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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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November 23, 2015 - 10:03pm

#1001

outpost

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Reply from Dr. Rhino .....

Just received this ....... 'I apologize for the tardiness of this email. I have been advised by Dead.net that an official announcement will be sent out by the end of next week, regarding the ship date of your 30 Trips Around The Sun USB order. I have no further information available at this time. I am very sorry for the delays and thank you for your continued patience. Dr. Rhino'
November 23, 2015 - 9:50pm

#1002

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Top ten first sets?.....

....Augusta '84 may just sneak in there. A rocker from beginning to end. Must Have Been The Roses being the only ballad. Stranger, All Over Now, Cumberland & MNS are all top shelf. What a trifecta to end the set!! Simply wonderful. Jerry was a beacon of light that evening peering through the opiate fog with authority. You go Jer....
November 23, 2015 - 2:49pm

#1003

sfrank115

Joined:
June 17, 2013

DJMac520

I know you are right - but that was the only way I can think of venting. I am really doing a project in class about this very topic, but we are using assumptions rather than facts. Thanks for the admiration :) I'm still truckin!
November 23, 2015 - 2:47pm

#1004

DJMac520

Joined:
June 18, 2009

sfrank115

With all due respect to a very well-thought out list of inquiries, you are never getting those questions answered by Rhino in a million years or with five million people ringing their bell (and keep in mind I am someone who cancelled their order last week, so I am among the great dissatisfied). Some of what you ask goes well beyond what they owe us as customers, it touches on issues that may be proprietary in nature and even if not, may have serious legal ramifications to the parties involved. For example, take the inquiry about a problem with the manufacture of the USB. If Rhino answers you no, that could be an admission against interest in any dispute with the manufacturer as to the manufacturer's liability. Answer "yes" and it could be a breach of confidentiality between those two parties in their agreement. Just aren't getting answers to those questions and frankly, you aren't owed that level of detail either most likely. But man I admire the effort.
November 23, 2015 - 2:04pm

#1005

sfrank115

Joined:
June 17, 2013

USB

I've written and called them a bunch of times, and there is no new information about the chip - just the same rhetoric! I totally feel everyone's frustration. Here is some of the email I wrote to them after asking a few questions about the USB chip, and got another templated 'generic' response...... Hi there Mac (Dr. Rhino), In all honesty, I feel that the email you just sent not only didn't explain anything, but came across as patronizing. I am doing a project for my class about distributing box sets via USB chips, and the Grateful Dead chip is a great model for this project. There have been two other USB chip releases that I can think of which have been extremely successful: The Beatles Apple USB Queen's USB Orb I understand that they were put out by huge record companies with a large budget, but it makes you question why Rhino has had such difficulty with this release. I believe as a 36 year old fan of music that USB music distribution is a great way to acquire music as well as have a tangible product. But since this 30 Trips mishap - I think people's trust in your company has been tarnished. Here are some of my questions: - Did you guys get a test product, and if so, did it work? - Was there a problem with the manufacturing of the USB chip itself? - Did the issue have anything to do with uploading the music? - Was the chip not big enough to hold all the music in 24bit FLAC & MP3 along with the PDF? (I have yet to see a small flash drive with more than 128gb) - Did you get the entire shipment in and realize that it wasn't correct - maybe the ID3 tags weren't correct? - Was the production sent offshore to be produced, and there was a communication error? The reason my teammates in class agreed to do this project with me was because of the lack of communication with customers. I mean, all you have told anybody is there was a 'production issue' and thanked them for their patience. In all honesty, you haven't given anybody a choice but to be patient. You have not offered any refunds - and thinking that a backstage pass from a show in 95 is a sufficient consolation prize for a two month delay on a $700 product is pretty ridiculous. I wanted to take on this project because I care about the Dead community, and want to help so this issue doesn't ever happen again. I mean, in the two months since we were supposed to get our USB chips, a new Dave's Pick has been released, The 2016 Dave's Pick subscription is now available to purchase, and all the Fare Thee Well shows are set to go out. I may not be the only who is dissatisfied with the level of customer service and information, but I am the person who wants to help make a difference so future Deadheads don't experience this frustration, and I'm offering to do it for free! No strings attached. I will get an A on my project with or without working with you guys - but why waste the effort? ______________ I basically got a BS answer - so, instead of emailing the BBS, try contacting these guys below. Maybe, if enough of us raise hell we will get a few more answers. The problem is how they've communicated with us. Dr. Rhino: Dr.Rhino@rhino.com VP for Rhino: ben.trask@rhino.com
November 23, 2015 - 1:29pm

