious and excited. I sent you a PM.
October 11, 2015 - 1:24am

#2896

drsox

Joined:
June 18, 2015

Backups to Backups

I have 3 sorts of digital music files : 1. I rip the CDs to Apple Lossless (ALAC) and put them on a 2 drive RAID NAS for my Sonos to play. 2. I have a second NAS that I mirror to once a week. 3. I have a copy of the mirror NAS files on a 1TB USB that is in the bank. As I don't add much to my files I'm more worried about loss and failure than about keeping a daily record of changes. With this I'm protected against several sorts of failures : Single drive failure, Computer failure, Software disaster, Immediate user error as well as Fire, Theft etc. The only big problem is an undetected error that gets copied all the way through. If you have a RAID NAS make sure you have a backup.
October 10, 2015 - 11:40pm

#2897

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

bertdert and storing

If you want a "store bought cd quality" you can rip to a wav file on a hard drive, you'd be able to store about 7500 cd's on a 5 TB hard drive, you should also get a 2nd drive for a backup.Two hard drives will cost about 300. You could copy the store bought, onto a another cd, store the original and use the copy for everyday use. The cd's at a nickel a piece would be about 375. I'm a mp3 user, so I rip all my stuff to a hard drive and store the original cd. Everyone seems to have different opinions about format,,, whatever works for you. The only proof of a loving GOD, is the invention of the mp3 :-) For a "ripper" program, I like and have used for years cd-ex. I know it, I trust it. My shit sounds a-ok, in the car, on my motorcycle, in the garage working on cars, kitchen doing dishes, you know leading a life. Would it sound as good, sitting in a quite room, with a great stereo, with great recording and input source, no of course not. How do you live your life? Rip and plan accordingly. AND WHERE'S MY BOX!!! TAKING THAT UPS TRUCK FOREVER TO GET HERE! Enjoy Dennis
October 10, 2015 - 11:37pm

#2898

toddl

Joined:
November 10, 2013

Digital Back-Up

Not saying this is the best way (I'm sure others will have better ideas) but it works for me. I make Apple Lossless copies in ITUNES and then store them in a dropbox account. I do have to pay $100 per year for 1TB of storage. Amazon had a cheaper deal but I didn't think it worked as well. I like the idea of having an external copy of all my expensive sets. I've had hard drives die on me and would not rely on one as my only copy, That seems like an easy way for me and I can download the files onto any computer quickly just by signing into my account. I do wish you could play the files directly from dropbox's cloud but that doesn't seem possible. And you can easily just rotate the ones you want stored at any time on your Apple products.
October 10, 2015 - 11:14pm

#2899

BertDert

Joined:
January 4, 2009

How do you digitize and digitally store your GD

I think I'm in the minority here, but I keep all of my live GD in one gigantic cd case logic book and store the actual boxes. It just works best for me. Anyways, it often occurs to me that I could easily lose my entire collection, therefore I feel it's time to rip these discs and store the music digitally as a backup and as a way to listen when I don't have a cd player handy. So here is my question. How do you do it? I mean I know how to burn a cd, but how do you all find it best to handle ripping and storing a large collection. Do you convert to wav files or flac or what? Do you use external hard drives? What's the best way to access these files for listening. An iPod, Google drive, drop box? Please, everyone chime in. I'd love to make a well informed decision before I start this process. And thanks in advance.
October 10, 2015 - 10:43pm

#2900

chastason

Joined:
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covers, 72 dpi (but large)

http://tinyurl.com/nvr2mq6 From PDF via Photoshop.

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

24 Box Sets Left

I hope there isn't going to be too many people regretting not buying. I want to see the inside of this box, how the CD's are packed and pictures of the book really bad.

O.K....

Gearing up some shows waiting for this box...daves 8, dicks 13, and dicks 32 which are shows all around shows in "Boxzilla"... just passing the time!....

The packaging....

....I believe that the discs will be presented ala DaP with a hard foam laser cut "case" with slots ala a firearm case or something to hold a collection of Toy Story dolls ala Toy Story 2. Or they might be presented with a May '77 setup. Who knows? No Road Trips please!!....

Only 22 boxes left

They have been going fast this week end. Should be sold out tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. I guess we will not see the inside of the box until the postman delivers it in 3 weeks. Can't wait. Rock on

Moses Quasar

Don't skip 7-28-82. A fantastic show, not officially released but great nonetheless. A fantastic TLEO. A top choice for release if you asked me. Funny, I haven't really latched on the other Red Rocks '82 shows yet, but this one has always been a favorite since I've been listening on tapes. Gotta get to those other ones myself just to hear if they capture the magic...

