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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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July 31, 2015 - 7:01am

#5641

hbob1995

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Shipping costs

As long as you live in the U.S., and place your order before 9/18, Boxzilla has free shipping. The only unfortunates who have to pay are the Heads outside the U.S. Rock on
July 31, 2015 - 6:37am

#5642

mbarilla

Joined:
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Agree , size and front door

For $50 shipping it should be bigger than Europe 72' Steamer Trunk.. $50 is a lot for shipping!! Spring 90 boxes are a decent size, but I would hope for similar design to Steamer Trunk, in regard to holding the discs. What's up with some updates about this box ? Sirius had some killer 1982 he last few days. Red Rocks and Manor Downs. He's Gone > Truckin from Red Rocks (7.28.82) killer transition at the end of He's Gone and jam out of Truckin is pretty sweet. Call me crazy, but I may like this more than the Scarlet Fire from Manor Downs
July 31, 2015 - 5:10am

#5643

comdata55

Joined:
June 8, 2015

Re: JimInMD

oh it is definitely all about the music in this ginormous box, i just really love the box designs they put out and love seeing all the extras. It's more of a, I know we're not getting this thing for another month and a half coupled with my impatience for it to get here already, lol. on another note, i finally sprung the news of the purchase to the wife over the weekend. she wasn't exactly brimming with joy but she also didn't say cancel the order, so i think that one goes in the win column. As far as the dimensions go, I hope I have to take the front door off the hinges when this thing arrives...or maybe hire a crane to hoist it up so it can be pulled in through the second floor double windows...
July 31, 2015 - 2:48am

#5644

One Man

Joined:
May 17, 2011

Double Blind

Ziffle, try your listening test as a double-blind trial. That is, the person playing the excerpts doesn't know which resolution he is playing, and you don't know which one you are hearing. I'll bet your results are surprising. I did this exact test (using LP clips, as you suggest) at 16/44.1 and 24/96 and was pretty confident I could hear the difference. But - surprise - I was wrong about half the time, which is statistically the same as guessing. Make sure you listen to at least 50 A/B clips. More is better. Use good headphones, studio monitors, whatever you want. I'd be very curious to hear your results.
July 30, 2015 - 9:36pm

#5645

Ziffle

Joined:
July 21, 2015

CD set vs. USB

Dschian makes a good point. If you don't have (or aren't planning to purchase) a top quality playback system, the USB version will probably not provide anything beyond convenience, and might actually sound worse than the CDs. On the other hand, if you do have a fine playback set up (and you know who you are), most assuredly the 96kHz/24 bit USB version will take this set to another level. Try a simple test. Take a nicely mastered LP and record excerpts at different resolutions and word lengths. I have found that every increment up to 96k/24 makes a difference (although 88.2 to 96 at 24 bits is subtle). Some of the soundboards are DAT - 48kHz/16 bits. It is impossible for a 48kHz signal to sound the same downsampled to 44.1 kHz for CD. The original DAT will have more space between the instruments. Whether or not the originally analog recordings sound better is entirely a function of the mastering done. I presume top quality engineering here, in which case it will be much better. The point made about the need for a playback system that will handle a high res signal is well taken. Nonetheless, if I was a young person with a modest stereo, I would buy the USB version for the future. For those happy with a mid-fi system, the CD is likely a better choice.
July 30, 2015 - 9:02pm

#5646

JimInMD

Joined:
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Re: comdata55

I wish we could see the box as well. Its the music inside that's important though. If memory serves, I think they had some significant box design modifications for E72 between the mock pictures on dead.net and the final box. I don't think we knew what it looked like until it showed up on the porch. So there must have been some changes along the way. Since this box has even more discs, I bet there was (is) a logistical battle between size and elegance. It has to fit through the front door after all, right. I hate to speculate, but it could be they don't have a finished product to show us yet. ..or Lemieux got into another scuffle with a surely seal after the last seaside chat and wants the bruises to heal before filming again. Pick your poison.
July 30, 2015 - 8:15pm