#1006

DJMac520

Joined:
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USB Order

Cancelled. Enough. I already have the physical box set and had bought both thinking that it would be great to have the physical box for a collector's item, but the ease of file transfer from the USB and not having to rip each disc etc. was how I would get the music to my ears most quickly. Well the delay really took away that advantage and the outlay of cash made no sense. While the way this has been handled is a travesty, I will at least give Rhino CS credit for allowing folks to cancel the order and refund the money.
November 23, 2015 - 1:17pm

#1007

outpost

Joined:
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Dr. Rhino and Warner Music Group

Well, I sent emails to both asking for an update on the USB ...... surprise, surprise, I've not had a reply yet. Customer Service my arse ! (that's a UK expression, in case you're wondering !)
November 23, 2015 - 10:48am

#1008

antonjo

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Moses ~ 77

I just popped '77 in for the first time as this morning's drive-to-work soundtrack. LOVING the first set so far, they really come out swinging. Jerry's leads sparkle from the get-go on Minglewood & Deal ~ sweet Deal. They Love Each Other is a perfect version, and Billy does some fun little rolls in the peak bars of Jerry's solo. And I don't think I've heard a finer Looks Like Rain from this era ~ the dynamics from everyone during the finale, including Keith, are just lovely. And the sound quality is immaculate ~ love it when I can hear the cymbal subtleties. Looking forward to the rest of this show, especially if 2nd set is even better...
November 23, 2015 - 7:10am

#1009

Moses Quasar

Joined:
November 20, 2011

O.K....

Just finished with the 77 show. Here are the shows that have blown me away so far: 67,71,72,73 and now this one! Ive questioned Dave twice: the first was Daves 3. I thought that coming on the heels of E72 this show had a similar set list and would have been the same old stuff but upon listening that show rocked! One my favorite Other One's of all time! The second was this show. I thought there might have been a better 77 show for the box(4/23 maybe?) but once again Dave has proved me wrong! Jerry is simply cranking on this! The first set is great, second set even better! Great Scarlet>Fire, probably the best Samson Ive ever heard and the Terrapin is Superb! I like the early versions of Terrapin where it starts right in with a faster beat! The PITB and Wharf Rat are great too! Just a great show all around! More Spring 77 please!!! Im taking my time with this box and I listen to the shows several times before I move on! 78 today! take care folks!!
November 23, 2015 - 7:01am

#1010

mojobrojo

Joined:
November 29, 2013

Thrashing a non-corporeal equine

This crazy USB debacle...... a few of us have had troubles over the years-- all eventually remedied-- with Dead / Rhino Customer Service but most interactions are good. They are also two companies known for putting out a quality product and being pretty Fan-centric and responsive.This is so far out of the norm-- so NOT the way they normally operate-- and that's had me puzzled. And trying to assemble this Puzzle is tough with several critical pieces missing. Then it dawned on me...... "Non-disclosure Agreement". That's the one thing that would explain the uncharacteristic behavior and lack of useful communication between Seller and Buyer. And if there is an "NDA" between Rhino and whoever they unwisely sub-contracted the Lightning Bolt out to, that agreement may well contain a clause that even the existence of an NDA cannot be disclosed to the public-- not an uncommon occurrence. I have no inside information-- I'm just speculating--but at least my suggestion lies within the realm of possibility AND points the finger away from those beleaguered CS Folks who can only tell us what they're allowed to tell us.

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

Latvala willing

Nice touch, rrot.

