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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
    KeithFan2112
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Text

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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:28

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Don't want to preach, but I don't like scalping shows, which is what buying one as an "investment" amounts to.
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Submitted by andoverdeadhead on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:33

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Saintstephen, if you input more than the available number of boxes, it defaults to 15. I checked just now and it looks like there are 42 boxes left. It sounds like a decision only you can make, but to me it sounds risky. There are no guarantees.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:45

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GOT THE EXTRA SET - HOWEVER IM NOT GONNA SELL THE WHOLE THING - GONNA OFFER INDIVIDUAL SHOWS TO THOSE GUYS WHO NEED THEM.....$60US PER SHOW PM ME AT MY PRIVATE BOX FOR WHICH SHOWS YOU WANT AND PAYMENT METHODS.....EACH CD SET INCLUDES AIRMAIL FROM AUSTRALIA TO WHEREVER...SAINTSTEPHEN

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:47

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I thought I'd be sly and buy Spring 90 TOO as an investment.I didn't open it for weeks, then I did, then I found I really liked the set and wasn't gonna sell it Plus it isn't sold out even now anyway! This box? $700 as an investment? Mmmmmmmmm. Just be prepared to own it a while I guess. Everything has its price. Just look at what the offers are on Winterland 77 box! $600? Bloody crazy!
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:56

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Although I only bought ONE copy of each - didnt intend to sell but needed too to fund ops - I made DOUBLE my money on Europe 72 box and THREE times the amount of The Dead 2003 and 2004 tour boxes...this one I think will go super high - but I'd rather make a little bit for now and sell to those wanting individual shows...pm me - especially Aussies as very cheap postage as I'm Sydney based
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Submitted by Ziffle on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 19:59

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Spring Vol. 1 and Spring TOO, high res download versions, do not have any fades at all. I do not expect that there will be any fades introduced in the high res USB version of 30 trips either. I was told that the engineers delivered two sets, separately mastered for CD and USB. The USB mastering is unrelated to the HDCD mastering (other than being derived from the same sources). The Road Trips series downloads do have fades where needed to match the CD's. But that makes perfect sense. Those are CD standard files with HDCD encoding, meaning, best audio quality is to burn to CD (for the HDCD playback).
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 20:02

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Well said!
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 20:54

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....my confirmation email stated paypal was an option....but where is it?
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 00:02

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PLEASE check out April '82! In my opinion, best Jerry vocals since '80. And his playing was ON! Check out 4-12-82 Bird Song. Hot and sweet! 4-12 is THE best Sugaree ever!
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Submitted by dantian on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 01:56

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Should be gone in next day or two.
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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 05:28

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Countdown Today is the 7th so that must indicate that 11 days are left until the EPIC box ships, hence the title of this post, 7-11. Also at 7:00 am today I received an e-mail from dead.net reminding me that tomorrow is the FINAL day to make ANY changes to my "30 Trips Around The Sun" order & to also remind me that credit cards will be charged & debit cards will be debited, ship date still appears to be September 18th. ENJOY YOUR LABOR DAY, DEADLAND today is a good day to listen to 9/7/69 a most unusual show but WOW is it a WILD ride. DON'T LABOR,DO LISTEN!!!!!!
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 07:42

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I have a feeling - only 29 left. They've been going fast, and everyone is getting jazzed about it as the day approaches. Plus everyone's getting liquored up cause it's Labor Day. I read SaintStephen1971's post about "investments" and thought wtf, I'll order a 2nd set.
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Submitted by 4evergr8ful on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 08:11

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Not to divert attention away from boxzilla, but was anyone there for the red rocks 85" show or run for that matter? Would love to hear a story or two from anyone who was there or at least what it was like touring in those days...I was born too late, but sure wish I could have been there
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 09:14

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Now that was a fantastic time. Third day of that run I watched and listened to the first set from the ridge top a few hundred feet above the venue. Looking west from that ridge one could see the continental divide of the Colorado Rockies. "You gotta have perspective" Cosmic Charlie 7/4/72 Table Mountain (summit), But I digress, so the second set I make my way into the top end of Red Rocks. I guess I can say I made my way in guerrilla stylie. But I did pay to get in the first two days of that run. Fond memories.
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 09:50

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Interesting question about the multi-tracks, but how would anyone not associated with the Dead or Rhino know which shows in the vault hail from multi-track tape sources? I had no idea all of those shows you listed were multi-track sources. Does it really make that big a difference in the overall sound quality? Would love to hear from Jeffrey Norman. P.S. - only 26 of the 30 Trips box sets to go before sell out!
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 10:23