#5647

Dschian

Joined:
July 31, 2013

CD box set versus Hi-Res option

I went for the box option. Here's why. While I've noticed that hi-res sources can sound better than cds- and I have about 200 hi-res discs in my collection, so I am definitely a believer- I believe that often much of the improvement comes from the advantage also provided by well-done re-mixes or re-masterings that are frequently done for hi-res releases. For example, the use of the Plangent Process for the HD Tracks Studio Albums package would help to improve the sound over prior releases, so that could help to confound listening differences between those tracks and earlier cd releases for the same albums that people have noted. Even apart from these kinds of changes to the source, improvements tend to be heard more from recordings that were otherwise particularly well-made to begin with. For example, a strong orchestral recording from 2005 or 2015 can sound remarkable on SACD, but I have a highly-regarded Universal (Japanese) SACD release of Regatta de Blanc and because of the limits of the source material, even with remastering the improvements are modest- certainly not a must-have difference. The musical content is awesome, but not the acoustical portrait. Crucially, nearly all of the 30 Trips shows are two-tracks (which tend to simplify the acoustic presentation a bit), and the earlier years obviously have variable and often more limited recording quality. While the Dead's official live releases typically sound great to my ears, that's compared to bootlegs or mp3 streams online. I haven't heard them, but for these reasons, comparing the HD Tracks multi-track studio releases of the Dead, or even Wake Up to Find Out (a multi-track from 1990) to two-tracks from 1969 or 1974 or even 1982 (hell, that one could be from a cassette!) is probably misleading. Maybe if you have an amazing audio system or amazing ears or are listening VERY closely, the difference will be significant, but otherwise, I think one is primarily getting convenience and hardly any sonic improvement from the hi-res set, while losing the book and other physical niceties of the box set. The only possible wild-card audio advantage here would be if in your case you have both a cd player a stand-alone DAC unit and the latter one sounds significantly better than the first. The USB set is a fine choice, but for convenience purposes and not primarily audio differences, I would venture.
July 30, 2015 - 7:17pm

#5648

Life may be sw…

Joined:
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What Jerry Would Really Say About The 50th Merchandise

I'm feeling great about the Band's 50th, loved Santa Clara, excited about the box set and all the other offerings! For those of limited means, check out Archive.org of course where there are tons of free soundboards the band lets stream free. If you have a bit more, get spotify which allows you to stream all Dick's Picks, Road Trips, All Europe 72, plus most studio and other live releases. Earlier in the thread people complained about the Bands money grab. For the cynical Dead Heads who project some nostalgic, Jerry would never allow this nonsense, recall that Jerry sold his artwork on ties for Petes sake! And for those who think the band/Jerry in the good old days wanted to give it All away and not live well, check out this quote from Garcia. Peace to all, and enjoy the celebration and the ever evolving grateful dead derivations! Fuck ‘people’s music’.” laughs Jerry Garcia from a reclining seat in the plush, wood-finished business offices of the band. (The comfortably expansive cluster of rooms are located in a streamlined San Rafael complex.) “I mean, I thought it was a dumb discussion even when it was the big thing awhile back to talk about how music should be free… that music belongs to the people and musicians rip them off. That kind of thing really irks me. “It’s like, in order to get so you can play music you have to sacrifice a lot of what would have been your normal life. You know what I mean? For lack of a better phrase, you have to pay the dues to get so you can play music. It’s not a thing you just do. If that were so, everybody’d be making their own music and there wouldn’t be professional musicians. There’d be no need for them. For someone to deny the fact that you spent a certain amount of your life working on some sort of discipline and learning how to play… that’s the rip-off. That’s the state versus the individual. Anytime someone comes down on artists and claims their work on any level, I think that’s pure bullshit. There’s been too many great musicians who died poor. People’s music… it just ain’t so.”
July 30, 2015 - 5:45pm