Psychedlic Reading List

Some suggestions for some interesting reading: The Psychedelic Renaissance, Dr. Ben Sassa; LSD My Problem Child, Albert Hofmann; many articles on EROWID.org.

Genesis...Dylan...etc

Wanted to jump into the Dylan conversation. I came to the Dead partially via Dylan and the late 87 performances so I have him to thank for this in a way. I think there's a little bit to like about all of his albums...even the Christian ones. Street Legal has always been a favorite of mine. Where Are You Tonight should be dusted off for live shows. It could easily go into doomsday mode like Highway 61 did live. The new bootleg volume sounds intriguing, but with boxzilla coming there's no way two of those will fit into the budget. Too bad. I think Blonde on Blonde is right there with BOTT as my favorite. Time Out of Mind belongs in there too. So much good stuff from him since 97. As far as Carpet Crawlers and the mention of the lamb...Peter Gabriel can still pull it off I think. The real question mark is Phil Collins deciding he can drum again for a whole show. I'd travel to see that show though. Too bad nobody seems to be pushing for it anymore. I think a new Gabriel album will come before any kind of classic Genesis reunion. And by the time the cycle for a new album is over...will anyone feel like doing the lamb? I get a Phil Lesh vibe from most of Genesis, no large scale touring. Got the shipping address email...hoping this thing shows up by the middle of October. Haven't streamed a whole lot yet, but I may start again soon. The 73 show is spectacular.

addl reading

In addition to the ones mentioned, I got a kick out of these two: - Brotherhood of Eternal Love: From Flower Power to Hippie Mafia: The Story of the LSD Counterculture - Orange Sunshine: The Brotherhood of Eternal Love and Its Quest to Spread Peace, Love, and Acid to the World Acid dreams was good, but a heady read, the first two are light and informative. I will have to check out the fungal accompaniment.

thanks Charlie3

I got a computer virus 3-4 years ago and lost the bookmark to erowid.org. Never thought about asking anyone here if they knew of it. Thanks Thanks!!! Will be looking but my memory seams to remember they had a pdf. ebook called the Brotherhood of the Universal Church (Brotherhood of Universal Love)or something like that written by a head.

Blonde on Blonde

I was waiting for someone to mention Blonde on Blonde, my favorite Dylan album. I picked up the 3 LP vinyl set from Mofi, mastered at 45rpm, and I really love it. It's always a sign of a special day, usually weekends, when the Mofi Blonde on Blonde comes out. I am also a big fan of Street Legal, but I am confused why it is being mentioned a a gospel album. It is my understanding Slow Train was the first gospel album. Maybe someone more astute could clarify if I am wrong. I am also a huge fan of Time Out of Mind, especially this time of year. It is a wonderful early Fall album. I was really hoping for a Mofi vinyl/SACD remaster of TOOM, but I am not sure that will happen as I am hearing different things about how far Mofi is going into Dylan's catalog. I'd also like to throw Desire and New Morning into the discussion, as I really love the sound of both of those albums.

Addl reading

Those three are on my list of books to check out. I recently finished reading Electric Kool Aid Acid test, which was as good as I remembered, and I then read Hells Angels by Hunter Thompson which was cool because it kind of overlapped with some of the incidents and people in Electric Kool Aid Acid Test. Also looking at getting Lysergic by Krystle Cole - the whole William Leonard Pickard story is pretty mind boggling. Terribly unjust that people are locked up for psychedelic exploration.

Erowid

You are welcome Gary. That site has a ton of great information. I like to look at the PDF library of blotter designs from the DEA. Its like a trip down memory lane.

group mind again

Jim: too funny, I think those are the books I have been trying to find again for several years. The ESP gestalt may need revisiting.

Forgot to mention...

I saw Dylan in '95 at Johnny Mercer Theater in Savannah, and he and his band were excellent. I wish I could say the same for later Dylan shows I've seen, although he had a pretty great band then, as well, including Larry Campbell.