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Listened in full today. Family gone, volume was 55 (new record). Monster show. Top to bottom, a ten. I love all years, but was wondering after that listen if I like A Bobby "Lovelight" or Pig. I had a nice argument with myself!! Peace. I can't wait for that damn Boxstar.
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Submitted by Bossyman on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 10:37

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I'll be selling some of the single shows from my box if anyone is interested. I'm one of those that LOVE all of the stuff the box comes with, but winds up ripping the discs to a HDD anyway. So single shows up for grabs 45 per show. I think that fair. PM me if interested.
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Submitted by Ziffle on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 11:14

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multitrack originals usually identified in the promo material, or in the accompanying liner notes, remember the caveat with all the Dick's Picks, those were stereo sondboards, not multitrack originals. You can also hear the difference as well, better placement of instruments, vocals in a soundstage. Here are more: Ladies & Gentlemen ... (Fillmore 71) Without a Net Dozin' at the Knick Dead Set/Reckoning Terrapin Limited (maybe, my recollection from when it was released originally) So Far (video) All of the 5.1 dts or dolby digital surround videos This was just random looking at my shelf. I'm sure that there are others.
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Submitted by tysonsupina on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 11:30

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I recieved an e-mail from customer service the other day notifing me to check my order info to make any changes before 9/8 for the 30 trips box.I quickly called AMY at customer service and changed my billing info to a different card. Today, I got another e-mail saying this is the last day to make any changes to your order and my new information had not been updated. I go to call customer service and they are not open. They say they are open 24/7 except Christmas. Today is not Christmas. Why would they make the last day to make changes to your order on a day they not open!!!!! Very frustrated
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Submitted by FennarioXRDS on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 11:36

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If you need to adjust your payment method, please call 877-DEAD-NET. The deadline to reply is September 8, 2015 at 11:59pm ET. After that your order will be processed as it was submitted.
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 11:40

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Now we are on the home stretch... it's time to cleanse my pallet of all grateful dead for the next couple of weeks. That means no more daily show listening as I have been doing for so many months. I'm trying to listen to music completely different. As recommended by someone here, many times, I am giving Sleep "Dopesmoker" a spin right now. I'm thinking of following it up with Kyuss "Welcome to Sky Valley," Omar Rodriguez-Lopez "Solar Gambling," and Sonic Youth "Murry Street." Can't remember who recommended Dopesmoker, but thank you!! This is wiping the taste of the Dead right off my tounge... PS. I guess sellout tomorrow, not today. Still 25 left and they have been going about 1 per hour.
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Submitted by toddl on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 11:50

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But just to be safe I called my CC company and told them to expect a large charge on Wed.I want to make sure it doesn't look suspicious and get denied. For some reason I am unusually paranoid about this delivery since it looks like it will be sold out. I will feel much better when this is in my hands.
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 12:49

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so what do some dead heads think : reselling ? that`s a slap in a deadhead`s face just my 2c
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Submitted by toddl on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:14

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I couldn't do it to make money but I have bought used stuff and was happy to get it. There are limits to how much more I will pay for something vs. the original price.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:32

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....there will be a deluge of Dead hitting some mailboxes in a couple weeks. I agree with dusty. Taking a break, and in doing so, I discovered The Specials...wow!!... ....as far as reselling, I'm on the fence....thought about buying another one, but....
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:44

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I have no problem with it, it's just plain good business. And in fact, it's helpful for Deadheads who want more product, because a large percentage of every Limited Edition release is sucked up by resellers. If there was no resale market, there would be fewer units sold by Dead.net / Rhino, and therefore less money to produce future releases. And the beauty is that nobody forces anyone to buy anything on the resale market, it's a matter of choice. I don't understand how it's a slap in the face to DeadHeads. If I'm not diligent about getting something before it sells out on the primary market, that's nobody's fault but my own. But the bottom line is, with no resale market, there would be fewer available at the primary market value.
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Submitted by Bossyman on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:45

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Why not sell individual sets? As I said earlier, I love all of the stuff the boxes come with, including, and most importantly for me, the booklets and the essays. I rip immediately to my HDD. Why not sell the individual shows to those who won't buy the big box? Seems okay to me.
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:54

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It says on the order form for 30 Trips: * Please note: Your shopping cart contains one or more items that cannot be paid for with PayPal or V.me by Visa. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. 22 left, selling like hot cakes
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:27

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The other thing is that with resellers, you don't have to spend 750 on the entire box. You can get just the shows you want, and a lot are at a good price. I bought a lot of 10 shows from someone at 29 a show, which is fine with me, because I only wanted 10 shows, and now I don't have to spend over 2x as much on a bunch of shows I don't want.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:00