#5649

DaveStrang

Joined:
November 9, 2011

@ Clovett / Elvis' 'Can't Help Falling In Love With You'

Quite possibly the most beautiful love song ever written. That's a great "set-list" for your daughters. I'm happy to see folks starting their kids on music when they're so young. I think music for kids is as important as reading. You need to "feed" the ears as well as the eyes. It's not easy to find but I would suggest adding Rickie Lee Jones 'Rainbow Sleeves' to your kids lullaby "set-list". I'm a cantankerous 55 year old, but my eyes still tear up when I hear it. It's absolutely gorgeous. Kudos to you!
July 30, 2015 - 2:41pm

#5650

WharfratWhitey

Joined:
May 19, 2013

Old Man Not Down...

The Rhino deal...yeaaaahhh. This has been a match almost made in heaven if you're a guy like me that enjoys the nicely packaged, historical write ups, photos, top-shelfie Dead. But I offer you a sample from the WharfratWhitey Vault. A fairly well known ditty that goes like this: 'I wish they would do some general non-limited releases like Crimson, Truckin' Up, Ladies & Gentlemen, Fillmore East 1969, etc.' You guys remember this popular ditty of mine. Give me a reason to go to my local record store more than twice per year(RSD, RSDBF). Peace.

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

No

Don't want to preach, but I don't like scalping shows, which is what buying one as an "investment" amounts to.

42 left

Saintstephen, if you input more than the available number of boxes, it defaults to 15. I checked just now and it looks like there are 42 boxes left. It sounds like a decision only you can make, but to me it sounds risky. There are no guarantees.

TOOK THE PLUNGE

GOT THE EXTRA SET - HOWEVER IM NOT GONNA SELL THE WHOLE THING - GONNA OFFER INDIVIDUAL SHOWS TO THOSE GUYS WHO NEED THEM.....$60US PER SHOW PM ME AT MY PRIVATE BOX FOR WHICH SHOWS YOU WANT AND PAYMENT METHODS.....EACH CD SET INCLUDES AIRMAIL FROM AUSTRALIA TO WHEREVER...SAINTSTEPHEN

Investments

I thought I'd be sly and buy Spring 90 TOO as an investment.I didn't open it for weeks, then I did, then I found I really liked the set and wasn't gonna sell it Plus it isn't sold out even now anyway! This box? $700 as an investment? Mmmmmmmmm. Just be prepared to own it a while I guess. Everything has its price. Just look at what the offers are on Winterland 77 box! $600? Bloody crazy!

iNVESTMENTS

Although I only bought ONE copy of each - didnt intend to sell but needed too to fund ops - I made DOUBLE my money on Europe 72 box and THREE times the amount of The Dead 2003 and 2004 tour boxes...this one I think will go super high - but I'd rather make a little bit for now and sell to those wanting individual shows...pm me - especially Aussies as very cheap postage as I'm Sydney based

USB

Spring Vol. 1 and Spring TOO, high res download versions, do not have any fades at all. I do not expect that there will be any fades introduced in the high res USB version of 30 trips either. I was told that the engineers delivered two sets, separately mastered for CD and USB. The USB mastering is unrelated to the HDCD mastering (other than being derived from the same sources). The Road Trips series downloads do have fades where needed to match the CD's. But that makes perfect sense. Those are CD standard files with HDCD encoding, meaning, best audio quality is to burn to CD (for the HDCD playback).

USB

Well said!

PayPal....

....my confirmation email stated paypal was an option....but where is it?

April '82

PLEASE check out April '82! In my opinion, best Jerry vocals since '80. And his playing was ON! Check out 4-12-82 Bird Song. Hot and sweet! 4-12 is THE best Sugaree ever!

36 Left

Should be gone in next day or two.