Dylan

Have always thought Dylan was an incredible writer but have never been a huge fan as a performance artist. I guess I am missing out, so I will be buying some of these recommendations. You had better be right! J/K

group mind Charlie3

It is wierd because I have Electric Kool-Aid and Hell's Angels in my queue. Also, what is it called, My Life with Cody, maybe? Kool-Aid will be a revisit from a long time and space ago.

Got the....

Last chance to make address corrections to my 30 Trips order e-mail, in other words 30 Trips will be shipping SOON!!!! You have until October 2nd, 11:59 to make any changes. I'm going to assume that since October 2nd is a Friday TPTB may start shipping Monday, October 5th. I haven't listened to one note or read 1 sentence from the free stream So I SAY BRING IT ON!!!! Countdown to resume tomorrow!!!!! At least we have movement which shows progress. HAPPY WEDNESDAY DEADLAND!!!!

Genesis

If there were ever a reunion, which there won't be with Phil Collins (he says he physically cannot drum anymore and is officially retired), I wouldn't pick the Lamb in its entirety for the set list. I would go with a best of Gabriel era Genesis - Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, and the Lamb. There's really no reason they shouldn't do it without Phil. I wouldn't miss him - throw in Bruford and or Chester Thompson. It still probably wouldn't happen though - if I read between the lines correctly on their most recent documentary with all 5 of them, Hackett HATES Gabriel. And why do it all with Hackett.

Favorite Dylan Albums

In no particular order: Pat Garret & Billy the Kid Street Legal - maybe my favorite Planet Waves John Wesley Harding Time out of Mind Highway 61 Bringing It all Back Home I could name 10 others at least. They're all good and unique. I'm less into the new stuff but I like Love and Theft too.Its amazing the vibe Dylan is able to create throughout an album (any album really), that's so different from his other stuff.

thanks rrot

did not know about Progeny. Man this site is also a great educational tool!

Re: Genesis

Phil's back issues have prevented him from doing anything further. He says he's interested in sitting back and only taking the drummer role. The real culprit in delaying a Genesis reunion is Peter Gabriel. He works notoriously slow and sort of half-assed says he's interested but on his own timeframe and the others can't work like that. Steve Hackett says he'd do it only if Gabriel is involved. There's not neccesarily bad blood between Tony Banks and Gabriel (and Hackett!) but their personalities clash and they have a very difficult time working together. Any true Genesis fan will tell you Tony Banks is the heart and soul of the band and the one most interested in keeping it alive. It's a complicated mess. I've a feeling it will never get sorted out. We have a brilliant back catalog to keep us company at least.

matchewy!

Desire and New Morning are my two personal faves!! They see the most play of all my Dylan albums. As such, Another Self-Portrait (Bootleg Series Volume 10) is a bonafide treasure chest. But I'll echo the praise for Blood On the Tracks & Time Out of Mind. Live At the Gaslight 1962 is another choice vault release. And Basement Tapes, OF COURSE. The only issue I've had post-TOoM is the high percentage of "genre" songs -- traditional folk/country/rockabilly/bluesy structures with Dylan lyrics draped on them -- as opposed to original melodies, a la "You're a Big Girl Now," "Lovesick," etc. But I confess I still haven't heard his last album...and I'll certainly cut him some slack after five decades of iconic songwriting. It's still good music, and amazing he's still as engaged & prolific as he is at age who-knows-what. Of the times I've seen him between 86-07, the Time Out of Mind tour was head & tails above any other--Bob was the lead guitarist all night! (By contrast, he never left the piano stool last time I saw him.) The Dead tour in '87 was pretty heart-cheering stuff, too, however history may assess it.

Bob

In my opinion Bob Dylan is the most important artist from 1960 to today. I would say of all time but I feel that Robert Johnson held the title pre 1960. Now this is a bold statement so I will not leave you without reason. If you google Bob Dylan Newport Folk Festival 1964 you can watch a nice clean cut boy play a very nice clean cut performance of tambourine man. You will notice a man in his mid-50's tapping his foot in the background. This proves that not only did young folks enjoy Bob but so did their parents. Now fast forward one year later and watch Bob's performance at the 1965 NFF. You will see Bob in a leather jacket raging through a stellar performance of Maggie's Farm. Electric guitar in hand singing how he ain't gonna work on that damn farm no more. On this day Bob Dylan changed the face of music forever. He paved the way for everyone to follow and the revolution began. His words are the fabric of our culture. It's no surprise why Jerry loved Bob's music so much. In fact I think anybody who is anybody in music realizes how important Bob is because all the greats play his music.