220 left

220 left - the 200 I ordered I've cancelled as didn't think I'd make enough profit back... Just kidding....but I might have a spare (through mis-ordering) taking offers over $1500 in 6 months lol Now where's the goddamn pictures of the inside!!

Jed

Our friend from Tennessee doesn't need me to defend him, BUT I'll say there is a place in that one for Jerry to soar. It's in the instrumental bridge part, where he often starts off with a carnival theme and often ends somewhere I could not have predicted. Not all of them achieve lift off, but many of them do. The repetition of the verse licks can be a little tedious if you're not in the mood for it. But that song would be far from making my list of "wish they never wrote it". That honor would go to LLR for me, at least in terms of songs from early on.

Countdown

17 days until the ELEPHANTINE box ships.

One Man - LLR

I would agree that LLR can often be, um, pedestrian. But, I still remember being in the car as a teenager in 1979 sometime hearing that tune for the first time on a tape when my brother mentioned "doesn't Jerry's playing there sound just like rain pitter pattering deliciously over your mind?" Wish I could remember what tape it was. A Tempe tape, maybe. Anyway, since then I've heard a few versions where they blow the roof off bringing that tune to its end. Now, El Paso - maybe some of those early ones could get creative, but it never did much for any of the shows I was at. I would put it on my list before LLR. Did someone already put Day Job on the list??

11 boxes left now

It is only a few hours now until "Sold Out" gets posted Rock on

10 it's raining looks like rain

One of my fav's. I've ALWAYS thought 4/16/83 was the best one ever done. You want rain on the roof,,, this is the one. https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-16.sbd.miller.28294.sbeok.flacf I had a shit tape for years, was so happy when I found a soundboard by Charlie.

it's raining looks like rain

Only 8 left

Get 'em while their hot!!!!

Down to 5

5 left!!

4

3

2 2 - oops

Back to 3

3 again

2 oh, to have disposable income

i'd grab this sumbitch

Fillmore 1966.07.03

Slight change of subject from the countdown... I have deadbase 50 and have been wasting lots of time with it. I looked up the Fillmore 1966.07.03 show from this box and on Deadbase XI it has a setlist that matches a copy of this show that I have (I only have the first half). The additions to the Setlist on the deadbase 50 section changes "He was a Friend of Mine" to "Just a Hand to Hold." The copy of the show I have looks like only the first disc, so I'm missing the end of the show... however, it does have "he was a friend of mine" although, it almost sounds like it was from a different show... there is dead space at the end of the track and the sound quality of this song doesn't match the rest. Does anyone else have a copy of this show and have the same experience? Also, what is "just a hand to hold..." Never heard it. just killing time waiting for the big box...

Can't wait .. Hurry up

I am thrilled I got my box set , wish my father were still with us to enjoy it, he took me to my 1st dead show at 10. What a long strange trip it's been

gone

Finally. At least now those that can't afford it can lose the temptation. I am relieved

SOLD OUT

Okay let's start shipping!!!!

Hooray!

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel relief that it's finally sold out. I have known since the day it was announced I would not be able to get it and now I can finally stop scheming and dreaming of ways to make it happen. Should I just open up a credit card my wife doesn't know about and get it? Is this worth getting a divorce over? Ha! Congrats to all those that will have this treasure trove coming their way in mere days! Enjoy! I will get the 4 Disc compilation and be happy to have it.

Unbelievable

Already on eBay, COMPLETE box for $1,195.00, FREE shipping, 10 watching per hour, it doesn't take long, does it?

Now that it's sold out...

I'm getting worried that my order accidentally got canceled... Just paranoia...

Accidental Cancellation

Same thing here Dusty.rambler. I went through and double checked my order when there was about 10 left.

Now that it's sold out...

How about a little more info on the box, if we can't get any pictures? Who did the artwork? Are all the CD covers by the same artist? Are they digipacks, sleeves, those DVD sized things from the 1977 box or something new and even more difficult to be put a shelf with the other CDs? Is the box number going to be on the single? What is the "box" constructed with? Does it really contain a scale version of the cardboard cut out that was inducted into the R&R Hall of fame? Does it ship on the 18th or is that the day it is scheduled to arrive?