7-11

Countdown Today is the 7th so that must indicate that 11 days are left until the EPIC box ships, hence the title of this post, 7-11. Also at 7:00 am today I received an e-mail from dead.net reminding me that tomorrow is the FINAL day to make ANY changes to my "30 Trips Around The Sun" order & to also remind me that credit cards will be charged & debit cards will be debited, ship date still appears to be September 18th. ENJOY YOUR LABOR DAY, DEADLAND today is a good day to listen to 9/7/69 a most unusual show but WOW is it a WILD ride. DON'T LABOR,DO LISTEN!!!!!!

I Think 30 Trips Will Sell Out Today

I have a feeling - only 29 left. They've been going fast, and everyone is getting jazzed about it as the day approaches. Plus everyone's getting liquored up cause it's Labor Day. I read SaintStephen1971's post about "investments" and thought wtf, I'll order a 2nd set.

30 years ago today, red rocks 9-7-85

Not to divert attention away from boxzilla, but was anyone there for the red rocks 85" show or run for that matter? Would love to hear a story or two from anyone who was there or at least what it was like touring in those days...I was born too late, but sure wish I could have been there

Red Rocks 1985

Now that was a fantastic time. Third day of that run I watched and listened to the first set from the ridge top a few hundred feet above the venue. Looking west from that ridge one could see the continental divide of the Colorado Rockies. "You gotta have perspective" Cosmic Charlie 7/4/72 Table Mountain (summit), But I digress, so the second set I make my way into the top end of Red Rocks. I guess I can say I made my way in guerrilla stylie. But I did pay to get in the first two days of that run. Fond memories.

@Minas

Interesting question about the multi-tracks, but how would anyone not associated with the Dead or Rhino know which shows in the vault hail from multi-track tape sources? I had no idea all of those shows you listed were multi-track sources. Does it really make that big a difference in the overall sound quality? Would love to hear from Jeffrey Norman. P.S. - only 26 of the 30 Trips box sets to go before sell out!

3~14~1990

Listened in full today. Family gone, volume was 55 (new record). Monster show. Top to bottom, a ten. I love all years, but was wondering after that listen if I like A Bobby "Lovelight" or Pig. I had a nice argument with myself!! Peace. I can't wait for that damn Boxstar.

Single Shows from Box

I'll be selling some of the single shows from my box if anyone is interested. I'm one of those that LOVE all of the stuff the box comes with, but winds up ripping the discs to a HDD anyway. So single shows up for grabs 45 per show. I think that fair. PM me if interested.

@Minas (multitrack sources)

multitrack originals usually identified in the promo material, or in the accompanying liner notes, remember the caveat with all the Dick's Picks, those were stereo sondboards, not multitrack originals. You can also hear the difference as well, better placement of instruments, vocals in a soundstage. Here are more: Ladies & Gentlemen ... (Fillmore 71) Without a Net Dozin' at the Knick Dead Set/Reckoning Terrapin Limited (maybe, my recollection from when it was released originally) So Far (video) All of the 5.1 dts or dolby digital surround videos This was just random looking at my shelf. I'm sure that there are others.

customer service

I recieved an e-mail from customer service the other day notifing me to check my order info to make any changes before 9/8 for the 30 trips box.I quickly called AMY at customer service and changed my billing info to a different card. Today, I got another e-mail saying this is the last day to make any changes to your order and my new information had not been updated. I go to call customer service and they are not open. They say they are open 24/7 except Christmas. Today is not Christmas. Why would they make the last day to make changes to your order on a day they not open!!!!! Very frustrated

Last Day to make changes is tomorrow...

If you need to adjust your payment method, please call 877-DEAD-NET. The deadline to reply is September 8, 2015 at 11:59pm ET. After that your order will be processed as it was submitted.

Multi-track , yes there's more,, but

It doesn't mean they all sound great.

Let the cleanse begin!

Now we are on the home stretch... it's time to cleanse my pallet of all grateful dead for the next couple of weeks. That means no more daily show listening as I have been doing for so many months. I'm trying to listen to music completely different. As recommended by someone here, many times, I am giving Sleep "Dopesmoker" a spin right now. I'm thinking of following it up with Kyuss "Welcome to Sky Valley," Omar Rodriguez-Lopez "Solar Gambling," and Sonic Youth "Murry Street." Can't remember who recommended Dopesmoker, but thank you!! This is wiping the taste of the Dead right off my tounge... PS. I guess sellout tomorrow, not today. Still 25 left and they have been going about 1 per hour.