Re: MilesM - Broad Shoulders

No doubt Bob had broad shoulders and moved everything forward; a powerful figure at a pivotal time. McNally's book On Highway 61: Music, Race and the Evolution of Cultural Freedom shows a great historical perspective better than I can through a post. Its not a quick read, but its a good book and does cover the topics you mention in great detail.

The Stream......

I've really been digging the stream. Playing it at work every day. I hope it stays up after Boxzilla is delivered. What was that line in Ghostbusters about "The Stream"?

update?

Hey Hey I just got an e-mail asking me if my address is OK and that OCT 2nd is the last day to contact them for any correction...so could the mammoth monster of a box set be shipping soon???????????????

"I forgot to mention something very important..."

"Don't cross the streams."

Dylan...the man!

my favorite Dylan albums are Blonde on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks, and Desire. He is the greatest American songwriter, in the world?...IMO anyways!

@ Gary Farseer

Visions of Cody

Country (?) artists

I have always been a big fan, but let's keep in mind that Dickey Betts hated the term. I do include the "Southern" bands in my list: Poco, Marshall Tucker, Charlie Daniels, Commander Cody, Souther Hillman & Furay, ABB, Grinderswitch, Elvin Bishop, The Byrds, Cowboy, The Jayhawks, Flying Burrito Bros., Leftover Salmon, Kingfish, Mudcrutch, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Ozark Mt. Daredevils, Outlaws, Henry Paul, NRPS. And Wilco's first album, A.M. Rock on

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Re: GenesisAs someone who saw the 'Lamb' tour at the Phila., Pa. Civic Center in 1975, I urge, prod, goad anyone interested in this album to see the Genesis tribute band 'the Musical Box'. The performance I saw in Atlantic City, N.J. in 2005 is as close as any of us will get to the real thing. They have the bands' blessing and were given the slide show that plays behind the band as they perform the music. If I get the chance, I would go and see them perform the 'Selling England…' show (I was fortunate enough to see this tour twice) to see how accurate their performance is. I would jump through hoops to see the 'Foxtrot' show since I never saw this tour. Re: Bob Dylan According to Wikipedia, 6 Bob Dylan singles are released in 1965 (Muleskinner you might have more accurate dates?): 1. The Times They Are A-Changin' (3/8/65) (You have received your warning!) 2. Subterranean Homesick Blues (3/8/65)? 3. Maggie's Farm (6/?/65) 4. Like A Rolling Stone (7/20/65) 5. Positively 4th St. (7/29/65) (only available on Greatest Hits - the 1st to do this?) 6. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window? (12/21/65) Common thread? Not one of these singles extoll the virtues of love nor lament the loss of it either. Unless I'm mistaken, Bob Dylan was the first musician/band to get on the radio consistently, while not singing about 'Love'. He wrote his own lyrics, he composed his own music (and yes, he stole liberally from folk and blues, who the hell doesn't?), he was young, he was defiant, and most of all he was confrontational while hiding in plain sight. In one year Bob Dylan single-handedly killed Tin Pan Alley and the Brill Building (sorry Carole King) and popular music would never be the same.