Artwork for CD cases

I think it would be really cool if the artwork for each show was a reproduction of the poster or flyer for each event. I've done this for my catalog of shows and always think that the artwork of the show helps me feel the vibe for the show better. New original art would be cool, but as this box documents the Dead's journey through time, I think artwork from the time of the show would be cool.

ebay

I wouldn't be surprised to see these (complete sets, not broken up) going upwards of $2000 or even more in second hand markets after they start shipping. An investors wet dream if you are one of "those" types of people, and with lots 'o money. Myself, it's all about the music and my personal enjoyment of listening to it, which to me is priceless with no monetary value. I see investors and salesmen as those with no real emotional attachment to the product. Just the money they can squeeze out of it...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re: Artwork for CD cases

Yes that would be cool to have the actual poster art as part of the cover. The later tours didn't have many show specific posters, but they always had a nice tour poster with contemporary poster artists that were worth grabbing.

re: ebay

I guess having bought one I'm an investor, so with that in mind I hope many people sell individual shows from their boxes, for insane amounts of money.This will make my still complete set a better investment, that pays dividends every time I look at, play with or listen to it's contents. I wonder if it'll fit in my safe deposit box?

Hey Spacebro

Nice Seinfeld drop at the end!

Still sold out

They didn't "have a few more left" this time (like DaP 15). I'm imaging if orders are canceled they will not offer them back for sale until everyone who ordered got one. This would give them spares for damaged products or dropped orders from their site crash when this thing first went up.

wow.

speechless and grateful. faith in the human race restored... email box full, and one amazing friend on the eastern seaboard. it's why my musical life revolves around this band alone.

30 Trips physical is a done deal.....

....looks like Rhino's abacus was calibrated just right.... ....congrats Brian. I thought I saw your finger up in this Internet parking lot....you deserve it....

Cancelled order....

....just checked mine. Says backordered but not cancelled, so I think I'm good. Dead.net has not failed me yet....(crossing fingers and toes. Ouch.)

30 Trips Artwork

That question went unanswered..(at least when I asked it). I'm curious too, it can make the difference between something cool and something really special.

Re: 30 trips artwork

I really like the art work from May 77' and from Spring 90 Too, however those were 5 and 8 shows respectively. The art for this 30 year box will hopefully be more diverse. I think both of the previously mentioned boxes really fit the time... How are they going to capture art from a 30 year span. This mystery makes me giddy just thinking about it, and now that we are so close to delivery, I say DONT give us a preview of the art. I can wait 3 weeks for a surprise!

Comments on this page are no longer accessible from main page

Was on main page and clicked the link to boxset and got everything on this page except the comments - waz up wit dat? Before this page goes away I am interested in a show by show discussion that someone mentioned earlier. Is this something Mary can pass on to the webmasters? I am planning to in sequential order from the start. Now that it's sold out, break out the videos discussing the shows please!!! Dave vs Wild! With special guest appearance by Bear Grylls showing Dave how to ride a whale with just a few of his bumperstickers and a 50th totebag.

Show discussion forum

I brought this up a while ago and saw some interest. Would live to see that here or created elsewhere. I think it would be cool if 30 threads were available at all times so anyone could discuss the show they were listening to. I looked into creating a free forum and it's possible, but I don't have the time right now to invest (planning my wedding). If dead.net can't create this for us, can someone else take the lead here and find the right forum? Steve-something.tv was mentioned. I checked it out and was unimpressed as any topic can be created so it would be hard to find the various threads, but I'll go where the discussion is.

Dusty.rambler

A suggestion to go here: http://www.dead.net/shows-by-yearI'll meet you there. That section of the site is begging for traffic.

Now the BIG ? IS.....

Now that GARGANTUA has finally...SOLD OUT, will TPTB at least think about releasing each show individually, a la, E72 TCR, or is the consensus here on this forum is that's not going to happen? And while I'm at it why not a "sneak" peak at what's inside, inquiring minds (at least mine) would like to know what my $699.98+ TAX gets me.

boblopes...

It seems the message board part is tied to the BOX SET.Because it's sold out, when you click the main page link, it brings you to the USB purchase page. No msg board. So go to store>Music. Click 30 trips box set. here you are.

Shows by year

Thanks Wilfred. This section was recommended a while back, but the page wasn't working. I'd gladly use this space if it is operational!

50th anniversary box set

Now that it's sold out maybe they can start shipping it tomorrow? I can't believe there's still people that don't know what on this...it's 30 shows complete and they're 1 show from each year...they have the show and track list...let's put this way you'll be busy for at least a year listening to the 30 shows on top of the shows you have already...I assume 99% of the people who get Dave's picks got this one too...i'm kind of uneasy about the price but who can say it's cool I can pay 700$ with no problem it won't set me back much...a few lawyers and doctors maybe...but i'll be entertained for at least a year so it's worth it I guess...worth it where I couldn't pass it by either.

yeah

It works, I check it every day. And, I think I'm the one that recommended it. Great reads, and you'll find mvp's everywhere (most valuable posters: e.g. 'hockey john') Good luck with your wedding planning. So glad I eloped!

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