Call Me Crazy ...

But just to be safe I called my CC company and told them to expect a large charge on Wed.I want to make sure it doesn't look suspicious and get denied. For some reason I am unusually paranoid about this delivery since it looks like it will be sold out. I will feel much better when this is in my hands.

reselling ?

so what do some dead heads think : reselling ? that`s a slap in a deadhead`s face just my 2c

Reselling

I couldn't do it to make money but I have bought used stuff and was happy to get it. There are limits to how much more I will pay for something vs. the original price.

Taking a break....

....there will be a deluge of Dead hitting some mailboxes in a couple weeks. I agree with dusty. Taking a break, and in doing so, I discovered The Specials...wow!!... ....as far as reselling, I'm on the fence....thought about buying another one, but....

Reselling

I have no problem with it, it's just plain good business. And in fact, it's helpful for Deadheads who want more product, because a large percentage of every Limited Edition release is sucked up by resellers. If there was no resale market, there would be fewer units sold by Dead.net / Rhino, and therefore less money to produce future releases. And the beauty is that nobody forces anyone to buy anything on the resale market, it's a matter of choice. I don't understand how it's a slap in the face to DeadHeads. If I'm not diligent about getting something before it sells out on the primary market, that's nobody's fault but my own. But the bottom line is, with no resale market, there would be fewer available at the primary market value.

For those who can't/won't buy the BIG BOX

Why not sell individual sets? As I said earlier, I love all of the stuff the boxes come with, including, and most importantly for me, the booklets and the essays. I rip immediately to my HDD. Why not sell the individual shows to those who won't buy the big box? Seems okay to me.

VGuy72 / PayPal

It says on the order form for 30 Trips: * Please note: Your shopping cart contains one or more items that cannot be paid for with PayPal or V.me by Visa. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. 22 left, selling like hot cakes

Reselling

The other thing is that with resellers, you don't have to spend 750 on the entire box. You can get just the shows you want, and a lot are at a good price. I bought a lot of 10 shows from someone at 29 a show, which is fine with me, because I only wanted 10 shows, and now I don't have to spend over 2x as much on a bunch of shows I don't want.

Reselling?

In a free market you have supply and demand. And emotion. Thats the issue here I think, the raw emotion.To some this is sacred stuff, and their beliefs will guide them with their purchase or resale. And others see an opportunity to profit. At the end of the day, unless its human trafficking or something like that, let the market and the marketeers do their business. some may not like it, out of their ethics, but unless it effects you personally, its just business. Try not to be offended. I will say I won't buy something if I feel its at a jacked up price. I will try to find a way to bargain for a better price. But if I can't, I have to make that decision. As each Head must. And thats all I have to say about that!

Reselling

Well said Floridabubaloo. 20 Left...

Reselling

I don't see reselling these sets as a big deal. It's your money. What I don't get is why anybody in their right mind would commit to breaking up this into individual shows. That does not compute. Especially without knowing exactly how these will be packaged. If it comes in a pop-up book with a page dedicated to each show, or something along those lines, there very well may be some serious sellers remorse expressed around these parts.

Spacebrother

Spooky...I had the same thought this morning on the train. I was thinking how my Moody Blues, John Martyn big deluxe sets have been boxed up and all the Paul McCartney reissues - books are the way to go.....there could be a lot of disappointed guys who bought individual shows then that can't get them...hence the big box will become MORE sought after - glad I went for the 2nd copy.....not to rip people off but I cant afford the first one so buy two on credit card then sell the second to get my first free if that makes sense....