@Saintstephen71

An 'E72 box went onto ebay this morning. It says good condition and there is a picture.425 USD. Check it out. I have my ebay account set up to give me new Dead listings every morning. Rock on

Important Artist

MMiles: I'll go with Bob for 1960 forward, if we have to have just one. And we are talking music. If by Robert Johnson, you mean the man himself, I think you are wrong. If you mean 'Robert Johnson' as a stand-in for dozens of blues musicians who arose in the 1910-1930s from Texas to the Delta to the Carolinas, you have an argument. But for the pre-1960s it loses to: Louis Armstrong. JiminMD--you are right to recommend McNally's book On Highway 61 for historical perspective, and interesting opinion. Another book, that uses Robert Johnson as a way to look at the development of the blues, and its revivial in the '60s, is Escaping the Delta by Elijiah Wald. Finally, Ted Gioia's Delta Blues is informative, though is not the all-inclusive survey it is marketed as. McNally's and Gioia's books are easier reads, Wald's more deeply insightful.

streamin' drums

I really like the streaming format, had some fun clicking through each show and listening just to the drums sections. It's neat to hear the change in sound over the years. I agree on the band 'The Musical Box'. I believe they're touring again with the Selling England and Foxtrot albums. Just to hear 'Supper's Ready' is worth the price of admission. cheers, Mark

hbob1995

You have heard of Cowboy. I am too young, well in my 50's and climbing. But I only heard of Cowboy recently. Documentary - Song of the South - they discuss Cowboy some and the Hour Glass. The guys from Hour Glass mention opening for Grateful Dead at the Filmore (I think). They say the blew the doors off. I am sure they did well. There has been a discussion among heads for years about the Moutain Jam tease Jerry does in 1968 or so? I think I heard it maybe on the 1968 Valentine's Road Trip. The discussion was always that the Allman Brothers got that more solidified jam from Jerry's musings. However, if/when Hour Glass (with Duane and Greg) opened for Grateful Dead, it would make sense that Jerry heard Duane teasing/working out that riff. Discussion? As far as Cowboy, just went and heard them a couple of weeks back. Did not know there story until the following article. Small joint, place packed. I sat outside and listened for a while. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/09/scott_boyer_talks_cow… edit: I cannot remember, I am sure some here do, where the Mountain Jam riff was lifted from???

Dave Strang

I remember you championing the Music Box a few weeks back. If they get in my neck of the woods I will be there! Never thought about Bob being the chief killer of Tin Pan Alley but you are correct. I mean he (and of course the Beatles as a group) launched the singer/songwriter era. Is that correct? Wasn't Neal Diamond the last great Tin Pan Alley writer before he broke out on his own???

wharf rat

Sampling Boxzilla since the stream has been available and I am VERY impressed! About a show a day and mixing up the years and today was 1971. Wow! The whole show is so diverse yet so together. The boys are very tight. That Wharf Rat was too good to be true. Love this band.

thanks boo469

Visions of Cody...have you read, looks like it might be a tough read, small print. Makes my ADHD head hurt...

Morning Sun

Morning Sun you might have me there. Louis Armstrong was a giant indeed. Always been a fan.

The Mountain.

As far as I am aware the Mountain jam has its basis in Donovan Leitch's song "The Mountain". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Simon

I believe that is correct. Thanks Should have known you would know!!!

@Matchewy

I didn't mean to lump Street Legal in with the gospel albums. I was just addressing it alongside them as it was mentioned earlier in the Dylan discussion. I think it's certainly a nice intro to that period. I've always got a gospel feel from some of those songs, a subtle fire and brimstone style preacher delivery and all that.

Neil

I had no idea Neil Diamond wrote at Tin Pan Alley but you are correct. Just read about it. This conversation is getting really interesting.

99 USBs left

There should be about 99 USB versions on this 30 Trips Around the Sun left.

Fungus follow up for Gary

Stay with McKenna..... No one has done more to further the understanding of this interplanetary wisdom teacher called magic mushrooms.... Check out his other works.... Food of the gods and the mushroom growers guide..... Great resource...

Terence McKenna

And yes.... You are right.... He came up with timewave zero theory.... But the events that led up to that down in the amazon on a quest for the philosophers stone is just a flat out wild story.... Must read.....several references to the grateful dead and what they were doing at the time.... 1971-72......