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In a free market you have supply and demand. And emotion. Thats the issue here I think, the raw emotion.To some this is sacred stuff, and their beliefs will guide them with their purchase or resale. And others see an opportunity to profit. At the end of the day, unless its human trafficking or something like that, let the market and the marketeers do their business. some may not like it, out of their ethics, but unless it effects you personally, its just business. Try not to be offended. I will say I won't buy something if I feel its at a jacked up price. I will try to find a way to bargain for a better price. But if I can't, I have to make that decision. As each Head must. And thats all I have to say about that!
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:12

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Well said Floridabubaloo. 20 Left...
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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:48

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I don't see reselling these sets as a big deal. It's your money. What I don't get is why anybody in their right mind would commit to breaking up this into individual shows. That does not compute. Especially without knowing exactly how these will be packaged. If it comes in a pop-up book with a page dedicated to each show, or something along those lines, there very well may be some serious sellers remorse expressed around these parts.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:52

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Spooky...I had the same thought this morning on the train. I was thinking how my Moody Blues, John Martyn big deluxe sets have been boxed up and all the Paul McCartney reissues - books are the way to go.....there could be a lot of disappointed guys who bought individual shows then that can't get them...hence the big box will become MORE sought after - glad I went for the 2nd copy.....not to rip people off but I cant afford the first one so buy two on credit card then sell the second to get my first free if that makes sense....
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:57

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The guy I bought mine from stated this in his listing, and so, I'm good with it: * Please note - dead.net has not revealed whether or not each show will be packaged in a unique individual case. While they have packaged each show of other box sets in unique cases (such as Europe '72: The Complete Recordings, Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, May 1977, and Winterland June 1977: The Complete Recordings), there is no guarantee this will be the case for 30 Trips Around The Sun. I think it's plausible, however unlikely, that they will be packaged in a book or sleeve with the rest of the 30 shows, and they may not be sealed in plastic wrap; if so, the book or sleeve will not be part of this sale item, and the CDs will be shipped in generic paper sleeves. 17 Left...
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Submitted by toddl on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:05

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To be clear, I have no problem with people reselling these shows and that is certainly their right.For me, I am not comfortable making money off of another Deadhead. If I had an extra seat for a show I always just sold it at face value. I do think $30 for these shows is very reasonable and makes sense for those that don't want the full set. I don't feel quite the same about people who double the price. As I said, they have the right but it's not anything I could do.
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:30

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Never could make money off Dead stuff and feel good about it, just my 2 cents. They gave me an outlook, and for that I will always be grateful. The outlook is priceless.
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Submitted by dantian on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:42

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I could be wrong, but looking at the shape and size of the box, I tend to think it lends itself more to shows packaged individually than a book of CDs. Guess we'll see soon enough.
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Submitted by uv1 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:27

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My thoughts on reselling are the same as my thoughts on other things in life: Would I be happy if others behaved the same way I am? Would the world be a better place if others behaved the same way I am? It works for all facets of life, from selling to buying to talking to people to driving my car. Peace.
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Submitted by dantian on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:43

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There are only 2 types of people on the road, as far as I'm concerned, and I treat them accordingly: Morons (those driving slower than me), and Maniacs (those driving faster than me). Both types well deserve my scorn, insults and rude hand gestures directed at them, just for different reasons.
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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:09

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Well it's 9:54pm here in Philly, the streets are rather desolate here in NE Philly as tomorrow is the start of a new school year, for the 1st time since June 14th, BOTH kids & the wife were in bed by 9pm. Our 9 year old starts 3rd grade & our 5 year starts Kinder Garden. The MRS leaves for Kenya on Thursday, so it's going to be an interesting week around here. I'd like to wish EVERYONE a smooth transition into Fall. Now I'd like to ask this question, on Wednesday just how many orders are NOT going to be able to get processed either thru NSF's or CC problems? I think the number will be ZERO as EVERYONE who really wants 30 Trips will make sure that EVERYTHING will be in order come September 9th. Now I do have a tiny concern we were told on June 2nd that we'll be billed when 30 Trips ships now it appears that the billing will occur a FULL 9 days BEFORE the actual ship date. In the past I would ALWAYS get billed/debited when I had the actual product in hand. In fact with Spring 1990 I, I didn't get debited until the day AFTER UPS delivered. I'm hoping it at least ships late this week or next Monday or Tuesday. All I can say to TPTB is BRING IT ON, WE ARE READY TO ROCK!!!!! As for the secondary market I've purchased 4 shows & am currently bidding on a 5th, I'd like to have just for the car & to have on the shelf so I won't have to keep going to the box set. What I always say about secondary market pricing is whatever one is willing to pay they pay. Have I over paid for certain items ABSOLUTELY however I don't think about it because (1) I really wanted a certain item & I was willing to over pay (2) It was MY ultimate decision to over pay or NOT get the item at all The one thing I hate about myself is to really want something then not get it because I felt the price was to high & then be full of anger because I didn't get it . Just as I look EVERYDAY for The Deadhead's Tapping Adddendum (Compendium Vol.4) I have a price point that I'm willing to pay however if I locate one I more than likely will go OVER that just because I really want one & to ME it would be worth it. Again that's just me, the kids won't go hungry & we won't end up homeless just because I over paid for a certain item I really want. And I really do enjoy the thrill of a hunt & sometimes that hunt can get expensive so I'm willing to pay to end that hunt & start a new hunt. I feel that $699.00 for Winterland '77 is OUTRAGEOUS however if I was looking for one & that's the ONLY one available I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. Just as I wouldn't knock the seller for asking to much money nor the purchaser for paying it, who am I to judge anyone. It's whatever the consumer is willing to pay. So Summer's OVER Fall BEGINS let's start shipping 30 Trips so we have something to listen to as the chill of Fall quickly segues into the cold of Winter. HAPPY MONDAY NIGHT DEADLAND!!!!!
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Submitted by snafu on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:50