Individual Shows

The guy I bought mine from stated this in his listing, and so, I'm good with it: * Please note - dead.net has not revealed whether or not each show will be packaged in a unique individual case. While they have packaged each show of other box sets in unique cases (such as Europe '72: The Complete Recordings, Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, May 1977, and Winterland June 1977: The Complete Recordings), there is no guarantee this will be the case for 30 Trips Around The Sun. I think it's plausible, however unlikely, that they will be packaged in a book or sleeve with the rest of the 30 shows, and they may not be sealed in plastic wrap; if so, the book or sleeve will not be part of this sale item, and the CDs will be shipped in generic paper sleeves. 17 Left...

Reselling

To be clear, I have no problem with people reselling these shows and that is certainly their right.For me, I am not comfortable making money off of another Deadhead. If I had an extra seat for a show I always just sold it at face value. I do think $30 for these shows is very reasonable and makes sense for those that don't want the full set. I don't feel quite the same about people who double the price. As I said, they have the right but it's not anything I could do.

Re sell

Never could make money off Dead stuff and feel good about it, just my 2 cents. They gave me an outlook, and for that I will always be grateful. The outlook is priceless.

Packaging

I could be wrong, but looking at the shape and size of the box, I tend to think it lends itself more to shows packaged individually than a book of CDs. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Reselling

My thoughts on reselling are the same as my thoughts on other things in life: Would I be happy if others behaved the same way I am? Would the world be a better place if others behaved the same way I am? It works for all facets of life, from selling to buying to talking to people to driving my car. Peace.

uv1, driving my car

There are only 2 types of people on the road, as far as I'm concerned, and I treat them accordingly: Morons (those driving slower than me), and Maniacs (those driving faster than me). Both types well deserve my scorn, insults and rude hand gestures directed at them, just for different reasons.

unofficial (End of Summer)

Well it's 9:54pm here in Philly, the streets are rather desolate here in NE Philly as tomorrow is the start of a new school year, for the 1st time since June 14th, BOTH kids & the wife were in bed by 9pm. Our 9 year old starts 3rd grade & our 5 year starts Kinder Garden. The MRS leaves for Kenya on Thursday, so it's going to be an interesting week around here. I'd like to wish EVERYONE a smooth transition into Fall. Now I'd like to ask this question, on Wednesday just how many orders are NOT going to be able to get processed either thru NSF's or CC problems? I think the number will be ZERO as EVERYONE who really wants 30 Trips will make sure that EVERYTHING will be in order come September 9th. Now I do have a tiny concern we were told on June 2nd that we'll be billed when 30 Trips ships now it appears that the billing will occur a FULL 9 days BEFORE the actual ship date. In the past I would ALWAYS get billed/debited when I had the actual product in hand. In fact with Spring 1990 I, I didn't get debited until the day AFTER UPS delivered. I'm hoping it at least ships late this week or next Monday or Tuesday. All I can say to TPTB is BRING IT ON, WE ARE READY TO ROCK!!!!! As for the secondary market I've purchased 4 shows & am currently bidding on a 5th, I'd like to have just for the car & to have on the shelf so I won't have to keep going to the box set. What I always say about secondary market pricing is whatever one is willing to pay they pay. Have I over paid for certain items ABSOLUTELY however I don't think about it because (1) I really wanted a certain item & I was willing to over pay (2) It was MY ultimate decision to over pay or NOT get the item at all The one thing I hate about myself is to really want something then not get it because I felt the price was to high & then be full of anger because I didn't get it . Just as I look EVERYDAY for The Deadhead's Tapping Adddendum (Compendium Vol.4) I have a price point that I'm willing to pay however if I locate one I more than likely will go OVER that just because I really want one & to ME it would be worth it. Again that's just me, the kids won't go hungry & we won't end up homeless just because I over paid for a certain item I really want. And I really do enjoy the thrill of a hunt & sometimes that hunt can get expensive so I'm willing to pay to end that hunt & start a new hunt. I feel that $699.00 for Winterland '77 is OUTRAGEOUS however if I was looking for one & that's the ONLY one available I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. Just as I wouldn't knock the seller for asking to much money nor the purchaser for paying it, who am I to judge anyone. It's whatever the consumer is willing to pay. So Summer's OVER Fall BEGINS let's start shipping 30 Trips so we have something to listen to as the chill of Fall quickly segues into the cold of Winter. HAPPY MONDAY NIGHT DEADLAND!!!!!