There is a Mountain

Just saw Steve Earle and the Dukes perform this at Lockn,,, it was very nice. Also had the pleasure of hearing Furthur doing the riff in Alligator at Red Rocks. It's a great riff

@GaryFarseer

Actually, Chuck Berry and to a lesser degree Buddy Holly were two of the first to write their own songs, but you wouldn't say they were singer/songwriters. I think Chuck Berry was discounted because he was black even though he wrote some of the greatest rock & roll songs of all time, and we all know what happened to Buddy Holly. And yes, Neil Diamond was one of the last to go out on his own. Even Lou Reed worked for a songwriting house pre-Velvet Underground. While the Beatles wrote their own lyrics and music they still sang about the glory and pitfalls of love. Bob Dylan was the first to write and sing outside of the 'love' box (no jokes guys, that one's way too easy). Imagine being 16 or 18 years old and hearing "You gotta lotta nerve, to say you are my friend" coming out of your transistor radio in 1965. NOBODY had done ANYTHING like that before. Even if you hated it, you stopped to listen because it was unchartered territory. Dylan was the first to show the possibility of a 2 1/2 -3 minute pop song. After 1965 there was no turning back.

dave strang and Dylan comment

You ask to imagine being 16/18 in 65 and hearing dylan. I was only 9, and yeah, Bob had it. Remember the power of the times they are a changin. I remember singing How Many Roads in church. Bob broke thru in ways others didn't. You would hear him on AM stations after Frank Sinatra, before Mr Sandman. Where you never hear the Dead on those type stations. Back when AM was all there was and it played top 40. Are there any stations like that today,, everything is pigeon-holed. Don't know if this Dylan been thrown in yet, but,,,, but his last album Shadows in the Night was great. You need to listen all the way thru and not pick and choose, but what a mood piece.

Posatively 4th Street

That song got a hold of me too, from the first listen. I stopped what I was doing. A powerful song.., I rewound it and listened to it again. I completely agree with that comment. I bet there's not a person on this board that didn't personalize the meaning of that one. Good stuff all.

Gospel

I think Dylan's album Street Legal got lumped in with the gospel ones because it evokes that sense of impending change that soon after erupted into full-blown born-again kook. I don't think any of those songs mentions Jesus explicitly but they sound evangelical somehow. The "Changing of the Guard" was coming. He ended most shows in late 1978 with that song. And yes, do seek out the bootlegs where he sermonizes and only sings the new gospel songs (starting with the Fox Warfield SF shows on 11/1/79). He soon after began to weave in some of the old hits but at first he fancied himself a real fire-and-brimstone preacher. I'm glad he moved on before too long. That act would have grown old fast. Still, it's fascinating to re-visit it.

I'll give it to you

if you have DaP 2 I'll give you a physical copy of DP 1. for a copy of the pick. the case is in need of a new front and disc 1 looks a little rough disc 2 looks good. I can send you a copy of the 2 discs(I bought this set on eBay) so you can can have a clean copy along with the physical. please message me

individual shows and more for sale

guys im selling individual shows from the 30 trips set for those heads wo cant afford or dont want all shows. all shows available except 66 67 69 70 71 72 and 73. shows 55us dollars each inc shipping from oz... email me at gilmourstephen@hotmail.com with requests...first come first served...also taking offers for book the single and the scroll...

keep or cancel

That's foolish to break up the set like that...I don't think you should do it...but do you have the set? when cd-r came out I tried buying an album burning it then selling the original cd but somehow it just didn't feel right I like having the real thing even though in theory there's probably not a difference between the real thing and the burned copy but in the mind there is...I think the set is shipping soon...although not one person mentioned that fact it may be...I was contacted by the dead if my address was correct for this order but no one else mentioned for some reason there's a disucussion on Dylan tonight...far as calling Dylan a kook for the gospel tour then your talking about something you don't understand...outside of anybody I don't recall better written gospel songs written by a songwriter...take any song from slow train and they're either prophetic, genius or just plain great...I won't tell you why but it's not preachy...I think by "Saved" it's getting boring but still those same songs worked a lot better in his live show than on the album...solid rock is close to good as any gospel song I heard outside of amazing grace and songs of that elk....I believe in you and when he returns are chilling!

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