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What's the next big box. I'm waiting ha ha
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:53

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I think it's hypocritical, or at a minimum naive to think it's in any way wrong or disingenuous to resell at any price, and you can be sure, the Grateful Dead's practices are much more in line with the economic practices of a CD re-seller than any idealistic philosophy upheld by those who find fault with CD reselling. Would it be nice if we lived in a world where everything was free? Sure, but that's not reality, and the fact of the matter is that nobody is forcing anyone to buy a resold CD set at any price. But really, don't kid yourself into thinking that you're more like the Grateful Dead because you think making a profit is some kind of moral infraction. They're much bigger capitalists than any middle class bloke pawing CDs on eBay. Unless you've moved to a communist state, then you're really either naive or just intellectually dishonest.
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:04

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Well said.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:06

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IMO the resale value of this box will increase over time...look at May 77, Europe, Fillmore - wait a year or two and you've tripled your money.....this one will have the greatest resale value as it's the biggest and almost certainly once pandora's box is opened and people see the delights inside then it will prompt a lot more to buy it that didn't jump off to start with. Whenever I buy limited boxes e.g. the Sandy Denny box some years ago limited to 1,000 - I buy two copies - one for myself as I'm a fan and one for investment - typically I re-sell when it's worth twice the amount (I'm on a small income) hence making the purchase for myself almost free.....sometimes I wished I'd waited a lot longer to re-sell but hey...that's how I can afford (and the only way I can afford the boxes I love from the bands I love in the first time) - I can't pay off the credit card debts for purchase 1 until i sell box 2 - merely only cover interest...and there's only so long I want to do that for. Still...one man's mission in the rain is another man's samba in the rain I gues...
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Submitted by Ziffle on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:17

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For anyone that can't buy a set right away and is primarily interested in the music (rather than collecting objects), think twice, think three times before handing money over to a show or box scalper at an inflated price. dead.net is quite clear that the shows will be available as downloads. If they follow the current pattern, it will be a choice of 44.1kHz HDCD files (you can make your own little silver discs) or finer HD files at 96kHz. Whether it is as a set, individually or in groups is a matter of speculation. The pricing for the downloads available now is quite fair, actually a couple of dollars less than the physical product (and no shipping charges, of course!). So for anyone that cannot afford to buy the set right now, take a deep breath and wait a few weeks. Paying more than $9.00/disc is just a rip off. There are many many individuals for whom saving up $700 to buy a set of CDs is quite difficult. It is glib and narrow to make statements along the lines that this has been available for three months and therefore any fan who wants the set has ordered it. Buying sets on credit (the only way dead.net will sell), to scalp them is vulgar, IMO. That something is legal, does not make it moral.
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Submitted by dantian on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:25

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Very well stated. Also, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:22

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For you my friend ... a discount .... the box for $1600 US on release
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Submitted by toddl on Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:50

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Glad you got ten shows for $290, wonder how you would feel if you had paid the $600 someone else wants for 10. Again, most posts I've seen have not said that people don't have the right to sell CDs at whatever price the market bears. We do live in America and its capitalistic system. The Dead, Rhino, and anyone else can price things how ever they want and the consumer can decide if it's worth it. I wanted this set but passed on Fare The Well. For me, and it sounds like some others, marking up Dead merchandise to fellow Deadheads is not something we choose to do (I certainly didn't see anyone advocate the music should be free). This is not an indictment against music retailers or individuals who want to make money but a preference for how some fans want to treat each other. Not sure why that would be hypocritical just because we live in the U.S.
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