OK

What's the next big box. I'm waiting ha ha

My 2 Cents

I think it's hypocritical, or at a minimum naive to think it's in any way wrong or disingenuous to resell at any price, and you can be sure, the Grateful Dead's practices are much more in line with the economic practices of a CD re-seller than any idealistic philosophy upheld by those who find fault with CD reselling. Would it be nice if we lived in a world where everything was free? Sure, but that's not reality, and the fact of the matter is that nobody is forcing anyone to buy a resold CD set at any price. But really, don't kid yourself into thinking that you're more like the Grateful Dead because you think making a profit is some kind of moral infraction. They're much bigger capitalists than any middle class bloke pawing CDs on eBay. Unless you've moved to a communist state, then you're really either naive or just intellectually dishonest.

Love jerry

Well said.

Resale value

IMO the resale value of this box will increase over time...look at May 77, Europe, Fillmore - wait a year or two and you've tripled your money.....this one will have the greatest resale value as it's the biggest and almost certainly once pandora's box is opened and people see the delights inside then it will prompt a lot more to buy it that didn't jump off to start with. Whenever I buy limited boxes e.g. the Sandy Denny box some years ago limited to 1,000 - I buy two copies - one for myself as I'm a fan and one for investment - typically I re-sell when it's worth twice the amount (I'm on a small income) hence making the purchase for myself almost free.....sometimes I wished I'd waited a lot longer to re-sell but hey...that's how I can afford (and the only way I can afford the boxes I love from the bands I love in the first time) - I can't pay off the credit card debts for purchase 1 until i sell box 2 - merely only cover interest...and there's only so long I want to do that for. Still...one man's mission in the rain is another man's samba in the rain I gues...

Think twice before buying from a scalper, sorry, "reseller"

For anyone that can't buy a set right away and is primarily interested in the music (rather than collecting objects), think twice, think three times before handing money over to a show or box scalper at an inflated price. dead.net is quite clear that the shows will be available as downloads. If they follow the current pattern, it will be a choice of 44.1kHz HDCD files (you can make your own little silver discs) or finer HD files at 96kHz. Whether it is as a set, individually or in groups is a matter of speculation. The pricing for the downloads available now is quite fair, actually a couple of dollars less than the physical product (and no shipping charges, of course!). So for anyone that cannot afford to buy the set right now, take a deep breath and wait a few weeks. Paying more than $9.00/disc is just a rip off. There are many many individuals for whom saving up $700 to buy a set of CDs is quite difficult. It is glib and narrow to make statements along the lines that this has been available for three months and therefore any fan who wants the set has ordered it. Buying sets on credit (the only way dead.net will sell), to scalp them is vulgar, IMO. That something is legal, does not make it moral.

Right on, LoveJerry

Very well stated. Also, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Ziffle

For you my friend ... a discount .... the box for $1600 US on release

If You Plant Ice.....

Well,you folks know the rest.:)

Love Jerry

Glad you got ten shows for $290, wonder how you would feel if you had paid the $600 someone else wants for 10. Again, most posts I've seen have not said that people don't have the right to sell CDs at whatever price the market bears. We do live in America and its capitalistic system. The Dead, Rhino, and anyone else can price things how ever they want and the consumer can decide if it's worth it. I wanted this set but passed on Fare The Well. For me, and it sounds like some others, marking up Dead merchandise to fellow Deadheads is not something we choose to do (I certainly didn't see anyone advocate the music should be free). This is not an indictment against music retailers or individuals who want to make money but a preference for how some fans want to treat each other. Not sure why that would be hypocritical just because we live in the U.S.

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